Joey Buttafocco vs. Woman in Celebrity Boxing 2
sifumar...@webtv.net
choice. I just got a quick look I think his opponent is a female
wrestler. Wednesday 8:30 PM ET on Fox.
Dan Paik
he fights chyna.
spoiler ahead if you want to know who won...
surprise...joey won.
Dan.
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Gichoke
>Date: 5/20/02 2:5
><sifumar...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>Since we`ll never ger to see CR fight this could be a great second
>>choice. I just got a quick look I think his opponent is a female
>>wrestler. Wednesday 8:30 PM ET on Fox.
>
>he fights chyna.
>
>spoiler ahead if you want to know who won...
It was posted a week back that chynna would kick buttufuckos ass.
I posted that despite the fact that she is obviously in the upper 1% of the
upper 1% of female prowess, and had boxed as a teen, and had studied at least
some self defense for years, that she was facing an opponent that would pound
her.
A dumb, fat, middle aged man.
But the key word there is "MAN"
And despite the protestations from self appointed self defense instructers in
blackbelt magazine, not only can an average women expect to get beaten bad by
an average man, but even an exceptional women athlete can be beaten bad by a
subpar old man.If she is not exceptionally skilled ON THE GROUND.
Watch celeb boxing and perhaps you will see gichoke vindicated.
As you watch a fat moron throw god aweful blows and beat the shit out of a huge
tough female boxer/wrestler.
I am not knocking women, i think they should train.I think they should compete
with each other.
But putting them against men is dangerous, though it should remind us to keep
our fight on the ground in regard to self defense.
Gi
ps xena was just a TV show
Eric Neale
> Since we`ll never ger to see CR fight this could be a great second
> choice. I just got a quick look I think his opponent is a female
> wrestler. Wednesday 8:30 PM ET on Fox.
I think it is stupid. If he wins, he loses because he beat up a girl.
If he loses, he lost to a girl. I don't like male vs. female
violence. It is just problamatic on so many different levels.
Boxing is bad when it is a mismatch. It is hard to not get a mismatch
in male vs. female boxing. Are these two even in the same weight
division? What next, highschool vs. gradeschool boxing?
This is bad for the sport. It is just a Network stunt to bost
ratings. Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead. I would pay
to see that, and the female boxers could always use more air time.
Now, if I could only get a wide camera angle that would show the
footwork . . .
Regards,
-Eric
Dan Paik
Eric Neale <calvin...@ocsnet.net> wrote:
>Boxing is bad when it is a mismatch. It is hard to not get a mismatch
>in male vs. female boxing. Are these two even in the same weight
>division? What next, highschool vs. gradeschool boxing?
i don't know how much chyna weighs but i would guess that she weighs
around 170 or so. and she can bench press like 300 pounds.
the girl is strong...and it was widely known that she was stronger than
about 1/2 of the guys in WWE when she was wrestling for them (back then,
they were the WWF).
she should have been able to beat joey with her skills as a wrestler (she
went to killer kowalski's school) but oh well...i guess joey beat her.
she has breast implants so maybe he kept hitting her chest or something.
in wrestling she had to be careful to always land on her back instead of
her chest, etc.
and drain deez nuts
>choice. I just got a quick look I think his opponent is a female
>wrestler. Wednesday 8:30 PM ET on Fox.
>
With Chyna, woman should be in quotes.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>
>It was posted a week back that chynna would kick buttufuckos ass.
>I posted that despite the fact that she is obviously in the upper 1% of the
>upper 1% of female prowess, and had boxed as a teen, and had studied at least
>some self defense for years, that she was facing an opponent that would pound
>her.
>A dumb, fat, middle aged man.
>But the key word there is "MAN"
>And despite the protestations from self appointed self defense instructers in
>blackbelt magazine, not only can an average women expect to get beaten bad by
>an average man, but even an exceptional women athlete can be beaten bad by a
>subpar old man
Yup...anyone have any idea how the fight went? As in, "was it close or did
Buttfuck knock Chyna out?"
She obviously is in the upper .01% of women. Her bodyweight was in the range
of a fairly ripped 180lbs at peak. She roids and has used some HGH. She's
trained and gone out there and prowrestled with the men, taking more severe
bumps than any other women ever has.
I.e., she's in the top 1% of the top 1% of the top 1% in terms of female
ability in explosive power and size and she's used to taking knocks and playing
with guys. She's the real-world equivalent of as Xena as any bitch could get
including the use of dope. Yet she lost to some guy who is NOBODY.
This is why I cannot even stomach one second of those shows where the waif-like
women beat up guys no matter HOW hot the heroines are. It's just too fucking
unreal to stomach. And, then there are women out there who see this shit and
think they're badass cuz GI Jane posed in some clips with some guys with
crewcuts in the surf.
If freakin CHYNA got beat by Joey Buttafucko, do you want women in our freakin
army!?!?
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>I think it is stupid. If he wins, he loses because he beat up a girl.
> If he loses, he lost to a girl. I don't like male vs. female
>violence. It is just problamatic on so many different levels.
>
>Boxing is bad when it is a mismatch. It is hard to not get a mismatch
>in male vs. female boxing. Are these two even in the same weight
>division? What next, highschool vs. gradeschool boxing?
No. Chyna is a well-trained, steroid-enhanced, big-boned woman who has over a
decade of professional athletics under her belt and the training and experience
that goes with it, including many years in the WWF, a sport which places a very
high premium on power, strength, and pain tolerance. Chyna actually held one
of the "men's belts" in the WWF back in the day, meaning that she went out and
did wrestling spots against guys.
Joey Buttafuoco is a fat, middle-aged man who is famous for screwing an
underaged girl who ended up shooting his wife.
If there has ever been a better "battle of the sexes" that looks like a blowout
for women on paper, let me know where and when. Even Bobby Riggs against the
dyke wasn't this much of what appears to be a mismatch. Yet, Joey beat her,
huh?
>Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead.
WHY? So you can watch slow people fight clumsily??!
It's like the fucking WNBA...who CARES?!?!
Trav
Chas
> If freakin CHYNA got beat by Joey Buttafucko, do you want women in our freakin
> army!?!?
Yup.
Load them till they quiver and run them till they drop; just like the
rest of us.
--
Chas Clements
casemaker 303-364-0403
ch...@kuntaosilat.net
http://www.kuntaosilat.com/
http://chasclements.tripod.com/index.htm
Gichoke
>
>Yup...anyone have any idea how the fight went? As in, "was it close or did
>Buttfuck knock Chyna out?"
Hies punches were horrendus, it appeard he had never thrown one before in his
life.
Yet he knocked her around easily.Winning a lopsided unanimous decision.
Kind of like how crazy cabbie fights, i guess.
Gi
nemo_ outis
..snip...
>
>If freakin CHYNA got beat by Joey Buttafucko, do you want women in our freakin
>army!?!?
>
>Trav
I dunno - what's the trigger pull on an M16?
Regards,
Eric Neale
> >
> >I think it is stupid. If he wins, he loses because he beat up a girl.
> > If he loses, he lost to a girl. I don't like male vs. female
> >violence. It is just problamatic on so many different levels.
> >
> >Boxing is bad when it is a mismatch. It is hard to not get a mismatch
> >in male vs. female boxing. Are these two even in the same weight
> >division? What next, highschool vs. gradeschool boxing?
>
> No. Chyna is a well-trained, steroid-enhanced, big-boned woman who has over a
> decade of professional athletics under her belt and the training and experience
Thanks, it is nice to know who they are.
> that goes with it, including many years in the WWF, a sport which places a very
> high premium on power, strength, and pain tolerance.
Sport? I thought WWF was an athletic entertainment industry. An
althletic version of Hollywood or Broadway. They script each event so
the most popular ones win. I once saw Hogan doing one of those trash
talkings when he messed up a line and didn't realize it was a live
feed. Hogoan said "Wait, cut - lets take if from the top" and then
went back *into charicter* and started over like a pro actor.
. . . Chyna actually held one
> of the "men's belts" in the WWF back in the day, meaning that she went out and
> did wrestling spots against guys.
She must have been popular with the fans if the WWF executives desided
to give her that gig.
> Joey Buttafuoco is a fat, middle-aged man who is famous for screwing an
> underaged girl who ended up shooting his wife.
>
> If there has ever been a better "battle of the sexes" that looks like a blowout
> for women on paper, let me know where and when. Even Bobby Riggs against the
> dyke wasn't this much of what appears to be a mismatch. Yet, Joey beat her,
> huh?
Like I said, male vs. female is hard to *not* mismatch. The mismatch
could go either way depending on who they choose, but the guy vs. girl
social isssues are just too problamatic.
> >Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead.
>
> WHY? So you can watch slow people fight clumsily??!
>
> It's like the fucking WNBA...who CARES?!?!
So you are saying females can't box? The key word is "instead"; as in
instead of this celebrity boxing crap.
Victor 'the Victim' Velez
> >
> > If he loses, he lost to a girl. I don't like male vs. female
> >violence. It is just problamatic on so many different levels.
> >
> >Boxing is bad when it is a mismatch. It is hard to not get a mismatch
> >in male vs. female boxing. Are these two even in the same weight
> >division? What next, highschool vs. gradeschool boxing?
>
> No. Chyna is a well-trained, steroid-enhanced, big-boned woman who has over a
> decade of professional athletics under her belt
Excellent point about her being steroid-enhanced, but the promo pics
of them still show old man Buttafuco having arms twice as big and
actually a fairly large upper body, at least compared to her.
and the training and experience
> that goes with it, including many years in the WWF, a sport which places a very high premium on power, strength, and pain tolerance. Chyna actually held one
> of the "men's belts" in the WWF back in the day, meaning that she went out and
> did wrestling spots against guys.
Umm, yeah, the WWF is a sport as Chinese Opera Kung Fu is. I mean the
participants are skilled, but its not real fighting. Chyna "holding"
one of the "men's belts" was just pure soap opera. But you already
know that. So I am slightly confused.
>
> Joey Buttafuoco is a fat, middle-aged man who is famous for screwing an
> underaged girl who ended up shooting his wife.
>
> If there has ever been a better "battle of the sexes" that looks like a blowout
> for women on paper, let me know where and when. Even Bobby Riggs against the
> dyke wasn't this much of what appears to be a mismatch. Yet, Joey beat her,
> huh?
Huh? The Joey vs Chyna fight has not happened yet, right? I have been
in job hell for a while so I might have missed it, but isn't it this
Wednesday night?
And I remain confused. Are you saying Chyna _will_ win or just that
Chyna is the best man vs woman bout you could imagine and she will
still lose? Personally, After seeing the pics of the two I think Joe
will pummel her in a boxing match. If Chyna was allowed to wrestle it
_might_ be interesting, but in a boxing match Joe is going to pound
her.
>
> >Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead.
>
> WHY? So you can watch slow people fight clumsily??!
>
> It's like the fucking WNBA...who CARES?!?!
>
> Trav
Here's the promo blub about this "bout"
==============
JOEY BUTTAFUOCO vs. JOANIE ''CHYNA'' LAURER
Why Buttafuoco? The sometime bouncer weathered the wrath of both wife
Mary Jo AND his bow-and-arrow-toting teen fling, Amy Fisher. Now
THAT'S tough.
Why Laurer? The 5'10'' muscle-bound wrestler (who can bench press 325
lbs.) is a chip off the old Rock.
Verdict Laurer will pummel Buttafuoco so badly he'll wish Fisher was
in the ring with him instead.
Odds Chyna favored 8 to 1
=============
I think they are dead wrong. But then I think outweighing someone by
50-60 pounds and having twice as much muscle is an "advantage", but
what do I know.
Victor 'the Road Warrior' Velez
P.S.
For the record I have been on the road, um... as a buyer.. yeah, A
buyer of specialty hair care products... for Raphael's House of Style.
I'm back in NYC for the next week or so, so get your deathmatch
challenges in during this time window.
Robert Low
>trav...@aol.cominyrface (and drain deez nuts) wrote in message
>places a very
>> high premium on power, strength, and pain tolerance.
>
>Sport? I thought WWF was an athletic entertainment industry. An
Well, yeah, but you still need a hell of a lot of power, strength
and pain tolerance. Even though it's scripted and the 'wrestlers'
are cooperating, doing that stuff without serious injury requires
a massive amount of athleticism.
caterbro
> Well, yeah, but you still need a hell of a lot of power, strength
> and pain tolerance. Even though it's scripted and the 'wrestlers'
> are cooperating, doing that stuff without serious injury requires
> a massive amount of athleticism.
still has a minimal impact on your fighting spirit.
even the toughest quail in the face of aggression,
Carl
I personally think it was thrown. they promised chyna seven
greek pool boys ad a brace of collegiate lacrosse girls to go
down.
Robert Low
>mtx...@linux.services.coventry.ac.uk (Robert Low) wrote in <acfkf5$kuu$1...@sunbeam.coventry.ac.uk>:
>> Well, yeah, but you still need a hell of a lot of power, strength
>> and pain tolerance. Even though it's scripted and the 'wrestlers'
>> are cooperating, doing that stuff without serious injury requires
>> a massive amount of athleticism.
>
>still has a minimal impact on your fighting spirit.
Sure. It's physically hard, demanding acting, not fighting.
--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/
and drain deez nuts
>freakin
>>army!?!?
>>
>>Trav
>
>I dunno - what's the trigger pull on an M16?
>
>Regards,
Yeah, that's ALL warfighting is anymore, just trigger pulls, huh? Bullshit it
is.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>> that goes with it, including many years in the WWF, a sport which places a
>very
>> high premium on power, strength, and pain tolerance.
>
>Sport? I thought WWF was an athletic entertainment industry.
Doesn't really matter. Those guys really do pick each other up and do flips
and shit.
It is not a bunch of stunt spots like in the movies - WWF spots are done in
real-time with real people. Real serious injuries occur.
>Hogoan said "Wait, cut - lets take if from the top" and then
>went back *into charicter* and started over like a pro actor.
OK...at what point did I start talking about their mic skills?
>went out and
>> did wrestling spots against guys.
>
>She must have been popular with the fans if the WWF executives desided
>to give her that gig.
>
Some kind of "I am woman" crap. I wasn't watching their shit back then but I
heard about it.
>
>Like I said, male vs. female is hard to *not* mismatch. The mismatch
>could go either way depending on who they choose, but the guy vs. girl
>social isssues are just too problamatic.
So what? I bet they thought Joey would get his ass kicked. I mean, I saw
Chyna on an interview with Judith Regan or somebodyorother, one of those
women's interview programs. She sure talked tough and flexed her biceps and
went on about how she went out there and mixed it up with the men and shit.
>So you are saying females can't box?
Exactly.
Have you watched any female boxing yet?
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Excellent point about her being steroid-enhanced, but the promo pics
>of them still show old man Buttafuco having arms twice as big and
>actually a fairly large upper body, at least compared to her.
He's a man...what do you expect?
>Umm, yeah, the WWF is a sport as Chinese Opera Kung Fu is. I mean the
>participants are skilled, but its not real fighting
SO? And screwing teenagers IS?
The POINT is that, like football players, wrestlers, and other contact
athletes, you EXPECT WWFers to be able to bring a level of explosive power to a
CONTEST, which is what boxing is, it is not a fight, that is far superior to
untrained athletes.
Boxing is not a fight. It is a contest. With those puffy gloves and headgear
on in these celebrity variants, you don't expect ANYONE to get hurt. It's a
contest and in a contest, you put money on the people who are trained to
exercise explosive power and have high pain tolerance.
>Chyna "holding"
>one of the "men's belts" was just pure soap opera. But you already
>know that. So I am slightly confused.
The point is that she had to go and do spots with real men. She had to take
bumps with men, had to pick up and slam men on occasion, had to do the same
types of stunts that the men do in order to sell her role in the WWF. Listen,
watch the WWF sometime. Watch when they do men w/ women. The men go so far
out of their way to protect the women in any type of spot that it's outrageous.
If a man puts a woman through a table in a stunt, the MAN himself is the one
actually hitting the table and landing on the ground. It's like how they do it
with celebs; the WWF players protect the celeb and take the bumps for them.
With Chyna, she took her bumps on her own because it was necessary to sell the
gag. I.e., she was trained and physically prepared for high-amplitude,
explosive sports behavior.
So, what is your point? That some 115lb woman trained in "the martial arts"
would have had a better chance against Joey? Get real.
>Are you saying Chyna _will_ win or just that
>Chyna is the best man vs woman bout you could imagine and she will
>still lose? Personally, After seeing the pics of the two I think Joe
>will pummel her in a boxing match.
Chyna is in the upper 99th percentile of females in terms of size, muscularity,
and actual experience in contact athletics.
>If Chyna was allowed to wrestle it
>_might_ be interesting, but in a boxing match Joe is going to pound
>her.
Zactly.
>I think they are dead wrong. But then I think outweighing someone by
>50-60 pounds and having twice as much muscle is an "advantage", but
>what do I know.
He's a man. End of story. The bitch can bench 325...that's more than the vast
majority of men can hit.
My point was that "here is your Xena" and she got her ass kicked by a regular
fat guy who's like 50. It should be a wakeup call to women. Stop pretending
you can whip guys' asses and start thinking about rational gun legislation. I
mean, there's been a proliferation of these TV programs featuring tiny female
heroines with great facial structure and puffy lips who are whipping guys'
asses with karate and shit. You have your GI Jane and women want to believe
that this crap is possible.
Perhaps if they see Chyna, someone freaking man-sized, get her ass kicked by a
nobody who's over the hill, it will provide some sort of reality check. But,
as women aren't very smart or rational anyway, probably this is expecting too
much.
Trav
Dan Paik
and drain deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
>>She must have been popular with the fans if the WWF executives desided
>>to give her that gig.
>Some kind of "I am woman" crap. I wasn't watching their shit back then but I
>heard about it.
she beat jeff jarrett (slap nutz). double j kept making fun of chyna
saying that chyna is a woman so she would be in the kitchen, etc. so she
beat him up and won the intercontinental title.
>So what? I bet they thought Joey would get his ass kicked. I mean, I saw
>Chyna on an interview with Judith Regan or somebodyorother, one of those
>women's interview programs. She sure talked tough and flexed her biceps and
>went on about how she went out there and mixed it up with the men and shit.
but the truth is that even though she's a tough woman, she wasn't that
great at fighting. she was built and was a decent wrestler but she still
punched like a girl, etc.
personally, i think in a boxing match chyna would lose to a professional
female boxer like christy martin. i'm sure chyna will easily beat mia st.
john though.
and if anyone thinks that male wrestlers can't fight...talk to guys like
ken shamrock, dan severn, don frye, tank abbott, kurt angle, etc. i'm
sure even guys like bradshaw, steve blackman, etc. can fight pretty well.
Gichoke
Interestingly Buttfuck pounding chyna strongly suggets that it is more than
strength that women lack in battle.
No one here has disputed that chynna is strong, she is probably stronger than
buttfucko, yet he still beat her.
Why?
Because he is a man, and millions of years of evolution has created men that
have won hand to hand fights over other men for a shot at prime poon, also the
men that could not bring down wild game with spears did not get the best meat,
which made us hunters.
Evolution provided women with excellent defense mechanisms as well, but they
involve being sexually stimulating so male warriors feed them, and have a high
picthed child like voice, and otherwise looking like kids, so as to make strong
males sympathetic to their needs.
So though one may take atrificial male hormone and develop the strength of a
man, it will not often overcome her other physical and mental abilities, which
evolution drove toward the aforementioned attractiveness, child rearing,
grubbing for food and driving the cohesion of the tribe through emotional
bonding.
An extrodinarliy strong woman losing badly to an average, aging male, should
lead you to ANY conclusion other than that a female strong enough to pull a
trigger would make an able warrior.
Gi
nemo_ outis
Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands down
in the toughness and grit department. The role of strength in modern war is
over-rated - how strong were those little slanty-eyed fellows in Vietnam who
whipped the US' butt?
Regards,
Jeremy Graham
> No one here has disputed that chynna is strong, she is probably stronger than
> buttfucko, yet he still beat her.
Waitaminnit... The show doesn't air 'till tonight. How do you already
know he beat her? I mean, I was just assuming it was live to air, which
probably is a bad assumption, but where did you get the results?
JG
Gichoke
Im just guessing.
It is on live tonight.
Say... you wanna bet who wins?
Ill take buttfucko, and toss you 50-1 odds.
How bout it?
And if you wanna bet on screech vs whoreshack, minute pol vs fridge or olga
coorbut vs Darva conger, you let me know.
50-1 odds on em all.
Gi
Gichoke
>
>Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands down
>
>in the toughness and grit department.
Yet they cry after watching Titanic and we watch car racing and cheer like
crazy if theirs a crash.
They yell "eek" when they see a mouse for chrissakes.
Dont be studid nemo.
P.C. crap aint for RMA.
Gi
nemo_ outis
I watched my wife get up and walk six hours after having her belly ripped open
by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
Regards,
Gichoke
>
>I watched my wife get up and walk six hours after having her belly ripped
>open
>by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
>
Thats you.
I watched my brother walk a few hours after getting his kidney cut out and a
new one stuck in.
A Csection is far less invasive.
Just a cut through the abdominal mucles, and a womens are much thinner than a
mans, plus they have less fat there.
I have had an operation where I was gutted.
No biggie, I woke that night and was fine.No pain at all.
Gi
Mark Dacascos
"Gichoke" <gic...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I really have to admire you Gichoke
You are not only an expert in fighting , but also in medicine , evolution ,
physics , maths ...
Joe Ottoson
news:acgkpf$h5j$1...@stonecold.babo.com:
> In article <20020522121045...@mb-mq.aol.com>,
> and drain deez nuts <trav...@aol.cominyrface> wrote:
>>So what? I bet they thought Joey would get his ass kicked. I mean, I
>>saw Chyna on an interview with Judith Regan or somebodyorother, one of
>>those women's interview programs. She sure talked tough and flexed
>>her biceps and went on about how she went out there and mixed it up
>>with the men and shit.
>
> but the truth is that even though she's a tough woman, she wasn't that
> great at fighting. she was built and was a decent wrestler but she
> still punched like a girl, etc.
She looked like she had terrible cardio conditioning too. Most matches
she'd be huffing about 6 minutes in. She's also lost a considerable
amount of muscle mass since when she entered the WWF.
Jeremy Graham
> Im just guessing.
> It is on live tonight.
> Say... you wanna bet who wins?
> Ill take buttfucko, and toss you 50-1 odds.
> How bout it?
Heh heh. Do I have 'sucker' tattooed on my forehead or something? Don't
answer that.
JG
caterbro
>
> Interestingly Buttfuck pounding chyna strongly suggets that it is more than
> strength that women lack in battle.
> No one here has disputed that chynna is strong, she is probably stronger than
> buttfucko, yet he still beat her.
> Why?
the only professional mixed bout was won by the woman.
Carl
Jacob Andersen
news:acgvot$6bej$1...@as201.hinet.hr...
Yeah, it's amazing really. (He does make a lot more sense than many here,
though)
/Jacob
Batman
<23874-3CE...@storefull-2276.public.lawson.webtv.net>:
>Since we`ll never ger to see CR fight this could be a great second
>choice. I just got a quick look I think his opponent is a female
>wrestler. Wednesday 8:30 PM ET on Fox.
Newsflash. Chyna aint a chick. Well, ok, maybe he's had the surgeries, but i
promise ya, chyna was born a man. Check the DNA, there is a Y chromosome in
there.
-jeff (IH)
Batman
<3CEBE300...@hotmail.com>:
I heard it on the radio like monday. I have no idea when the fight actually
went down. But hey, this is not pro boxing, what makes you think it was live?
Toughman competitions aren't live either ... so like stop betting on both
them.
Batman
<sjSG8.121160$GG6.10...@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>:
>I watched my wife get up and walk six hours after having her belly ripped
>open by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
>
>Regards,
That is impressive. I can't think of any reason I'd walk for 6 hrs straight.
Regardless of the condition of my belly. I didn't even care for standing 10-
12 hrs straight when i worked at the gas station.
-jeff (IH)
Batman
<acgvot$6bej$1...@as201.hinet.hr>:
>I really have to admire you Gichoke
>You are not only an expert in fighting , but also in medicine , evolution
>, physics , maths ...
>
You forgot about Animal Husbandry. Thats his favorite field to expand his
expertise in.
-jeff (IH)
RobRPM2222
>sure even guys like bradshaw, steve blackman, etc. can fight pretty well.
all of those guys ( with the possible exception of Bradshaw ) trained in either
amateur wrestling, MMA, or some other martial art.
They are fighters because they trained fighting before going into the WWF, not
because clotheslines are an optimal self-defense technique.
I personally hate pro-wrestling but I have to admit that people are too hard on
pro wrestlers sometimes. It's a dangerous business, even if the outcomes are
scripted. People doing the barbed wire/firecracker matches are doing something
that even most professional MMA fighters would not do, although I don't know
whether it's because they are tougher or just more messed up in the head. I can
actually kind of sympathize with the guy who smacked John Stossel for getting
all over him to say that wrestling is fake.
But professional wrestling has long ago lost the power that the old
catch-as-catch-can wrestling used to have as a legitimate form of combat sport.
Shooters are a liabilty in pro wrestling these days, not something to be highly
valued as a way to protect your turf.
However, pro wrestlers still pack on muscle and are in relatively good physical
condition, They can take pain. Some pro wrestling techniques can actually still
be applied on a resisting opponent. This gives them the advantage over the
average joe.
but pro wrestlers aren't fighters, unless they choose to become ones outside of
the world of pro wrestling.
--
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advantage pounded her and scored heavily when he easily pushed her into
the ropes. Round two Chyna hit him more frequently and probably won the
round even though Buttafucco was easily strongarming her and at one time
threw her to the mat as if she were a sack of potatoes. Round three
Buttafucco had an edge in punches and continued to push her around very
decisively again grabbing her and pushing her into a corner with ease.
One judge saw it as a tie and the other two gave Buttafucco 30-28
margin. She challanged him to a wrestling match and he was eager to
have a go. Overall Chyna looked like Arnold Stang fighting big Arnold.
In a wrestling match Joey would probably wipe her up.
Gichoke
>
>> >
>> >I watched my wife get up and walk six hours after having her belly ripped
>> >open
>> >by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
>> >
>>
>> Thats you.
>> I watched my brother walk a few hours after getting his kidney cut out and
>a
>> new one stuck in.
>> A Csection is far less invasive.
>> Just a cut through the abdominal mucles, and a womens are much thinner
>than a
>> mans, plus they have less fat there.
>> I have had an operation where I was gutted.
>> No biggie, I woke that night and was fine.No pain at all.
>>
>> Gi
>
>I really have to admire you Gichoke
>You are not only an expert in fighting , but also in medicine , evolution ,
>physics , maths ...
It's called being smart, Mark.
Gi
Gichoke
It was a setup.
They did not find an average man.
They found a 5'2" old asian guy that was 130 and had had "boxing experience"
that was this...
10 years earlier he had had 3 fights at the weight of 105.
He had lost all three by KO.
In the interim he had not laced them up.
The woman was a huge bulldyke on massive roids that was an exceptional pro.
YES some women can beat some men.
Chynna could beat Steven Hawking or Christopher Reeve.
But if you do not searh for a specific woman, then for a specific man that she
can beat, then she will lose.
Gi
sifumar...@webtv.net
did more damage. He just sort of stood away and dared her to outbox him
which she could not do to any great degree.
caterbro
> >the only professional mixed bout was won by the woman.
>
> It was a setup.
> The woman was a huge bulldyke on massive roids that was an exceptional pro.
maggie macgregor is 5-5 129. chow was 5-2 125
she was 36 and a landscaper
carl
nemo_ outis
Groan!
Reminds me of a slogan that Canadian National Railways had for their express
turbo-train: "CN makes the going great!" After numerous breakdowns wags
changed it to "CN makes the going grate!"
Regards,
.
Robert Low
>I really have to admire you Gichoke
>You are not only an expert in fighting , but also in medicine , evolution ,
>physics , maths ...
He is Gichoke. We do not admire, we fall down on our knees and
worship.
Usually.
--
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m0rdant
looks like a woman again. She is no longer the super roided out man-built
Chyna. She still looks very athletic, but I would have liked to have seen
her fighting when she still had all the muscle. I think her punches would
have bothered Mr. B a little more then. Regardless, Chyna was not a marital
artist of any sort and obviously knew very little about fighting. This
fight has nothing to do with the question "can a skilled female martial
artist defend herself against unskilled male?"
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> Both wore headgear. Chyna`s punches did not much bother the Butt; his
> did more damage. He just sort of stood away and dared her to outbox him
> which she could not do to any great degree.
>
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Saucey
If you are talking about him getting a new kidney then just to let
you know that they don't remove the old one so I very much dought your
story. Most of what you say makes sense but it is proven that men are
better with acute (sharp quick) pain but woman are far above us on
chronic (long constant) pain
Saucey
No sig as I am not that smart
Chas
> ......but woman are far above us on
> chronic (long constant) pain
Above what?
suffering in silence, performing complex tasks whilst in pain- what do
you mean?
And, what would 'enduring pain over a long period of time better'
prove; other than that they get the opportunity to endure pain longer
than their shorter lived opposites?
One of the things I've learned over a long life; feel free to scream
at your leisure.
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and drain deez nuts
>Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands down
>
>in the toughness and grit department.
Where the fuck did this happen, on TV?
>The role of strength in modern war is
>over-rated - how strong were those little slanty-eyed fellows in Vietnam who
>whipped the US' butt?
They were tough like freaking iron.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>open
>by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
>
>Regards,
I went to work after having my wisdom teeth pulled under general anesthesia.
So what? Women are weak. Apparently, so are you.
Listen, as someone who talks a lot of pompous shit, you oughta know about the
Israeli experiment with women in combat during their War of Independence. Let
me just give you a cliff's notes: they got their asses kicked - they broke
under fire and ran.
War is not about clinical behavior, much as the people would have us believe
it. You go into a real war, like Chechnya, but as the invader, not the
defender, and you see how male attributes are required. You think women could
have survived Somalia? Cuz they give birth? Every woman on earth is capable
of giving birth...the only reason it's such a big deal is because they are so
physically weak.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>Sorry Gi,
> If you are talking about him getting a new kidney then just to let
>you know that they don't remove the old one so I very much dought your
>story. Most of what you say makes sense but it is proven that men are
>better with acute (sharp quick) pain but woman are far above us on
>chronic (long constant) pain
>
>Saucey
Chronic pain is rarely as severe as acute pains are. Just wrestle with a
woman, they can't stand the contact pain and the bumps and stuff. Women are
weak, get serious.
Trav
and drain deez nuts
>> still punched like a girl, etc.
>
>She looked like she had terrible cardio conditioning too. Most matches
>she'd be huffing about 6 minutes in. She's also lost a considerable
>amount of muscle mass since when she entered the WWF.
>
Wouldn't have mattered.
Trav
Todd Christensen
> In article <20020522120605...@mb-mq.aol.com>, trav...@aol.cominyrface (and drain deez nuts) wrote:
> >>>If freakin CHYNA got beat by Joey Buttafucko, do you want women in our
> freakin
> >>>army!?!?
> >>>
> >>>Trav
> >>
> >>I dunno - what's the trigger pull on an M16?
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >
> >Yeah, that's ALL warfighting is anymore, just trigger pulls, huh? Bullshit it
> >is.
> >
> >Trav
>
> Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands down
> whipped the US' butt?
>
The NVC used women in infantry posistions. Ask my old man about it.
Motivation. The Vietnamese had been fighting for centuries. It was an
intrinsic part of the culture. They were also fighting for thier very
survival and they knew it. Tough people.
Women can certainly be tough.
My Greatgrandma ran a ranch and dairy through over 40 brutal Idaho
winters - before electricity - and had 8 kids on top of that. Story
has it her mother killed a crazed indian farm hand with an iron
cookpot of hot dye. These women of the west were tough old bitches.
My sister in-law at 90lbs was the toughest most positive little person
I have ever met. She had CF, gave birth to two huge healthy boys
against all odds, was a survivor of a brutal rape and lived far, far
longer - and far better - than the medical establishment ever
predicted. What finally took her was a bad broncoscopy tool (Class
action pending). And on her death bed I never heard her once complain
- her concerns were for everyone else.
Xena myth aside, these guys that go on blasting women to the degree
they do wonder why on earth they don't have decent relationships with
women. Gee, I wonder.
and drain deez nuts
>looks like a woman again. She is no longer the super roided out man-built
>Chyna. She still looks very athletic, but I would have liked to have seen
>her fighting when she still had all the muscle. I think her punches would
>have bothered Mr. B a little more then. Regardless, Chyna was not a marital
>artist of any sort and obviously knew very little about fighting. This
>fight has nothing to do with the question "can a skilled female martial
>artist defend herself against unskilled male?"
Then let's put any 115lb martial artist woman in there against him and let's
change the rules to MMA rules.
It would be very, very ugly. They would ban the shit the next day on account
of the misogyny it displayed.
Trav
Victor 'the Victim' Velez
> did more damage.
/humor
What's headgear got to do with damage? Everyone knows that boxing head
gear reduces brain injuries by 0%! There is a Danish study on boxing
headgear that showed headgear did _nothing_ to reduce KO's. Headgear
just, sometimes, reduces cuts. We all know these as facts, so don't
even try running any of this headgear reduced the punches impacts in
any significant way _jive_ by us, OK?
/humor off
Victor 'the punchdrunk' Velez
Yukon Cornelius
>gear reduces brain injuries by 0%!
Well, it can cut down somewhat on black eyes and cauliflower ears, so only your
brain gets squooshed.
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race me
>Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead. I would pay
> to see that, and the female boxers could always use more air time.
> Regards,
>
> -Eric
Uh don't they already have this...it's called, ummm...boxing? :)
'Vejita' S. Cousin
Gichoke <gic...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands down
>>in the toughness and grit department.
>
>crazy if theirs a crash.
>They yell "eek" when they see a mouse for chrissakes.
>Dont be studid nemo.
>P.C. crap aint for RMA.
Gi, this is only true of most women (lets say 90-95%+). I'm sure we've
all meant some weak ass, hippy, bean curd eating, 135lb guys that couldn't
fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Similarly, there are females that
can fight. They're just few in far between.
When I was in Holland I meant this women that was 5'11"/175lbs. Judo
black belt and had won several kick boxing tournaments. _SHE_ was tough.
Forget women, most men I know don't understand why I train/fight in MMA.
The average women can't beat the average guy. But there are females at
the top of the pack, that can beat men at the bottom.
It also depends on how determined you are to win. FBI stats show that
2/3 of women that fight back do no get raped. Yeah they took a beating,
but the guy was looking for an easy mark, and didn't really want to fight.
Of course, this is getings into the whole winning a fight, vs. surviving a
fight debate again.
Gichoke
>as a setup.
>
>> The woman was a huge bulldyke on massive roids that was an exceptional pro.
>
>maggie macgregor is 5-5 129. chow was 5-2 125
>
>she was 36 and a landscaper
>
SHE CUT WEIGHT FROM 140.
He bulked up to face her.
She was a professional boxer.
He was mildy retarded.
Gi
Gichoke
>
>Sorry Gi,
> If you are talking about him getting a new kidney then just to let
>you know that they don't remove the old one so I very much dought your
>story.
They DO remove it is you already had one put in so you already got three in
there.
Dought that, dumbwad.
>Most of what you say makes sense but it is proven that men are
>better with acute (sharp quick) pain but woman are far above us on
>chronic (long constant) pain
Yup.
Exactly.
Gi
Dan Paik
Victor 'the Victim' Velez <victort...@start.com.au> wrote:
>What's headgear got to do with damage? Everyone knows that boxing head
i think the purpose of the headgear was so that they could minimize facial
damage. "celebrity" boxing means that they are celebrities and their
faces are on tv, news, etc...so it's important that they don't get broken
noses, black eyes, etc. that's why the girls especially have headgear
that protect the front of their faces also.
even those that old guy that fought screech got a puffy black eye.
Dan.
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Gichoke
>What's headgear got to do with damage? Everyone knows that boxing head
>gear reduces brain injuries by 0%!
Chynna wasnt wearing headgear.
She (alone among all the fighters/idiots) was allowed to wear what was
essentially a helmet.
Gi
Joe Ottoson
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Probably not. OTOH, her now is nowhere close to her state back in the
1990's. Not a point of debate, just fact.
Giant_Attitude
> Sorry Gi,
> If you are talking about him getting a new kidney then just to let
> you know that they don't remove the old one so I very much dought your
> story. Most of what you say makes sense but it is proven that men are
> better with acute (sharp quick) pain but woman are far above us on
> chronic (long constant) pain
>
> Saucey
Where? Link?
caterbro
>
> >as a setup.
> >
> >> The woman was a huge bulldyke on massive roids that was an exceptional pro.
> >
> >maggie macgregor is 5-5 129. chow was 5-2 125
> >
> >she was 36 and a landscaper
> >
>
> SHE CUT WEIGHT FROM 140.
and yet, though he is a man, twenty pounds somehow render her unstoppable?
> He bulked up to face her.
> She was a professional boxer.
8-0-1 kickboxer, 3-0 boxer
> He was mildy retarded.
a jockey and stock analyst from VC, CA
> Gi
Carl
Edward Cha
(or stupidly unrealistic), especially since most of the females are
reed-like waifs, but for some reason these shows are always popular...
It's a nice fantasy, but ...
I don't think it's impossible, but it's definitely difficult, especially
without weapons. Looking at Asian histories for famous female martial
artists, I can barely find anybody, but China did have several female
heroines in their literature (i.e. the Water Margin), though they were no
doubt embellished to say the least. There is, of course, Wing Chun's Ng
Mui, though I'm not sure how accurate the accounts of her are. If the
accounts are true, then she is one example of a female who reached the
point where she could defeat even highly skilled men, but she DID devote
her entire life to martial arts (and Buddhism), forgoing most female things
(like marriage and hair) in the process.
I have heard of one female Bagua master of the 19th-20th century,
who is considered to have been 'one of the greats.' (Wonder if she had
any children...)
Anyone else heard of any strong women at all? (Maybe Sun Lutang's
daughter Sun Jianyun is very strong... does anyone know if she is still
alive?)
Ed
: This is why I cannot even stomach one second of those shows where the waif-like
: women beat up guys no matter HOW hot the heroines are. It's just too fucking
: unreal to stomach. And, then there are women out there who see this shit and
: think they're badass cuz GI Jane posed in some clips with some guys with
: crewcuts in the surf.
: If freakin CHYNA got beat by Joey Buttafucko, do you want women in our freakin
: army!?!?
: Trav
Giant_Attitude
> nemo_...@elsewhere.com (nemo_ outis) wrote in message news:<2XQG8.120922> Xena myth aside, these guys that go on blasting women to the degree
> they do wonder why on earth they don't have decent relationships with
> women. Gee, I wonder.
I wonder about sissy male feminists who think of women as buddies and men as lovers.
Batman
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>calvin...@ocsnet.net (Eric Neale) wrote in message
>
>>Put two female pro-boxers in the ring instead. I would pay
>> to see that, and the female boxers could always use more air time.
>>
>Uh don't they already have this...it's called, ummm...boxing? :)
Foxy boxing, unless I'm mistaken.
-jeff (IH)
harveyc
"Edward Cha" <ec...@red.seas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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>
> I don't think it's impossible, but it's definitely difficult, especially
> without weapons. Looking at Asian histories for famous female martial
> artists, I can barely find anybody,
How about the Yang Family in the Sung Dynasty whose entire army was led by
women into battle? They had Mu Guei Ying and Yang Ba Mei.
Or how about Princess Chang Ping, last of the Ming Dynasty royals, who
became a famous fighting nun?
These examples are real and not fictional.
hc
Paul Tanenbaum
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> ...
> Or how about Princess Chang Ping, last of the Ming Dynasty royals, who
> became a famous fighting nun?
Yeah, Sally Field played her in a tv series.
She didn't look very chinese though.
Guess that shows her versatility as an actress.
She hung out a lot in a casino owned by this Puerto Rican guy, which
seemed kind of a strange place for a nun to hang out.
But hey, what do I know about the social habits of Ming Dynasty royals?
> These examples are real and not fictional.
Well how do you like that -
I never realized the show was a documentary -
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easier to type.
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their crayola:
>Hies punches were horrendus, it appeard he had never thrown one before in his
>life.
True. Holy crap. "I" could have danced around Joey and read a
fucking book while I was at it.
>Yet he knocked her around easily.Winning a lopsided unanimous decision.
Someone said she used to box? Where? The school for retarded
people with no arms? I saw no form at all.
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Chas
> Someone said she used to box? Where? The school for retarded
> people with no arms? I saw no form at all.
And whined like a girl after all.
She could have shown some class. It wasn't like that was the first
time she got toppled.
Definitely 'all girl'.
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caterbro
> their crayola:
>
> >Hies punches were horrendus, it appeard he had never thrown one before in his
> >life.
>
> True. Holy crap. "I" could have danced around Joey and read a
> fucking book while I was at it.
>
> >Yet he knocked her around easily.Winning a lopsided unanimous decision.
>
> Someone said she used to box? Where? The school for retarded
> people with no arms? I saw no form at all.
she took a dive, I'm telling you. FOX had six Chippendales and four high
school swim team girls waitig in the dressing room, along with a year's
worth of HGH.
Carl
diggum
Joey: Yo. Chickies should be home pregnant, not trying to prove
nuthin 'gainst no man.
Chyna: Suck my dick.
On 23 May 2002 18:22:28 GMT, guhmin...@aol.commode (Yukon
Chas
> she took a dive, I'm telling you.
She took a whipping.
Buttafucco came out scared- Chyna had threatened to groin smack him,
punish him for infidelity and getting jiggy with a 16 yr. old
prostitute. He just hitched up his drawers and prepared to make as
good a showing as he could at 47 yrs. old against a world rated
athlete. When he found out she has a glass ass, he didn't even try to
hurt her.
nice guy- bill's paid- rehab worked.
He should retire undefeated- pick up Amy when she gets out; try to
reclaim the tatters of their lives together-
diggum
other?
Bart: Foxy Boxing?
Homer: Yes!! That's what I wanted!!
and drain deez nuts
>The NVC used women in infantry posistions. Ask my old man about it.
>Motivation. The Vietnamese had been fighting for centuries. I
The Israelis raised boys and girls together. The women still broke and ran.
I wouldn't put too much stock in what the VC supposedly did.
>My Greatgrandma ran a ranch and dairy through over 40 brutal I
Oh no, not the great grandmammy stories again.
>Xena myth aside, these guys that go on blasting women to the degree
>they do wonder why on earth they don't have decent relationships with
>women. Gee, I wonder.
Statements of fact aren't blasting women. There are tons of reasons not to
like women other than their weakness. I don't mind their weakness actually,
it's what I'm here for. If bitches were strong and tough like men, it would
sure get old getting fucked all the time by the really big ones.
Trav
Giant_Attitude
> gianta...@yahoo.com (Giant_Attitude) wrote in message news:<7d03d542.02052...@posting.google.com>...
> > to...@quesinberry.com (Todd Christensen) wrote in message news:<6c176d5a.02052...@posting.google.com>...
> > > nemo_...@elsewhere.com (nemo_ outis) wrote in message news:<2XQG8.120922> Xena myth aside, these guys that go on blasting women to the degree
> > > they do wonder why on earth they don't have decent relationships with
> > > women. Gee, I wonder.
> >
> >
> > I wonder about sissy male feminists who think of women as buddies and men as lovers.
>
>
> Yeah, I bet you do. But I'm afraid I dont go *that way*,
Well, I think that you are lying.
You claim to have the ability to know about the personal lives of
other men (who might have a stronger belief in the male ethos than you
do) simply by reading what they post to Usenet.
Well, I claim the same ability. I claim to know all about your
personal life based upon what *you* post.
>so you can
> take your hand out of your pants, there Sparky. You'll find it's
> easier to type.
But I am afraid that you would replace it with your hand. I'd not
only lose my virtue, but my wallet.
Frank Benn
>
> Hies punches were horrendus, it appeard he had never thrown one before in his
> life.
Very common, though, to see people punch that way -- whether in a
boxing/kickboxing match, or in a real fight.
People who are afraid of getting hit tend to send their arms forward, but keep
their body and head back. No shift of weight, no turn or 'send' of the
shoulder. No confidence in the punch. Sometimes they'll even throw both arms
forward at the same time, making it impossible to get any power or reach. Also a
big problem for karate people who take up boxing.
Gichoke
Brings to mind the Cleber Costa/Fabiano Iha fight.
Many people have no idea how poorly they punch until they spar, some are in
denial until they see themselves on tape.
I believe that most people just assume that punching comes naturally, and they
would have no problem throwing a shot that could seriously hurt someone, even
if they have never practiced punching once.
Though occasionaly there is an anomaly that has decent bodymechanics without
being taught them.This is rarely the case if the fighter comes from karare,
where incorrect bodymechanics are encouraged.
The style of punching that you are describing is indeed a very common one, even
fighters that can hit bags well, will often use the "no cocking" style when it
comes to sparring.
Another style is what I call "point syndrome", usually practiced by ex
karateka/TKD types, they will sacrifice anything to make the blow land, even
90% of its power.It isnt really that they dont cock it, it is just often that
they do not get their weight behind the blow.They will throw backfists while
their momentum is going to the side, or they will leap in with and extended
arm.Defense in these types usually consists of turning their back to their
opponent and running away under pressure.
Defense is a seperate subject altogether, it is hard enough to get most guys to
throw a good shot, I often dont even bother scolding them for dropping their
hand on the retraction until they can break an egg.
Gi
Rob Dueck
"nemo_ outis" <nemo_...@elsewhere.com> wrote in message
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> In article <20020522150706...@mb-fb.aol.com>, gic...@aol.com
(Gichoke) wrote:
> >> nemo_...@elsewhere.com (nemo_ outis)
> >
> >>
> >>Women are inferior to men in strength, but many I've seen beat men hands
down
> >>
> >>in the toughness and grit department.
> >
> >Yet they cry after watching Titanic and we watch car racing and cheer
like
> >crazy if theirs a crash.
> >They yell "eek" when they see a mouse for chrissakes.
> >Dont be studid nemo.
> >P.C. crap aint for RMA.
> >
> >Gi
>
> I watched my wife get up and walk six hours after having her belly ripped
open
> by a C-section. Let me tell you: I sure as shit couldn't do that!
>
> Regards,
Frank Benn
>
> Brings to mind the Cleber Costa/Fabiano Iha fight.
> Many people have no idea how poorly they punch until they spar, some are in
> denial until they see themselves on tape.
It's a good remedy. Just let them see it on tape.
Eventually people learn to just punch with boxing form and not worry so much about
getting hit or being late. If your form and timing are correct, the rest takes
care of itself.
>
> I believe that most people just assume that punching comes naturally, and they
> would have no problem throwing a shot that could seriously hurt someone, even
> if they have never practiced punching once.
I've known people who knew next to nothing about punching or boxing, but their
intent to hurt the opponent/target had them hitting with their weight behind the
shot. They knew that the right hand with weight behind it gets the job done, and
you can't hit a homerun if you don't swing through. Probably the most important
lesson in fighting, as far as attack is concerned.
You can teach technique, but you can't teach balls.
And balls are usually the missing ingredient.
This says nothing for closure or posture, but at least they're hitting through.
Another thing that causes problems -- and it's notable that I'm the one saying this
-- is the jab. The jab is usually the first punch people learn to throw. And it's
an important punch -- for movement in all directions, defense, bridging the gap,
setting up/concealing the attack. There's no doubt about its worth in a boxing
arsenal.
But it's a boxer's punch. It's not really a puncher's punch, in most forms. The
jab holds some people back. Makes them tentative. They hang back and jab, and
won't advance into their cross, which then sets the range for the hook, etc. They
won't jab affirmatively.
In other words, for some the jab is like an excuse for not having the guts to throw
anything else.
Whereas, if they first learn a good cross -- nice and straight, with full reach and
shift of weight, sweep of the shoulders, etc., -- and THEN put that cross on a
short fuse to where they can stalk with it, then they've got something. THEN on
top of that learn the jab to subordinate the cross, the stalking weapon, and
they've really got something.
Otherwise they'll use the jab such that they never turn that rear shoulder into a
cross, never commit forward. Never throw a true power punch.
On top of it all, add the hook and occasional uppercut from the forward bob
position a cross puts you in, and your punching arsenal is pretty much complete.
>
> Though occasionaly there is an anomaly that has decent bodymechanics without
> being taught them.This is rarely the case if the fighter comes from karare,
> where incorrect bodymechanics are encouraged.
>
> The style of punching that you are describing is indeed a very common one, even
> fighters that can hit bags well, will often use the "no cocking" style when it
> comes to sparring.
Exactly. They feel they're in a hurry, don't shift their weight, and don't hide
their head inside the punch.
>
> Another style is what I call "point syndrome", usually practiced by ex
> karateka/TKD types, they will sacrifice anything to make the blow land, even
> 90% of its power.It isnt really that they dont cock it, it is just often that
> they do not get their weight behind the blow.They will throw backfists while
> their momentum is going to the side, or they will leap in with and extended
> arm.Defense in these types usually consists of turning their back to their
> opponent and running away under pressure.
"Point Fighter's Syndrome" is a real problem for some. All it takes is 6 months of
karate to create a habit that can take up to two years of boxing to break.
I've identified two types, as far as boxing is concerned.
First are the ones who throw the over-reaching backhand. You mentioned that above.
Second, there are the "churning arm" punchers. This type tries to come in with
their arms moving like opposing pistons. No sweep of the shoulders, no shift of
weight. No real reach. Just pat, pat, pat, pat SMACK (counter punch from
opponent).
Frank Benn
IFA Academy
Austin, Texas