Another thing I was wondering about.
Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King and Emperor of All the Universe
How do they get the badger to relinquish the bristles?
I like badgers, I'd hate to think one died just so I could have a shave.
I like pigs too, but I also gotta eat, so pig bristle brushes aren't a
problem.
st...@seatraveler.com
The problem is that you're not looking at the big picture. "Like" or
"dislike" doesn't enter the picture. Take, for instance, the lowly
green pea. Its sole 'reason for being' is to be eaten. If you don't
eat your green peas, their lives have no meaning! Empty. Hollow.
Unfullfilled. All that's left for them is to be stuffed back into the
ground to redo the entire cycle again until they DO get eaten.
Same with badgers. Do you really believe that they were put on this
earth by our Supreme Being just to dig up bugs and worms? NO!! NO!!
NO!! They were put here for making fine badger hair shaving brushes,
and if you switch to pig bristles, those poor badgers will have empty
lives....
Steve Kramer
"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
Chiang Mai, Thailand
http://www.photoenvisions.com
MatthewK
Yep, they kill them first. :) I think the ones they use are rather large
russian variety. I could be wrong, the silver tip ones come off of a
certian section. I think they might even farm the critters.
Badgers are cool until you tick one off. :)
that and weasels.....
matthew
ohio
Scar...@webtv.net
>toad...@beeb.net
>(Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King
>and Emperor of All the Universe)
As someone who has attended Art school and has used and bought a lot of
brushes, Let me state this unequivocally. There is a dirty little secret
in the Brush business. Unless the bristle material is cheap and
abundant, You usually aren't getting the the stated material.
For instance, you are not --repeat-- are not getting a hair like sable
in your brushes unless you pay a mucho Pounds, Lira, Francs, Pesos,
Marcs, Yen, Bat, Rupees, Rubles, Euros, or Dollars for them. Chances
are it's Pig, Cow, Deer, or Horse hair. I don't think Camel hair brushes
were ever made from Camel hair...ever. There are a lot of artist
brushes sold as "Red Sable" and unless you buy expensive you are getting
good old fashioned weasel / marten hair.
If your an artist you can tell the real deal by using them.
I don't shave so I don't know shaving brushes, Did you pay a lot of
Moolah for the brush? Badgers carry disease so they aren't harvested for
meat. (or am I confusing the badger with another scavenging animal?) so
there is no way there is an abundance of the hair on the market.
There are coats and jackets being sold in the US coming from Asia with
fur trim or collars and accents that are being listed as fake fur or
rabbit fur and it turns out it's really domestic dog and cat fur! One of
the cable news stations had some genetic testing done and it was Fluffy
and Rover!
Chas
<For instance, you are not --repeat-- are not getting a hair like sable
in your brushes unless you pay a mucho Pounds, Lira, Francs, Pesos,
Marcs, Yen, Bat, Rupees, Rubles, Euros, or Dollars for them. Chances
are it's Pig, Cow, Deer, or Horse hair. I don't think Camel hair brushes
were ever made from Camel hair...ever. There are a lot of artist
brushes sold as "Red Sable" and unless you buy expensive you are getting
good old fashioned weasel / marten hair.>
Squirrel is popular; rabbit, goat, mohair sheep- it's graded by stiffness,
and the various animal names like 'sable' are about the firmness of the
hair. The expense is in the assembly- the placement of the various types of
hair into the brush, and fixing them against solvents and wear. There are
stiffer hairs to the center, softer on the outside- can get quite complex in
really good brushes.
Talk about sticker-shock! As you, I went in to buy my brushes for Art
School- I had no idea the expense. You could drop a thousand dollars just to
get rolling- and that's not even for 'best quality' or unusual size; just a
good workman studio set.
And I was **pissed** when I found out it wasn't actually 'Russian Sable', or
'Red Squirrel' <g>
<I don't shave so I don't know shaving brushes, Did you pay a lot of
Moolah for the brush? Badgers carry disease so they aren't harvested for
meat. (or am I confusing the badger with another scavenging animal?) so
there is no way there is an abundance of the hair on the market.>
They're trapped wild for fur- and not particularly uncommon. Badger pelt
doesn't ice up, so it's used for edging parka hoods a lot- up until a few
years ago, the parka-hood-fur for the US military was Badger- the only
non-synthetic material in the whole parka.
I think the Scots have a way to prepare badger, but I don't think even the
Chinese will eat them otherwise- supposed to be a foul meat.
<There are coats and jackets being sold in the US coming from Asia with
fur trim or collars and accents that are being listed as fake fur or
rabbit fur and it turns out it's really domestic dog and cat fur! One of
the cable news stations had some genetic testing done and it was Fluffy
and Rover!>
They also eat them- available in the marketplace as food animals.
Using them for fur is a good idea- they've used the fur for felt for ages.
We use rabbit mostly, but any fur/hair will do. I would presume that any
felt out of China would contain 'pet' fur.
Chas
Chas
>>They're trapped wild for fur- and not particularly uncommon. Badger pelt
>>doesn't ice up, so it's used for edging parka hoods a lot-
> Is this the same stuff, and if so, just which species are we really
> talking about?
It's the same stuff- there have never been sufficient wolverines to supply
such a need, it's always been badgers. A wolverine would need a
significantly stronger trapping mechanism than needs a badger. Most trappers
would dread trapping a wolverine by accident.
North American badgers are significantly larger than British badger. I'm
going by the size of the face on the ones used for the Scots' belt bags.
No idea about the species names.
>>I think the Scots have a way to prepare badger,
> I doubt the Scots would eat them, but there are tales of Gloucestershire
> and particularly the Forest of Dean (the English Appalachians) where
> badger hams change hands around the back of pubs.
The other, other, white meat.
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Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King and Emperor of All the Universe
"Andy Dingley" <din...@codesmiths.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 00:11:48 -0700, "Chas" <chascl...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>><Scar...@webtv.net> wrote
>><For instance, you are not --repeat-- are not getting a hair like sable
>>in your brushes unless you pay a mucho Pounds,
>
> of a Taklon's head ?
>
>
>>And I was **pissed** when I found out it wasn't actually 'Russian Sable',
>>or
>>'Red Squirrel' <g>
>
> quills 8-)
>
>
>>Badgers carry disease so they aren't harvested
>
>
> Here in Europe, genuine badger (meles meles) shaving brushes are fairly
> common and affordable, if not cheap. The badgers are mostly from Eastern
> Europe. The UK government murders thousands of badgers a year by
> gassing, in a fatuous attempt to excuse the farming industry's failure
> to address widespread TB in dairy cattle. I don't think any of these
> supply hair though. We also lose a vast number of one year old boars as
> roadkill (this is the age when they set off in search of new
> territories).
>
>
>>They're trapped wild for fur- and not particularly uncommon. Badger pelt
>>doesn't ice up, so it's used for edging parka hoods a lot-
>
> Is this the same stuff, and if so, just which species are we really
> talking about?
>
>
>
> and particularly the Forest of Dean (the English Appalachians) where
> badger hams change hands around the back of pubs.
So that's how Fred West turned out the way he did.
Andy Dingley
King and Emperor of All the Universe" <toadfish@(nospam)beeb.net> wrote:
>> I doubt the Scots would eat them, but there are tales of Gloucestershire
>> and particularly the Forest of Dean (the English Appalachians) where
>> badger hams change hands around the back of pubs.
>
>So that's how Fred West turned out the way he did.
Them weren't badger...
st...@seatraveler.com
The "Catch of the Day" on the A3?
Andy Dingley
> > Them weren't badger...
>
> The "Catch of the Day" on the A3?
Worse. Web search "Fred West"
Veronica Karlsson
> Lachlan - Grand Exalted Most High King and Emperor of All the Universe wrote:
> >
> > Badger bristle shaving brushes.
> > How do they get the badger to relinquish the bristles?
> > I like badgers, I'd hate to think one died just so I could have a shave.
> > I like pigs too, but I also gotta eat, so pig bristle brushes aren't a
> > problem.
>
> The problem is that you're not looking at the big picture. "Like" or
> "dislike" doesn't enter the picture. Take, for instance, the lowly
> green pea. Its sole 'reason for being' is to be eaten. If you don't
> eat your green peas, their lives have no meaning! Empty. Hollow.
> Unfullfilled. All that's left for them is to be stuffed back into the
> ground to redo the entire cycle again until they DO get eaten.
>
> Same with badgers. Do you really believe that they were put on this
> earth by our Supreme Being just to dig up bugs and worms? NO!! NO!!
> NO!! They were put here for making fine badger hair shaving brushes,
> and if you switch to pig bristles, those poor badgers will have empty
> lives....
Oooh! More interesting religious theories! :-)
(Not sure what Dave will think of this one though.)
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>> Same with badgers. Do you really believe that they were put on this
>> earth by our Supreme Being just to dig up bugs and worms? NO!! NO!!
>> NO!! They were put here for making fine badger hair shaving brushes,
>> and if you switch to pig bristles, those poor badgers will have empty
>> lives....
They make wonderful sporrans too! See:
http://www.sporrans.com/fullmask.html
http://www.katemacphersonsporrans.co.uk/pages/badger.html
http://www.sporrans.com/badger.html
http://www.licensetokilt.com/Full_Mask_Sporrans-Badger_Tassel_Sporran.html
http://giftshop.scottishtartans.org/sporran_mask.html
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deowll
"Nomen Nescio" <nomen...@invalid.net> wrote in message
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Well somebody posted that the Sammari (sp) used to use them for undies.
Nomen Nescio
>
> Well somebody posted that the Sammari (sp) used to use them for undies.
I seem to recall something about Badgers in Japanese folklore/myth, but I
can't offhand remember what it was.
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MatthewK
I'm to lazy to look it up, but I think in the "hagakure" it recomends
going on long campains with bager underwear to keep away the fleas. I
guess you can't take a bath three times a day in the field to get rid of
the blood suckers. :)
matthew
ohio
st...@seatraveler.com
> I'm to lazy to look it up, but I think in the "hagakure" it recomends
> going on long campains with bager underwear to keep away the fleas. I
> guess you can't take a bath three times a day in the field to get rid of
> the blood suckers. :)
I wonder if it was worn with the bristles inside or out. I can see
difficulties either way. Bristles in and you get this intense craving
to shave your crotch. Bristles out and.... well, you get the idea.
That may explain all the 'camp followers.'
MatthewK
> I wonder if it was worn with the bristles inside or out. I can see
> difficulties either way. Bristles in and you get this intense craving
> to shave your crotch. Bristles out and.... well, you get the idea.
> That may explain all the 'camp followers.'
>
Apparently I'm still nieve in my youth, I would like to stay this way for
sometime. So if you would, don't explain that last part to me. :)