Where are switchblades legal
Pete Rennenkampff
Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
North/South America
or Europe?
Pete Rennenkampff
James & Toni Mattis
We North American knife knuts consider Oregon a progressive state, ever
since the Oregon Supreme Court ruled that a switchblade possession and
sale prohibition was a violation of the right to keep and bear arms
under the Oregon constitution. The last time I checked knife laws on the
Net, there was a law there against carrying one concealed. There may be
other progressive states. I recall seeing an ad for switchblade knives
from a company based in Nevada.
California prohibits the carrying of switchblades in public, including
on your person or in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, and
also their manufacture and sale. It would seem that it's OK to open
letters with a switchblade on your desk, as long as nobody questions how
you got it there. If authority figures are searching your home, shop, or
office, you probably have worse problems than the switchblade law.
The U.S. federal switchblade law bans importation, interstate commerce,
and carrying them on federal turf.
When I was in Germany a couple of decades ago, switchblades were sold
openly in knife shops, and I recall that it was Italian switchblades
that were deemed a menace back in the '50s. A few years ago, a visitor
from Germany told me that anybody over 18 could buy a switchblade there.
Don't rely on my advice. Check official sources. When crossing borders,
you should probably pack the most benign-looking knife you can find,
and one which is not so exepensive that you will consider the whole
trip ruined if it frightens some customs official, who takes it away.
- James Mattis
"Love work, hate domination, and do not let your name come to the
attention of the ruling powers." - Talmud/Sayings of the Fathers
Here in Cali
James L. Mayhugh
"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
>North/South America
>or Europe?
>Pete Rennenkampff
Hi Pete,
Automatics knives may be legally owned by citizens in Oregon and Utah,
that I'm aware of. They may NOT however, be carried CONCEALED,
without a permit. There may be other areas, but those two I'm sure of.
Julius Chang
In article <01bb5c75.f526a460$1533...@Gormenghast.electsys.on.ca>,
"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
>North/South America
>or Europe?
NY State in certain very limited circumstances that
generally pertain to hunting.
-Julius
Aubrey Moore
"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
>North/South America
>or Europe?
>
Hi Pete
Cannot comment on North or South America but.......
Forget anything bigger than a photo of a knife (or automatic) to get some
serious attention in the UK.
Come and visit South Africa. You can legally carry your automatic here. A
bonus is that we don't worry about the concealed type laws. If you have a
licenced firearm in South Africa, you have to carry concealed and .....
YOU ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY THIS FIREARM WITH YOU AT ALL TIMES !!!
Cheers
Aubrey from South Africa
Joe Talmadge
James & Toni Mattis (jkm...@earthlink.net) wrote:
> Pete Rennenkampff wrote:
> >
> > Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
> > North/South America
> > or Europe?
> on your person or in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, and
> also their manufacture and sale. It would seem that it's OK to open
> letters with a switchblade on your desk, as long as nobody questions how
> you got it there. If authority figures are searching your home, shop, or
> office, you probably have worse problems than the switchblade law.
I'm too lazy to look it up, but I remember the CA code precluding even
mere ownership of a switchblade with >2" blade. You can't even have
it in your house.
Jeff Yen
On 18 Jun 1996 13:04:17 GMT, Aubrey Moore
<amo...@mail-jhb.sprintlink.co.za> wrote:
I cannot speak for much of the US but I know that switchblades are NOT
legal in California. As a matter of fact, you cannot have a stilletto
in California, nor can you have any concealable weapons. I think that
Massachusets also has laws similar to those in California. The
government has tight laws about knives in California. I think in
Michigan you can legally but kits in order to make a switchblade, but
you cannot have the assembeled knife.
-Jeff
jy...@mother.com
>"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>>Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
>>North/South America
>>or Europe?
>>
Joe Talmadge
Jeff Yen (jy...@mother.com) wrote:
> On 18 Jun 1996 13:04:17 GMT, Aubrey Moore
> <amo...@mail-jhb.sprintlink.co.za> wrote:
> As a matter of fact, you cannot have a stilletto
> in California, nor can you have any concealable weapons.
The above is definitely incorrect.
Without going into details, by state law (there are local laws as well
that you'll need to watch out for) it is illegal to carry concealed
any "dirk or dagger", where the most important part of the definition
of dirk or dagger is "... capable of ready use as a stabbing weapon
... " It's perfectly legal, however, to own, sell, manufacture, etc.
dirks or daggers. In fact, barring restrictions on carry in schools,
government property, etc., and barring any local laws, it is legal to
carry dirks or daggers provided they're not concealed.
George L. Dart
Pete Rennenkampff wrote:
>
> Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
> North/South America
> or Europe?
>
> Pete Rennenkampff
The Benchmade home page has a good disclaimer on their automatics page.
It does a god job of detailing Oregon do's and don'ts and also the
federal employee exceptions.
George
James & Toni Mattis
> > >
> > > Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
> > > North/South America
> > > or Europe?
> > on your person or in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, and
> > also their manufacture and sale. It would seem that it's OK to open
> > letters with a switchblade on your desk, as long as nobody questions how
> > you got it there. If authority figures are searching your home, shop, or
> > office, you probably have worse problems than the switchblade law.
>
> I'm too lazy to look it up, but I remember the CA code precluding even
> mere ownership of a switchblade with >2" blade. You can't even have
> it in your house.
>
> Joe
> j...@cup.hp.com
Here's a copy, if the file attachment routine works right, of the text
of California AB 3314, to amend Section 653k of the Penal Code. The part
about thumb-operated knives is new, and awaiting passage in the State
Senate. The first paragraph, which prohibits stuff, and the general
definition are in the law as it stands now. You can have a switchblade
knife over 2" on your premises, or in the trunk of your car, but not
available to you for easy use in public. Whoever sold or gave you the
knife broke the law.
- James Mattis
Jeff Yen
There is a difference between a stilleto blade and an actual stilleto.
A stilleto has no actual edges, if you looked at the blades from the
point it would have a triangular or diamond shaped blade without
edges.
Tom Kroos
"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>Can some-one tell me if switch-blades are legal in any part of the
>North/South America
>or Europe?
>Pete Rennenkampff
The're illegal in Holland.
Tom Kroos
Rotterdam, Holland
Eric Williams
In a previous post, Jeff Yen (jy...@mother.com) wrote:
Also sometimes called a poin~ard. In any case, CA law is broad enough
to include all these. Unfortunately, it's also presently broad enough
to encompass screwdrivers, hatpins, sharp pencils, etc. Nevertheless,
they're all legal as long as they aren't carried concealed. And I've
noticed that Smokey Mtn. is now wimping out as well and will not ship
daggers to CA, even though they're clearly legal.
--
Eric Williams | wd6...@netcom.com | WD6CMU@WD6CMU.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM
b w edginton
On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:02:50 GMT, do...@instanet.com (Don) wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:46:39 GMT, jy...@mother.com (Jeff Yen) wrote:
>
>>There is a difference between a stilleto blade and an actual stilleto.
>>A stilleto has no actual edges, if you looked at the blades from the
>>point it would have a triangular or diamond shaped blade without
>>edges.
>
>This is not true. A stiletto is basically any knife with a "long,
>slender blade". It can be fixed, like a dagger, or folding, sliding,
>or spring-loaded; the operation is not relevant, only the blade
>profile.
>
>Traditional stilettos were double-edged, and not triangular in
>cross-section, which I believe was an OSS invention to reduce size &
>increase strength, in addition to causing the proverbial "three-edged
>wound" which supposedly would be a "surgeon's nightmare".
>
>No matter what the longitudinal cross-section of the stiletto blade
>might resemble, if it does not have any sharpened cutting edges, it is
>not a knife, even though it may still be used for stabbing, as in the
>case of the ice pick. Knives are specifically edged weapons or tools.
>
>Perhaps an expert in stilettos can tell us whether or not a stiletto
>needs to be a knife (an edged weapon) in addition to having a "long,
>slender blade"?
>
>I personally think it must be edged (a knife) to be considered as a
>legitimate stiletto; if not, then ice picks and screwdrivers are
>stilettos, which seems to strain the definition.
>
>Please post any comments to this newsgroup thread.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Don
Don
All of my reading onthe subject indicates that the original stilettos
were indeed stabbing weapons only.
I have seen quite a few very old examples and they all were square or
triangular in section.
The ones with sharp edges were daggers.
Modern useage of the term " stiletto" is a corruption. I suppose that
does not make it invalid. I have sometimes misused the word myself in
describing slim bladed daggers.
brian
Robert R. Shirley
In <31cca967...@news.uq.edu.au> ed...@om.com.au (b w edginton)
writes:
Interested parties:
The Stiletto is all of the above, however, in pop culture the classic
50's Italian switchblade is what most think as the Stiletto. There is
also the camp that believes that a front opening switchblade is a
stiletto. That's possible, but only is it a blade designed for
piercing. Now, if we go back and examine the classic Italian
switchblade you will find a bayonet blade (or piercing blade). That is
why it is called the Italian Stiletto.
Mack The Knife
assa...@datasync.com
Actually, your both right in your own respects. A stilleto is a long,
slender bladed knife by todays standard, but during the Middle Ages,
the stilleto was a kind of jewerlry piece worn when swords weren't
allowed. Like parties or royal events. This knives were usually of
one piece construction and the blade came in many variations. The two
most popular was the triangle blade, like you, Don, mentioned the OSS
used and the needle blade which was a slender, circular blade. The
were popular early, but later, during the Gothic era, was replace
mostly by the triangle blade. So, by the historical definition, the
stilleto does not have to be sharpened, but by todays standards, by
law, it does.
Ben Lee
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pert...@netcom.com
>"Pete Rennenkampff" <pe...@electsys.on.ca> wrote:
>>Pete Rennenkampff
>Tom Kroos
>Rotterdam, Holland
But legal in France (saw 'em in Paris), Italy (Venice), and Switzerland.
Well, I assume they are legal. They are most definitely available for sale.
They were readily available in Juarez, Mexico about ten years ago.
pertinax
Phillip Buhot
pick is one was made for stabbing and the other was made for breaking
ice.
The OSS dagger was called a stilletto because it was slimmer
than the Fairbairn Sykes fighting knife on which it was based
Andre Buhot
Trevor Calder
A nice person called Don (who can be contacted at do...@instanet.com) told
all the world the following....
<snip all the rest>
>I'm sure that sword enthusiasts
>have absolute measurements which differentiate a rapier from a
>broadsword...
Nope. There is just a gradual change from one to t'other.
Just like 'how long is a knife before it becomes a sword?' there are no
absolute definitons.
I agree it's easy to tell a stiletto (at one end of the scale) from a
dagger (at the other end of the scale) but between the two there isn't a
clearly defined point where one becomes the other.
Good luck in defining one:)
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