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Chas

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Dec 7, 2000, 12:04:24 PM12/7/00
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could one of you guys help me find the addresses of some of the
suppliers of saddlers and other leatherworkers tools in GB? I'd also be
interested in Australian manufacturers or anyone else that might be
working in the interest area.
I'm interested in things as mundane as thread, needles, awl points and
as expensive as blind stamping tools, bookbinders stuff and upper end
saddlers tools.
Thanks a lot-
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Chas
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Viking Design

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Dec 8, 2000, 6:38:10 PM12/8/00
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 17:04:24 GMT, Chas <gryp...@home.com> wrote:

>could one of you guys help me find the addresses of some of the
>suppliers of saddlers and other leatherworkers tools in GB? I'd also be
>interested in Australian manufacturers or anyone else that might be
>working in the interest area.
>I'm interested in things as mundane as thread, needles, awl points and
>as expensive as blind stamping tools, bookbinders stuff and upper end
>saddlers tools.
>Thanks a lot-
>--
>Chas

I'll take a look at a few possible sources (I'll talk to a couple of
saddlers for a start).

I have to say though that it is sometimes so difficult to find stuff
in the UK that I am tempted to buy from the US. I have even been
toying with the idea of buying some leather and leatherworking tools
from the US so I can try my hand at some sheaths.

Is there any reason why you would want tools from the UK or Australia?
I would have thought that the tools in the US would be pretty much the
best.

Roger

Chas

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Dec 9, 2000, 1:07:24 AM12/9/00
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Viking Design wrote:
> Is there any reason why you would want tools from the UK or Australia?
> I would have thought that the tools in the US would be pretty much the
> best.

You can get a good set of tools through US manufacturers. What they
don't make is some of the older type tools- you can get a strap cutter,
but you can't get a plough gauge- you can get a 'mashing' hammer, but
you can't get glazing tools (saddler's glazers are boning tools)- you
can't get a broad range of threads, awl points, prickers, clams and so
on for fine handstitching through US purveyors.
The same for bookbinders tools, unusual types of hardware and findings-
that sort of thing.
I make 'Best' quality goods (that's a style of work, not a brag <g>)- I
do the absolute best work that I can conceive of doing; no corners cut,
no sloughing for ease of manufactory or machine tolerances or
engineering compromises. It's a type of work suitable for safari or
expeditionary usages that has fallen out of favor except as an artform.
Very often, you can't do the work if you don't have the tool that
produces a particular effect. I've collected the tools for many years
and am always on the lookout for more.

Yvsa G.

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Dec 10, 2000, 1:19:56 AM12/10/00
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Chas have you ever looked at any of the suppliers for American Indian
beadwork and such?
There are some very fine needles and threads used in beadwork and
buckskin.

Best regards.
Yvsa.

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Viking Design

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Dec 10, 2000, 11:46:52 AM12/10/00
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Chas wrote:


>You can get a good set of tools through US manufacturers. What they
>don't make is some of the older type tools- you can get a strap cutter,
>but you can't get a plough gauge- you can get a 'mashing' hammer, but
>you can't get glazing tools (saddler's glazers are boning tools)- you
>can't get a broad range of threads, awl points, prickers, clams and so
>on for fine handstitching through US purveyors.
>The same for bookbinders tools, unusual types of hardware and findings-
>that sort of thing.
>I make 'Best' quality goods (that's a style of work, not a brag <g>)- I
>do the absolute best work that I can conceive of doing; no corners cut,
>no sloughing for ease of manufactory or machine tolerances or
>engineering compromises. It's a type of work suitable for safari or
>expeditionary usages that has fallen out of favor except as an artform.
>Very often, you can't do the work if you don't have the tool that
>produces a particular effect. I've collected the tools for many years
>and am always on the lookout for more.
>--
>Chas

Well, I did a little research. I talked to a lady leatherworker at a
craft fair yesterday. She told me that most saddlers are using the
oldest tools they can keep hold of!
The two names she gave me were Osborne and Bowstock.
On doing some research into Osborne & Co on the web I find they are a
New Jersey company.
Bowstock however seem to be very much English, they even have a
website at http://www.bowstock.co.uk with all sorts of tools.
I'll try a friend of a friend of someone I met in the pub (or
something like that) who is a bookbinder next.

Roger

Chas

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Dec 10, 2000, 1:32:08 PM12/10/00
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Viking Design wrote:
> Well, I did a little research. I talked to a lady leatherworker at a
> craft fair yesterday. She told me that most saddlers are using the
> oldest tools they can keep hold of!

Yes- as the craft fades into obscurity, more and more tools are just not
being made. I use tools every day that were made in the mid to late
nineteenth century.


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> Bowstock however seem to be very much English, they even have a
> website at http://www.bowstock.co.uk with all sorts of tools.

Absolutely and precisely what I was looking for- thanks a lot. What I do
is much like their product line although I combine it with 'Hand Carved,
Full Raised Mexican Saddle Stamping', carving with a swivel knife in the
Western manner.
I can't tell you how valuable that reference is to me.
I appreciate your effort on my behalf.

Chas

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Dec 10, 2000, 1:40:13 PM12/10/00
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"Yvsa G." wrote:
> Chas have you ever looked at any of the suppliers for American Indian
> beadwork and such?
> There are some very fine needles and threads used in beadwork and
> buckskin.

I use a lot of products from that source; mostly the artificial sinew,
large brasses and trade beads and the 'tiger tail'.
My needs, however, lean towards heavy 'thread' (almost a cordage) and
fairly large needles- the awl used is 'diamond' shaped and made like a
small double edged knife; they are sharpenable, differentially tempered
and of varying sizes and lengths.
Thanks for your help.

LAURENCE SEGAL

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Dec 10, 2000, 5:45:21 PM12/10/00
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WOW! now that is great leather work! i am a knifemaker and hve been
farmigout shealth work. are the holiday orders are done i just might get
one of those kits and try my hand. laurence wwwrhinoknives.com

Viking Design

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Dec 19, 2000, 5:25:09 PM12/19/00
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Chas

Not much more here that's of use, just a link to a webpage but you may
get some help from these people:

http://www.hwebber.co.uk/home.htm

HIGH QUALITY HAND TOOLS, NEEDLES & MARKING MEDIA for
PROFESSIONAL UPHOLSTERERS, TAILORS, DRESSMAKERS,
SADDLERS, FURNITURE MAKERS, STUDENTS & ENTHUSIASTS

Well that's what their website says.

Roger

Chas

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Dec 20, 2000, 12:51:44 PM12/20/00
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Viking Design wrote:
> Not much more here that's of use, just a link to a webpage but you may
> get some help from these people:

Hey, thanks again-
Do you have an address for a 'Dixon' company- or a website? My search
engine is not doing too well for overseas companies.
Dixon makes tools like 'Osborne' from what I understand. I have a plough
gauge by them and it is exquisite.

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