Villari Shaolin Kempo Karate?
frog
school operates under
the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it effective? Is
it worth a person's time and money to learn? Does anyone have any experience
against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
Any insight appreciated.
Thank you.
Peace.
frog
GOU RONIN®
I have never studied Villari Kempo so take this with a grain
of salt.
I have NEVER heard anything good about them. Sorry.
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frog
"GOU RONIN®" <kenpo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "frog" <just...@NOTSPAMMY.san.rr.com> scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This particular
> >school operates under
> >the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
> >Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it effective?
Is
> >it worth a person's time and money to learn? Does anyone have any
experience
> >against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
> >Any insight appreciated.
> >Thank you.
> >Peace.
> >frog
>
> I have never studied Villari Kempo so take this with a grain
> of salt.
> I have NEVER heard anything good about them. Sorry.
Not at all. Thank you for your input.
Do you mind me asking which line of American Kenpo you study?
Obviously you have confidence in your chosen field as you continue to study
but I wonder if you might share some insight on your pick.
Thank you.
Peace.
frog
Philip King
I'll have to go with Ronin on this one. I have never trained there
myself but know others that did and NONE of them seemed to know what
they were talking about or how to fight. This is just my personal
experience of course. Look at lots of schools, ask lots of questions and
go with what looks like the best(and most fun) for you.
Lots of luck, Phil
"GOU RONIN®" wrote:
>
> "frog" <just...@NOTSPAMMY.san.rr.com> scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This particular
> >school operates under
> >the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
> >Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it effective? Is
> >it worth a person's time and money to learn? Does anyone have any experience
> >against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
> >Any insight appreciated.
> >Thank you.
> >Peace.
> >frog
>
> I have never studied Villari Kempo so take this with a grain
> of salt.
> I have NEVER heard anything good about them. Sorry.
>
Neil Hourston
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> I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This particular
> school operates under
> the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
> Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it effective?
Is
> it worth a person's time and money to learn? Does anyone have any
experience
> against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
> Any insight appreciated.
> Thank you.
Check out the kempo list and ask your question if you wish.
Details..
http://www.kempo.co.uk/list.html
Shipalohan
himself and since he has a business degree he opened up 210 "burger king"
schools around the united states. sorry.
frog
How do you mean 'burger king' schools? Do you mean to imply Kempo cannot be
taught or learned in a Villari school?
Do you mean Fred Villari only ever attained a First Dan and promoted himself
through 10th artificially?
That's a pretty strong charge. Do you have experience in a Villari school or
with Villari trained players?
Please excuse all the questions. I take both my time and my money very
seriously and like to know as much as possible before I commit either to
anyone or anything.
Peace.
frog
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BB3Mike
>through 10th artificially?
Fred Villari publicly admitted his self promotion in a black belt magazine
interview in the mid '70's.
frog
Peace.
frog
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KEMPO 4
GOU RONIN®
>Not at all. Thank you for your input.
>Do you mind me asking which line of American Kenpo you study?
>Obviously you have confidence in your chosen field as you continue to study
>but I wonder if you might share some insight on your pick.
>Thank you.
>Peace.
>frog
American Kenpo is a strange beast. It took me a long time to
realize that no set of techniques taught by any teacher is THE right
way to use the art. As long as the concepts and principles are
followed it should lead you to where you want to go.
Now having said that I will be the first to say that there is
a lot of bad American Kenpo around too. It's becoming easy to cash in
on.
I've had the chance to study several different styles of Kenpo
in the American Kenpo System. From the Planas lineage to the Polanzo.
But I will admit to having had a chance to work with the Tatum
material, Trejo and Spry stuff too. More recently I have been reading
up and speaking with Dennis Conatser and Chape'l stuff. But I've been
a member of the IKKI, the IKKA, the WKKA, the AKI, and others.
The thing is that there is a lot of things that everyone has
to offer in Kenpo. But anyone telling you their way is thr only way is
probably selling something they you should be wary of.
BB3Mike
4th to 10th. Since Nick never promoted him to 4th he may very well have self
promoted from 1st to 10th. If I remember right Villari appeared as a 10th only
3 or 4 years after getting his 1st. Make of it what you will.
ai...@my-deja.com
If you think all 10th Dan belts are fake, you are ignorant! Sure there
are some, but you have to take the good with the bad. The fact remains
that the Villari schools are a sham and if you want to learn true
American Kenpo, look for an instructor in the Tracy or Parker lineage.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Dave
says...
>
>He was a 1st under Nick Cerio. In the interview he said he self promoted from
>4th to 10th. Since Nick never promoted him to 4th he may very well have self
>promoted from 1st to 10th. If I remember right Villari appeared as a 10th only
>3 or 4 years after getting his 1st. Make of it what you will.
Ah, kenpo politics...
As far I as know, Villari was promoted to 2nd dan by Nick Cerio.
My source for this is Nick Cerio's book. He lists all the people
that he promoted to 1st dan and above.
So, that leads me to ask, who promoted Nick Cerio to 1st, 2nd -10th?
Dave
KEMPO 4
"Villari's martial arts training started early in life. After being introduced
to western and chinese boxing by his father,Villari went on to study jiujitsu
and wrestling with the LeBlanc brothers in his middle teen. By the time he was
18, Villari relized his martial arts training was stanating and sought out Nick
Cerio as an instructor of Chinese kenpo. After completing his requirements as
second degree black belt with Cerio. Villari traveled to the west indies where
he traded his techniques for karate and kung-fu training.
While in the islands, Villari also studied under a chinese-australian
instructor, Soo, and gained his third and forth degree. After working
withanother master Len Chou, Villari receives his fifth degree and soon decided
to open his own school".
then he promoted him self to tenth degree
thats what the artical says
KEMPO 4
>are some, but you have to take the good with the bad. The fact remains
>that the Villari schools are a sham and if you want to learn true
>American Kenpo, look for an instructor in the Tracy or Parker lineage.
>
ignorant? thats strong.. But the Fact remains that Villari teaches Shaolin
Kempo and not American Kenpo so looking for a instructor in the Tracy or
Parker lineage would be unfruitful unless American Kenpo is the only true
Kenpo.
Jellico
He got his
2nd degree black belt from Cerio, and he understands that to build his
money-making empire, he
can't be simply a 2nd degree, so he then weaves a story about traveling to the
West Indies
(we don't learn how long), he studies with some guy named Soo (we don't learn the
guy's
complete name so that we can track him down and we don't learn how he can give
Villari a
3rd or 4th degree black belt in kempo if he's teaching the guy kung fu...and which
style of kungfu?).
Now, we do get the name Len Chou, from whom Villari got his 5th degree. Anybody
know who
this Len Chou is?
Jellico
Amrik Singh
> But anyone telling you their way is thr only way is
> probably selling something they you should be wary of.
>
Well put my friend, I belong to the British Kenpo Karate Union and my
Instructor Master Rose has said on many occasions that the principles
and techniques we are being taught are just that principles and keys,
we will then adapt these to fit the individual. Just because someone
Isn't able to perform a high kick doesn't mean that he/she is not able
to perform their art efficiently.
Yours in Kenpo
Amrik Singh
http://www.bkku.com
JimS
>
>I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This particular
>school operates under
>the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
>Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it effective? Is
>it worth a person's time and money to learn?
Please ignore those 5000 posts saying he's a scam; he's the best.
He learned right at the Shaolin Temple probably.
Love, harmony and felicity,
Jim
Joseph Brown
JimS wrote:
While Jim is fooling, I continue to be amazed at how gullible the martial arts crowd is (I'm
including myself, because I've wasted time with instructors who weren't honest with me). Let me
note just a few scams in the martial arts:
The Shaolin Do Centers that claim that just about EVERY Chinese martial art (hundreds of forms)
is
all part of one style, the Shaolin style, trained at the Shaolin temples, that included Buddhist
AND Taoist monasteries. Yes, that's right, Wudang was a SHAOLIN temple. These are the folks who
actually believe you can study not one or two, but scores of styles and actually be good at all
of them! Sin Kwang The is the moneymaker behind this one.
Chung Moo Doe: thankfully the criminal charges have taken the air out of these sails, but wow,
there still are some supporters...eight martial arts as one, and all of them done poorly!
John Painter's baguazhang, learned from a Chinese guy who appears to be untraceable, and
Painter's baguazhang resembles no other baguazhang style...yet other martial artists continue to
accord him respect he doesn't deserve (well, I guess he gets respect for being blatant and being
good at raking in money).
Frank Dux, who had a movie made on his completely false life story; he then had the audacity to
publish a book about his also false exploits as a CIA (!!) agent working for William Casey
(!!). No points for using a guy who is no longer around to corroborate your story or laugh at
the folks who actually believe Dux...
Ashida Kim, who has made more money making up Ninja stuff to publish in books than I will
probably ever make in my lifetime.
And don't let me get into the many taijiquan instructors who've presented themselves as much
more knowledgeable and skilled than they actually are, but have made lots of money appealing to
the ignorant (that's me) and the New-Age minded (not me) in America. I won't mention names
because there are FAR too many to mention. OK, I can't help it, no names, but everyone produce
the name of the guy whose published the most books on yang taijiquan, yet admits that he does
taijiquan like White crane kungfu?
Joseph
thrusting wedge
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BarnesKenpo
>Villari gives American Kenpo a bad name with all his shanagings!
And just how does he do that, since he wasn't noted for his prowess in
American Kenpo? He blended a mish mash of arts of arts and professional sales
techniques to create the quintessential McDojo. Aside from a brief flirtation
with Professor Nick Cerio way back at the beginning of Villari's career, his
ties to the American Kenpo community are tenuous at best.
Regards,
Gary R. Barnes
Dave B
says...
Gary has some good points but is there any high ranking black belt
in American Kenpo that is not self-promoted or promoted by a
"Council of Sokis?"
Dave
>
>Regards,
>Gary R. Barnes
tai...@earthlink.net
there is no such thing as a 10th degree in chinese martial arts!
taishu
Shipalohan
BarnesKenpo
>Gary has some good points but is there any high ranking black belt
>in American Kenpo that is not self-promoted or promoted by a
>"Council of Sokis?"
There are charlatans and opportunists in every art who are willing to
exploit it for their own gain and/or claim rank that they never earned. A
number of them are fairly well known. In fact, one rather prominent Japanese
stylist was often referred, prior to his death, as a TWA Master; that is he got
on the plane in Japan/Okinawa as a Brown Belt or 1st Black, and when it landed
in the US a few hours later he had mysteriously been promoted to 5th Black. I
guess you add a degree or two as you cross each time zone. After his death not
so many years ago, his "promotion" was conveniently forgotten and now he is
generally looked upon as one of the "Father's of Karate in America".
Which does not excuse or whitewash the same thing in the American Kenpo
community. Ed Parker left no clear successor to his style, and hence the rats
came out of the woodwork. It seemed as if everyone either was his "adopted son"
or "disciple".
Still, you seem to paint with a rather broad stroke; the implication
appears to be that there are *no* legitimate higher ranks in Kenpo. To my eyes,
that just isn't true.
First, what do you define as higher rank? And do you have someone
specifically in mind? I am curious rather than critical.
Regards,
Gary R. Barnes
JimS
>
>In article <20000704223356...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,
> kem...@aol.com (KEMPO 4) wrote:
>> and this would be diffrent from how any 10th degrees?
>>
>
>are some, but you have to take the good with the bad. The fact remains
>that the Villari schools are a sham and if you want to learn true
>American Kenpo, look for an instructor in the Tracy or Parker lineage.
Whoa.
The impact of this one just hit me.
That's kinda like saying, "if you want to see upright moral T.V. evangelists,
Jimmy Swiggart is a sham but take a look at Jim Bakker and Oral Roberts".
JS "just passing through"
Jonathan McFarland
styles into one. What do you think about the Bujinkan, as I understand it
the Bujinkan teaches nine schools under one blanket. I have never heard of
Ashida Kim, who is he? Also the name Chung Moo Doe sounds familiar, but I
can't place it. Who is he and why is he crappy?
Thanks,
Jonathan
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Kirk Lawson
seat laughing. He may be a good marial artist but the whole "mystique" thing
was just taken too far. Then there was the section where he agreed to a
challenge match but you'd have to -PAY- him $10,000, plus room, board, and
transportation for him and his numerous seconds to the event to be performed at
a -STADIUM- which you also have to rent, and on top of that, he gets all
proceeds from the concessions (like that -could- even happen!). He claims that
it's because he so tired of the continuous challenges he was always recieving,
but it sounds suspicious to me.
You should be able to find the reference by going to dejanews.com and doing a
search under rec.martial-arts for "Ashida Kim". Heck, for that matter, just do
the same search in Yahoo.
Somebody help me out here, wasn't Chung Moo Do the art that Chuck Norris
created?
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
BarnesKenpo
>Well, someone posted Ashida Kim's web site a while back. I about fell out of
>my
>seat laughing. He may be a good marial artist but the whole "mystique" thing
>was just taken too far. Then there was the section where he agreed to a
>challenge match but you'd have to -PAY- him $10,000, plus room, board, and
>transportation for him and his numerous seconds to the event to be performed
>at
>a -STADIUM- which you also have to rent, and on top of that, he gets all
>proceeds from the concessions (like that -could- even happen!). He claims
>that
>it's because he so tired of the continuous challenges he was always
>recieving,
>but it sounds suspicious to me.
>
>You should be able to find the reference by going to dejanews.com and doing a
>search under rec.martial-arts for "Ashida Kim". Heck, for that matter, just
>do
>the same search in Yahoo.
>
>Somebody help me out here, wasn't Chung Moo Do the art that Chuck Norris
>created?
>
>Peace favor your sword,
>Kirk
>
Hi Kirk!
I was the one who posted the Ashida Kim reference. The site is
www.ashidakim.com if anyone else wants a good laugh.
Chuck Norris' art is called Chun Kuk Do.
Regards,
Gary R. Barnes
cate...@my-deja.com
> >
> >Somebody help me out here, wasn't Chung Moo Do the art that Chuck Norris
> >created?
> >
> >Peace favor your sword,
> >Kirk
> >
>
> Hi Kirk!
>
> I was the one who posted the Ashida Kim reference. The site is
> www.ashidakim.com if anyone else wants a good laugh.
>
> Chuck Norris' art is called Chun Kuk Do.
>
> Regards,
> Gary R. Barnes
>
chung moo doe(sp varies) is a rip off/MLM scheme started by this dude who
calls himself Iron Kim and dos all the hokey tricks any gymrat or mildly
in shape individual can perform. he claimds eight systems in one or some
shite.
his franchises have been booted out of some states and here in MA they
were all shut down and reopened under new names aqnd a discreet swap of
head management.
its kinda like a pyramid scheme with sit-ups. stay away. or, better yet,
go beat them up.
Carl
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shipa...@aol.com (Shipalohan) wrote:
> the guy is a fag trust me, why else would everyone know him as a fake?
>
Shaolin
Kenpo
Karate
Thats a start. Sure, on the surface just words. I mean where else can
you get french bread pizza soysage but in the usa? But we are not just
talking about techniques. They are trying to mix systems, cultural
traits, metaphysics and philosphy. These things can have a compelling,
overwhelming effect on a biological machine.
For instance, you have to give villari credit. He stuck around and
learned just enough tiger claw to figure out how to exploit the
(chinese) system. He gets around the "you cant fight your seniors"
(just for example) value/importance (an assumed fallacy of confucian
"ethic") by setting up kenpo sparring clubs.
Tiger claw guys eager to spar end up converting or cross-train at his
clubs. "seniority" of age is replaced with belt rank, weight class,
gender, ect. It opens things up but they can still "impose" that
importance to keep people in line and willing to be strung along enough
to get to the next step (or buy themselves in or become a "friend of a
venture capitalist that wants to act")
In the intelligence community there is an assumed code of ethics. The
decorum of secrecy. Just as the teenage boys talking about cars assume
a ignore-ance of the obvious pretention that none of them drive or own
cars to play of game of "who knows more about cars?".
You'd be amazed how, even retired spooks, would not dare violate the
unspoken of (keep solid in your mind the idea of assumed/felt/desired
importance) rule that you cant expose or uncover another fraud/falsehood
acting as something he isnt.
Probably centering around the fact that intel. agencys hire mostly
preverts, child molesters, latent homosexuals (family man) because they
are easily manipulated. And already know the "play something you arent"
role quite well.
So you get that same attitude with "shaolin kenpo karate" clubs. They
are all there to get something they want that they cant get where they
are at somewhere else. Its all means to an end feeding frenzy of
starving sharks and in the end, the "naieve", and innocent get ripped
off in the end....
The three sets of essential importances/values and data: Shaolin (that
in itself is a value, no clear cognitive definition of what "shaolin"
actually is), kenpo (just another way of saying shaolin), karate
form 3 seperate surfaces.
I dont think these guys are smart enough to figure out what they did but
it was a good marketing HOOK nonetheless.
Anyone care to wager a bet about the percentage of underground elements
associated with the particulars?
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Moo Quan, and other names), and I thought I'd respond.
I'm a former six-year member of this group, having been involved at one
of their Massachusetts locations during the 1980s. During my
involvement, it was undoubtedly a destructive cult, meeting all
criteria for a cult I've ever studied (Hassan's BITE model, Lifton's '8
criteria' for a mind control environment, Singer's six conditions of
thought reform, etc). The "art" itself appears to be a mishmash of
styles thrown together. How well you performed wasn't at all the
issue, it was how much money you were willing to bring down for
lessons. As reported by Chicago TV reporter Pam Zekman in her expose
of the group, "Chung Moo Quan: The Cult and The Con" (CBS. WBBM.
1989), people were charged as high as $100 thousand for lessons. I
personally knew people--doctors, professionals--who'd been conned into
bringing down ten thousand dollars, or more, in cash, in one fell
swoop. No receipts, either. This enabled the organization to skim
large amounts of cash off the top, and conceal it from the government
(and thus not pay taxes on it). That all came to an end in 1995, when
the founder and master of Chung Moo, John C. Kim, plus several of his
top people were indicted on a charge of conspiracy to defraud the
United States of America, in violation of Title 18 US code, sec. 371.
In 1996, Kim and a few others were convicted by a jury of the charge,
and most of the others plead guilty. (The remaining ones plead guilty
at later times.)
As far as the martial arts aspect of the organization goes, teaching
people the martial arts wasn't the aim of Kim, or his people; it was
using martial arts lessons as a front to deceive people, particularly
young men, and draw them in and sucker them (via mind control
techniques and group behavior modification techniques) into worshipping
John C. Kim. The organization was a personality cult revolving around
Kim.
Many, many claims about the arts that Chung Moo supposedly teaches
haven't been verified; to my knowledge, no one has ever responded to
repeated requests to know when, where, with whom Kim studied aikido
(one of the arts Chung Moo is supposed to teach), and where Kim's rank
in aikido is registered. Also, Kim used to claim he was
the "undefeated champion of all Asia", and no such title has ever
existed.
I haven't been personally involved with the group for several years,
but from contact I've had with people who've recently left the group,
this organization still has practices which I'd qualify as dangerous,
and dishonest. It still seems like a place to steer well clear from.
Some resources so you may check into this further:
The Chung Moo page at cult expert Steve Hassan's web site:
http://www.freedomofmind.com/groups/chung/chung.htm
Articles:
Kahn, Ric. "Chung Moonies? Critics Call Martial Arts Club a Cult of
Violence and Greed." Boston Phoenix. 25-Oct-91.
Vogel, Jennifer. "Be True to Your School; The Dark Side of the Moo."
City Pages (Minn/St. Paul). 1-Apr-92.
Hope this helps.
kol...@my-deja.com
rival, he was probably just as good, if not better; if Villari is like
Burger King, the Brogna was like D'Angelo's. Kempo, compared to
Shaolin Kung Fu, is a good introduction to the more indepth stuff like
PaKua, Hsing I, Chin-Na, but it really is just a tip of the iceberg.
I realized that, having started learning from one of Grandmaster Liu's
students.
I thought villari sold his school to his top students who suck now.
In article <ZVd85.33587$Y4.2...@typhoon2.san.rr.com>,
"frog" <just...@NOTSPAMMY.san.rr.com> wrote:
> I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This
particular
> school operates under
> the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
>
> Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it
effective? Is
> it worth a person's time and money to learn? Does anyone have any
experience
> against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
> Any insight appreciated.
> Thank you.
>
> Peace.
>
> frog
GOU RONIN®
>chung moo doe(sp varies) is a rip off/MLM scheme started by this dude who
>calls himself Iron Kim and dos all the hokey tricks any gymrat or mildly
>in shape individual can perform. he claimds eight systems in one or some
>shite.
>his franchises have been booted out of some states and here in MA they
>were all shut down and reopened under new names aqnd a discreet swap of
>head management.
>its kinda like a pyramid scheme with sit-ups. stay away. or, better yet,
>go beat them up.
We can do that legally? GREAT!
Olddog1
> "frog" <just...@NOTSPAMMY.san.rr.com> wrote:
>> I believe I've found a good school with a good Teacher. This
>particular
>> school operates under
>> the Fred Villari name and proposes to teach Shaolin Kempo Karate.
>>
>> Can anyone offer some thoughts on this particular style? Is it
>effective? Is
>> it worth a person's time and money to learn?
No it isn't.
Does anyone have any
>experience
>> against practitioners of this style? Or have you studied yourself?
>> Any insight appreciated.
>> Thank you.
>>
I had the misfortune to be inolved with Villaris socalled
"system' a while , it was the only thing in the area , after
long expereince with other Kempo systems villaris bullshit
leaves a very sour taste in ones mouth.
The only " system" about it is a system for lining his
freaking pockets.
cate...@my-deja.com
> >go beat them up.
>
> We can do that legally? GREAT!
of course we can! its a martial arts gym, right?, and they're there to
practice fighting, right?
"uh, gee, mr. officerjudge sir, he was trying to cut this apple into four
pieces when those nun-chucks just flew off the rack and brained him. i've
never seen anything like. yes, sir, i will have a good day, and you too,
sir"
or, even better,
" he went to try and hit me and he just slipped and got that black eye!"
see? easy....:))
> GOU RONIN® - The Unforgiven...
GOU RONIN®
>" he went to try and hit me and he just slipped and got that black eye!"
>see? easy....:))
Wow, that's much better than when I tried to use..."I'm sorry
your honour, I swear I thought he was going to hit me first!"
GOU RONIN® - The Unforgiven...
cate...@my-deja.com
kenpo...@hotmail.com wrote:
> cate...@my-deja.com scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >" he went to try and hit me and he just slipped and got that black
eye!"
> >see? easy....:))
>
> Wow, that's much better than when I tried to use..."I'm sorry
> your honour, I swear I thought he was going to hit me first!"
hmmph- they only got tired of hearing it from ya, ya cantakerous little
canuck, you know the excuse only works the first six of seven times!
:)
Carl
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>hmmph- they only got tired of hearing it from ya, ya cantakerous little
>canuck, you know the excuse only works the first six of seven times!
Oh...but it's the only excuse I have!
Steve M
<jbro...@uswest.net> wrote:
> Frank Dux, who had a movie made on his completely
> false life story; he then had the audacity to
> publish a book about his also false exploits as a CIA
> (!!) agent working for William Casey
> (!!). No points for using a guy who is no longer
> around to corroborate your story or laugh at
> the folks who actually believe Dux...
Still, you have to admit, "Bloodsport" is still one of the
better Western MA movies made. Some nice fight scenes,
well shot, and well choreographed. Compare it to a couple
of Norris films of the same era.
Which leads to the question: What is the *real* Frank Dux
story?
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Badger
kenpo...@hotmail.com wrote:
> cate...@my-deja.com scribbled with their crayola:
>
> >hmmph- they only got tired of hearing it from ya, ya cantakerous
little
> >canuck, you know the excuse only works the first six of seven times!
>
> Oh...but it's the only excuse I have!
So next time (because we know there will be a next time) say "but your
honour, I was just cleaning my fist and it went off!"
Badger
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butted my fist!"
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>So next time (because we know there will be a next time)
Oh yea of little faith!
William
(the van damne version)
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Steve M wrote in message <3fc5848e...@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com>...
>In article <3964E62E...@uswest.net>, Joseph Brown
><jbro...@uswest.net> wrote:
>> Frank Dux, who had a movie made on his completely
>> false life story; he then had the audacity to
>> publish a book about his also false exploits as a CIA
>> (!!) agent working for William Casey
>> (!!). No points for using a guy who is no longer
>> around to corroborate your story or laugh at
>> the folks who actually believe Dux...
>
>Still, you have to admit, "Bloodsport" is still one of the
>better Western MA movies made. Some nice fight scenes,
>well shot, and well choreographed. Compare it to a couple
>of Norris films of the same era.
>Which leads to the question: What is the *real* Frank Dux
>story?
>
>
Jellico
William wrote:
> Blood sport was the movie which induced me to take up martial arts
> (the van damne version)
>
That's fine, as long as you realize the movie, alleged to be a true story,
was absolutely completely made up. Frank Dux is a fake and a liar. I'm
sure, however, that the movie inspired lots of people, just as Enter the
Dragon did a few years earlier (it certainly inspired me).
Jellico
Jellico
> Steve M wrote in message <3fc5848e...@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com>...
> >In article <3964E62E...@uswest.net>, Joseph Brown
> ><jbro...@uswest.net> wrote:
> >> Frank Dux, who had a movie made on his completely
> >> false life story; he then had the audacity to
> >> publish a book about his also false exploits as a CIA
> >> (!!) agent working for William Casey
> >> (!!). No points for using a guy who is no longer
> >> around to corroborate your story or laugh at
> >> the folks who actually believe Dux...
> >
> >Still, you have to admit, "Bloodsport" is still one of the
> >better Western MA movies made. Some nice fight scenes,
> >well shot, and well choreographed. Compare it to a couple
> >of Norris films of the same era.
> >Which leads to the question: What is the *real* Frank Dux
> >story?
Well, the 'real' Frank Dux story is that he saw that lying to people could
make him money...so he did, and got a movie made about him. And then he saw
that he could make more money by writing a book in which he was a CIA
agent. And that worked too, until the magazine Soldier of Fortune blew the
whistle (as did a couple of others...). And for a LONG time martial artists
were saying they had never ever heard of the 'kumite' that Frank claimed to
have won. What more do you need to know?
Also, about the movie...Van Damme had pretty kicks, but the fights were
stupid and simplistic...compare those fight scenes to the wonderful,
tactics-rich fight at the end of THE WAY OF THE DRAGON (the awesome fight
scene between Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee...Lee is fighting in a traditional
'wushu' manner, and is losing, and then changes to a more mobile kind of
kickboxing manner, and begins winning), and you will understand why
BLOODSPORTS' fight scenes left me cold. They were the martial arts version
of a ROCKY movie, in which the hero just gets beaten to a pulp, then
miraculously recovers and wins the fight. There was no style, only pretty
high kicks and tense muscles to turn on the female viewers (and those male
viewers who were so inclined). There was nothing smart about the movie or
the fights.
I was a lot more impressed with the aikido-tinged fights in ABOVE THE LAW
than with the pretty kicks mind-numbing work of Van Damme. The aikido in
fights scenes were an innovation. But pretty soon Seagal 's stuff became
just as boring as Van Damme (you've got the arrogance and dullness of Seagal
as an actor and the lousy acting ability of Van Damme and between the both
of them I was driven back to the Hong Kong films...Jackie Chan and Jet Lee
are much more interesting as martial arts action stars).
Jellico
Steve M
That's about it, I guess 8^) (I'd never heard the story is
all)
> They were the
> martial arts version
> of a ROCKY movie, in which the hero just gets beaten
> to a pulp, then
> miraculously recovers and wins the fight. There was
> no style, only pretty
> high kicks and tense muscles to turn on the female
> viewers (and those male
> viewers who were so inclined). There was nothing
> smart about the movie or
> the fights.
Actually, I'd agree with that, regarding Van Damme's
scenes, which I felt were the weakest of the fight scenes.
What I liked was the portrayal of various arts up against
each other. And the fights were still better choreographed
than most western fight-flicks. Just look a any of Chuck
Norris's slow, dull movie fights.
> I was a lot more impressed with the aikido-tinged
> fights in ABOVE THE LAW
> than with the pretty kicks mind-numbing work of Van
> Damme. The aikido in
> fights scenes were an innovation.
It's always nice to see something different. I liked "Only
the Strong" (I think is the movie) for it's Capoiera
(apologies for misspelling).
> ...of them I was driven back to the Hong Kong
> films...Jackie Chan and Jet Lee
> are much more interesting as martial arts action
> stars).
No argument! The HK movies are excellent!
William
when he started, it was the basics and not all this tits and ass hollywood
explosives and army bullshit..
I remember the scene where he said "aikido is like magic" (in the scene when
he was a little boy) and I thought the same.
Aikido is definitely one of the most useful commercial martial arts around.
And van damme is now too bulky and is slower than eric cartman.
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