What are Ed Fowler knives like??
ERSCHTKNVS
I know that for dressing game you count how many animals you can do befor you
have to put a lick or two with a steel .
Hint you will need 10-20 deer,elk,ect to get started.
ED SCHOTT
mel sorg
They stay sharp for a long time. The 52100 ball bearing steel
Ed uses is some of the best stuff out there in that regards. If
you are buying direct from him, expect some questions, since he
makes his knives with sheephorn handles that are made right and
left handed, and for different sized hands.
I think the blade shapes are a little funky, and he gets a
hefty price for his work, but he has a lot of customers, and has
been using the same designs for years.
madpoet
Stephen wrote:
>
> I am considering buying an Ed Fowler knife for hunting
> not really concerned with the shape, but how does the edge hold up
> Do they stay sharp for a long time???
> Stephen
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邢 唷��
Brownie
uses 52100 ball bearing steel for his non damascus knives. They will
rust if not cared for, but they are almost indestructable. He has a
video two hours long that shows him making these. They will sharpen
easily when dulled[which takes quite awhile]. He makes them for right or
left hand use, and needs to know before he starts. There is usually a
wait for these. Contact him re: delivery and pricing. He will call or
write you when he is about to make the blade, and then send a picture of
finished kinfe for your approval. Don't worry if you don't like it for
any reason. He'll sell it immediately to someone who won't have to wait.
Good luck in your search and order from Ed. -------Brownie
TomW
You aren't likely to find anything that holds an edge BETTER.
For a knife that has a nice look and will do a days work it's an excellent
choice.
tom
Stephen <mr_me...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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mel sorg
Didn't mean to rattle your cage there. I have nothing against how
Ed's knives work. It was just my observation that to my eye the
designs looked funky, clunky, chunky.....if they work, they work.
madpoet
FO wrote:
>
> Funky might describe some types of music, but certainly not Ed Fowlers
> blades that have been tested in real use conditions, day after day, and
> year after year.
>
> FO
>
> mel sorg <mel...@wcta.net> wrote in article <3656CE...@wcta.net>...
> > Steve,
> > They stay sharp for a long time. The 52100 ball bearing steel
> > Ed uses is some of the best stuff out there in that regards. If
> > you are buying direct from him, expect some questions, since he
> > makes his knives with sheephorn handles that are made right and
> > left handed, and for different sized hands.
> > I think the blade shapes are a little funky, and he gets a
> > hefty price for his work, but he has a lot of customers, and has
> > been using the same designs for years.
> >
> > madpoet
> >
> > Stephen wrote:
> > >
> > > I am considering buying an Ed Fowler knife for hunting
> > > not really concerned with the shape, but how does the edge hold up
> > > Do they stay sharp for a long time???
> > > Stephen
> >
> > --
> > 邢 唷�-
邢 唷��
FO
blades that have been tested in real use conditions, day after day, and
year after year.
FO
mel sorg <mel...@wcta.net> wrote in article <3656CE...@wcta.net>...
> Steve,
> They stay sharp for a long time. The 52100 ball bearing steel
> Ed uses is some of the best stuff out there in that regards. If
> you are buying direct from him, expect some questions, since he
> makes his knives with sheephorn handles that are made right and
> left handed, and for different sized hands.
> I think the blade shapes are a little funky, and he gets a
> hefty price for his work, but he has a lot of customers, and has
> been using the same designs for years.
>
> madpoet
>
> Stephen wrote:
> >
> > I am considering buying an Ed Fowler knife for hunting
> > not really concerned with the shape, but how does the edge hold up
> > Do they stay sharp for a long time???
> > Stephen
>
> --
> 邢 唷��>
Greg Johnson
he prints. Didn't know he had a video. sure would like to get it.
THANKS.
Brownie wrote:
>
> Stephen, I have a Fowler hunter. It stays extremely sharp. He presently
> uses 52100 ball bearing steel for his non damascus knives. They will
> rust if not cared for, but they are almost indestructable. He has a
> video two hours long that shows him making these. They will sharpen
> easily when dulled[which takes quite awhile]. He makes them for right or
> left hand use, and needs to know before he starts. There is usually a
> wait for these. Contact him re: delivery and pricing. He will call or
> write you when he is about to make the blade, and then send a picture of
> finished kinfe for your approval. Don't worry if you don't like it for
> any reason. He'll sell it immediately to someone who won't have to wait.
> Good luck in your search and order from Ed. -------Brownie
>
> Stephen wrote:
>
> > I am considering buying an Ed Fowler knife for hunting
> > not really concerned with the shape, but how does the edge hold up
> > Do they stay sharp for a long time???
> > Stephen
--
Greg Johnson
Mount Vernon, IL
Chas
> Didn't mean to rattle your cage there. I have nothing against how
> Ed's knives work. It was just my observation that to my eye the
> designs looked funky, clunky, chunky.....if they work, they work.
Funky, clunky, chunky is absolutely appropriate- the little wire inlay
branch or whatever looks like it was done as a Vacation Bible School
arts & crafts project. So what they 'work'- anything better than a
dollar pack of Schick razor blades is an affectation anyway- at least I
want to look forward to good craftsmanship. His primary appeal is that
he wrote free articles for the mags about cutting stuff in Montana;
cool.
Seems like a nice enough fellow, but you can get comparable knives just
about anywhere.
You want a good Montana knife, get a Ruana-
Chas
RL
a number of years. I really like the knife and I can tell you from
experience it cuts great and holds an edge very well. On numerous occasions
I have dressed out and skinned several large animals without the need to
resharpen the knife - this includes quartering large elk. I have numerous
quality blades to compare it to (Mad Dog, Randall included) and I believe
this is my sharpest and best cutting knife.
Granted it isn't the most aesthetically pleasing knife, but it is very
practical. The only thing I don't like about it is the sheep horn handle. I
am pretty hard on knives and tend to abuse them in the field, hence my
aversion to any natural handle materials. I would prefer it if the knife
had a synthetic handle such as G10 or micarta or Mad Dog's material. I have
to admit it though, I never took care of the handle (cleaning and waxing)
until a hunting partner of mine told me you need to care for natural
handles (horn, stag, etc.), and up to that point it was holding up well.
Would I buy another one ? Sure, if I could get it for half the price they
are now. I have to admit, I find it hard to dish out that kind of money for
a knife I am going to abuse. If I recall correctly, I saw an ad for one of
his knives (not the same model as mine) and I think it was about $750. I
think it was called an Iron Mistress or Maiden and for $750 it didn't LOOK
too special - and for $750 you expect to get something that at least looks
like a $750 knife.
mel sorg <mel...@wcta.net> wrote in article <365746...@wcta.net>...
> Hey,
> Didn't mean to rattle your cage there. I have nothing against how
> Ed's knives work. It was just my observation that to my eye the
> designs looked funky, clunky, chunky.....if they work, they work.
>
> madpoet
>
> FO wrote:
> >
> > Funky might describe some types of music, but certainly not Ed Fowlers
> > blades that have been tested in real use conditions, day after day, and
> > year after year.
> >
> > FO
> >
> > mel sorg <mel...@wcta.net> wrote in article <3656CE...@wcta.net>...
> > > Steve,
> > > They stay sharp for a long time. The 52100 ball bearing steel
> > > Ed uses is some of the best stuff out there in that regards. If
> > > you are buying direct from him, expect some questions, since he
> > > makes his knives with sheephorn handles that are made right and
> > > left handed, and for different sized hands.
> > > I think the blade shapes are a little funky, and he gets a
> > > hefty price for his work, but he has a lot of customers, and has
> > > been using the same designs for years.
> > >
> > > madpoet
> > >
> > > Stephen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am considering buying an Ed Fowler knife for hunting
> > > > not really concerned with the shape, but how does the edge hold up
> > > > Do they stay sharp for a long time???
> > > > Stephen
> > >
> > > --
Chas
> If I recall correctly, I saw an ad for one of
> his knives (not the same model as mine) and I think it was about $750. I
> think it was called an Iron Mistress or Maiden and for $750 it didn't LOOK
> too special - and for $750 you expect to get something that at least looks
> like a $750 knife.
Absolutamundo!!
I am constantly amazed that (whom we would usually think of as equipment
freeks) will spend such high money when there are excellent knives
sitting next to it at 1/2 the price.
When you hump every ounce, unless you have an overweening need to show
up with a prybar, most of the 'tactical' knives won't make the grade.
Look at the really great bivouac knives- the Randall #1, now look at the
prybar- Model 14 step forward. You *better* hope you ride around in a
plane, cause walking around with one at your waist will make your pants
fit funny. And the 14 is a far cry from some of the Schwartzenegger 3/8"
straight slab abalone pickers they turn out now- what utterly frivolous
'knives'.
A $750 knife should reflect some *work*- It can't have more than about
$25 worth of materials, another $10 for consumables- where's the beef?!
Spend your money wisely- your tired old butt will thank you-
Chas
FO
for. Have you used Ed Fowlers blades for game, as they were designed for ?
Have you taken any large game in North America and field dressed the same,
and compared results with other knives ? The cost of a knife is very
expensive if you purchase it more than one time. Show me a knife that will
perform better !
FO
Chas <gryp...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<3658D98C...@worldnet.att.net>...
Trister K
on the table (of course, that was friday . . .)
I think he's an interesting maker, when I first saw pictures of his knives I
thought I'd never seen an uglier knife, but having handled them and read his
thinking - and seen a bunch more and handled them (they feel MUCH better then
they look) - I'm inclinded to think that he makes a superb knife which springs
from his own, very strong, design sense. Put an Ed Fowler blade on a table with
100 other knives and you'll be able to pick it out instantly, this is true of
few other makers. He has said that he is trying to produce a superb working
knife for the sort of conditions he encounters around his Montana ranch and I'm
inclined to think he's succeded. Taken all in all, despite some off-putting
opinions, I give him full credit for going his own way and making very fine
blades - at least he's not turning out loveless copies and randall knockoffs .
. .
Jeffry Johnston
Nope.
: Have you taken any large game in North America and field dressed the
: same, and compared results with other knives?
Yep (when taken out of context).
: Show me a knife that will perform better !
: FO
That's a tough one. :/ Better how?
All I can say for sure is I made knives from (free;) power hacksaw blades
from work and they hold an edge pretty good at 9.5 fracture grain size
(all non-boroned HSS is 9.5 :) and Nicholson reported to me theirs were
M2 and 63-65HRC.
I've approached that level of edge retention with my carbon steel blades
by making them extra hard. (all the magazine experts say way-too-hard! :)
Ed Fowler's method of heat treatment is a step forward for homemade
knives. From my limited experience tho, hardness seems to be the final
word in edge retention. How hard are ED's knives? The MadDog was
mentioned as not quite as good and that brings me to my second pet
peeve... edge thickness. :( A "fightin knife" like a MadDog, I wouldn't
expect to cut worth a dang without a major edge thinning job first.
(I call that "hand work", some call it "fixin what ain't broke")
How thick is your knife?
Measure the thickness of the blade about 1/8" back from the edge with
a micrometer (several places along the edge) and post the results.
(.012" to .018" is good :)
As always that's my opinion and it's only worth what you paid for it. :)
Alvin Johnston <--libertarian
ps- for those complaining about Ed's prices... look at it this way...
they are a real good deal, if you don't buy one an IRS swat team won't
come after you for the money. :)
RL
FO <floyd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<01be16b5$7084de00$5758480c@mr.-man>...
> The real test is in the using of the knife in the environment it was made
> for. Have you used Ed Fowlers blades for game, as they were designed for
?
> Have you taken any large game in North America and field dressed the
same,
> and compared results with other knives ? The cost of a knife is very
> expensive if you purchase it more than one time. Show me a knife that
will
> perform better !
>
> FO
>
I don't know if you read my earlier post, but I own an Ed Fowler blade and
as I stated in my post, it is the best cutting knife I own(and I have many
high end blades) It is my primary hunting blade and has been used to dress
and skin numerous animals. I was always amazed at how well it cut and
maintained an edge.
I've had the knife for quite a number of years and I don't think I paid
much more than $250 for it (I could be wrong, but I'm sure that is a good
ballpark figure). One of the points I was trying to make is the cost of his
knives now. I pointed out that I had seen a rather recent ad for another
model of his knives that was about $750. That knife (no matter how good an
edge it holds) doesn't LOOK like a $750 knife. For that kind of money you
could buy a REALLY nice knife from numerous makers (D Holder, Tommy Lee,
Jerry Fisk<maybe>, Larry Harley, and the list goes on and on). Those guys
would sell you a great knife that was BEAUTIFUL. Granted beauty is in the
eye of the beholder, but at least you would get something with filework,
fancy handle materials, engraving, etc. that at least looks like an
expensive knife and performs as well. And let's be honest, how many of you
would take your new $750 knife out in the woods with you on a hunting trip
and dress and skin game with it? How many of you would even be willing to
put the knife on a sharpening stone to touch up the edge?
Ed makes great using knives, but he has priced himself out of the using
knife category. I'd bet fewer than 10% of the knives he sells are ever used
(and I'd bet that is a conservative figure). Would I like another Ed Fowler
blade? Sure if I didn't have to buy it :-)
The price issue is a trend in the knife industry that pisses me off. If you
make using knives, why not charge a reasonable price? If you make fancy
"artsy" knives, fine charge whatever you want. The people who buy them
aren't going to use them anyway. I know this is going to touch off some
debates! (especially what is considered reasonable--- knifemakers vs knife
using public)
One bright note about this price issue is that it is good for the new, up
and coming knifemakers. There are plenty of guys out there (without the
name recognition) that make great knives that are reasonably priced. I
guess once these guys make it big, you can forget about buying a knife you
plan on using from them. I guess their work moves to the collectible
category also.
HRLY BLADE
> think the blade shapes are a little funky, and he gets a
>hefty price for his work, but he has a lot of customers, and has
>been using the same designs for years.
HEY!! let me write a one page add for my self every issue of blade and i,d
have that maney customers too!!!!!!
harley
harley
E. Paul Mayhan
> HEY!! let me write a one page add for my self every issue of blade and i,d
> have that maney customers too!!!!!!
> harley
Maybe after that we could have a heated discussion about your heat
treating methods on the knife-list!
--
E. Paul Mayhan- Any resemblance to any normal person, living or dead,
is purely coincidental.
mel sorg
them at that price even if you become famous??? I've heard those same
questions from customers at shows since I started to go to them again.
One of the charter members of the club that sponsored the last show I
was at came up to my table and apologized profusely for overspending
somewhere else, so that he didn't have any money left to purchase
something. He left, saying that he looked forward to seeing me at the
next show in the spring.
The other thing he said was basically, I hope you have a few of these
hunters with you again, and that you keep the same 'reasonable' price
structure.
I think its interesting that some makers seem to listen less to what
their customers want, than to the little voices that keep telling you
that all this art stuff is where the money is at. So what if folks like
what you're making....don't you know that folders are hot, or neck
knives are hot.....or swords are hot....so you drop everything , and
loose your customers in the bargain, then blame them for not wanting to
pay for something that they can't use anyway.
madpoet
madpoet
RL wrote: ( Snip )
>
> Ed makes great using knives, but he has priced himself out of the using
> knife category. I'd bet fewer than 10% of the knives he sells are ever used
> (and I'd bet that is a conservative figure). Would I like another Ed Fowler
> blade? Sure if I didn't have to buy it :-)
>
> The price issue is a trend in the knife industry that pisses me off. If you
> make using knives, why not charge a reasonable price? If you make fancy
> "artsy" knives, fine charge whatever you want. The people who buy them
> aren't going to use them anyway. I know this is going to touch off some
> debates! (especially what is considered reasonable--- knifemakers vs knife
> using public)
>
> One bright note about this price issue is that it is good for the new, up
> and coming knifemakers. There are plenty of guys out there (without the
> name recognition) that make great knives that are reasonably priced. I
> guess once these guys make it big, you can forget about buying a knife you
> plan on using from them. I guess their work moves to the collectible
> category also.
--
邢 唷��
dr-m...@primenet.com
I don't know Mr. Fowler. I read Blade mag. I've liked most
of his articles, a couple I wasn't thrilled with. Seems to know what
he's doing, and he's been at this knife game a hell of a lot longer
than I have.
As far as his column in Blade bringing him customers, you bet
it does. I write for a few publications, and yes, I do get clients
from those publications who otherwise wouldn't know about me, or
wouldn't even contact someone like me.
And yes, I know that will be part of the outcome of my
columns. And yes, that *is* part of the reason I write them.
What is also true is that, regardless of the above, I do the
best I can in every article. I make every effort to give people
information which can make thier lives better. And I really do care
about the people who read my column, and few things give me more joy
than when someone comes up to me somewhere and says "man, your cloumn
really helped me out...."
I don't know if Ed Fowler feels the same way, but its hard not
to.
My real point is about what he's charging for his work. My
thought: If people are buying it in quantities that you're happy
with, and you're making enough money to keep you satified, then you're
not charging to much. Period. Supply and demand.
The exception to this would be if Mr. Fowler were forcing
people to buy his knives at gun point. If he's not, then it all boils
down to personal desire, and opinion.
Just an opinion.
Caveat emptor.
Marty
IF WHAT YOU'RE DOING ISN'T WORKING -- DO SOMETHING ELSE!
Martin Finkelstein, Ph.D.
dr-m...@primenet.com
Matthew Rapaport
RL <Lr...@nomail.net> wrote:
>
>One bright note about this price issue is that it is good for the new, up
>and coming knifemakers. There are plenty of guys out there (without the
>name recognition) that make great knives that are reasonably priced. I
>guess once these guys make it big, you can forget about buying a knife you
>plan on using from them. I guess their work moves to the collectible
>category also.
You've hit the nail on the head here. I think this is exactly what happens.
Knives that might be perfectly useable become collector pieces because
their makers have become famous and well known. Really nothing wrong
with that, except that it becomes a big disappointment to the prospective
buyer who has just been priced out of the market by the maker's fame.
Some makers make it a point (no pun intended) to keep their prices
reasonable, even when they become relatively famous. Newt Livesay comes
to mind (see some of his stuff on www.wickedknife.com I think), but
then you end up with a different sort of problem. Newt's knives are
very reasonably priced for their quality. Now try and get one! I think
the guy has a couple of years of orders stacked up...
--
The difference between theory and practice is that in theory,
there is no difference, but in practice, there is.
matthew rapaport *-KD6KVH-* m...@crl.com
TomW
> Ed makes great using knives, but he has priced himself out of the using
> knife category. I'd bet fewer than 10% of the knives he sells are ever
used
> (and I'd bet that is a conservative figure). Would I like another Ed
Fowler
> blade? Sure if I didn't have to buy it :-)
>
exception being the tacticals.
Tom
Russell Kay
>
>> HEY!! let me write a one page add for my self every issue of blade and i,d
>> have that maney customers too!!!!!!
>> harley
But harley -- you'd have to use capital letters!
(BTW, I enjoyed talking with both you and Ed Fowler at the NY Knife Show.)
============================
Russell Kay, Worcester, MA
==== russ...@bix.com ======
Matt Harildstad
> I seriously doubt if !0% of any custom knives are actually used. With the
> exception being the tacticals.
> Tom
I would estimate that roughly 70% of the knives I make are used. Believe me,
if a hunter buys one at a gun show, it's gonna get used.
There are a lot of custom makers who make utility patterns specifically so
they will be used. Most don't get a lot of press because the knives are
utititarian in nature, and not necessarily of huge interest to the
magazines. That's not a criticism of the mags, they need to present the new
and exciting to keep the market growing and vibrant. The basic hunting and
kitchen patterns are just that - basic.
A few makers who come to mind are: Wayne Hendrix, Del Corsi, Ed Storch,
George Tichburne, Bob Robson, Bob Patrick, Bob Lay, Gene Martin. Some of
these people are full time makers and sell knives in the 100 to 250 dollar
range.
Matt Harildstad
http://www.planet.eon.net/~matth
Marvin Edgeworth
>
>thought: If people are buying it in quantities that you're happy
>with, and you're making enough money to keep you satified, then you're
>not charging to much. Period. Supply and demand.
>
> The exception to this would be if Mr. Fowler were forcing
>people to buy his knives at gun point. If he's not, then it all boils
>down to personal desire, and opinion.
>
> Just an opinion.
>
> Caveat emptor.
>
> Marty
>
>IF WHAT YOU'RE DOING ISN'T WORKING -- DO SOMETHING ELSE!
>
>Martin Finkelstein, Ph.D.
>dr-m...@primenet.com
Last I heard this was a free-market economy (if you don't get too big
and successful, and get a LOT of enemies, at least). If a knife-maker starts
getting a long waiting list with what he's making, the most reasonable way
to get the list back to a reasonable delivery time is to charge more. This
is called the law of supply and demand, and is a well-respected rule of
economics.
There are a few makers who keep their prices stable and just stop taking
orders (A. T. Barr a year or so ago comes to mind). As for these, if I want
a knife from that maker, I just thank my good luck, but I do not in ANY way
disparage those who raise their prices. If the knives look butt-ugly, don't
work well, are made of 440A, cost $2,000 each, and he's selling more than he
can make, well, the maker must be doing SOMETHING right, and more power to
him.
Joe Talmadge
> Last I heard this was a free-market economy (if you don't get too big
> and successful, and get a LOT of enemies, at least). If a knife-maker starts
> getting a long waiting list with what he's making, the most reasonable way
> to get the list back to a reasonable delivery time is to charge more. This
> is called the law of supply and demand, and is a well-respected rule of
> economics.
Well, I agree with the entire quoted paragraph. However, I don't think
this addresses the core issue being discussed here, because the issue is
not "is it ethical/rational/etc. to raise the price in response to
demand?"
Let's look at it from a *user's* point of view. When I have two knives,
and one knife is more expensive than the other, I expect the more
expensive one to be "better" somehow. By "better", I mean better
performance, or better materials, or better aesthetics, or better fit &
finish, etc. Now as a guy who buys custom knives, I know that I need to
expect diminishing returns. I know a $300 probably isn't going to
perform twice as good as a $150 knife. However, returns may dimish, but
I expect *something* out of the more expensive knife OTHER THAN THE NAME
ON IT.
When someone asks if X's knife is "worth it", he often gets lectured
about how value is determined by the market, and the fact that X gets
his price and in fact has a waiting list for his knives means the knife
is "worth it". I believe, however, the person asking isn't really
questioning the market forces involved here. If he's a knife USER, what
he really wants to know is, to what extent do I experience dimishing
returns versus less expensive knives that aim to fulfill the same
purpose? What he wants to hear is, what if anything about a $5000
Loveless hunter makes it worth that much more than a $750 Fowler hunter
makes it worth that much more than a $400 David Boye hunter? Is there
something in the performance, or am I paying more strictly because
that's what the market has determined the name on the knife is worth?
This question, "is X's knife worth it", is a performance-based question,
not a fair market value question, and I believe everyone out there knows
it, and simply chooses to fall back to market answers when there's no
good performance-based one!
Marvin Edgeworth
the market question. I've gone to the last few Guild shows, and, thanks very
much to the FAQs here, looked and tested the goodies I've found there. If I
find a good 'newbe', I'll frequently find his prices increased 50% next
year. And he's getting it. So - go to the shows, read the FAQ (particularly
the liner-lock section - thanks, A.T.), and get there firstest with the
mostest (did someone say that already ?).
Looking forward to the Las Vegas Classic (in Feb) and the New Orleans
Show in July ( I really hope they got a good deal - I suppose it COULD have
been in August) already.
Jeffry Johnston wrote in message <73iije$16d$3...@nnrp03.primenet.com>...
>: This question, "is X's knife worth it", is a performance-based question,
>: not a fair market value question, and I believe everyone out there knows
>: it, and simply chooses to fall back to market answers when there's no
>: good performance-based one!
>: Joe
>: j...@cup.hp.com
>
>To me, being uneddjukated, that question is a market based question.
>"Is that knife any dangged good?" is a performance based queastion.
>"is that knife worth anything?" could be answered in $$ or how good
>it cuts. Or my favorite answer... "what you'll give me for it"
>
>At one point in time that cow's lips were "worth" the same per pound
>as the best part... the rib steaks! :)
>
>Alvin Johnston <--libertarian
>ps- wanna argue steak? :)
Matthew Rapaport
>Marvin Edgeworth wrote:
>
>This question, "is X's knife worth it", is a performance-based question,
>not a fair market value question, and I believe everyone out there knows
>it, and simply chooses to fall back to market answers when there's no
>good performance-based one!
>
Knives straddle a strange line between tool and art. The normal
performance/price curve doesn't apply to art. But once you realize
this, that you can get a $200 knife that performs as well as a $700+
knife, the question becomes why do you want that $700 knife? If its
because you want to show and have a knife by a maker who can command
such prices, who is to say you are wrong to buy it? On the other hand,
if you are looking for pure performance, why do you want, or insist
upon buying knives from the maker who has crossed the line from tool
to art?
Jeffry Johnston
: not a fair market value question, and I believe everyone out there knows
: it, and simply chooses to fall back to market answers when there's no
: good performance-based one!
brian w edginton
wrote:
>This question, "is X's knife worth it", is a performance-based question,
>not a fair market value question, and I believe everyone out there knows
>it, and simply chooses to fall back to market answers when there's no
>good performance-based one!
>
>Joe
>j...@cup.hp.com
Sheesh, Joe.........wish I had said that. Been trying to say it for
several years but it never sounded right.
Thanks
Brian W E
ICQ # 21525343
Email ed...@lis.net.au
Tom Hoaglund
factor. Now two other things take over aesthetics and collectibility. Is
it more appealing to the eye? Or does it have the "beanie baby" factor?
Why else would people pay hundreds of dollars for those stupid dolls?
Tom
brian w edginton wrote in message <36ebcedb...@news.lis.net.au>...
TomW
We can beat this issue to a pulp but the bottom line can be answered with a
few simple questions and answers.
Do his knives cut and hold an edge? hell yes as good as any and better than
most.
Are they worth the money? hell no like MOST custom knives they're over
priced.
Is that last $1000 custom knife that I purchased worth $1000? Well is was
to me since I bought it but is it REALLY worth $1000? Hell no even though
it's the going price for a knife of that style and maker. If you like it
and want that's what you have to pay.
Tom
TomW
Tom Hoaglund <Hoaglund....@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<73ik5g$k...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> Once you reach a certain level of performance in a knife, it is a
negligible
> factor. Now two other things take over aesthetics and collectibility.
Is
> it more appealing to the eye? Or does it have the "beanie baby" factor?
> Why else would people pay hundreds of dollars for those stupid dolls?
>
> Tom
>
Or poorly constructed sloppy fitted knives?
Tom W
Why did there yuppies push the price of cigars up so high that us regular
folks can't afford to smoke them? :-)
brian w edginton
<Hoaglund....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Once you reach a certain level of performance in a knife, it is a negligible
>factor. Now two other things take over aesthetics and collectibility. Is
>it more appealing to the eye? Or does it have the "beanie baby" factor?
>Why else would people pay hundreds of dollars for those stupid dolls?
>
>Tom
>
Actually, Tom Hoagland........I did not write a great deal of what
seems to be attributed to me , above..
I can foresee a time when we will be taking legal action against other
usenet contributors for careless and misleading "snipping".
Let us be a bit more carefull........for the sake of accuracy, if not
legality.
I try to be carefull in what I write.....and it is quite irritating
to see my quotes taken out of context and mixed up with other stuff.
Howsabout we all try to post replies that only include as much
original text as is necessary to make the reply meaningfull ?
And if Thomas Hoagland was not responsible...........see what I bloody
mean ????
Tom Hoaglund
single F...... thing from it. Next A.. Hole learn how to read and retain
what you read. You can not even spell my name! Finally A.. Hole, it is A..
Holes like you that run people off from this news group with your continual
flames when you actually have no clue about what you speak!
BTW it is considered courteous to put your replies at the top to you do not
force people who have been following the tread to reread your drivel.
The post I responded to is included in it's entirety below.
It was from Brian W Edgington posted at 9:47 PM on 11/25/98
The single ">" means text carried forward from a previous message.
The double ">" means text carried forward from two messages ago.
Tom HOAGLUND
get a life and stop looking for fights.
what follows is the post i responded to in it's enirity.
****************************************************************************
******************************************************
Kevin Wilkins
hunter to cut off his ear? :-)
I'm always willing to listen to offers for the knives I make, and hey, if
anybody wants to offer MORE than the asking price, well, why not. We can deal
in that direction. I think my work is worth more than I'm asking. But I can't
spend money I'm THINKING ABOUT. I have to have it in my greedy little hands...
So money still talks and sh*t still walks...
If nobody was willing to pay Mr. Fowler's prices, he'd either keep his knives
or lower the prices. If his customers think the prices are ok, I'm sure that's
the only justification he needs. It's good enough for me too.
> Matthew Rapaport wrote:
>
> > SNIP
> > Knives straddle a strange line between tool and art. The normal
> > performance/price curve doesn't apply to art. But once you realize
> > this, that you can get a $200 knife that performs as well as a $700+
> > knife, the question becomes why do you want that $700 knife? If its
> > because you want to show and have a knife by a maker who can command
> > such prices, who is to say you are wrong to buy it? On the other hand,
> > if you are looking for pure performance, why do you want, or insist
> > upon buying knives from the maker who has crossed the line from tool
> > to art?
>
> SNIP
--
Kevin Wilkins
Ultima Ratio Regis • Berlin
http://www.wilkins-knives.com
TomW
Kevin Wilkins <kv...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in article
<365D7B39...@berlin.snafu.de>...
> in that direction. I think my work is worth more than I'm asking. But I
can't
> spend money I'm THINKING ABOUT. I have to have it in my greedy little
hands...
> So money still talks and sh*t still walks...
>
As a collector I derive a lot of pleasure or entertainment from looking at
ALL the knives at a show. There are plenty of well made knives that should
be selling for more than they are when compared side by side to knives from
a person with a more well known name. Just as there are many that should
be selling for less.
But the quality,unfortunately, isn't always what determines the price.
That's the knife game.
Keep making knives and keep trying to make every one better than the one
before and maybe if you're lucky your name be up there and you can sell
your knives for 4 times what they're worth.
Tom
brian w edginton
<Hoaglund....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>First A.. Hole look at the post directly before mine. I did not snip a
>single F...... thing from it. Next A.. Hole learn how to read and retain
>what you read. You can not even spell my name! Finally A.. Hole, it is A..
>Holes like you that run people off from this news group with your continual
>flames when you actually have no clue about what you speak!
>
>BTW it is considered courteous to put your replies at the top to you do not
>force people who have been following the tread to reread your drivel.
>
>The post I responded to is included in it's entirety below.
>It was from Brian W Edgington posted at 9:47 PM on 11/25/98
>The single ">" means text carried forward from a previous message.
>The double ">" means text carried forward from two messages ago.
>
>Tom HOAGLUND
>
>get a life and stop looking for fights.
>
Wow !
Sorry if I offended......but I did not think it was all that
offensive.
Butchered posts can be irritating sometimes and can lead to
misunderstandings. My post was a plea for caution and I did finish
with an acknowledgement that you may not have been to blame.
Sorry about misspelling your name....there is a lot of that around .
Like, f'rinstance, many people put a second "g" in my surname Doesn't
bother me, though.
Brian W Edginton
Jeffry Johnston
: <Hoaglund....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >First A.. Hole look at the post directly before mine. I did not snip
: >a single F...... thing from it. Next A.. Hole learn how to read and
: >retain what you read. You can not even spell my name! Finally A..
: >Hole, it is A.. Holes like you that run people off from this news group
: >with your continual flames when you actually have no clue about what
: >you speak!
: >Tom HOAGLUND
: >get a life and stop looking for fights.
: Wow !
: Sorry if I offended......but I did not think it was all that
: offensive.
: Butchered posts can be irritating sometimes and can lead to
: misunderstandings. My post was a plea for caution and I did finish
: with an acknowledgement that you may not have been to blame.
: Sorry about misspelling your name....there is a lot of that around .
: Like, f'rinstance, many people put a second "g" in my surname Doesn't
: bother me, though.
: Brian W Edginton
Wow! (again ;)
That sure enough was civil of you Brian Edginton!
I nominate: Brian W Edginton for the "Vincent (VT) Civility Award"!
Anybody second that? :)
Alvin JohnsTon <--libertarian
Dana Vibberts
<jef...@primenet.com> wrote:
Heck, I'll second AND third it! The man has true class. I would have
come back with all burners set to crisp. There was no call for that kind
of language.
Dane
--
Don't Trend On Me!
brian w edginton
>> Wow! (again ;)
>>
>> That sure enough was civil of you Brian Edginton!
>> I nominate: Brian W Edginton for the "Vincent (VT) Civility Award"!
>>
>> Anybody second that? :)
>>
>> Alvin JohnsTon <--libertarian
>
>Heck, I'll second AND third it! The man has true class. I would have
>come back with all burners set to crisp. There was no call for that kind
>of language.
>Dane
Thanks, fellas.
Is there a trophy ?
Brian W E
Tom Hoaglund
facts.
My original response was to a post by Brian and I did not snip a single
thing out of it. If you look back at the thread you would see that. Let me
restate that. My response contained Brian's previous message in total. If
anything was altered in the text it was done by he or someone previous. He
had control of the message I responded to and ergo the text in my message.
I do not take kindly to being scolded like a child by someone I neither know
or respect. He spelled my name out in full twice in his response and at the
end said by the way if Tom Hoagland (sp) did not do this then whoever did
should be more careful. This attack was aimed directly at me with a back
door for him to slink through if called on his words. I would like to offer
I was not irresponsible, just offended. Brian was the irresponsible one.
Yea, lets give him an award for not "turning both burners on crisp" when the
whole mess was his to start with. Makes sense to me.
Maybe my response was an over-reaction, but I do not take kindly to being
threatened. I think threatening litigation before two people have tried to
resolve their differences is asinine and cowardly.
Tom
brian w edginton wrote in message <36633fb0...@news.lis.net.au>...
brian w edginton
<Hoaglund....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>When you guys get done with the atta boys and high fives lets look at the
>facts.
>
>My original response was to a post by Brian and I did not snip a single
>thing out of it. If you look back at the thread you would see that. Let me
>restate that. My response contained Brian's previous message in total. If
>anything was altered in the text it was done by he or someone previous. He
>had control of the message I responded to and ergo the text in my message.
>
>I do not take kindly to being scolded like a child by someone I neither know
>or respect. He spelled my name out in full twice in his response and at the
>end said by the way if Tom Hoagland (sp) did not do this then whoever did
>should be more careful. This attack was aimed directly at me with a back
>door for him to slink through if called on his words. I would like to offer
>I was not irresponsible, just offended. Brian was the irresponsible one.
>
>Yea, lets give him an award for not "turning both burners on crisp" when the
>whole mess was his to start with. Makes sense to me.
>
>Maybe my response was an over-reaction, but I do not take kindly to being
>threatened. I think threatening litigation before two people have tried to
>resolve their differences is asinine and cowardly.
>
>Tom
>
I cannot help myself.....I must post this although I should let the
whole ridiculous matter drop or take it to email.
However.......
So I misspelled your name twice. Why do you not misspell mine just one
more time and then we will be even on that point, at least.
As for my " threat" of legal action, I can only suggest that you take
your own advice on reading and retaining. I suggested that, in the
future, I would not be surprised if people started taking legal
action against each other over misquotes on the 'net. If my words
meant something else to you, you should apply for work in translating
ancient
documents in dead languages......your creative language skills would
be invaluable.
And , with your insight into the thought processes of others, you may
have a future in psychology.......the way you found the secret meaning
of my comment (which you have misquoted) regarding the possibility
that someone else could have done the careless snipping was quite
remarkable. I fully expected readers to believe I thought someone else
may have been "to blame". Nothing like being able to read between the
lines, eh, Tom ?
In summary, I still regret having carelessly offended you with my,
largely, tongue in cheek remarks.
I do think, however, if you cannot take the cut and thrust of life on
Usenet without "overreacting" like a petulant child, you should
consider another hobby. Or at least, get someone else to read the
suspect posts before jumping to conclusions and making one of those
"A. Hole" things of yourself in public.
This is supposed to be FUN, after all.
Jeffry Johnston
: >When you guys get done with the atta boys and high fives lets look
: >at the facts.
I move that before we look at the facts we get in our pickups and go
shoot some road signs!!!!! :)
Do I hear a second? :)
: >I do not take kindly to being scolded like a child...
: >Tom
Ya I know what ya mean buddy it's tough livin at home and havin your
mom on your case all the time. :(
: I cannot help myself.....I must post this although I should let the
: whole ridiculous matter drop or take it to email.
: However.......
Brian I'm disappointed in you now.
Can't you tell this is a 10 year old trolling for attention?
: I do think, however, if you cannot take the cut and thrust of life
: on Usenet without "overreacting" like a petulant child, you should
: consider another hobby.
Oh.... sorry Brian you -did- know it was just a kid.
: This is supposed to be FUN, after all.
: Brian W E
This -is- fun Brian! :)
Alvin Johnston <--libertarian
ps- Tom H, how old are you?
Tom Hogglands
> When you guys get done with the atta boys and high fives lets look at the
> facts.
>
> thing out of it. If you look back at the thread you would see that. Let me
> restate that. My response contained Brian's previous message in total. If
> anything was altered in the text it was done by he or someone previous. He
> had control of the message I responded to and ergo the text in my message.
>
> I do not take kindly to being scolded like a child by someone I neither know
> or respect. He spelled my name out in full twice in his response and at the
> end said by the way if Tom Hoagland (sp) did not do this then whoever did
> should be more careful. This attack was aimed directly at me with a back
> door for him to slink through if called on his words. I would like to offer
> I was not irresponsible, just offended. Brian was the irresponsible one.
>
> Yea, lets give him an award for not "turning both burners on crisp" when the
> whole mess was his to start with. Makes sense to me.
>
> Maybe my response was an over-reaction, but I do not take kindly to being
> threatened. I think threatening litigation before two people have tried to
> resolve their differences is asinine and cowardly.
>
> Tom
>
> >
> >>> Wow! (again ;)
> >>>
> >>> That sure enough was civil of you Brian Edginton!
> >>> I nominate: Brian W Edginton for the "Vincent (VT) Civility Award"!
> >>>
> >>> Anybody second that? :)
> >>>
> >>> Alvin JohnsTon <--libertarian
> >>
> >>Heck, I'll second AND third it! The man has true class. I would have
> >>come back with all burners set to crisp. There was no call for that kind
> >>of language.
> >>Dane
> >
> >
> >Thanks, fellas.
> >Is there a trophy ?
> >
What is your problem Hoaglund?
Someone you quoted believed he was misquoted, and he made an effort to ensure that there was no misunderstanding. He was polite, and you called him an asshole. The only asshole involved was the one you made out of yourself.
No one threatened you with litigation. No one could possibly consider what you have to say that important.
-Tom Hogglands