RecDotKnives Commemorative Knife
LETH'R
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
> Hi Ya'll.
>
> One thought that occurred to me today, (hey, it happens, sometimes;-),
> is that a rec.knives commemorative knife might be a fun thing to
> commission. (Hey, if various and sundry knife clubs can commision
> limited edition knives, then why can't we?)
>
> My q to you all, is how many of you would be serious enough about
> wanting a limited edition rec.knives knife to actually make it
> worthwhile to inquire about having such a thing commissioned??
> That's the primary q for now.
>
> A secondary q, would be, what would you want such a thing to be? Maybe
> a locking modern Sunfish? or a liner locking damascus Trapper? or how
> 'bout a lightweight ATS-34 "Bird and Trout" suitable for neck carry?
> Or....???
How about a nice short sword by "BOB"? That'll say KNIFE better than
anything I can think of(of course, swords are just about all I can think
of anyway) :->
Mike P. Swaim
Hi Ya'll.
One thought that occurred to me today, (hey, it happens, sometimes;-),
is that a rec.knives commemorative knife might be a fun thing to
commission. (Hey, if various and sundry knife clubs can commision
limited edition knives, then why can't we?)
My q to you all, is how many of you would be serious enough about
wanting a limited edition rec.knives knife to actually make it
worthwhile to inquire about having such a thing commissioned??
That's the primary q for now.
A secondary q, would be, what would you want such a thing to be? Maybe
a locking modern Sunfish? or a liner locking damascus Trapper? or how
'bout a lightweight ATS-34 "Bird and Trout" suitable for neck carry?
Or....???
How much would you actually be willing to pay for such a thing,
assuming quality manufacture?
Do you know of any high quality knife manufacturers that would be open
to building a relatively small run of commemorative, (see how neatly I
just bypassed the 'handmade', 'factory-made' issue? ;-) knives for us?
I realize that I'm opening a potential "can of worms" again, but
thought it worth asking. I can even envision a different "Rec.knives"
Knife, for each year, (or something like that).
Jeremy Tavan
LETH'R (no...@nowhere.com) wrote:
: How about a nice short sword by "BOB"? That'll say KNIFE better than
: anything I can think of(of course, swords are just about all I can think
: of anyway) :->
Well, I would think that (given my (possibly incorrect (but even so,
stated)) impression of this group that the majority of users would prefer
a knife that one could carry every day) (was that a deep-enough-nested
set of parenthesis?) a non-sword might be preferable. Actually,
though, a thought just hit me. Many locations bar the carrying of
knives save for religious purposes. One could make a set of small
swords (maybe a tanto or wakizashi pattern) with rec.knives stamped
on it. Then, one could claim to be a knife worshipper and as such,
said sword is legal carry. I really don't mean to insult anybody
with that statement. Please don't be offended. There are lots of
worse religious focuses than knives!
Greg Reid
A nice folder, 3-3.5 blade, $50-$100 with corresponding quality, sure
I'd buy one.
Greg
James & Toni Mattis
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
> Hi Ya'll.
>
> One thought that occurred to me today, (hey, it happens, sometimes;-),
> is that a rec.knives commemorative knife might be a fun thing to
> commission. (Hey, if various and sundry knife clubs can commision
> limited edition knives, then why can't we?)
>
have some trouble commissioning anything. If some manufacturer sees the
interest and does a small run "on spec," they are taking a business
risk. What is the smallest number of knives knives that a given factory
can produce in a limited edition run and make money? And how many hard
core knife nuts are there in rec.knives? Which number is larger?
An "Internet" edition "not sold in stores" might have a slightly broader
market, than the a rec.knives edition. The blade would, of course, be
etched with the company's URL as well as a reference to rec.knives. I
might pay a few bucks more than the usual discount retail for one. I
would pay *a bunch* more for a special edition to benefit the GRASS
ROOTS KNIFE LOBBY that doesn't exist yet.
There's a lot of talk about Benchmade folders here. How about an Eclipse
(the forthcoming shorter version for legal carry in paranoid places),
plain edge for the folks who hate toothy edges, with a *beige* Zytel
handle to match most of our desktop computers. :-)
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"Nobody without me can be everybody!" - Walt Kelly
damien haas
Joe Talmadge
> One thought that occurred to me today, (hey, it happens, sometimes;-),
> is that a rec.knives commemorative knife might be a fun thing to
> commission. (Hey, if various and sundry knife clubs can commision
> limited edition knives, then why can't we?)
> My q to you all, is how many of you would be serious enough about
> wanting a limited edition rec.knives knife to actually make it
> worthwhile to inquire about having such a thing commissioned??
> That's the primary q for now.
> A secondary q, would be, what would you want such a thing to be? Maybe
> a locking modern Sunfish? or a liner locking damascus Trapper? or how
> 'bout a lightweight ATS-34 "Bird and Trout" suitable for neck carry?
> Or....???
I myself cannot use such a thing. I only carry sterile knives,
because when I go out knifefighting on the weekends, and I ditch my
knife, I don't want a way for the fuzz to track the knife back to me.
Hah hah! Nothing like a little knife-fighting humor to lighten things
up!
Seriously, it sounds like a nice idea. If you go with a factory
knife, keep in mind some places (like Cutlery Shoppe) will do custom
engraving for you at a reasonable (?) price.
Todd O. Morken
Joe Talmadge <j...@cup.hp.com> wrote in article
<5lqkuv$ic$1...@hpax.cup.hp.com>...
how about that "new" tanto BenchMade is showing at the BLADE show, I'm not
sure what such a thing would cost (probably frightning) but Mark might
enlighten us on the relative cost of such a project. I for one would be
very interested in buying one.
the KnifeCenter idea is a good one too, and probably less expensive, a
experimental or maybe a Micro Tech SO/MA , maybe even a AFCK or something
along that line, since it seems to get the vote for best all-around. Just
that I could use a little extra incentive to drop the $$ on the Micro Tech
:)
Great Idea
Todd Morken
sni...@btigate.com
brian w edginton
On 19 May 1997 06:57:33 GMT, eld...@shell02.ozemail.com.au (damien
haas) wrote:
>I think this is a nice idea. I have learnt a lot from this newsgroup. I
>think a 3 inch folder would be ideal. Mark me down as a definite if it
>gets underway. Cost @$50 would be reasonable.
>
With the coverage Benchmade gets here, maybe they will put their
corporate hand up.........
Whoever does, I will take one if the price is ok.
Then...AG is into this low volume stuff.
Brian
Carl J. Paulsen
I think we should consider being satisfied with a Buck or other low-cost
brand to keep that price down. We don't want to start with a knife that
costs 50 bucks already and then add design/production costs again.
Carl.
Mike P. Swaim
James & Toni Mattis <jkm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Rec.knives isn't an organization with a checking account, so it would
>have some trouble commissioning anything. If some manufacturer sees the
>interest and does a small run "on spec," they are taking a business
>risk. What is the smallest number of knives knives that a given factory
>can produce in a limited edition run and make money? And how many hard
>core knife nuts are there in rec.knives? Which number is larger?
I was wondering when someone would bring that up. ;-) It was one of
the first things that I thought of. I don't see it as any big
obstacle, but it very well may preclude us from doing anything with
one of the larger knife factories. That's OK. One of several of the
rudimentary goals that I see this project as being able to fullfill is
the showcasing of up and coming knife makers. I really don't care that
the major dept. store names couldn't be bothered. I'm more interested
in trying for something more unique.
That brings me to mention the notion, that I'd sorta envisioned
something considerably different from just getting some factory to
engrave "Rec.knives" on one of their production pieces for $50.
I was thinking more along the lines of getting some of the smaller
knife makers to give us an idea how much semi-custom spec knife we
could get for ~$100. I see this as doing two things. One, it would
give us a truly limited edition, (that would be one of the proposed
conditions), knife to enjoy, and two, it would give the knifemaker
some buisness, and one heck of a thing to put on a buisness card.
"Maker of the 1997 "Rec.knives" Knife." (or such)
Josh B. mentioned that his first rec.knives sale netted about 70
customers. I'd be surprised if there aren't some knifemakers who would
jump at the chance to make 1/2 that many commision knives. I know that
some of these guys go to shows in hopes of just selling a handful of
knives, and for that, they have to book lodgings, and pay for travel
and have knives on hand from stock. This would allow them to just make
one specific design as ordered. Estimated time of delivery, is
something that we'd have to negotiate.
What I need from you all is an indication that there are enough of you
interested to make the first round of calls, and recommendations for
who to call. What up and coming knifemakers have you used that you
would heartily reccomend?
I don't see much buisness risk, either to the knifemaker, or to the
potential purchaser. At least, not any more risk than either party
normally enters into when arranging any non-stock knife. I know that
there have been several incidences of large factories making very
small runs for some knife clubs, but I'm not even proposing anything
that grand. I was thinking more along the lines, of having us come up
with an agreed upon design, and rough price, and having the knifemaker
make them on a per order basis, the same as she would normally do for
other semi-custom work. The bennefit to the knifemaker is the repeated
buisness on a known pattern. I would think that there would be several
small knifemakers that would probably like the opportunity to showcase
their wares in this fashion. Depending on the success of this first
go-round, we might even want to pick a different knifemaker every
year.
>An "Internet" edition "not sold in stores" might have a slightly broader
>market, than the a rec.knives edition.
Not to me it wouldn't. Wouldn't have the same, "down the road"
potential for eventual collectability. That notion that the
'Rec.Knives' Knife, would just possibly become sought after, played a
major part of my suggesting this in the first place. I realize that's
a gamble, but it just happens to be an area where my interests
coincide.
>The blade would, of course, be
>etched with the company's URL as well as a reference to rec.knives. I
>might pay a few bucks more than the usual discount retail for one. I
>would pay *a bunch* more for a special edition to benefit the GRASS
>ROOTS KNIFE LOBBY that doesn't exist yet.
Remind me to NEVER tell you what background and experience led me to
this group!!! It could be hazardous to my spare time, again. ;-)
>There's a lot of talk about Benchmade folders here. How about an Eclipse
>(the forthcoming shorter version for legal carry in paranoid places),
>plain edge for the folks who hate toothy edges, with a *beige* Zytel
>handle to match most of our desktop computers. :-)
I really resist the idea of simply getting a lightly modified version
of an existing factory knife. That's why I mentioned some unusal types
like a locking Sunfish, or a damascus, liner locking Trapper. I'm not
under any delusions that we'll necessarily be able to get either of
those types, and still keep the price affordable, but I wanted to
convey the notion, of something out of the ordinary.
As far as price goes, between email and group posts, I've read
everything from $50 to $300. I think that for this first one, we might
want to keep the price more mainstream, but seriously doubt that we
can do much with less than about $100 per unit. (Although, I'd love to
find out different.;-) I would propose that as reasonable, for
something truly functional and unique. I would also strongly suggest
that if possible, we have this first one be a folder. I don't know if
that will fit in with keeping it affordable, but that would seem to
have the most appeal to the most people on this group. Just some
suggestions.
MPS
Tim Flanagan
To even consider using a low-end (sorry for that Nimrod) knife as a
starting point is looking in the wrong direction. If you really want
something like this produced, it's gonna cost more than $50, probably in
the area of 2 to 4 times as much for something that's quality. I don't
know about the rest of you, but I've kind of given up on the cheaper
knives and moved upscale in the quality department. Maybe I've been
spoiled by the increasing quality of the BM and Spydies, but I'd only
consider buying a RK knife if the quality was on a par with these. I
don't want to shell out cash for a cheaper steel with shoddier
workmanship and get it engraved just to keep the cost down. Better not
to do it. I can buy my own AFCK, spend $5 getting "Rec.Knives 1997
Knife" on it and say I've got the only one. Wanna buy it for $500? I'd
rather shell out a bit more and get something that's quality, but is
also unique, or at least limited enough that I won't see it offered on
PVKAT for $40 less than I paid for it. Would an engraved current
production model fit the bill? Not for me, thanks. Swaim's got a good
idea- let's see if anybody comes up with an up-and-comer knifemaker
who's interested in showcasing his skill and talent, while at the same
time keeping it somewhat affordable to the likes of this ng. I think
you'd end up with something inferior if you hit below the $100 mark.
Note I said "you," because I wouldn't buy a brand-new, inferior
collectible. That's my read on this.
--
Regards,
Tim
Tim Flanagan
thomas wilkinson wrote:
>
> Ever see the BM that Dave Lewis
> of Classic Cutlery had re-handled in
> exotic materials? Real Pretty
> TW
Actually, I've seen them, and gosh, if they ain't pretty. That's not a
half-as, uhh, half-bad suggestion! ;-) Maybe have somebody etch the
blades or burn into the handles (then again, maybe not; maybe laser
etch?) the rec.knives thing or Jim's Grass roots thing. Although that
sounds like a Willie Nelson concert.... If anybody wants ideas on what
Tom and I are talking about, email me and I'll scan the stuff and fire
it back at whomever wants it.
> Tim Flanagan <tm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
> <33827B...@worldnet.att.net>...
--
Regards,
Tim
damien haas
Carl Donath
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
> I'm more interested
> in trying for something more unique.
Sure. In a group that's half knife-makers, it's silly to merely go have
a high-volume blade etched with "rec.knives".
> What I need from you all is an indication that there are enough of you
> interested to make the first round of calls, and recommendations for
> who to call.
I'll buy one!
> Remind me to
<snip> :-)
> tell you what background and experience led me to
> this group!!!
Ok, tell us! Please! (It's always those things that people don't want to
discuss that others most want to hear.)
> That's why I mentioned some unusal types
> like a locking Sunfish, or a damascus, liner locking Trapper.
Hmmm, suggestion: linerlock folder, damascus blade, non-black handle
(damascus or interesting design), 2.45" blade, no serrations,
thumb-opening. Must be highly functional for any of the group's
interests, and remain totally legal in all circumstances.
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thomas wilkinson
Ever see the BM that Dave Lewis
of Classic Cutlery had re-handled in
exotic materials? Real Pretty
TW
Tim Flanagan <tm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
Mike P. Swaim
Carl Donath <don...@ei.kodak.com> wrote:
>Hmmm, suggestion: linerlock folder, damascus blade, non-black handle
>(damascus or interesting design), 2.45" blade, no serrations,
>thumb-opening. Must be highly functional for any of the group's
>interests, and remain totally legal in all circumstances.
My first reaction to your proposed blade length was despair, but I see
the logic behind it, and the notion is growing on me. A good design
would be a blend of "old" and "new", since this group is about
discussing one of man's oldest tools through use of one of man's newer
tools. ;-)
How 'bout a single clip damascus blade, linerlock, "Barlow" design
with some form of attractive, modern stable handle material, and a
single nickel silver bolster? The "barlow" design is both suggestive
of times past, but is also quite simple and utilitarian. A damascus
version would be elegant, and would serve to remind some that the term
"barlow" is not synonymous with shoddy $2 gas station knives.
That design would also allow the knifemaker to pass along savings from
not having to do two bolsters, and would give greater area to showcase
some attractive handle material.
Just a suggestion. Perhaps I'm putting the cart before the team in
even attempting to "spec" a knife before we find out just how many
might be interested, and in how many knifemakers might also be
interested. It's quite possible that there's not enough interest to do
this thing. Or at least not enough like-minded interest. It's also
quite possible that there's enough interest to do several different
knives at different price/interest points. YOU tell me.
I've been advised that a ~$100 "Sunfish" semi-custom pattern may not
be beyond achievability. So perhaps other designs. Until we actually
can contact some knifemakers with our desires, it's moot. Send me your
picks for recomended custom knifemakers who you've had good experience
with in the past.
Steve Harvey
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of getting some of the smaller
> knife makers to give us an idea how much semi-custom spec knife we
> could get for ~$100.
This sounds like a great idea. We could order some blades from Bob
Engnath and have someone build them. That would get us a high quality
semi-custom for about the price you mention.
How much time do you have on your hands now that tax season is over, Mr.
Mattis? Enough to crank out 50 rec.knives knives? For those of you who
haven't seen his web site, James does wonders with a Blades-N-Stuff
blade, and I like his logo, too. Plus, he could add on the knife lobby
premium himself! I would go for one just like Uncle Esau's. What
Blades-N-Stuff catalog number is that, James?
I like the fixed up Benchmade idea too.
Harv
Carl Donath
Tim Flanagan wrote:
> Maybe have somebody etch the
> blades or burn into the handles (then again, maybe not; maybe laser
> etch?) the rec.knives thing or Jim's Grass roots thing.
Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like. Imagine
rec
.
knives
cut right through the blade! Have someone redo the handle real nice, and
maybe (if possible?) have Spyderco do the blade in damascus and we'd
have a real nice pocketknife that fits all my aesthetic and legal
requirements.
David Stotts
In article <5lvg83$7...@camel1.mindspring.com>,
Mike P. Swaim <mi...@cphl.mindspring.com> wrote:
...
>
>How 'bout a single clip damascus blade, linerlock, "Barlow" design
>with some form of attractive, modern stable handle material, and a
>single nickel silver bolster? The "barlow" design is both suggestive
>of times past, but is also quite simple and utilitarian. A damascus
>version would be elegant, and would serve to remind some that the term
>"barlow" is not synonymous with shoddy $2 gas station knives.
>That design would also allow the knifemaker to pass along savings from
>not having to do two bolsters, and would give greater area to showcase
>some attractive handle material.
>
The "barlow" pattern is indeed nice and classic. I have been personally
considering buying one of the Schatt&Morgan "tear-drop jack" knives
in the current special issue.
You can see this pattern at http://www.k-c-c.com/schatt&morgan1997/index.html
on A.G.Russel's site. It is a beauty, and would qualify as "barlow"
like in my mind. That style, one blade, damascus, linerlock, would be
a nice knife.
Dave Stotts
p.s. the English Jack pattern on the Schatt&Morgan page is really
nice too. But it has two bolsters. I like the slightly longer
blade and the slightly thinner handle. Maybe the English Jack size,
but with one bolster?
David Richards
In article <338300D9...@ei.kodak.com>,
Carl Donath <don...@ei.kodak.com> wrote:
>Hmmm, suggestion: linerlock folder, damascus blade, non-black handle
>(damascus or interesting design), 2.45" blade, no serrations,
>thumb-opening. Must be highly functional for any of the group's
>interests, and remain totally legal in all circumstances.
I like the suggestion of "computer beige" for the handles- I wonder if
anybody makes beige zytel?
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Jerry Cupples
> How 'bout a single clip damascus blade, linerlock, "Barlow" design
> with some form of attractive, modern stable handle material, and a
> single nickel silver bolster? The "barlow" design is both suggestive
> of times past, but is also quite simple and utilitarian. A damascus
> version would be elegant, and would serve to remind some that the term
> "barlow" is not synonymous with shoddy $2 gas station knives.
> That design would also allow the knifemaker to pass along savings from
> not having to do two bolsters, and would give greater area to showcase
> some attractive handle material.
I like that idea. I'd prefer it to be fairly small and elegant, something
to carry in my pants pocket making a hole in the bottom. Say about a 2.5
inch blade is enough.
I'd put money up front if a dependable dealer/maker was behind it.
Jerry
mel sorg
So, we don't want a 'production' knife with a rec.knives logo. We do
want a:
-small straight knife, either custom, or built on a Engnath
blade, or maybe even something like a Dozier Straight Personal
or Whittler (close to the $100 benchmark....maybe A.G. would
give a group/bulk rate..then have them etched with a logo?)
-folder, customized Boye, Spyderco, etc. with logo
-custom folder, short, damascus, titanium, thumb stud or hole,
barlow, drop point, otherwise unique design.....mucho denaro!
I've been watching how it took almost an act of congress for the
knife-list guys to decide on the design for their list knife,that would
be displayed as a group at some future show, then auctioned or otherwise
sold and proceeds donated. And that was after the original idea for a
simple straight knife was approved. Just wondering what the chances are
that this goup can settle on one idea, and stick to it. Seems like
everyone has their own idea of the perfect knife, and a wide gulf
between a straight hunter and custom barlow folder!
good luck!
madpeot
Steve Harvey
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
> ...Send me your
> picks for recomended custom knifemakers who you've had good experience
> with in the past.
>
Mike,
My recommendation was for a fixed blade based on price. What custom
maker is gonna put out a locking folder for $100? I like the barlow idea
though.
I agree with whoever posted it that there wouldn't be much point in a
production knife with rec.knives engraved on it.
I would recommend Roger Dole, or A.T. Barr for a custom folder, if we
decide to go that route. They have both posted here, and in my web
surfing, they are two of the best two values in a custom folder that I
have come accross. A.T. could probably put something nice together for
us for $250. An order for 20-30 might be a big load for either of those
two gentlemen though. I consider Keith Coleman's, and Kit Carson's work
to be a good value, but again, their folders are closer to $300 than
$100.
An exclusively upgraded Benchmade is sounding better all the time.
Ding! Idea! David Boye lightweight lock back folder with a custom
rec.knives etching by Francine Martin. She could do something special
for us in bulk for well under $200 I'll bet. Boye folders can be had in
plain black zytel handles, and with white bone and several different
wood scales over zytel. Etching of what, I don't know. How about
Dilbert?
My dos hurachis.
Harv
Jeremy Tavan
David Richards (d...@ripco.com) wrote:
: In article <338300D9...@ei.kodak.com>,
: Carl Donath <don...@ei.kodak.com> wrote:
: >Hmmm, suggestion: linerlock folder, damascus blade, non-black handle
: >(damascus or interesting design), 2.45" blade, no serrations,
: >thumb-opening. Must be highly functional for any of the group's
: >interests, and remain totally legal in all circumstances.
: I like the suggestion of "computer beige" for the handles- I wonder if
: anybody makes beige zytel?
Ech, I don't want beige zytel handles. Ugly. Besides, my computer isn't
beige. Beige is boring. I took granite spray-texture and gave a thourough
spray to the case, and now it looks like rock. Much better.
Erik Miller
>One thought that occurred to me today, (hey, it happens, sometimes;-),
>is that a rec.knives commemorative knife might be a fun thing to
>commission.
>My q to you all, is how many of you would be serious enough about
>wanting a limited edition rec.knives knife to actually make it
>worthwhile to inquire about having such a thing commissioned??
>That's the primary q for now.
>
>A secondary q, would be, what would you want such a thing to be? Maybe
>a locking modern Sunfish? or a liner locking damascus Trapper? or how
>'bout a lightweight ATS-34 "Bird and Trout" suitable for neck carry?
>Or....???
>
>How much would you actually be willing to pay for such a thing,
>assuming quality manufacture?
>
>Do you know of any high quality knife manufacturers that would be open
>to building a relatively small run of commemorative, (see how neatly I
>just bypassed the 'handmade', 'factory-made' issue? ;-) knives for us?
Page 7 of my Winter 96/97 Smoky Mountain Knife Works catalog shows
that Case has a standard low-end "commemorative knife," which is a 3"
drop-point lockback with Zytel handles. SMKW have an "Old Glory" one
with an American flag motif, a "Rebel" one with a Confederate battle
flag motif, and a "Masonic" one with a Masonic motif. I've seen this
same knife commemorating some race car driver or other, too.
All of these have etched blades and similarly-shaped inlays in the
handles.
I'd love one with "rec.knives" etched on the blade.
Maybe too plebian an implement for some of the readers of rec.knives,
but one that everyone could afford. I'd want it as a conversation
piece.
And to open boxes. :-)
Erik Miller
emiller at sirius.com
http://www.sirius.com/~emiller
header altered to thwart spam-bots
damien haas
Tim;
I collect knives, but I USE them. I carry them everywhere, use them
daily. The only knives I dont 'use' are a set of four buck folders I won
in a 'Guns Australia' magazine comp several years back. They have pearl
handles and fancily engraved blades etc.
I guess I would rather pay my dollars for a recdotknives knife I would
actually use. I cant see teh sense in paying $100 plus for a knife that I
would NEVER use. I see nice folders by Al Mar, Buck, Spyderco around teh
$50 mark and surely a run of 40 or 50 knives with something simple would
be better for most than 10 or 15 limited edition one off collectors
edition custom unobtainium combat SEAL SAS Spetznatz type knives.
Just my feelings on teh matter.
Tim Flanagan (tm...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: To even consider using a low-end (sorry for that Nimrod) knife as a
j...@corhcc1.hcc.com
Short Form: count me in. Otherwise....
I don't often post, because my questions are usually asked,
and answered, with patience on my part (I read every day).
This is a great newsgroup, and I really appreciate the
expertise of the 'regulars'. "Thank You !" for all of the great
information.............Dave Chase
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Mark Mc Willis
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
><BIG snip>
I just can't wait to see what kind of knife this group decides on...or
even if there is such a thing! I do have some limited experience in
this type of thing, and the first thing is for somebody to take the bull
by the horns and figure out how many and how much. Then you can work on
what! I will say that Benchmade MIGHT be interested in building such a
project knife, if it were feasible.
If you want more input, you know where to find me.
Mark McWillis
V.P. Marketing-New Product Development
Benchmade Knife Co., Inc.
Phone-800-800-7427
Fax-503-655-6223
http://www.benchmade.com
Doug Elias
G'day ...
i'd like to put in a vote for Jim Mattis' "wing knife" -- if you
haven't seen it, check out Jim's webpage ... damn, just looked thru my
bookmarks and i don't have the URL. No biggie: Jim posts here often
enough, you'll get it shortly ... if not, drop me a line, i've got a
copy of the jpeg, runs 57K, i can send it to you.
i believe i remember the "retail" price as being just over $100; if a
bunch of us give him a commission, maybe he'll drop it down some,
whaddaya say, Jim? What would you charge us for, say, 50-100 of those
beauties? C'mon, tax season's over, what do you have to do with your
time now, anyway? (;-)
Ta.
doug
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Jerry Cupples
It would be hard to get an absolute consensus.
But I nominate Mike Swaim as the organizer and committee chariman to
convert our ideas and suggestions into a design specification, and
Benchmade to make it...
Could we agree on that?
There are of course many other possibilities, but here we have a credible
offer from a solid company known for making quality knives at a reasonable
cost, and with experience in taking ideas of good designers and offering
production economy and retaining the characteristics which make the knife
useful.
And as for Mike, he has been tireless at evaluating designs and reporting
what he finds. I think he could manage the design process capably, and
seems willing.
This project could fly. If a solid list of subscribers could cover the
cost of prototypes and tooling, these people might be returned a
serialized collector's version of the product from the first run, with
perhaps some premium type of material used for the scales, or some other
distinction. Then, the manufacturer would have the right to mass produce
it.
The dealers who have participated here could ensure the manufacturer
enough orders to avoid a lead balloon launch, and maybe even a deal on the
first thousand or so to be put through the retail channel.
What do _you_ think?
cheers, guys!
Jerry Cupples
James & Toni Mattis
thinking factory folders.
Let's see - If I stop spending time on the Net and get down to serious
knife making again? I ain't never done 50-100 of anything, so it would
be an interesting experiment, with no guarantee on delivery time. I'm
getting my first "real" grinder in a few weeks, and I don't know yet how
fast I'll be able to work with it. The knife he's talking about is at
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/kw3.jpg
It's called "Knifewing." It's ground on one side, "sushi style."
That one went for $150. To get the price a little under $100 . . .
The handle would be something like black linen micarta.
The steel would have a good machine finish, not the hand rub.
The compound pin would be drilled straight (round, not oval).
I could get a "rec.knifewing" stencil to etch the other side.
I'd have to get a price from a sheath maker for housing. Though it's
ugly next to good hardwood, the blade design wants Kydex, which is OK
with the black micarta.
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"Nobody without me can be everybody!" - Walt Kelly
James & Toni Mattis
Steve Harvey wrote:
>
> How much time do you have on your hands now that tax season is over, Mr.
> Mattis? Enough to crank out 50 rec.knives knives? For those of you who
> haven't seen his web site, James does wonders with a Blades-N-Stuff
> blade, and I like his logo, too. Plus, he could add on the knife lobby
> premium himself! I would go for one just like Uncle Esau's. What
> Blades-N-Stuff catalog number is that, James?
>
> I like the fixed up Benchmade idea too.
>
> Harv
Thanks for the complement, but it would be an "experiment" since I ain't
never done 50 of anything. I don't recall the catalog number, but if you
ask Bob Engnath for a "slab handled Loveless-style drop point" he'll
know what you're talking about. And to whom or what would I send that
knife lobby premium? Keep it to buy a membership in an organization that
doesn't exist yet?
Other than that, my comments and caveats are similar to what I said in
my answer to a similar suggestion from Doug Elias, below, but the price
tag would be higher. http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/esauknif.jpg
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"Grunt" - Kanzi
A. Dale Mclean
Mark Mc Willis wrote:
I will say that Benchmade MIGHT be interested in building such a
> project knife, if it were feasible.
>
> If you want more input, you know where to find me.
Yee Ha! Hear that Mike? Have you been keeping counts of the "count me
ins"?!
A. Dale McLean
Brian E. Skelton
On Thu, 22 May 1997 16:24:12 -0700, Mark Mc Willis
<mcwi...@benchmade.com> wrote:
>Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>>
>><BIG snip>
>
>I just can't wait to see what kind of knife this group decides on...or
>even if there is such a thing! I do have some limited experience in
>this type of thing, and the first thing is for somebody to take the bull
>by the horns and figure out how many and how much. Then you can work on
>what! I will say that Benchmade MIGHT be interested in building such a
>project knife, if it were feasible.
>
>If you want more input, you know where to find me.
>
>Mark McWillis
>V.P. Marketing-New Product Development
>Benchmade Knife Co., Inc.
>Phone-800-800-7427
>Fax-503-655-6223
>http://www.benchmade.com
I have seen Benchmade AFCKs (800SBTs) with various logos on the
blades. Perhaps Benchmade can come up with a logo for the 800SBT or
even the 812SBT.
Also, the knives I've seen are serialized and come with a letter of
authenticity.
Brian
Brian Skelton
Discount Knives
www.tiac.net/users/knives
Carl Donath
Brian E. Skelton wrote:
> I have seen Benchmade AFCKs (800SBTs) with various logos on the
> blades. Perhaps Benchmade can come up with a logo for the 800SBT or
> even the 812SBT.
Considering that the guy I ordered my Mini-AFCK from never followed
through, I _like_ this idea.
With all the ideas flying, and everyone having a different idea of what
they want, I wonder what would happen if someone just went ahead and had
50 decent blades made up and offered them.
Bruce Roberts
A folder (with clip, please?) in the $100.00US range gets my vote but
I'd likely participate in whatever the group came up with just for the
heck of it:)
TTFN -br-
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them.
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Steve Harvey
A. Dale Mclean wrote:
>
> Mark Mc Willis wrote:
>
> I will say that Benchmade MIGHT be interested in building such a
> > project knife, if it were feasible.
> >
> > If you want more input, you know where to find me.
>
> ins"?!
Well, this is encouraging. Count me in for either a Benchmade special fo
any kind, or a Mattis Knifewing.
Mike,
You, or someone else, could gather the suggestions over the last week or
so, post them as a ballot, and see how many sign up for each one. If one
of the choices gets a majority and a quarum, it is elected.
Maybe a good place to start would be a count of how many people would be
interested in ANY kind of rec.knife.
Count me.
Harv
Scott Stickle
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Scott Stickle
ssti...@infinet.com http://www.infinet.com/~sstickle
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David Kelleher
Steve Harvey wrote:
> Count me.
>
> Harv
Me too but I'd sooner a fixed blade.
I think we should make our own.
Bob Engnath could make the blades.
daithi
Carl Donath
Doug Elias wrote:
> i'd like to put in a vote for Jim Mattis' "wing knife" -- if you
> haven't seen it, check out Jim's webpage
OOOhhhhh.....GOOD choice!
JWdvc
Dear Rec Knives,
Long as it is a user , and not a " Franklin Mint" style geegaw I'm in. A
folder like Reeve's Sebenza or fixed blade like Mad Dog's mini- ATAK in
the custom arena - BM in the factory line.
John Woodman
JB Woodman
Jeremy Tavan
Scott Stickle (ssti...@infinet.com) wrote:
: >
: >Well, this is encouraging. Count me in for either a Benchmade special fo
: >any kind, or a Mattis Knifewing.
I'd buy one in a flash, if it's around $100
Mike P. Swaim
James & Toni Mattis <jkm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the complement, but I think most of the folks here are
>thinking factory folders.
Folders, maybe, (though, for me, not necessarily), but I'm not
necessarily thinking factory at all. As I've mentioned, part of the
whole concept might be to showcase a custom maker.
mps
Mike P. Swaim
*don't_spam*cup...@flash.net (Jerry Cupples) wrote:
>It would be hard to get an absolute consensus.
That will never happen. What _MAY_ happen is that we'll get a
knifemaker to agree to make us something that several of us will agree
to purchase, but there will always be those who won't be happy no
matter what is picked.
>But I nominate Mike Swaim as the organizer and committee chariman to
>convert our ideas and suggestions into a design specification,
I'm willing to make some phone calls and try to get the ball rolling,
but I absolutely refuse to be nominated to another damn committee.
I've had enough of that type thinking and experience to last me the
rest of my life, and read this ng to escape from those who want to
make every thought into another damned bloated bureacracy. ;-) ;->
>and
>Benchmade to make it...
We'll see. I'm gonna see what Mark has in mind, but I'd really like to
also consider some of the smaller, less well known knifemakers.
>Could we agree on that?
>There are of course many other possibilities, but here we have a credible
>offer from a solid company known for making quality knives at a reasonable
>cost, and with experience in taking ideas of good designers and offering
>production economy and retaining the characteristics which make the knife
>useful.
I'm not aware of any such offer. Mark just said that Benchmade _might_
be interested in talking to us. We've not been offered, or accepted
anything just yet. Who knows what will happen at this point? I'm still
trying to ascertain how many people would be interested in the basic
idea, so that I know whether to be discussing 20 or 100 or 200 items.
Until we have that info, all the rest is moot, although I realize that
the number of folks interested is largely dependent on what it is that
we're talking about.
I've already proposed a high quality, locking folder with a blade
~2.5. That's just one proposal, but seems to be a reasonable one.
>And as for Mike, he has been tireless at evaluating designs and reporting
>what he finds. I think he could manage the design process capably, and
>seems willing.
Thanks for the kind words, but my willingness, (or lack of it), is
directly proportional to coming up with a high quality, totally unique
knife. I've said before, but I'll say it again, I've got zero interest
in just getting a production knife that is merely altered in terms of
engraving or handle material.
>This project could fly. If a solid list of subscribers could cover the
>cost of prototypes and tooling, these people might be returned a
>serialized collector's version of the product from the first run, with
>perhaps some premium type of material used for the scales, or some other
>distinction. Then, the manufacturer would have the right to mass produce
>it.
>The dealers who have participated here could ensure the manufacturer
>enough orders to avoid a lead balloon launch, and maybe even a deal on the
>first thousand or so to be put through the retail channel.
>What do _you_ think?
I think that you're proposing to make this whole project far more
complex than I'm willing to endure, and far more unwieldy than it
needs to be. Again, I have zero interest in making this into some huge
endeavor, and will absolutely recoil from all this if we start
digressing into talking about giving some huge maker the right to mass
produce anything. (Actually, I see some huge potential problems with
that whole concept, but I'll let those dogs continue to sleep, at the
moment.)
For my part, I've made some phone calls, and found that many of the
people that I was trying to call earlier in the week were still at the
Blade Show, or were still on their way back. I'll try them again
towards the end of next week.
For your part(s), I'm still waiting to hear more recomendations of
small time custom makers. It's a field that I'm not very familiar
with, so your recomendations are important.
Alternatively, I'd really love to hear from you knifemakers. Email me,
if you feel uncomfortable bragging about your wares in this forum.
Thanks,
MPS mi...@cphl.mindspring.com
Mike P. Swaim
David Kelleher <dai...@knives.com> wrote:
>Me too but I'd sooner a fixed blade.
>I think we should make our own.
>Bob Engnath could make the blades.
>daithi
No offense, daithi, but you can count me out if the group wants to go
that direction. That's a whole different type of project than what I
had in mind. It's a good idea in it's own right, but not everyone on
this group wants to redo the KLK.
A small folder probably has the most utility for the most people who
read this group, and many, if not most, are not fledgling knife
makers. Having a really competent custom or semi-custom knifemaker
make it for us in limited quanity would have the most appeal to the
most readers of this group.
Now, having said all that, if Bob E. wants to come up with a small
fixed blade for neck carry or a small bird and trout knife shaped
somewhat like a Grohmann #1, #2 or Camp, but out of ATS-34 or 440C
then I'll definitely buy one or six. ;-)
MPS
Mike P. Swaim
Steve Harvey <"steve_harvey<delete>"@3mail.3com.com> wrote:
>Mike,
>You, or someone else, could gather the suggestions over the last week or
>so, post them as a ballot, and see how many sign up for each one. If one
>of the choices gets a majority and a quarum, it is elected.
>Maybe a good place to start would be a count of how many people would be
>interested in ANY kind of rec.knife.
>Count me.
>Harv
OH yeah, I'm reading and absorbing all this. I'll probably post some
sort of tally late next week, (end of May). I want this thread to stay
open for a little while longer, before I go announcing a group
concensus. Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy for the next few days. (And
you guys thought that I lived in a glass jar on this group, right? ;->
If you're reading this, and you haven't yet posted, please do so
either publicly or privately. I'll be waiting.
ylm...@worldnet.att.net
mi...@cphl.mindspring.com (Mike P. Swaim) wrote:
>
>If you're reading this, and you haven't yet posted, please do so
>either publicly or privately. I'll be waiting.
>
>MPS mi...@cphl.mindspring.com
>
>
i would probably prefer some kind of small fixed blade similar to the Mad
Dog Mongoose or Wombat, with an option for neck carry and another sheath,
either a cross-draw or in the waistband type.
however, a $100 folder would do the job, as long as it had a clip, some
kind of lock and a good blade.( i'm not going for the Barlow idea, nor
do i like the 2.75 inch blade [ too small]). maybe something along the
lines of a Spyderco or AFCK with a special blade?
Joe
Jerry Cupples
> OH yeah, I'm reading and absorbing all this. I'll probably post some
> sort of tally late next week, (end of May). I want this thread to stay
> open for a little while longer, before I go announcing a group
> concensus. Also, I'm gonna be pretty busy for the next few days. (And
> you guys thought that I lived in a glass jar on this group, right? ;->
>
> If you're reading this, and you haven't yet posted, please do so
> either publicly or privately. I'll be waiting.
>
> MPS mi...@cphl.mindspring.com
Sorry if I seem to be draggin you in...
I like the idea of a small, elegant single blader.
I've got a Spyderco Std, Spyderco remote release, BM Eclipse, Boye LW
folder, Benchmade Leopard Cub, and these are all kind of similar. Single
blade lockbacks, about 3", pocekt clips. Like them all, but...
The above give me a range to carry when on the river or fishing/camping.
What I'd like is a 2.5" blade with pretty grips, nickel silver bolsters,
and a beautifully ground blade not too slim. I want it smaller than the
above knives and as thin/short as practical, to carry in dress pants.
There are probably a lot of them out there. http://agrussell.com has
several beauties, but I'd like to have something kinda modern. A smaller
Spydie Centofante?
cheers,
Jerry
Carl Jacobsen
I'm definitely interested, and would be willing to spend something
between $50 and $200, where the further it goes towards $200, the cooler
the knife has to be to me personally (if it was some style I didn't
particularly care for, but was well made and cost $60, I'd buy it just
to put it in my collection).
There is some ill-defined lower limit, too; hmm... I definitely would
*not* be interested in, say, a CutCo knife with labelmaker tape on the
side saying "rEc.KnIfEs". But then, that's probably not what any of
you had in mind, either.
There seem to be two main schools of thought here, which reflect primarily
the different areas/levels of collecting interest that we each bring to
the table:
1) A variation on an existing consumer piece, with some emphasis placed
on it being a folder, and tending towards the $50 - $100 price range.
The best example I've heard of this is James Mattis' Beige-handled
3" plain blade Eclipse, with appropriate etching (I'd happily buy
this one).
2) A custom design from a small maker, maybe a bit more likely to be a
fixed blade (custom folders get expen$ive more quickly?), and tending
towards the $100 - $200 price range.
As we try to settle on one design, we need to keep in mind that any one
knife is unlikely to fit all the criteria perfectly, so that we're not
working at cross purposes. Personally, I'd guess we might see 40 to 50
orders for a category #1 knife, but more like 10 to 20 for category #2
knife. I'm just taking a wild guess here -- anyone else care to differ?
Personally, I'd be happy with a knife in either category.
Perhaps we could go for category #1 for the 1997 knife and #2 for the
1998 knife (oooh, now isn't that being presumptuous and thinking ahead).
I see _some_ benefit to having the knife be something that can be carried
most places without fear of "imperial entanglements", so that we can all
recognize each other at knife shows by waving our special knives at each
other, since we don't have secret decoder rings :-)
We have another resource in our midst, by the way, who has considerable
experience contracting for, and selling small (well, probably not as
small as we'd need) runs of custom and semi-custom knives, as well as
customized versions of consumer knives... our very own A.G. Russell.
I'm certainly not about to go volunteering him for any of this, but he
might have some words of wisdom for us in this venture. In any case,
if you haven't gotten his catalog, or at least looked through his web
site (http://agrussell.com) pretty thoroughly, I'd suggest that you do
so. In addition to the standard production stuff, he also has knives
from a number of custom/semi-custom knife makers/shops, like Bob Dozier
and Randall Knives. He also has customized things like a Spyderco Jess
Horn in burgandy micarta instead of black, and a Co-Pilot with spider
webs etched on the handle. In any case, you may get some ideas for what
you would like to see in the way of a RecDotKnives Commemorative Knife
by thumbing through this catalog.
Some mention has been made of an as-yet hypothetical grass roots knife
lobby, and putting their logo on the blade. If this could be worked out,
I think this would be a Good Thing. For a bit of background on this
topic, take a look on the Benchmade Web Forum, at this article and
its followups: "http://www.benchmade.com/wwwboard/messages/1931.html".
See what you think.
A couple other knife ideas I'd toss on the table would be:
A Benchmade Mini-Spike with the handle anodized with some other color
than the standard black (bright green or blue maybe? we could argue
over this question, too), or,
A David Boye lockback folder, one of the ones where instead of a blade
hole or stud there is a design (e.g. an eagle's wing) cast(?) into the
back of the blade to provide finger friction for opening. Anyway, the
idea being, could we get some made up with some rec.knives or web
related artwork in place of the normal designs? Maybe just the text
"Rec.Knives 1997", in some font that would both look good and provide
a nice feel for opening. I have *no* idea if Boye Knives would have
any interest in this, or if the cost to set up for making knives with
custom artwork would be prohibitive. In any case, there are some pics
at: "http://www.knifecenter.com/knifecenter/boye/boye2.html". (Anyone
know where to find some clearer, more close up, pictures online?)
Anything by Bob Dozier Knives (their brochure has a bunch of nice
small D2_and_micarta fixed blade knives in the $125-$175 range, with
kydex sheaths, and they'll discuss modifications. AG sells some of
these, too. ("Straight _Spammer_ Hunter", anyone? Or how about a
"Web Page Whittler"? :-)
Them's my thoughts, folks,
-- Carl Jacobsen (ca...@ucsd.edu / OBAnti-Spam: delete the "-" to reply)
Jerry Cupples
In article <3386EF...@uc-sd.edu>, Carl Jacobsen <ca...@uc-sd.edu> wrote:
> I'm definitely interested
(snip)
> There seem to be two main schools of thought here, which reflect primarily
> the different areas/levels of collecting interest that we each bring to
> the table:
>
> 1) A variation on an existing consumer piece, with some emphasis placed
> on it being a folder, and tending towards the $50 - $100 price range.
> The best example I've heard of this is James Mattis' Beige-handled
> 3" plain blade Eclipse, with appropriate etching (I'd happily buy
> this one).
>
> 2) A custom design from a small maker, maybe a bit more likely to be a
> fixed blade (custom folders get expen$ive more quickly?), and tending
> towards the $100 - $200 price range.
could agree with the above. (snip)
> I see _some_ benefit to having the knife be something that can be carried
> most places without fear of "imperial entanglements", so that we can all
> recognize each other at knife shows by waving our special knives at each
> other, since we don't have secret decoder rings :-)
A secret razor-ring knife? Kewl. Or maybe a keyboard-knife?
> We have another resource in our midst, by the way, who has considerable
> experience contracting for, and selling small (well, probably not as
> small as we'd need) runs of custom and semi-custom knives, as well as
> customized versions of consumer knives... our very own A.G. Russell.
I was thinking this, too - and Mr. Russell already has the Knife
Collector's Club, which issues a few specials per year at nice prices. His
page now has a link which will allow you to join via email. See:
http://agrussell.com/kcc/subscribekcc.html
Thanks, A.G., and also for the great deal on the Remote Release (how can
Spydercos look so weird and still handle so well?).
> I'm certainly not about to go volunteering him for any of this, but he
> might have some words of wisdom for us in this venture. In any case,
> if you haven't gotten his catalog, or at least looked through his web
> site (http://agrussell.com) pretty thoroughly...(snip)
No doubt, there is some nice merchandise there!
and your ideas:
> A David Boye lockback folder, one of the ones where instead of a blade
> hole or stud there is a design (e.g. an eagle's wing) cast(?) into the
> back of the blade to provide finger friction for opening. Anyway, the
> idea being, could we get some made up with some rec.knives or web
> related artwork in place of the normal designs?
Carl, I have a Boye Lightweight Folder, one of the earlier Micarta
"Prophet" designs (I think they now have molded Zytel handles). It is a
gem. Mr. Boye doesn't seem to surf this net, but he is at 111 Marine View
Way, Davenport, Ca. phone # is 408-426-6046. I think anyone who got one of
those would be quite pleased. Karl Barntz (sp?) was kind enough to sell
me one after I read his post here...
> Anything by Bob Dozier Knives (their brochure has a bunch of nice
> small D2_and_micarta fixed blade knives in the $125-$175 range, with
> kydex sheaths, and they'll discuss modifications. AG sells some of
> these, too. ("Straight _Spammer_ Hunter", anyone? Or how about a
> "Web Page Whittler"? :-)
Folding flamer filet? Personally, I'm always much more intrigued by
folders, but it's not universal.
> Them's my thoughts, folks,
And they's good 'uns.
cheers,
Jerry Cupples
John Galt
Mike P. Swaim wrote:
>
> If you're reading this, and you haven't yet posted, please do so
> either publicly or privately. I'll be waiting.
>
> MPS mi...@cphl.mindspring.com
Mike,
I would like to go with a custom knife (Mr. Mattis or another
interested maker). If the consensus is for a production knife
(Benchmade), I would not have a problem with that. As long as we agree
on a piece of quality cutlery, I would be happy.
John Galt
Tom Carey
Jerry Cupples wrote:
>
> In article <3384D5...@benchmade.com>, mcwi...@benchmade.com wrote:
>
> > Mike P. Swaim wrote:
> > >
> > ><BIG snip>
> >
> > I just can't wait to see what kind of knife this group decides on...or
> > even if there is such a thing! I do have some limited experience in
> > this type of thing, and the first thing is for somebody to take the bull
> > by the horns and figure out how many and how much. Then you can work on
> > project knife, if it were feasible.
> >
> > If you want more input, you know where to find me.
> >
> > V.P. Marketing-New Product Development
> > Benchmade Knife Co., Inc.
> > Phone-800-800-7427
> > Fax-503-655-6223
> > http://www.benchmade.com
>
>
> Benchmade to make it...
>
>
> There are of course many other possibilities, but here we have a credible
> offer from a solid company known for making quality knives at a reasonable
> cost, and with experience in taking ideas of good designers and offering
> production economy and retaining the characteristics which make the knife
> useful.
>
> what he finds. I think he could manage the design process capably, and
> seems willing.
>
> cost of prototypes and tooling, these people might be returned a
> serialized collector's version of the product from the first run, with
> perhaps some premium type of material used for the scales, or some other
> distinction. Then, the manufacturer would have the right to mass produce
> it.
>
> The dealers who have participated here could ensure the manufacturer
> enough orders to avoid a lead balloon launch, and maybe even a deal on the
> first thousand or so to be put through the retail channel.
>
> What do _you_ think?
>
>
> Jerry Cupples
If we go with a Benchmade I want one that is different and would not be
easy to fake if the knife does become valuable someday. If we go with a
factory knife I prefer something more limited like the Spyderco
expermentals. The blade length on those seems to be legal for everyone
to
carry.
Tom Carey
James & Toni Mattis
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
>
[pretty good ideas snipped]
> Anything by Bob Dozier Knives (their brochure has a bunch of nice
> small D2_and_micarta fixed blade knives in the $125-$175 range, with
> kydex sheaths, and they'll discuss modifications. AG sells some of
> these, too. ("Straight _Spammer_ Hunter", anyone? Or how about a
> "Web Page Whittler"? :-)
>
> Them's my thoughts, folks,
> -- Carl Jacobsen (ca...@ucsd.edu / OBAnti-Spam: delete the "-" to reply)
How about flame pattern damascus made from tool steel and Spam cans? :-)
Sorry.
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"Grunt!" - Kanzi
Carl Donath
Carl Donath wrote:
> Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
(Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
Todd Shepard
What are we commemorating? I am going to call it the club knife as it is
easier to spell!
I am a member of the AZ knife Collectors Assn. and each year we vote on a
limited edition club knife. Last year the members got numbered fixed blade
hunters made by Tim Hancock. Production was cut off at 150. A lot of
members like to get the same "number" every year. Tim made these for $150
each and belive me they are worth $300 if commissioned individually.
The club will be voting for the 1998 knife this coming week. I understand
Hancock will be in the running as well as his apprentice Hewitt. Doc
Gunderson is submitting a set of 3 throwing knives and rumor has a knife
from Gerber will be there. The members (about 220 pay dues) will vote and
the maker is stuck makin' sparks.....
Thats how we do it. Some of the early knives are worth a lot of money,
some aren't so hot.....most guys tend to collect them rather than use
them, I think.
Could we get a few choices put on a web page and then take a vote? Just my
thinking on how to get a general agreement............
Count me in,
Todd Shepard
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Larry Bump
mi...@cphl.mindspring.com (Mike P. Swaim) wrote:
>How 'bout a single clip damascus blade, linerlock, "Barlow" design
>with some form of attractive, modern stable handle material, and a
>single nickel silver bolster? The "barlow" design is both suggestive
>of times past, but is also quite simple and utilitarian. A damascus
>version would be elegant, and would serve to remind some that the term
>"barlow" is not synonymous with shoddy $2 gas station knives.
>That design would also allow the knifemaker to pass along savings from
>not having to do two bolsters, and would give greater area to showcase
>some attractive handle material.
Frankly, I would prefer a lockblade, if a fixed-blade is out of the
question. I have no experience with liner-locks, and there have been
some gripes about their characteristics, but I'm willing to try it.
Something small and elegant, a quality *tool*, rather than some
flashy piece of uselessness that so many commemoratives and limited
editions turn out to be.
A slim, elegant fixed blade, modest blade profile, with the
appropriate edge geometry would be my preference. Carbon or Damascus,
same same. I will need to know how fast it can cut down a 100 foot
oak, and the exact number of strokes needed, of course.
Anyway, keep it reasonable, and I'll take one; as long as the price is
in line with its value as a knife. Oh yeah, **no serrations**.
Unless, of course, you go with a Super Rambo Last Blood Ninja Death
Monger Super Combat Fighter Blade.
Then I'll take two. ;)
Larry Bump
(For the sarcasm impaired: Ignore the last paragraph.)
Joe Leung
I would like to buy one too!
As long as it is under $200. Knives from a custom maker is fine and I would
prefer a folder. Best if it can be carried daily and not going to draw much
attention when in use (except from it's beauty).
Joe Leung (Hong Kong)
Mike P. Swaim <mi...@cphl.mindspring.com> wrote in article
<5m748p$f...@camel7.mindspring.com>...
> Steve Harvey <"steve_harvey<delete>"@3mail.3com.com> wrote:
>
> >Mike,
>
> >You, or someone else, could gather the suggestions over the last week or
Hilton Yam
Carl - nice work! I think this is a pretty plausible and affordable
idea for a NG knife. It eliminates otherwise ridiculous costs of
prototyping or customizing expensive knives, leaving it affordable to
more NG subscribers. I'm not sure about the beige handle, but the blade
is tastefully done.
Hilton
Carl Donath
> ("Straight _Spammer_ Hunter", anyone?
Oooohh. The "rec.knives Spammer Hunter". I like it! :-)
ylm...@worldnet.att.net
can we get the rec.knives logo higher on the blade?
it looks like it could be potentially weakening the thinnest part of the
blade, the edge.
ylm...@worldnet.att.net
Carl Donath <ctdo...@rpa.net> wrote:
>Carl Donath wrote:
>> Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
>
>I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
>It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
>
>(Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
do we seriously want a beige handle?
i would buy the thing just because and everything, even though it's small
and has a funny handle.
but are we seriously gonna have beige handles?
Ken Songer
Hilton Yam wrote:
>
> Carl Donath wrote:
> >
> > Carl Donath wrote:
> > > Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
> >
> > I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
> > It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
> >
> > (Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
>
> idea for a NG knife. It eliminates otherwise ridiculous costs of
> prototyping or customizing expensive knives, leaving it affordable to
> more NG subscribers. I'm not sure about the beige handle, but the blade
> is tastefully done.
>
> Hilton
How about the q knife blade as is with a "real" handle and clip that
does not fall off? The handle could be solid with a logo.
--
Ken Songer
North Quabbin Computer
Worldtrvlr
ylm...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> Carl Donath <ctdo...@rpa.net> wrote:
> >Carl Donath wrote:
> >> Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
> >
> >I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
> >It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
> >
> >(Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
>
>
> i would buy the thing just because and everything, even though it's small
> and has a funny handle.
>
> but are we seriously gonna have beige handles?
Nice job on the picture but I'm not interested in the style of the
knife. I'm not much for spyderco knives.
How about a benchmade Mel Pardue with an etched blade and custom
scales?
to...@home.com
On 24 May 1997 05:26:39 GMT, mit...@ng.netgate.net (Jeremy Tavan)
wrote:
This is my price range for a 'sight unseen' knife. Mebbe a bit
more for something really special.
Tom
David Richards
In article <5m9p50$n...@mtinsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
<ylm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Carl Donath <ctdo...@rpa.net> wrote:
>>Carl Donath wrote:
>>> Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
>>
>>I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
>>It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
>>
>>(Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
>
>do we seriously want a beige handle?
>
>i would buy the thing just because and everything, even though it's small
>and has a funny handle.
>
>but are we seriously gonna have beige handles?
It'd be "ugly", but I still like the idea of a knife that matches the
computer, keyboard, monitor. Makes it more acceptable sitting out at the
desk in your cubicle...
Of course, I no longer work at an office with cubicles- my desk is in a
room with a big screen TV (hooked to a real satellite dish) and a small
fridge stocked with beer, and the knife I carry to work is no more
politically correct than the calendars on the wall.
But still, beige would be something different. Seems just about everything
out there is black, gray, or stainless.
--
David Richards Ripco, since Nineteen-Eighty-Three
My opinions are my own, IRS withstanding Public Access in Chicago
Proud to be the 5,000th least-important Shell/SLIP/PPP/UUCP/ISDN/Leased
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Todd O. Morken
Worldtrvlr <world...@super.zippo.com> wrote in article
<33887B...@super.zippo.com>...
> ylm...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
> >
> > Carl Donath <ctdo...@rpa.net> wrote:
> > >Carl Donath wrote:
> > >> Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
> > >
> > >I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
> > >It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
> > >
> > >(Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
> >
> > do we seriously want a beige handle?
> >
> > i would buy the thing just because and everything, even though it's
small
> > and has a funny handle.
> >
> > but are we seriously gonna have beige handles?
>
> Nice job on the picture but I'm not interested in the style of the
> knife. I'm not much for spyderco knives.
>
> How about a benchmade Mel Pardue with an etched blade and custom
> scales?
>
It's going to be impossible to get a knife that none of us have without a
total ground up design, and well that's going to be costly and also
probably never make it for 1997 :)
I think we all can agree we want a high quality knife, not a <$50 item just
for the fact it says rec,knives on it. Most of us still want a high
degree of functionality and quality to the knife, and that is what will
make it so special, the commemorative *sp* is just the icing on the cake.
A custom maker's knife would be a good idea, but possibly too hard to work
out and maybe a bit out of a general price range, I was thinking around
$100-$150 and there are not a lot of custom knives were going to get for
that amount. Time is also a consideration I'm not sure exactly how long it
would take for a custom maker to kick out say 50 units but I'm guessing it
could be quite a while. Where say BM could most likely do this much
faster, and on a more economical basis. I do like the idea of promoting a
small custom maker, but this might be a bit of a stretch for us on our
first attempt, at least the first attempt I've witnessed.
The folding fighters are very popular right now and everyone is making
them, tanto blades, black T, partially serrated, G-10 you name it, it is in
demand.
I also think that Benchmade is the company to go with. My reasons are
simple. First Mark M. reads and posts to this group as far as I know BM is
the only company represented here. He also runs one of the best forums on
the internet. Benchmade's knives are as close to custom as you can get
without paying $500+ for one. Lifetime warranty, this list goes on and on
there is NO other more qualified and willing production company to do such
a project for us.
As for a model, I'm split the 800s is hailed as probably the most popular,
most recommended, utility knife around. However due to these factors many
of us already have one *at least one* (I however do not, I'm in the
minority). I'm not in the group that can buy a knife just for its
collector value, it needs to be a good knife, something I can USE if I have
to or just want to.
The new stryker, because well it seems to be the sum of what the market is
looking for right now, a bit stronger blade than the 800 but better
utility functions than the 970. Also the fact that probably very few of
us will have one before such a project could be acquired. There are some
prototypes and I'm sure some of us will have one, but on the whole very few
will, and since no more will be in large production untill fall, we'd have
time to work out any details. I guess I like the KISS principal for our
first attempt (Keep It Simple Stupid) maybe a nice black T blade with
etching saying something like "Rec.Knives Limited Edition 1997 1 of XXX"
on the blade, no fancy scales, so spiffy plaqe or box, maybe a letter
from BM stating its authenticity and so one.
I thought of trying to design a logo or something for the group and using
that, but I think that may be over the top, esp. since it's June already,
something for next year.
I have talked with Mark M. over email about such a project and he thinks
the cost of such work would be very easy to swallow (my words not his). I
just think their the people to go with, after all he's concerned and
willing to help us in this endeavor and he's part of the group.
Sorry this got so long winded, just trying to get some ground work laid
--
Todd O. Morken Criminal Justice Major Minot State University
HK/Giant/Glock/Sure-Fire/Rockford Fostgate/HP/PSE
sni...@btigate.com Http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/3500/
Carl Jacobsen
(Apologies in advance for the length of this post. I'll try not
to be so wordy next time.)
Let's talk about goals for this project:
o The basic goal is to produce a nice little knife to add to our
various collections, a "rec.knives souvenir", if you will (stay
with me here). At this level, we would try to come up with
something that would appeal to the widest possible audience,
so that everyone could join in...
o A higher goal is to come up with something cool enough that many
of us would end up actually using and/or carrying it around.
o A still higher goal (and, I think, the one that Mike Swaim, the
originator of this thread, had in mind) is to get something that
is truly custom, commissioned from some up-and-coming knifemaker,
ending up with a really nice collectible knife that may appreciate
in value over time, as well as celebrating this cyberspace support
group for our common affliction :-) It is much less clear whether
this can be pulled off with a design and price that would please
everyone in the group.
o An entirely unrealistic goal, IMHO, is to have one knife that will
fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
(a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
cool you think _your_ design is :-)
After all, the goal here isn't really to build the next knife that you
were going to buy anyway (we wouldn't want to deprive you of the delights
of _that_ purchase); the basic goal here is simply to tie together our
favorite place to discuss knives with our common interest in collecting
them by letting us do the latter with something commemorating the former.
So, although I'm expecting my Stryker prototype (well, we can all hope,
can't we? :-), to become my primary carry knife for the foreseeable
future, I'm *not* lobbying for this group to choose a Stryker variant
as _the_ commemorative knife, just to save me the effort of buying a
"normal" one.
And I personally don't care much for, hmm, "old fashioned" multi-blade
knives (my interests run more towards modern one-hand locking knives),
but if one was selected by the group as _the_ knife, I'd buy one and
put it in my collection, *because* it was the product of this group. It
might even lead me to an increased appreciation of that type of knife.
On the other hand, I've played around with Spyderco Q knives in stores,
and I think they're not much of a knife: the skeleton handle feels
cheap and uncomfortable, the lock reminds me of an overgrown paperclip:
novelty item, yes; quality carrying knife, no. Still, if that's what
the group settled on, I'd buy one and put in my collection as sort a
of cyberspace souvenir.
The original idea was for a custom made knife, which got some support;
and then the idea of a customized production knife sorta spontaneously
grew, and _that_ idea seems to have gotten a lot of support. Perhaps
we're really looking at a market for two separate knives here: a $50
to $125 customized production folder (designed for fairly wide appeal),
with maybe, hmm, 30 to 60 sales, and a $100 to $250 true custom (folder
or fixed blade), built by some up-and-coming knifemaker, for the few,
the proud, the truly addicted, with sales of maybe 10 to 20. I might
buy both; I'd bet maybe a few others would too.
The viewpoints of "make a souvenir (or, hopefully, make a cool/useful/
working souvenir) that *everyone* will want to get", on one hand, and,
"make something really cool, custom, and wonderful, and then let those
who are interested sign up for one", on the other, would seem to be a
bit at odds. Perhaps some ideal common ground can be found, but I'm a
bit concerned that if people from both points of view try to work
together on a single knife, without acknowledging the differences, the
project may strained by the wear and tear of being pulled in two
opposite directions at the same time. I see there being room for both
knives, either in parallel, or perhaps with the semi-production knife
as this year's model, and the custom knife as next year's model...
Besides, if the custom designed knife was a separate project, it could
concentrate on making something really nice, without a lot of value-
diluting compromises being made to try to please everyone in the group.
But then, I'm certainly not looking to foment dissention between the
members of this group, and I'd be overjoyed to see everything work out,
with a single knife being chosen that pleases everyone...
Comments?
mel sorg
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
>
>
> o An entirely unrealistic goal, IMHO, is to have one knife that will
> fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> cool you think _your_ design is :-)
>
> After all, the goal here isn't really to build the next knife that you
> were going to buy anyway (we wouldn't want to deprive you of the delights
> of _that_ purchase); the basic goal here is simply to tie together our
> favorite place to discuss knives with our common interest in collecting
> them by letting us do the latter with something commemorating the former.
>
posts ago. The trick is finding a common ground, and one option may be
to pursue a couple different 'levels' of knives, from semi-production
commemorative, to a real 'custom'. The trick will be not to let one or
two vocal group members determine the design because they are
committed to seeing 'their' next knife as the pattern of choice.
madpoet
thomas wilkinson
Anybody thought of a list if choices
and a simple vote followed by a how
many guys really want to buy post
TW
mel sorg
too.......(yes, that was just me telling everyone not to let themselves
be pushed into accepting a design just because someone is long
winded....so, shoot me :)
More to the point, this whole process may be a bit more workable if
there is a company out there willing to take on the task of
taking orders, etching a logo, scheduling delivery, etc. If Benchmade is
willing to work with us, and will make enough knives available at a
decent price, this might be the ticket.
This isn't always the case. I've been trying to buy a certain model
from Randall knives for a while now, and have been told the only way to
get it is to call them weekly and see what is in the stockroom, since
they don't know which models the shop is finishing. They also don't
take orders, or put people on waiting lists, instead selling what
arrives on a first come, first served basis!
As todd and others noted, getting a custom knife commissioned from an
individual knifemaker isn't always easy. I was fortunate enough to get
on one makers waiting list for a folder when delivery time was expected
to be four months, and he was completing maybe 6 or 8 knives a month.
Only, after the last Blade Show, he is now quoting nine months delivery
time for any new work. In any case, a new, upcoming maker isn't likely
to have time available to knock out some 50 knives and still keep up
with his other orders and design work.
Short version: Benchmade, yes.....Stryker????
madpoet
ylm...@worldnet.att.net
mel sorg <mel...@parkrapids.polaristel.net> wrote:
>
>Short version: Benchmade, yes.....Stryker????
>madpoet
i'm sorry, but am i the only one that thinks the Stryker looks really
ugly?
i love Benchmade, and i would love my first Benchmade to be a special
edition, but i don't like the Stryker. how about the Sentinel?
Carl Jacobsen
In article <01bc698f$054b6c00$e1b1a7cc@toddmork>,
"Todd O. Morken" <sni...@btigate.com> wrote:
>
> I thought of trying to design a logo or something for the group and using
> that, but I think that may be over the top, esp. since it's June already,
> something for next year.
I hacked together together a decidely uninspired first attempt at a logo
("Dammit Jim, I'm a SysAdmin, not an artist"), which I've put up for your
perusal at: http://www.grasslimb.com/carl/rklogo2.gif .
Try to imagine it laser-etched on the side of a blade at 1-1/2" x 3/8",
or perhaps 1" x 1/4"...
Paul Rubin
In article <3388C8...@uc-sd.edu>, Carl Jacobsen <ca...@uc-sd.edu> wrote:
> o An entirely unrealistic goal, IMHO, is to have one knife that will
> fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> cool you think _your_ design is :-)
This sounds like a really great all-purpose knife and is EXACTLY what
I want. The knife should be light enough for easy pocket carry, but
heavy enough for chopping firewood and clearing trails. It should
have a GPS feature so that it can be auto-opening only in
jurisdictions which allow it and serrated except when carried on an
airplane. I would be very interested in buying a knife like this, if
the group can commission it from a custom maker like Michael Walker or
Ron Lake or maybe our own A.T. Barr. It would be best if it is in the
$20-30 range but I could go as high as $40. Count me in!!!
Paul
A.T. Barr
> > fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> > (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> > damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> > with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> > be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> > cool you think _your_ design is :-)
>
> I want. The knife should be light enough for easy pocket carry, but
> heavy enough for chopping firewood and clearing trails. It should
> have a GPS feature so that it can be auto-opening only in
> jurisdictions which allow it and serrated except when carried on an
> airplane. I would be very interested in buying a knife like this, if
> the group can commission it from a custom maker like Michael Walker or
> Ron Lake or maybe our own A.T. Barr. It would be best if it is in the
> $20-30 range but I could go as high as $40. Count me in!!!
>
> Paul
Before I commit to a price, please send me a drawing of the above knife.
A.T.
************************************
******* A.T. Barr Knifemaker *******
***** http://customknives.com ******
************************************
Ryan Meyering
Carl Donath wrote:
>
> Carl Donath wrote:
> > Spyderco will cut the "Q" knife however you like.
>
> I've hacked up an image to show my idea.
> It's at http://www2.rpa.net/~ctdonath/recQ.htm
>
> (Thanks to A.G.Russel for the original image which I doctored.)
Carl,
The knife image you made looks great, good job. I've been avoiding
posting to this thread because it seems to be toatlly out of control!
:¬) Say what you will about the Spyderco, but this is the first shread
of reality I've seen!
I'm not too fond of Spyderco in general, but this one really looks
great. The blade is well done, it looks very nice. I actually like the
beige handles (although not skeletonized, but I _could_ live with that
if it's necessary). It adds more originality, and sort of has a
"computer" theme. I'm sure we all already have plenty of black handled
folders...
Please follow through on this, it looks like you've put in quite a bit
of work already, and I'm anxious to see how it all comes out. Like some
others, I'd like to see a similar thing done on a Benchmade, but hey,
there's always 1998!
On that note, would it be possible to put 1997 on the knife somewhere in
case folks want another rec.knives knife in 1998, etc.?
Thanks,
Ryan Meyering
Carl J. Paulsen
Carl-
I like the idea, but what about leaving the font at times new roman or
something else simple, since that's what I assume most people use (or
something similar). It seems that we would have to have rec.knives
engraved just plain and normal because that's what it looks like on the
computer (unless you changed your font). Also, it would better fit in
with the window logo you have. At least I think so.
Carl.
Carl J. Paulsen
DR-
I looked at your design, and I like it. It's not the unique custom
knife that I was thinking of though. The beige handle is a step in the
right direction, but let's try to get a price estimate on either a
modified version or a new design. Still, it looks good.
Carl.
Carl J. Paulsen
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
>
> o A still higher goal (and, I think, the one that Mike Swaim, the
> originator of this thread, had in mind) is to get something that
> is truly custom,
I agree 100%. I liked the Q design suggested, but I just realized what
a custom knife means. Having a custom knife designed by the group would
mean so much more than a production knife, or even a modified knife. It
would actually make it _our_ knife, not an engraved common model. But
that would mean possibly sacrificing certain things to keep the price
down, such as some of the quality and features we are all looking for.
No matter what we do, the real challenge is going to be making this
knife be a middle-of-the-road in respect to just about everything.
Carl.
James & Toni Mattis
> > fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> > (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> > damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> > with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> > be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> > cool you think _your_ design is :-)
>
> I want. The knife should be light enough for easy pocket carry, but
> heavy enough for chopping firewood and clearing trails. It should
> have a GPS feature so that it can be auto-opening only in
> jurisdictions which allow it and serrated except when carried on an
> airplane. I would be very interested in buying a knife like this, if
> the group can commission it from a custom maker like Michael Walker or
> Ron Lake or maybe our own A.T. Barr. It would be best if it is in the
> $20-30 range but I could go as high as $40. Count me in!!!
>
> Paul
Don't forget the blood groove and the sight! ^:-)
(more homage to old threads that died hard!)
JKM
Carl Jacobsen
Carl,
Okay, how about: http://www.grasslimb.com/carl/rklogo3.gif ? I've
switched it to Times New Roman, because your logic was inescapable.
(Actually, I'm kinda hoping someone more artistically inclined will
take a look at my logo, become incensed at how crummy it is, and be
spurred on to create something better.)
-- Carl Jacobsen (ca...@ucsd.edu / OBAnti-Spam: delete the "-" to reply)
P.S. Ever notice the disproportionate number (compared to their relative
rarity in real life) of Carl's posting in this group? :-)
Carl Donath
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
> o An entirely unrealistic goal, IMHO, is to have one knife that will
> fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
How about splitting the discussion into two or three styles? Say, a
"cheap" mundane-use folder (a la my beige Q), an expensive folder
(perhaps a semi-custom Benchmade) and an art/custom fixed blade (say,
Mattis' Knifewing).
There could also be a different one each year. Start with a cheap one
for '97 to get the ball rolling and work out the process, then work
toward the higher-effort designs. A modified Spyderco or Benchmade would
give faster satisfaction, while James Mattis spends the next year madly
trying to make 100 Knifewings :-)
> (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip).
I'll take two. Yesterday. Logo should be "rec.knives/talk.politics.cats"
on one side and "Red Cross Psychopath Rescue" on the other.
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Doug Elias
G'day ...
i'm already on record as favoring a small, fixed-blade RDKCK in
general, and James Mattis' "Knifewing" in particular ... but i'd also
like to point out that it would add a special "something" if the piece
we finally agree on were produced by "one of our own".
So, here's a suggestion: would the blademakers in our ranks who
*might* be interested in undertaking this arduous venture, kindly
make a gif/jpeg of of the pieces they'd be willing to produce for
the group, along with a description of materials and a suggested price
for an order of ~100 units? If this idea's of any general interest,
we can put up a webpage with links to them all, and arrange for a
web-vote capability (with attribution, so's no one could stuff the
virtual ballot-box, as it were). We could even have them
differentiated into classes like "liner-lock folders", "fixed-blade",
etc., and allow one vote per category ...
Ta.
doug
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Carl J. Paulsen
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> Okay, how about: http://www.grasslimb.com/carl/rklogo3.gif ? I've
> switched it to Times New Roman, because your logic was inescapable.
> (Actually, I'm kinda hoping someone more artistically inclined will
> take a look at my logo, become incensed at how crummy it is, and be
> spurred on to create something better.)
>
> -- Carl Jacobsen (ca...@ucsd.edu / OBAnti-Spam: delete the "-" to reply)
>
> P.S. Ever notice the disproportionate number (compared to their relative
> rarity in real life) of Carl's posting in this group? :-)
Carl-
Yes, I did notice that. Maybe it's one of those "name determines
personality" things. Or something. Anyway, the logo looks good. Maybe
even Arial would look good, or if you like timesNR stick with it.
Remember, we need a simple design to engrave, so keep messing around
with paintbrush (or whatever you use) until everyone likes it. I'm not
really sure how to go about posting a picture on a web page like you
did, since I don't have one. I didn't want to post a binary, because
somebody got mad when someone else did it once.
Carl 1. (I get to be #1 because I called it! You can be 2, and so on.)
Carl J. Paulsen
Carl #1. (I get to be #1 because I called it! You can be 2, and so
on.)
Steve Tomlin
Well, my two cents is that I would be interested in a nice quality folder,
something along the lines of a Benchmade ( I don't think much of the
Spyderco Q knife ) or go with the custom knife from an up and coming
craftsman. I would be willing to pay $100-$150 for a well executed knife.
I like the logo on http://www.grasslimb.com/carl/rklogo3.gif, it is plain,
simple, and to the point.
Put me down for one.
Steve
ev...@halcyo.com
Steve Harvey
James & Toni Mattis wrote:
>
> Paul Rubin wrote:
> >
> > In article <3388C8...@uc-sd.edu>, Carl Jacobsen <ca...@uc-sd.edu> wrote:
> > > fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> > > (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> > > damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> > > with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> > > be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> > > cool you think _your_ design is :-)
> >
> > I want. The knife should be light enough for easy pocket carry, but
> > heavy enough for chopping firewood and clearing trails. It should
> > have a GPS feature so that it can be auto-opening only in
> > jurisdictions which allow it and serrated except when carried on an
> > airplane. I would be very interested in buying a knife like this, if
> > the group can commission it from a custom maker like Michael Walker or
> > Ron Lake or maybe our own A.T. Barr. It would be best if it is in the
> > $20-30 range but I could go as high as $40. Count me in!!!
> >
> > Paul
>
> Don't forget the blood groove and the sight! ^:-)
> (more homage to old threads that died hard!)
>
> JKM
And it wouldn't have the same appeal without those two sexy kukri
notches near the base of the thing, ah...blade, I mean. Hey, in light of
a recent post regarding battle ready swords, maybe the kukri notches
were to make sure the blade would break right at the hilt without
leaving a jagged piece left sticking out to injure your enemy.
I really shouldn't post this.
>:) but I will.
Harv
James & Toni Mattis
Steve Harvey wrote:
>
[Snip - see the minimum design requirements :-) above]
> >
> > Don't forget the blood groove and the sight! ^:-)
> > (more homage to old threads that died hard!)
> >
> > JKM
>
> And it wouldn't have the same appeal without those two sexy kukri
> notches near the base of the thing, ah...blade, I mean. Hey, in light of
> a recent post regarding battle ready swords, maybe the kukri notches
> were to make sure the blade would break right at the hilt without
> leaving a jagged piece left sticking out to injure your enemy.
>
> I really shouldn't post this.
>
> >:) but I will.
>
> Harv
It should also be able to defeat either a claymore or a katana.
And, in the absence of Alvin in this thread, I'll say "stockman!"
The devil made me post this.
- JKM
Carl Donath
Carl Jacobsen wrote:
> P.S. Ever notice the disproportionate number (compared to their
> relative rarity in real life) of Carl's posting in this group? :-)
...and I was just trying to come up with some witty remark on the same
point.
- Carl (as opposed to "-- Carl" or "Carl.", which are different.)
BAH8
Carl J. Paulsen
The question is: will you make 30-60 folders with ats-34 blades for
about 100 dollars each? That's the only thing that will make people
happy. I personally would settle for a 440c blade for a commemorative
knife, maybe, but others won't...
Carl.
Ryan Meyering
If folders won't work, maybe Bob Miller would be willing to make the blade of ATS-34 on one of his fixed blade Hunteters, m
maybe a 4" blade.(?)
Would the people on this group go for that?
Ryan
Carl Jacobsen
James & Toni Mattis wrote:
> Paul Rubin wrote:
> > In article <3388C8...@uc-sd.edu>, Carl Jacobsen <ca...@uc-sd.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > fulfill everyone's desires for their next new favorite pocket knife
> > > (a large small fixed blade folder with high carbon ATS-34 stainless
> > > damascus hawkbill tanto blade shorter than 2-1/2" but longer than 3"
> > > with a neck carry crossdraw pocket clip). No one knife is going to
> > > be the one best next knife for everyone in this group, no matter how
> > > cool you think _your_ design is :-)
> >
> > I want. The knife should be light enough for easy pocket carry, but
> > heavy enough for chopping firewood and clearing trails. It should
> > have a GPS feature so that it can be auto-opening only in
> > jurisdictions which allow it and serrated except when carried on an
> > airplane. I would be very interested in buying a knife like this, if
> > the group can commission it from a custom maker like Michael Walker or
> > Ron Lake or maybe our own A.T. Barr. It would be best if it is in the
> > $20-30 range but I could go as high as $40. Count me in!!!
> >
> > Paul
>
> (more homage to old threads that died hard!)
>
> JKM
Okay, but the question that really needs (er, _doesn't_ need) to be asked
here is, were you wanting the traditional hard iron sights, adjustable for
windage and elevation, or the more modern whizbang laser sight?
Of course, I would never post such foolishness -- must've been them hackers
(er, slashers? :-) Shame on you, Paul and James :-) By the way, this is
*exactly* the knife I want, too -- I'd 'a never thunk 'a the GPS thingy...
-- Carl Jacobsen (ca...@ucsd.edu / OBAnti-Spam: delete the "-" to reply)
(Carl #2 on the official Rec.Knives Carl Roster)
BAH8
Hi Carl, I'm sorry but I don't make folders.I could make you a nice 4in.
drop point
with exotic hardwood handles,textured brass guards,Leather Sheath for
$85.00
this includes shipping.If you would like to see a photo please go to my
web page
www.web2.com/holly Thanks,Bob Miller Holly Knives BA...@AOL.COM
Doug Elias
G'day, all ...
i'm already on record as favoring a ~4-inch fixed-blade, so don't
count this posting more than an additional 6 or 7 times (;-)
i've just pulled up Bob Miller's offering, and, while i would still prefer
a JamesMattis "KnifeWing", the Holly drop-point hunter is a close 2nd.
Beautiful work, sir, especially for the price.