Vietnamese Kung Fu?
Devin Johnstone
was wondering if anyone knew about vietnamese kung fu, about kung fu
being practiced in Vietnam, or about places and teachers that I might
be able to see while in Vietnam?
Peace,
Devin Johnstone
BCAkfu
akin to the Japanese style.
Though, there is some showman (I say this instead of martial artist)
teaching what he says is Vietnamese Kung Fu called Than Van Do.
Anyone with half a brain and some research abilities will find that this
showman is kind of half-baked. Also, if you watch him demonstrate, and
know what real martial arts looks like, you will soon find that the half
you though was baked, is not even warm.
beware......
as far as for your trip, good luck....you probably will not get any
vietnamese to share with you (an american I am assuming)
they might teach you something, but more than likely it will either be
wrong, or extremely basic, and probably both
later......
Lionel F. Laratte
There is a Vietnamese Kung Fu school here in Philadelphia. I'll see if I can
get some infor for you.
BCAkfu
post.
I've competed against the head instructor in forms competitions, plus I've
seen him and his school demonstrate, and I've seen the school literature,
and I've read his article in Inside Kung Fu magazine. I even have him on
video from when I competed against him
I've yet to find anyone other than his students who thinks this stuff is
real.
again, beware.......
Rogue1
You may be misinformed or may have jumped the gun in stating your
comments on Vietnamese arts. Granted charlatans exist in all areas,
including the martial arts world. Since I have not witnessed this
demonstration by this gentleman from Philly, but it is plausible that he
may have been a fake.
However, I take issue with you on the wholesale condemnation and
discrediting of a Vietnamese artform. I happened to witnessed and have
seen well-trained practitioners of the Vietnamese art called Vovinam. It
is a truncated term for Vo Vietnam... literal translation: Martial Art of
Vietnam. To me, as an observer, it resembles an ecclectic form of
Chinese Gung Fu with Japanese linear movements. BTW... I believe Ta-Mo,
credited to have introduced kung fu to China was orginally from India.
It is conceiveable that his travel may have taken him through Indochina,
which describes what is now Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos.
Anyhow, I have no intention of claiming what I stated is historically
correct or for that matter, factual. I do, however, would like to
encourage responsible feedback with reasonable use of common sense.
Assuming that you're a practitioner, I would be hard pressed to think
that little gain can be accomplished by the belittling of any artform.
It is just too much like the school yard taunts: "My father can beat up
yours.." Please reconsider...
Peace!
Remi D. Khu
BCAkfu
fighting style more akin to the japanese style; my point was that it was
not kung fu.
Also, Ta Mo brought exercises to the Shaolin Temple around 500 A.D. These
exercises lead to the 18 Lohan Form which was used as martial art. Later
animal styles were developed. By 618 A.D. Shaolin was already a kick-ass
squad of young monks and helped Li Shi Ming win his battle to become first
emperor of the Tang Dynasty.
However, kung fu in China already existing all over the place. In fact,
it can be trace back to a chinese art called Go Ti from 2852 B.C., and by
around 1500 B.C. Shui Jiou (spelling???) was the Chinese national sport.
So, Ta Mo, the Indian, only helped to spawn exercised in the shaolin
temple that later turned into fighting arts, which they combined with
stuff fro travelers around the country coming to share info with them
But, because Shaolin is the mecca of kung fu, people assume that because
Ta Mo brought 'kung fu' to the temple, that he brought it to China.
Nope...
Rabbit Man
: In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.95...@viking.cris.com> Rogue1,
: Rogu...@cris.com writes:
: >> Though, there is some showman (I say this instead of martial artist)
: >> teaching what he says is Vietnamese Kung Fu called Than Van Do.
: >>
: >> Anyone with half a brain and some research abilities will find that this
: >> showman is kind of half-baked. Also, if you watch him demonstrate, and
: >> know what real martial arts looks like, you will soon find that the half
: >> you though was baked, is not even warm.
: I've seen the Vietnamese Martial artist from Philly and I thought he's
: was one of the best I've seen. (Including the International Wushu
: Competition in Balt. last month). Most of the people I was with
: (including some with decades of experience) were extremely impressed with
: him also. You never know, maybe it was a different guy. I just thought I
: should stick up for him because I was impressed. Besides, there's too
: much trashing of people on here anyway.
:
: Paul
Since I appear to bethe only one here who actually practices Vietnamese
Kung Fu...
First, about it not being kung fu... kung fu means skill and effort or
something along those lines, correct? So, really, _any_ martial art (and
many other things) are kung fu. True, it isn't Chinese kung fu (this has
been a point of some contention with Chinese judges and us in the past).
But, it is kung fu.
Second, the Vietnamese guy from Philly.. I believe the style he practices
is called Than Vo Dao, or Than Quyen. I _think_ that translates to
spirit fist, or something like that. Second, I have been in
correspondance with a couple of his students, and we believe that his
style comes from the style that I practice. And, if not, it has some
similar practices.
Third, places to find it in Vietnam... I believe that you can find them
all over. Maybe you could go to a city and ask around. Some of the
various styles of Vietnamese kung fu are Than Vo Dao or Than Quyen, Viet
Vo Dao, Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen (my style), and many others. A lot of
them have Quyen or Vo Dao in the name, so you might want to look out for
that.
If anyone has any questions, just ask.
--NMS
Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen
lan...@bah.com
>This summer I will be going on a backpacking trip to Vietnam. I
>was wondering if anyone knew about vietnamese kung fu, about kung fu
>being practiced in Vietnam, or about places and teachers that I might
>be able to see while in Vietnam?
>Peace,
>Devin Johnstone
Well to start off Vietnamese martial arts evolved from all different
kinds of art ranging from Chinese arts to Japanese arts. The systems
were taken from all the countries that had once tries to invade and
occupy it. Hence the Vietnamese had to learn those particular systems
in order to defend against them.
Vietnam does not have a particular style of their own origin only
borrowed hacked up pieced togehter stuff that evolved into their
particular style.. If anything it is closest to Chinese Kung Fu.
Lan Tran
lan...@netrail.net lan...@bah.com
lan...@bah.com
>Kung Fu is in China, not Vietnam. Vietnam does have fighting arts more
>akin to the Japanese style.
Is this your perception or have you studied the system.
Have you sparred against any of those Vietnamese guys?
Have you researched Vietnames KF and studied its origin?
Again you spewing "martial arts according to you"
Lan tran
lan...@bah.com lan...@netrail.net
Jeffrey Gass
origin but were changed over generations by the Vietnamese people to
reflect their outlook on the martial arts. My source is Master Than Tran
of Trans martial arts in High Point, NC USA. He is originaly from Da
Nang Vietnam and has taught in the states for many years now. He teaches
the Vo Lam and Than Long Phi styles of Vietnamese Kung Fu
JG
Rabbit Man
: Vietnam has several styles of Kung Fu which were originally of chinese
Could you post a description of some sort of your style? I would be
interesting in comparing various styles of Vietnamese kung fu.
Jeffrey Gass
techniques and what are called combat forms these are short two man forms
that go from two apponents squaring off to a take down submission or
ending with a strike, i believe there are 42 of the combat forms and 72
self defense techniques. Vo Lam, which is related to shoalin five animal
style, consists of empty hand forms and weapons forms in staff, nunchaku,
sword, butterfly sword, three sectional staff and whip chain. every two
empty hand forms interlock into a two man form for combat practice. Iron
palm and chi kung training are also a part of the curriculum as well as a
lot of sprarring.
JG
Jeffrey Gass
people who know more, I am a low ranking student and not totally aware of
all aspects of the style.
JG
Dan Truong
since there is a big variety in Viet Nam.
There is some that specialise in grappling
some that come from Kung Fu
Some tai chi chuan equivalents
and some styles which come from warrior peasant fighting,
which are close to muay thai (actually all the southern asian
countries have that free fighting form).
Usually vietnamese styles are hard and soft, but with an emphasis
on hard forms. There is an international federation, a few french federations
and teachers in the us where there are vietnamese (as in Orange County, CA)
Sometimes, the teachers train under the name of kung fu for commercial reasons.
There are animal styles (like phoenix, dragon, tiger...) depending on the
way you move and hit.
I know a phoenix quien (tao/kata), and it uses a lot knuckle and elbow
hits...
must go
mail me for more infos/discutions... i don't read news often
dan-
Central Library
> Vietnamese "kung fu" styles are very diverse,
> since there is a big variety in Viet Nam.
I studied Hung Gar Kung Fu from Master Luu Hao Luong in Cholon, Vn in
1966 to 1967. I was very impressed with the discipline and physical
training that he demanded from his students. I would be interested in
finding his whereabouts. I remember that Judo and Karate were popular in
downtown Saigon.
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Rabbit Man
: Dan Truong (dtr...@irisa.fr) wrote:
: > Vietnamese "kung fu" styles are very diverse,
: > since there is a big variety in Viet Nam.
:
: I studied Hung Gar Kung Fu from Master Luu Hao Luong in Cholon, Vn in
: 1966 to 1967. I was very impressed with the discipline and physical
: training that he demanded from his students. I would be interested in
: finding his whereabouts. I remember that Judo and Karate were popular in
: downtown Saigon.
did a Chinese style in Vietnam, which is not the same thing. Some
Vietnamese styles are Nga Mi Son Phat Gia Quyen (mine :)), Than Quyen,
Than Vo Dao, Viet Vo Dao, etc. BTW, why were you in Vietnam in 66-67?
Were you in the war?