MA & KIDS
Mona Hatfield
concerning the martial arts. My son has expressed
an interest (12 yrs old). I am quite willing to
enroll him in training, but have absolutely no idea
as to which MA would be best suited to him. He
*NEEDS* self-discipline (Gifted/ADD, somewhat). He
*NEEDS* a place within himself that he can find peace
and contentment.
Any ideas, suggestions are appreciated.
Thank you
Mona
RGK...@psuvm.psu.edu
I would like to suggest a couple.
Judo is a great martial art for children because it will teach
them discipline and cordination. The most important aspect of
judo ist that it will develop a hands on training with another
partner. In judo you must practice with another person all the
time, therefore your child will learn how to work and deal with
other people. Judo is also a competitive sport, which always
gives more incentives for children to keep on practicing.I was
four years old when my parents put me judo, and I enjoyed it for
many years.
I am currently a assistant instructor for Aikido, and we have just
enroled a group of younger children. It is the first time I work
with younger children in Aikido, but they seem to enjoy it very
much. Even though I am teaching Aikido I still practice judo and
jiujitsu, and I have practiced karate, tae kon do, and kung fu.
Out of all these arts, I find judo the best for youg children and
Aikido the best for adolecents and adults.
I hope I have been helpfull, let me know if you have any more questions.
Peace, Rick.
Dakin Burdick
teach Taekwondo and I have a kid's class on Saturdays. They love
it, and I haven't seen any problems, but I still tend to think
Judo would be better. Here's why:
1. Established Olympic sport, so plenty of room for advancement.
2. Even if they don't like Judo itself, they could compete in
High School wrestling.
3. It builds strength and has no kicks (I worry that some of these
kids are tearing their knees up, especially the wild ones,
although we've been doing this for 5 years and seen no problems
yet).
4. It teaches falling, which I think is the most important thing
you can get out of the arts. I've had friends wreck their
motorcycles (3 of them did this!), get tossed out 2nd story
windows (1), or just get pushed off the side of the road by a
truck while on a bicycle (this is me). All of these folks
attribute their lack of serious injury to their knowledge
of breakfalls and roll-outs.
Good luck!
david.c.carr
The style is less important than the instructor and the teaching
environment. Take some time to make a list of all the schools
within what you consider to be a reasonable commuting distance.
Make sure you check with YMCAs, YWCAs, park districts, local
colleges and universities, and community centers as well as
commercial schools listed in the yellow pages.
(If you mentioned where you live, you may find folks here on
the net in the neighborhood as well.)
Visit each school. Watch a class or two - a beginners class and an
advanced class if possible. If they won't let you watch,
walk away and don't bother looking back.
The questions you should ask your self go something along the lines of:
- is this the kind of person I want my child learning from
- is this the kind of stuff I want my child to learn
- is this the kind of discipline (or lack thereof) my child needs
and/or would enjoy
Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
and about MA in general. Keep in mind the same questions noted above.
Some other things to watch out for:
- schools that require contracts longer than 3 months.
The odds are against your child staying in the MA and
you don't want to be stuck with paying for lessons he/she isn't taking.
- schools that have "guarenteed" promotions at set intervals
- schools that charge for promotion testing whether or not you pass,
and often with each subsequent promotion costing more
- schools that use "hard" impact (makiwara) training for kids.
Kids shouldn't subject their bones to this kind of training
until their done growing.
Make a note of the schools you had warm fuzzies about,
and take your child to visit them.
Ask that he not choose until he's seen them all,
and compare notes after each visit.
When the two of you settle in on a school - try it out.
If you have additional questions before or after you visit
any or all of the schools in your area, please feel free to ask.
Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
att!ihlpe!dccarr
Joel H. Stave
Others will probably say this also, but the style is not so important
as the instructor. Make sure the instructor is good with kids, and
that the atmosphere in the school is friendly, but not "play time"
Think about the attitude that the instructor will be instilling in
your son. Remember, your son will be learning things that will
allow him to be able to hurt people. While this might be good for
the ego, its bad for the police record. It is (IMO) very important
that the instructor stress that while sparring is fun, fighting
outside the school is a *bad* thing.
Good luck,
Joel Stave
st...@apollo.hp.com
Stephen Chan
> 3. It builds strength and has no kicks (I worry that some of these
> kids are tearing their knees up, especially the wild ones,
> although we've been doing this for 5 years and seen no problems
> yet).
This is interesting. There's a local Judo teacher who is
REALLY good, and his sons have been training in judo since they were
very young.
Both of them have bad knees. An Aikido instructor told me that
taking lots of hard ukemi can damage your knees. There's a lot of
shearing force on the knee of your vertical leg, so I'm inclined to
believe her.
A local jujitsu instructor also has bad knees. But he used to
play college football, so that may be a football induced injury.
Can any of the judoka on the net relate their experiences with
judo and knee problems?
> 4. It teaches falling, which I think is the most important thing
> you can get out of the arts. I've had friends wreck their
> motorcycles (3 of them did this!), get tossed out 2nd story
> windows (1), or just get pushed off the side of the road by a
> truck while on a bicycle (this is me). All of these folks
> attribute their lack of serious injury to their knowledge
> of breakfalls and roll-outs.
Definitely true.
I once foolishly rode down a steep, rutted hill too quickly on
my mountain bike (boy, THOSE WERE THE DAYS!). I ended up going head
over the handlebars - with my feet stuck in the toeclips.
Thanks to a little jujitsu training, I took a painless fall (well,
relatively painless) and managed to guide the bike over and
past me. I think the bike ended up taking more damage than I did
(before you study jujitsu, gravity is your ENEMY, after you
study jujitsu, gravity is your ALLY).
My brother wiped out on his bike last year and ended up with a
broken collarbone. Of course, he was travelling faster, but on level ground.
> Dakin
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David Scheid
sc...@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen Chan) writes:
> This is interesting. There's a local Judo teacher who is
> REALLY good, and his sons have been training in judo since they were
> very young.
> Both of them have bad knees. An Aikido instructor told me that
> taking lots of hard ukemi can damage your knees. There's a lot of
> shearing force on the knee of your vertical leg, so I'm inclined to
> believe her.
> A local jujitsu instructor also has bad knees. But he used to
> play college football, so that may be a football induced injury.
> Can any of the judoka on the net relate their experiences with
> judo and knee problems?
I will give it a stab. :-)
Most of the Judo knee problems do not come from the falling but the
throwing. There are several leg Waza taught for the sport side which
are not done in Jujutsu for the reason that they can cause injury to
both people. Think of almost any leg hook which results in an
entanglement and when the two grapplers fall, one or both may wind up
popping their knee.
Uchi Mata (inside thigh sweep) is another leg Waza which has resulted
in injury to many.
When someone takes a fall, the fall is to be along the side of the body,
not focused on any one point. Some bad falls cause hip or shoulder
injuries. Knee injuries are mostly a result of leg lockups & then falling.
Another problem throw is Tai Otoshi. If Uke's foot gets planted (stuck)
then a hyperextension can sometimes occur as the thrower's knee is just
below the receiver's.
Thus, these things need to practiced til great skill is acquired before
being employed. But alas, that does not bring home trophies.
Dave Scheid - All Disclaimers Apply
Gregory E. Garland
|> This is interesting. There's a local Judo teacher who is
|> REALLY good, and his sons have been training in judo since they were
|> very young.
|> Both of them have bad knees. An Aikido instructor told me that
|> taking lots of hard ukemi can damage your knees. There's a lot of
|> shearing force on the knee of your vertical leg, so I'm inclined to
|> believe her.
Vertical leg? I assume you mean the one that ends up with the knee off
the mat, but the alignment of your foot, lower leg, and knee should
not be any where close to a vertical line. I've never noticed any
shearing action on a proper breakfall.
|> A local jujitsu instructor also has bad knees. But he used to
|> play college football, so that may be a football induced injury.
|> Can any of the judoka on the net relate their experiences with
|> judo and knee problems?
|>
Just like football or wrestling, too much competition style training where
you are _resisting_ the your opponent with all your might will lead to
injuries or pound your body to death over years of training. Obvious
solution is not to engage in that type of training. ( Easy to think of,
hard to do. :-))
--
Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force
MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883,
Melbourne FL 32905. g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com
"Never let the facts interfere with your perception of reality."
Gregory E. Garland
|>
|> Most of the Judo knee problems do not come from the falling but the
|> throwing. There are several leg Waza taught for the sport side which
|> are not done in Jujutsu for the reason that they can cause injury to
|> both people. Think of almost any leg hook which results in an
|> entanglement and when the two grapplers fall, one or both may wind up
|> popping their knee.
No leg techniques should entangle the legs, _if_ taught and done properly.
|>
|> Uchi Mata (inside thigh sweep) is another leg Waza which has resulted
|> in injury to many.
|>
Never seen any problems here, this should be an easy fall; what type of
injuries do you mean?
|>
|> Another problem throw is Tai Otoshi. If Uke's foot gets planted (stuck)
|> then a hyperextension can sometimes occur as the thrower's knee is just
|> below the receiver's.
This is one is usually uke's 'fault'; I always tell new guys to make sure of
their knee and foot position when uke for this one.
joseph toman
>I'll second Rick's suggestion of Judo as a base art for kids. I
>teach Taekwondo and I have a kid's class on Saturdays. They love
>it, and I haven't seen any problems, but I still tend to think
>Judo would be better. Here's why:
>
Third.
These are good reasons,
>1. Established Olympic sport, so plenty of room for advancement.
>2. Even if they don't like Judo itself, they could compete in
> High School wrestling.
>3. It builds strength and has no kicks (I worry that some of these
> kids are tearing their knees up, especially the wild ones,
> although we've been doing this for 5 years and seen no problems
> yet).
This is the best reason,
>4. It teaches falling, which I think is the most important thing
> you can get out of the arts. I've had friends wreck their
> motorcycles (3 of them did this!), get tossed out 2nd story
> windows (1), or just get pushed off the side of the road by a
> truck while on a bicycle (this is me). All of these folks
> attribute their lack of serious injury to their knowledge
> of breakfalls and roll-outs.
>
It's also a hell of a lot of fun.
J. Toman
David Scheid
g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) writes:
> In article <90...@male.EBay.Sun.COM>, sch...@danzan.EBay.Sun.COM (David Scheid) writes:
> |>
> |> Most of the Judo knee problems do not come from the falling but the
> |> throwing. There are several leg Waza taught for the sport side which
> |> are not done in Jujutsu for the reason that they can cause injury to
> |> both people. Think of almost any leg hook which results in an
> |> entanglement and when the two grapplers fall, one or both may wind up
> |> popping their knee.
>
> No leg techniques should entangle the legs, _if_ taught and done properly.
Both outside & inside leg hooks. Outside I believe are illegal in competition
but if one does an inside & it gets reversed...
Problem is in the stand up grappling just prior to the fall as is the case
with most leg hooks, ie. not executed properly.
> |>
> |> Uchi Mata (inside thigh sweep) is another leg Waza which has resulted
> |> in injury to many.
> |>
>
> Never seen any problems here, this should be an easy fall; what type of
> injuries do you mean?
Blown knees. (I haven't seen this injury occur - just know a few people who
suffered from it.) BTW the way we used to do Uchi Mata was shoot the heel to
the ceiling. Now the foot is kicked back as in a Mule Kick by many people.
This change may be a result of the prior injuries. Don't know.
> |> Another problem throw is Tai Otoshi. If Uke's foot gets planted (stuck)
> |> then a hyperextension can sometimes occur as the thrower's knee is just
> |> below the receiver's.
>
> This is one is usually uke's 'fault'; I always tell new guys to make sure of
> their knee and foot position when uke for this one.
I'm not trying to identify fault - just point out that there are several
Nage-te which, if done improperly, can result in serious injury - for either
Tori or Uke & often times both.
As an aside, I've seen as many shoulder and ankle injuries as knee. And some
injuries occur without anyone knowing how. We have a Nikyu who just sprained
his knee & he can't remember how it happened. They were doing things, then
he realized his knee was swollen & weak.
Daniel William Roth
>No leg techniques should entangle the legs, _if_ taught and done properly.
I don't agree. I often enter Uchi Mata by hooking my opponent's leg with
a fake Ouchi-gari and then shifting into Uchi-mata. It's fabulously successful.
Of course I do straighten my leg out at the end of the throw.
Also, many of the gake techniques entangle the legs. If done perfectly I
suppose they shouldn't, but if one wants success with his throw in competition,
he often must settle for less than perfect.
>|> Another problem throw is Tai Otoshi. If Uke's foot gets planted (stuck)
>|> then a hyperextension can sometimes occur as the thrower's knee is just
>|> below the receiver's.
>
>This is one is usually uke's 'fault'; I always tell new guys to make sure of
>their knee and foot position when uke for this one.
An injury I find to be quite common amount judokas are finger injuries and
injuries to the toes, which are often due to twisting on the tatami.
>Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force
Another vote for Judo as one of the best martial arts for kids, and for
all of the good reasons already listed. I studied judo for two years from
the age of 9 to 11, and it gave me a good base for everything else I did
in the martial arts (TaeKwonDo 12 years, Boxing 2 years, Goju 2 years
and now back to judo).
The only problem with judo is that there are so few dojos that teach it.
And usually the clubs that do are open only two or three days a week.
It seems that judo just isn't that popular in the U.S.; everyone wants
to kick ass a la Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or Steven Segal.
Dan
Gerry Santoro - CAC/PSU
g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) says:
>
>In article <od6L50200...@andrew.cmu.edu>, sc...@andrew.cmu.edu (Stephen
>Chan) writes:
>
>Vertical leg? I assume you mean the one that ends up with the knee off
>the mat, but the alignment of your foot, lower leg, and knee should
>not be any where close to a vertical line. I've never noticed any
>shearing action on a proper breakfall.
>
I think you are right -- if it is a 'proper' breakfall. If, however,
the body does not fall as one relaxed-but-strong unit there are a number
of ways to get knee and ankle injuries. As I was learning to breakfall
this would happen to me occasionally and it took a while before the
sore knees and ankles went away. (luckily they *did* go away) (:-)
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Stephen Chan
> the mat, but the alignment of your foot, lower leg, and knee should
> not be any where close to a vertical line. I've never noticed any
> shearing action on a proper breakfall.
Yep, I meant the one with the knee off the mat. And you're
right, it's nowhere near vertical - bad choice of words on my part.
When I first learned ukemi (from Hapkido and Jujitsu
instructors), I was told to have the semi-upright :-) leg come down
hard on the ball of the foot. This gave me a distinct jarring
sensation in the knee, even though it wasn't near 90 degrees to the mat.
Recently, my breakfalls have changed to take more of the
impact on my "flat" leg. This seems to work a lot better for me, I
feel the impact in my muscles instead of my joints.
The most likely explanation is that I merely misunderstood
what my original instructors were telling me.
> Greg Garland - Alive, occupying space, and exerting gravitational force
- Stephen Chan
Gregory E. Garland
|> In article <1991Nov7.2...@mlb.semi.harris.com> g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) writes:
|>
|> >No leg techniques should entangle the legs, _if_ taught and done properly.
|>
|> I don't agree. I often enter Uchi Mata by hooking my opponent's leg with
|> a fake Ouchi-gari and then shifting into Uchi-mata. It's fabulously
|> successful. Of course I do straighten my leg out at the end of the throw.
|>
|> Also, many of the gake techniques entangle the legs. If done perfectly I
|> suppose they shouldn't, but if one wants success with his throw in
|> competition, he often must settle for less than perfect.
|>
your opponents leg, and then push him over. I agree that this will get you
a few more scores in matches, but it's _not_ ouchi gari, and it's tough on
the knees wrap your opponents leg like that. That's an uchi gake, which is
not an "official" part of the Judo curriculum. Even kosoto gake should
only contact the outside/back of uke's leg, and not wrap around to the
inside of the leg. Turning uchi gari's into uchi gake's and osoto gari's
into soto gake's seems to me to be against the principles of Judo, i.e.,
your sacrificing long term mutual welfare and benefit for short term
success.
(better insert an IMHO here, plus a few ;-) :-)'s, people seem to be
rather testy, lately. :-))
--
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MS 62-024, Harris Semiconductor Sector, PO Bx 883,
Ben Goodwin
I agree totally. My instructor is incredible with kids. He takes the
most unruly kids and amazes the parents. He never hits or yells, but
the kids immediately respect him. He gives praise when appropriate
and the kids have fun and learn. He also makes them bring in their
report cards, and actually checks their nails etc.. Pushups result from
inappropriate behavior or bad grades. The kids love him. I think he's
ok too. But from what I've seen, getting a good instructor is mostly
luck. Unless you get specific names and recomendations you are playing
russian roulette!
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Michael Hirsch
In article <1991Nov7.1...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> burd...@copper.ucs.indiana.edu (Dakin Burdick) writes:
>I'll second Rick's suggestion of Judo as a base art for kids.
Me too, but this is plug for Aikido.
[three good resons deleted]
This is the best reason,
>4. It teaches falling, which I think is the most important thing
> you can get out of the arts. I've had friends wreck their
> motorcycles (3 of them did this!), get tossed out 2nd story
> windows (1), or just get pushed off the side of the road by a
> truck while on a bicycle (this is me). All of these folks
> attribute their lack of serious injury to their knowledge
> of breakfalls and roll-outs.
>
It's also a hell of a lot of fun.
J. Toman
I also would recommend Aikido for this reason. Judo is bit more
wrestling oriented, and kids love both.
A big difference is that Aikido is non-competitive and (most) Judo is
competitive sport. Last time I said this I got flamed but I'm going
to say it gain anyway: Sometimes kids (and adults, for that matter)
need to leran how not to compete. I know ta thta ge I wsa way too
hung up on competition which led to ll kinds of anxieties I would
rather have not had.
Some people are very keyed into competition in their lives. If your
child is then maybe they need practice in _not_ competing. Then Aikido
is great cause there are never any contests nor sparring.
Plese don't misunderstand. Some people need to learn that it is okay
and even _fun_ to compete. Aikido won't do that. Judo will.
As always, the instuctor is more important than the style or
association of the dojo.
Tom Swiss (the demolition man)
> you can get out of the arts. I've had friends wreck their
> motorcycles (3 of them did this!), get tossed out 2nd story
> windows (1), or just get pushed off the side of the road by a
> truck while on a bicycle (this is me). All of these folks
> attribute their lack of serious injury to their knowledge
> of breakfalls and roll-outs.
Good point. I took some ju-jitsu as a kid; I haven't been hurt in fall
since, even though I've had some real good, hard falls.
Of course, there are some karate schools that teach falling (the one
I'm in now, for example - we do foot sweeps and even some nifty throws
in some of our combinations (of course, Seido came from Kyokushin, and I've
heard that Mas Oyama studied judo before he studied Kyokushin...))
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AI...@asuacad.bitnet
(david.c.carr) says:
>
>Visit each school. Watch a class or two - a beginners class and an
>advanced class if possible. If they won't let you watch,
>walk away and don't bother looking back.
>The questions you should ask your self go something along the lines of:
>- is this the kind of person I want my child learning from
>- is this the kind of stuff I want my child to learn
>- is this the kind of discipline (or lack thereof) my child needs
> and/or would enjoy
>
>Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
^^^
Gentle reminder: "his or her"
^^^^^^
> (etc. more good advice)
--Roni
david.c.carr
Quite right, Roni. English is a terrible language when trying
avoiding gender assumptions and/or designations, and "his/her"
is often the only option. No excuse on my part - I just got lazy
(mentally as well as physically :-)).
Dave Carr
isshin shorinji ryu okinawa te
ronin, wa bun bushi no michi
"Don't push the river, but don't pull no punches."
Mr. X
>From article <91312.10...@ASUACAD.BITNET>, by AI...@ASUACAD.BITNET:
>> In article <1991Nov7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com
>> (david.c.carr) says:
>>
>>>Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
>> ^^^
>> Gentle reminder: "his or her"
>> ^^^^^^
>
>Quite right, Roni. English is a terrible language when trying
>avoiding gender assumptions and/or designations, and "his/her"
>is often the only option. No excuse on my part - I just got lazy
>(mentally as well as physically :-)).
>
'their' is a good gender neutral term.
-X
Steve Gombosi
Only for plurals...I rather like Norman Cousin's proposal for a new personal
pronoun of indeterminate or insignificant gender (he made this back in the
'60s): ne/ner/nim (as in Not He/She, Not her, and Not Him). Of course,
we could always extend the "womyn" paradigm and spell he, his, and him with
a "y": hy, hys, and hym. This would also serve to obscure the sexist origins
of the term "hysteria", now wouldn't it? If we keep this up, we can completely
destroy the entire field of etymology! What a boon for all Mynkind!!!!!
;-) ;-) ;-)
>
> -X
Shouldn't that be "X/Y" ?
Ken Gee
I personally disagree that Aikido is a good art for young children
to learn. I've practiced Aikido for almost 15 years and I love the art, but
I think that many of the techniques are too dangerous for young joints.
Adults must exercise care when applying these techniques, and children are
not always focused enough to be that careful.
I would start a child in Judo or Karate and maybe try Aikido at
age 13 or 14. I don't think anything beats Judo for learning falls and
groundwork. Contact Karate with the proper gear is not particularly danger-
ous because the kids can't generate the power to do much damage.
Ken
Barry Kitson
In case anyone out there can't work it out, the first bit of this post
is only semi-serious. (Spot the smiley...:^)
For the serious MA bit you'll need some patience or to exercise
some speed reading...
In article <1991Nov11.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com (david.c.carr) writes:
|> From article <91312.10...@ASUACAD.BITNET>, by AI...@ASUACAD.BITNET:
|> > In article <1991Nov7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com
|> > (david.c.carr) says:
|> >
|> >>Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
|> > ^^^
|> > Gentle reminder: "his or her"
|> > ^^^^^^
|>
|> Quite right, Roni. English is a terrible language when trying
|> avoiding gender assumptions and/or designations, and "his/her"
|> is often the only option.
Not really IMHO. I seem to recall that the generic form of
singular third person possessive is ``his''. Of course, there are
people who will attach assumptions of gender to this usage, but
perhaps they should try to be less sexist :^)
Now that I have your attention...
Does anyone know of some good (read fun), unusual exercises
to give a TKD class. I just want something different from the regular
pushups, situps, ..... stationary kicks, multiple kicks, punches....
etc so as to help maintain some interest. These could be fitness,
balance, coordination or technique exercises, (even something like
the belt assisted [impared?] wrestling job that someone recently claims
to have almost killed [him|her]self with recently) that you think are
new and different or unusually exciting (or is that another news.group?).
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Barry.
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Daniel William Roth
>Hi all,
> Not really IMHO. I seem to recall that the generic form of
>singular third person possessive is ``his''. Of course, there are
>people who will attach assumptions of gender to this usage, but
>perhaps they should try to be less sexist :^)
I agree 100%. I think that writing he/she, his or her, and other
similar things does not only clutter up writing, but draws more
attention to the sexism of the language. Maybe that's what some
folks want to do, though.
> Does anyone know of some good (read fun), unusual exercises
>to give a TKD class. I just want something different from the regular
>pushups, situps, ..... stationary kicks, multiple kicks, punches....
>etc so as to help maintain some interest. These could be fitness,
>balance, coordination or technique exercises, (even something like
>the belt assisted [impared?] wrestling job that someone recently claims
>to have almost killed [him|her]self with recently) that you think are
>new and different or unusually exciting (or is that another news.group?).
>
> Any ideas?
When I was teaching TaeKwonDo, I had a lot of games for my children's
class. Some of the games the adults enjoyed also.
One game that everybody enjoyed was what I called "Pop the balloon."
For "Pop the balloon," two players must wear chest protectors. The
referee (usually the instructor) attaches a balloon to the chest
protector of each player. The players must then keep their hands
behind their backs and try to pop the other's balloon with a kick.
You need small balloons to do this, and the balloons must be inflated
to their maximum capacity. Attaching the balloons to the chest protectors
may require a little ingenuity, but it shouldn't be that hard to do. If
you can't come up with a satisfactory method, e-mail me and I'll let you
know how I did it.
The only problem I had with this game was that a few students would turn
their backs and run to avoid getting their balloons popped. To avoid this
I taped off a square ring and gave a penalty point each time a student went
outside the ring or turned his back. Three penalties and the other person
got a free kick at the penalized student's balloon.
Also, some children don't have the power in their kicks to pop the balloons
unless the balloons are absolutely filled to maximum capacity. With adults
I didn't have this problem.
I've invented other games and modified recreational games to fit martial
arts training purposes. If I get the time, I'll e-mail some of them to
you. That is if you're interested and you send me your e-mail address.
I'd also be interested in hearing of anybody else's training games and/or
original exercises.
Stephen Northcutt
Great!
> have absolutely no idea as to which MA would be best suited to him.
Any good school vis a cash intake system :-) Reply back to me via e-mail
and I will try to help you, but right off the bat I can recommend without
reservation Neil Erlich`s school in Alexandria and Gentle East near
college park MD. It would really help to know where you live.
>*NEEDS* self-discipline (Gifted/ADD, somewhat). He
>*NEEDS* a place within himself that he can find peace
>and contentment.
These comments are why I chose to respond via post vis direct e-mail.
I teach a couple kids who are gifted and ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder).
I also have a classic dislexic who has NOT been picked up in public school
screening (yet).
As I posted before we have started a "special" class at my school
and are trying to evolve to be able to provide full support services
for special kids.
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Michael Hirsch
I always liked the idea of combining the words "she, he, and it" into a word
of one syllable. Whaddaya think?
--Michael
Pauli
>Turning uchi gari's into uchi gake's and osoto gari's
>into soto gake's seems to me to be against the principles of Judo, i.e.,
>your sacrificing long term mutual welfare and benefit for short term
>success.
Hmmm, an interesting idea....
Is there a place for o-soto gakes and o-uchi gakes in Judo? They work in
contest and as lot of people have said here recently Judo is really a sport ;-}
[ which I don't agree with but nobody ever listens to what I say ]
Why are you sacrificing long term welfare? Properly done these throws do not
pose any more risk that several other 'offical' throws. Badly done these throw
are quite dangerous but then again lots of throws are dangerous when badly
done. A yoko-otoshi (twice) and an ura-nage have both popped my shoulders, a
tai-otoshi broke my arm! And I knew how to breakfall at the time. The tai
otoshi was mostly my fault but the others were my partner's. My point is
really that ANY throw can be dangerous if not done correctly.
>(better insert an IMHO here, plus a few ;-) :-)'s, people seem to be
>rather testy, lately. :-))
Nah, better to leave that crap out and suffer the flames like a true Greenoch
master would (they answer to nobody ;-).
Pauli
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re...@ttidca.TTI.COM (Reid Kneeland) writes:
& Ob. M.A.: Do aikidokas slap mosquitoes, or do they brush them off
& with a smooth circular motion?
&
& Of course, a Greenoch master can, through sheer force of will,
& raise hizzerher blood pressure so high that the mosquito explodes.
& It's really amazing to watch.
&
& I shudder to think what practitioners of Praying Mantis do with them...
T'ai chi players yield as the mosquito lands, causing
it to stumble and fall.
--
Brad & Janet safety clown says
Reid Kneeland
>...I rather like Norman Cousin's proposal for a new personal
>pronoun of indeterminate or insignificant gender (he made this back in the
>'60s): ne/ner/nim (as in Not He/She, Not her, and Not Him). Of course,
Someone once suggested abbreviating she/he/it in the obvious manner.
Elsewhere...
The thing about malaria that makes it transmissible by mosquitoes
is that malaria infects the salivary glands of the insect, which
almost no other disease (including AIDS) does. (The first thing a
mosquito does when it bites you is inject its anti-coagulant
saliva - that's what itches). Think about it- if it were really so
easy for mosquitoes to transmit diseases, then mosquito-infested
areas would have outbreaks of hepatitis and other blood-borne
diseases every summer. This doesn't happen. Relax, folks.
Ob. M.A.: Do aikidokas slap mosquitoes, or do they brush them off
with a smooth circular motion?
Of course, a Greenoch master can, through sheer force of will,
raise hizzerher blood pressure so high that the mosquito explodes.
It's really amazing to watch.
I shudder to think what practitioners of Praying Mantis do with them...
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Pauli
> A mosquito would never even be able to land on a true
>Greenoch Master! Greenoch masters wear "Skin So Soft" from Avon,
>which is an incredible insect repellant.
> Now that's a TRUE SECRET of GREENOCH which I've just revealed.
>Isn't Greenoch incredible? With a single lotion, Greenoch masters can have
>tender skin and also be free of mosquitoes!
Greenoch masters have many different ways of dealing with mosquito. There is
the fabled back thumb strike of death which is a very fast and humane way of
dealing with the problem. The lightning double thumb crunch which is really
impressive and leaves a nice splatter pattern. Then there are the midair
intercept techniques that are equally useful against small flying insects,
bullets or even rain drops (and you wondered why Greenoch masters never get
wet). These are only the easiest of the techniques available. No Greenoch
master of any merit would use a chemical addative to achieve mastery of nature,
they would quickly become a laughing stock amongst the elite.
Pauli
>In article <1991Nov7.2...@mlb.semi.harris.com> g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) writes:
>>No leg techniques should entangle the legs, _if_ taught and done properly.
>I don't agree. I often enter Uchi Mata by hooking my opponent's leg with
>a fake Ouchi-gari and then shifting into Uchi-mata. It's fabulously successful.
>Of course I do straighten my leg out at the end of the throw.
I don't agree either. Uchi Mata as described involves a leg hook. A Harai
Goshi from an O Soto Gari also involves some hooking of the leg (depending upon
how much turn is involved). I'm sure I could come up with some others if
I thought hard enough.
>Also, many of the gake techniques entangle the legs. If done perfectly I
>suppose they shouldn't, but if one wants success with his throw in competition,
>he often must settle for less than perfect.
I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that gakes entangle legs. A gake
is a hook, there isn't any need to entangle. I'll try to quickly describe the
major gake's I use (or two of them anyway). Both of these techniques are very
useable in contest they are much less usefull as a demo for a grading or such
like.
Ko-Soto-Gake: I usually do this as a counter to tai-otoshi (contest) or as
a followup to sasae-tsuri-komi-ashi. As a counter: step over a right
handed tai-otoshi with your right foot. Move your weight to your right
foot (this is really easy since uki is trying to throw you that way).
With you left foot, hook out uki's right foot with a reap directly
backwards (reap with a bent left leg) and if necessary turn the reap
a little to your left (how flexibile are your hips turning into
themselves??) This should cause uki to attempt the splits whereupon
you push them backwards. This throw requires no force in either the
sweep/hook or the push down, if you find you need some force you are
not doing it correctly.
O-Soto-Gake: This is a special throw (of mine) that sounds really dangerous.
From a standard grip, turn your hips side on and place your right foot
onto the side of uki's right knee at or maybe slightly below the joint
--- note you do not step in to any marked degree with your left leg.
Now, pull back with your right foot (forcing uki's knee to buckle
inwards :-) and turn your hands like you would rotate a steering wheel.
Uki should now fall over quite effectively. I know this sounds
horrible, but it works (even in contest) it is quite fast and I've
never caused an injury with it (or even seen an injury caused by it ---
the knee folds quite nicely every time. Every time the throw hasn't
worked I haven't been in a position to do any damage). You might want
to be a little behind uki's knee with your right ankle when you attempt
the throw, as this helps the throwing action. The direction of the
throw is to the back and side.
This isn't the normal way to do this throw, but I think it would be
classified as o-soto-gake.
I also don't really see O-uchi-gaki entangling (bend the sweeping leg and lift
it a little during the reap which becomes a straight reap not a circular reap).
Ko-uchi-gaki has potential for entangling but I would tend to re-name the throw
(when entangled) to ko-uchi-maki-komi(?) Gakes are hooks, hooks shouldn't
entangle. I cannot think of a gake style throw where the reap is done with
other than the lower calf of foot [ ko-soto: central to lower calf, o-soto:
ditto or lower, o-uchi: also lower calf to (maybe) ankle, yoko: foot (How many
other people hate breakfalling from that one?) ].
And finally a question to ponder: Are gake's the lazy person's gari?
Stephen Chan
> Of course, a Greenoch master can, through sheer force of will,
> raise hizzerher blood pressure so high that the mosquito explodes.
> It's really amazing to watch.
A mosquito would never even be able to land on a true
Greenoch Master! Greenoch masters wear "Skin So Soft" from Avon,
which is an incredible insect repellant.
Now that's a TRUE SECRET of GREENOCH which I've just revealed.
Isn't Greenoch incredible? With a single lotion, Greenoch masters can have
tender skin and also be free of mosquitoes!
- Stephen Chan
David Scheid
gr...@cs.uq.oz.au (Pauli) writes:
> I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that gakes entangle legs. A gake
> is a hook, there isn't any need to entangle.
> classified as o-soto-gake.
This is a variation to Hiza Garuma. Gake is always a hook.
> I also don't really see O-uchi-gaki entangling (bend the sweeping leg and lift
> it a little during the reap which becomes a straight reap not a circular reap).
Inside "Hook" is a K(g)arami or entanglement. Reap is a Gari. Difference between
O Uchigari & O Uchigake.
> Gakes are hooks, hooks shouldn't entangle.
Sure they do.
> I cannot think of a gake style throw where the reap is done with
> other than the lower calf of foot...
Uchi Gake is an entanglement - a cross shin bar with the ankle hooking Uke's
ankle.
> And finally a question to ponder: Are gake's the lazy person's gari?
No, they are different things altogether. Uchi Gake is not Uchi Gari.
Soto Gake is not Soto Gari.
I think if we go back to the 1st comment where Paul isn't certain as to whether
Gake & entanglements go together, then go to the last sentence to O Soto Gake
we can see where the misunderstanding comes from.
David Scheid
gt1...@prism.gatech.EDU (Brad & Janet) writes:
> T'ai chi players yield as the mosquito lands, causing
> it to stumble and fall.
Cute! Lots of :-)
Joseph Talmadge
>
>Hi all,
>
> In case anyone out there can't work it out, the first bit of this post
>is only semi-serious. (Spot the smiley...:^)
>
> For the serious MA bit you'll need some patience or to exercise
>some speed reading...
>
>In article <1991Nov11.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com (david.c.carr) writes:
>|> From article <91312.10...@ASUACAD.BITNET>, by AI...@ASUACAD.BITNET:
>|> > In article <1991Nov7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com
>|> > (david.c.carr) says:
>|> >
>|> >>Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
>|> > ^^^
>|> > Gentle reminder: "his or her"
>|> > ^^^^^^
>|>
>|> Quite right, Roni. English is a terrible language when trying
>|> avoiding gender assumptions and/or designations, and "his/her"
>|> is often the only option.
>
>singular third person possessive is ``his''. Of course, there are
>people who will attach assumptions of gender to this usage, but
>perhaps they should try to be less sexist :^)
The main reason not to use "his or her" or "his/her" is that it's
distracting to the reader, and looks a bit stupid.
I use "his" as a generic term, but if I think my audience is anal enough
to care about this, I'll either alternate between "his" and "her",
or arrange my topic so that I can use "their".
Gregory E. Garland
|> In <1991Nov8.0...@mlb.semi.harris.com> g...@beep.mis.semi.harris.com (Gregory E. Garland) writes:
|>
|> >Turning uchi gari's into uchi gake's and osoto gari's
|> >into soto gake's seems to me to be against the principles of Judo, i.e.,
|> >your sacrificing long term mutual welfare and benefit for short term
|> >success.
|>
|> Hmmm, an interesting idea....
|> Is there a place for o-soto gakes and o-uchi gakes in Judo? They work in
|> contest and as lot of people have said here recently Judo is really a sport ;-}
|> [ which I don't agree with but nobody ever listens to what I say ]
|>
|> Why are you sacrificing long term welfare? Properly done these throws do not
|> pose any more risk that several other 'offical' throws. Badly done these throw
|> are quite dangerous but then again lots of throws are dangerous when badly
|> done.
I don't like the soto and uchi gake's because I feel like they are much more
dangerous for the knees, both in terms of long term wear and tear and the
immediate chances of injury if your opponent is able to fight the throw.
I see the ouchi gake, e.g., as contacting the uke's inner thigh with tori's
outer thigh and uke's outside knee or calf with tori's inside calf. You're
putting a lot of torsion on your knee by doing this, and you've trapped
and entangled his leg by putting pressure on opposite sides of it. If he
gets a chance to try ouchi gaeshi from there, you could have real trouble
getting your leg out. An ouchi gari on the other hand, I see all most all
the contact and pressure for tori being on the back of his thigh ( and maybe
a little on the back of the calf ), no twisting on the knee joint. You're
also only contacting uke on about one quarter to one third of the way
around his leg, there much less chance of getting tangled up if he blocks
you.
These opinions are, of course, worth what you paid for them. :-)
|> >(better insert an IMHO here, plus a few ;-) :-)'s, people seem to be
|> >rather testy, lately. :-))
|>
|> Nah, better to leave that crap out and suffer the flames like a true Greenoch
|> master would (they answer to nobody ;-).
|>
There were rumors of a Greenoch school around here masquerading as a TKD
school. But when I tried to join, telling them I had some experience in
Judo, they wouldn't let me because they said Judo doesn't exist. :-(
S Burr
[Loads of stuff deleted]
> Does anyone know of some good (read fun), unusual exercises
>to give a TKD class. I just want something different from the regular
>pushups, situps, ..... stationary kicks, multiple kicks, punches....
>etc so as to help maintain some interest. These could be fitness,
>balance, coordination or technique exercises, (even something like
>the belt assisted [impared?] wrestling job that someone recently claims
>to have almost killed [him|her]self with recently) that you think are
>new and different or unusually exciting (or is that another news.group?).
A nice one we use in my club is to get people to tie their belts
arround their feet, and get them to stand at two, opposite, walls.
Then pick one person to be inbetween the two walls. Everybody else
goes (ie hops) from one wall to the other. The person in the middle
has to get the rest of the people down to their knees however they
want to. When a person is brought to their knees, they to are in the
middle. This continues until only one person is left standing. That
person is the winner.
I believe that this game is good for balance and strengthing the legs
(I think, any way :-) ).
Simon
Mary Malmros
sno...@relay.nswc.navy.mil (Stephen Northcutt) writes:
>> My son has expressed an interest [in MA] (12 yrs old).
>Great!
>
>> have absolutely no idea as to which MA would be best suited to him.
>Any good school vis a cash intake system :-) Reply back to me via e-mail
>and I will try to help you, but right off the bat I can recommend without
>reservation Neil Erlich`s school in Alexandria and Gentle East near
>college park MD. It would really help to know where you live.
I replied to the original post via email, but I thought somehow that
Stephen would have something to say about Gentle East. I have also
heard a lot of good things about this school, from Stephen and others --
people whose opinions I respect. I'd say it's worth looking into.
I'd second what others have said about selecting a school. I'd also
add, if no one else has already said this, that you should talk to
the instructor about what you want your child to get out of martial
arts, and make sure they understand and agree with it.
Mona, if you didn't get my mail, email me and I'll resend it.
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Louis Marco
>Uchi Mata as described involves a leg hook. A Harai Goshi from an O Soto
>Gari also involves some hooking of the leg (depending upon
Uchi Mata is a _sweep_ not a _hook_. If you hook in uchi mata
you're losing too much of your advantage, whether you're doing
goshi-uchi-mata or ashi-uchi-mata. Same for O-soto. Yeah, you can get
sloppy and hook his leg - at least with O-soto - and get acceptable
results but it's cleaner and more elegant AND more...aerial...if you
keep your leg straight and your toes pointed.
>O-Soto-Gake: This is a special throw (of mine) that sounds really dangerous.
> From a standard grip, turn your hips side on and place your right foot
> onto the side of uki's right knee at or maybe slightly below the joint
> --- note you do not step in to any marked degree with your left leg.
> Now, pull back with your right foot (forcing uki's knee to buckle
> inwards :-) and turn your hands like you would rotate a steering wheel.
Sounds like a knee wheel. I'm convinced that to make that one
work you need to be taller than your opponent so that you get a significant
upward component in your unbalancing effort, or else have 52 inch shoulders
and triceps like Mighty Joe Young. What you described as O-soto Gari -
hooking the leg and bending the guy over that fulcrum - sounds more like
O-soto-gake than this technique does.
>And finally a question to ponder: Are gake's the lazy person's gari?
I think they serve two very different purposes. For instance,
if I can get his weight on his left leg I can apply ko-uchi-gari to
his right. I unbalance him *away* from the direction of the finish,
then when I have the right leg I pull his weight down onto the
now-nonexistent-support, i.e., I pull him down over where his right leg
*was*. For ko-uchi-gake I pull hard on the arm that's on the same side as
the leg I'm attacking, get my leg behind it to block him from stepping
back, and then drive him over this fulcrum. So, I use -gari when his weight
is off the leg I'm after and -gake when it isn't...
Pauli
>In article <51...@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> gr...@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
>>Uchi Mata as described involves a leg hook. A Harai Goshi from an O Soto
>>Gari also involves some hooking of the leg (depending upon
> Uchi Mata is a _sweep_ not a _hook_. If you hook in uchi mata
>you're losing too much of your advantage, whether you're doing
>goshi-uchi-mata or ashi-uchi-mata.
Gee, I managed to get myself thrown last night in a hooking/entangling
uchi-mata. The fact that it was not a sweep caught me by suprise. I'll agree
that usually sweeping is much better. Given the quality of my uchi mata, I
doubt I should comment about the throw ;-)
>Same for O-soto. Yeah, you can get
>sloppy and hook his leg - at least with O-soto - and get acceptable
>results but it's cleaner and more elegant AND more...aerial...if you
>keep your leg straight and your toes pointed.
I wholeheartedly agree here, even adding some hip action helps. This is how
I try to do and teach o-soto-gari.
>>O-Soto-Gake: This is a special throw (of mine) that sounds really dangerous.
>> From a standard grip, turn your hips side on and place your right foot
>> onto the side of uki's right knee at or maybe slightly below the joint
>> --- note you do not step in to any marked degree with your left leg.
>> Now, pull back with your right foot (forcing uki's knee to buckle
>> inwards :-) and turn your hands like you would rotate a steering wheel.
> Sounds like a knee wheel.
Hmmm, I can see the confusion. I guess I didn't describe the throw well enough.
There is no wheeling action involved. Uki drops pretty much flat on their back
and you do sweep the supporting leg after you've collapsed the knee (and you
sometimes even land on uki's chest :-), the sweep isn't very large.
Looking back over my descriptions I see that I am not being all that clear
and I cannot find a better way to describe things :-( Pity we cannot send
lots of animations instead of dull plain text. If you came here, I could
show you what I meant :-)
>What you described as O-soto Gari -
>hooking the leg and bending the guy over that fulcrum - sounds more like
>O-soto-gake than this technique does.
That is the traditional o-soso-gake yes, what I'm attempted to describe is
a possible variant. I don't believe that either should entangle the legs
if done properly.
>>And finally a question to ponder: Are gake's the lazy person's gari?
>So, I use -gari when his weight
>is off the leg I'm after and -gake when it isn't...
You are correct again.
I guess I didn't explain what I meant (again). I've seen a lot of people
(myself included) start trying a gari technique and converting to a gake
when it didn't quite work (and then get countered :-)
Maybe I should give up and go back to the lesser art of Greenoch, there
are far fewer arguments about that style.
Thorick Chow
>In article <1991Nov7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com
>(david.c.carr) says:
>>
>>Visit each school. Watch a class or two - a beginners class and an
>>advanced class if possible. If they won't let you watch,
>>walk away and don't bother looking back.
>>The questions you should ask your self go something along the lines of:
>>- is this the kind of person I want my child learning from
>>- is this the kind of stuff I want my child to learn
>>- is this the kind of discipline (or lack thereof) my child needs
>> and/or would enjoy
>>
> 100% agreement, and ADULTS should choose a school the same way!
>
To present another view. I agree with these sentiments 100%
when it comes to children. But for an adult, within reasonable
boundaries, it's often the case that it seems like a teacher who
REALLY has something to offer an individual as far as advancement
in an art is concerned, is sometimes not a very nice person
or a person whom one might say 'yeah, s/he's MY kind of person'.
In such cases, I'll usually choose for advancement in the art
over 'good vibes'. Any other opinions ?
NOTE: I'm excluding REALLY abusive situations
(Oh you want to learn ? pick up that red hot urn with
yer arms !)
-t.c.
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All of the above is from Thorick Chow - DoD #129, and not Sybase, Inc..
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Are we not Cows ?:
Matthew Brandt
In article <30...@ttidca.TTI.COM>, re...@ttidca.TTI.COM (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>Of course, a Greenoch master can, through sheer force of will,
>raise hizzerher blood pressure so high that the mosquito explodes.
>It's really amazing to watch.
Actually mere mortals can glut a mosquito occasionally too. When you
notice one sinking into a good controllable muscle like your bicep
or forearm just tighten the muscle up really hard. You have to really
get it tight but if you do it right the mosquito can't pull out and
fills up past capacity... Never saw one actually explode though (till
I got tired of watching and hit it.)
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Matt Brandt
ma...@drefla.uucp
Bengt Amnehagen
>> In article <1991Nov7.1...@cbnewsd.att.com>, dcc...@cbnewsd.att.com
>> (david.c.carr) says:
>>
>>>Talk with the instructor and ask his opinions about kids in the MA,
>> ^^^
>> Gentle reminder: "his or her"
>> ^^^^^^
>
>Quite right, Roni. English is a terrible language when trying
>avoiding gender assumptions and/or designations, and "his/her"
>is often the only option. No excuse on my part - I just got lazy
>(mentally as well as physically :-)).
>
>
when using the words "he", "his" and so on in a generalizing manner the writer implies men AND
women? Are all american females so picky in this? The constant pushing on this matter is quite
tiresom, and the only effect is to emphasize the fact that there are two human genders. Maybe
I'm wrong, but ovr here (sweden) you very seldom get this king of pickiness and we still manage
to survive quite well at each others sides at home, at work and in school. Please. I'm not nagging
on either David or Roni. You live in you culture. But still..
Bengt.
bu...@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au
> re...@ttidca.TTI.COM (Reid Kneeland) writes:
>> Of course, a Greenoch master can, through sheer force of will,
>> raise hizzerher blood pressure so high that the mosquito explodes.
>> It's really amazing to watch.
>
> A mosquito would never even be able to land on a true
> Greenoch Master! Greenoch masters wear "Skin So Soft" from Avon,
> which is an incredible insect repellant.
> Now that's a TRUE SECRET of GREENOCH which I've just revealed.
> Isn't Greenoch incredible? With a single lotion, Greenoch masters can have
> tender skin and also be free of mosquitoes!
My grandmother (of pure Irish descent) is turning in her grave.
Being one of the few people outside of Ireland to receive the Golden Shamrock
she was in a position to tell me that true Greenoch Masters have absoultely
no use for chemical repellants. A true Greenoch Master is able to project
their inner life force as an aura which repells undesireable creatures from
them. The more focused the life force, the stronger the repelling effect.
If worst comes to worst then some lesser masters have resorted to
using a compound of powdered praity skin (or haggis hide for Scotts) mixed
with oil from the secret fish. Such people have been thought of as a
radical fringe group by the rest of the Greenoch community.
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Stephen Chan
>she was in a position to tell me that true Greenoch Masters have absoultely
>no use for chemical repellants. A true Greenoch Master is able to project
>their inner life force as an aura which repells undesireable creatures from
>them. The more focused the life force, the stronger the repelling effect.
Okay...you got me, I don't really know anything about "authentic" Greenoch.
In truth, I've never recieved ANY Greenoch training. I've never even
met a druid (much less a green one). But in a nation which is hungry for
the latest and greatest novelty Martial Art, I thought I could make a
few quick bucks by pretending to represent an obscure and deadly
fighting art.
And, I was very successful. I stole some moves from Taiji, a few
moves from Aiki-jujitsu, a whole bunch of Karate moves, and improvised
the rest from things I had seen on saturday afternoon kung-fu movies.
Students used to ask me "Why do your forms vary so much from day to day?"
In truth, it was because I forgot how I had presented a form the
previous day. But I said to the eager young student "True Greenoch is
not bound by rigid forms. Greenoch is a style without forms or
techniques!"...I figured that if it sounded good when other big shots
said this, I might be able to get away with it too.
I did my best to help students achieve the Void. However, the void I
was referring to was a void in their bank accounts...I suppose that they
thought I meant something else. Oh well!
For all those poor people who actually sent me money for the "ante
penultimate secret of Greenoch" - I'm sorry to say that your money was
wasted. I can't send it back to you, because I've already invested money
in my newest enterprise...
...I'm going to become a defense contractor.