Re: Why are switchblades/flick knives illegal in so many places?
Rob Cypher
>Nicko wrote:
>> Mark's sword post cause me to wonder about this.
>>
>> Is it because they have been made to seem so menacing by Hollywood?
>>
>> I just don't get it. I can have my ordinary decent lockblade out of
>> my pocket, opened, and shoved up into your chest cavity in exactly as
>> much time as someone with a switchblade. And certainly much more
>> quickly than someone who has to take off the safety on a switchblade.
>
>Switchblades were popular with Hispanics.
>That's the reason.
Funny, I thought they were just as popular with many immigrants that hailed
from Europe.
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pete
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:30:33 -0500, pete <pfi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Nicko wrote:
>>
>>>Mark's sword post cause me to wonder about this.
>>>
>>>Is it because they have been made to seem so menacing by Hollywood?
>>>
>>>I just don't get it. I can have my ordinary decent lockblade out of
>>>my pocket, opened, and shoved up into your chest cavity in exactly as
>>>much time as someone with a switchblade. And certainly much more
>>>quickly than someone who has to take off the safety on a switchblade.
>>
>>Switchblades were popular with Hispanics.
>>That's the reason.
>
>
> Funny, I thought they were just as popular with many immigrants that hailed
> from Europe.
But nobody making laws, is going to either know or care about that.
The true facts and the reason, don't intersect for racism.
Italians are called Dagos because Diego is a Spanish name.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_dago_or_a_wop
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Fear mongering. Plain and simple. It's easier to point at an item and
say "this is a bad thing" than deal with more complex issues. Tried and
true political posturing.
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Mark Edwards
>Italians are called Dagos because Diego is a Spanish name.
I thought it was because they glow under a black light.
Mark Edwards
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Shelly
"Mark Edwards" <Mark-E...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> No cluons were harmed when pete wrote:
>>Italians are called Dagos because Diego is a Spanish name.
>
> I thought it was because they glow under a black light.
No, that's pee.
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Otto Bahn
>>>Italians are called Dagos because Diego is a Spanish name.
>>
>> I thought it was because they glow under a black light.
>
> No, that's pee.
And semen.
--oTTo--
David E. Powell
said we should re legalize switch blades.
Same as any other knife in my book. Gravity knives also get the
treatment, but are basically the same as any other blade once out.
Butterfly knives get banned a lot, probably to prevent injury to their
users who try to play fancy twirling them and catch themselves.
DEP
A good old Fairbairn(sp) is still the best....
the wharf rat
A cheap fillet knife. One of those plastic handled ones from Target.
(cross posting preserved... go, trolls...)
reverend johnboy
deer in under 5 minutes. I ain't skeered of no switchblade.
Guy Namechanger
"David E. Powell" <David_Po...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Old law, and no one wants to be running for re-election as hey guy who
> said we should re legalize switch blades.
>
next crusade.
jared mercer
knife once. i gave him a dollar to go away. he just kept following
me with a 1 inch blade for like 2 blocks and kept backing off every
time i turned around, he being in that paranoid crackhead delierium.
it took him a full minute to uncover the blade and figure out that he
needed to point it at me for me to figure out that he was trying to
threaten me with it. i saw him 1hr later at the bus station and he
tried to sell me crack. i dont really like philly.
Rob Cypher
wrote:
why didn't you whip his ass, superman?
David E. Powell
> In article <912e131a-3bdc-48e5-a2af-9b48e2fdb...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> David E. Powell <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >A good old Fairbairn(sp) is still the best....
>
> A cheap fillet knife. One of those plastic handled ones from Target.
>
> (cross posting preserved... go, trolls...)
Good point, ahem. I fished a lot as a kid and the fish knife still
commands a healthy respect. Practical, available almost anywhere and
quite impressive.
Don Stockbauer
wrote:
> On Nov 23, 4:37 pm, w...@panix.com (the wharf rat) wrote:
>
> > In article <912e131a-3bdc-48e5-a2af-9b48e2fdb...@m35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
> > David E. Powell <David_Powell3...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > >A good old Fairbairn(sp) is still the best....
>
> > A cheap fillet knife. One of those plastic handled ones from Target.
>
> > (cross posting preserved... go, trolls...)
>
> Good point, ahem. I fished a lot as a kid and the fish knife still
> commands a healthy respect. Practical, available almost anywhere and
> quite impressive.
Why are switchblades/flick knives illegal in so many places?
Because you can use them to cut the fuck outta people??????????
Mark Edwards
>Why are switchblades/flick knives illegal in so many places?
>
>Because you can use them to cut the fuck outta people??????????
Then why aren't cheese graters and potato peelers illegal? Or are they?
Don Stockbauer
> No cluons were harmed when Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
> >Why are switchblades/flick knives illegal in so many places?
>
> >Because you can use them to cut the fuck outta people??????????
>
> Then why aren't cheese graters and potato peelers illegal? Or are they?
"Take that, you dastardly attacker, you! I peeled the skin right off
your cheek! Hah, hah, hah, buddy."
Otto Bahn
> >Why are switchblades/flick knives illegal in so many places?
>
> >Because you can use them to cut the fuck outta people??????????
>
> Then why aren't cheese graters and potato peelers illegal? Or are they?
<
<"Take that, you dastardly attacker, you! I peeled the skin right off
<your cheek! Hah, hah, hah, buddy."
Take a blender and remove the container part. Now point
the rotating blades at someone's crotch.
That's a fucking weapon for you.
--oTTo--
Nicko
> "Don Stockbauer" <don.stockba...@gmail.com> wrote
The blades will still be idle in the container. Some fucking weapon!
Come to think of it, it would still fucking hurt:
"I will drill your scrotum with the axle of this motor!"
Bzeeeeeeeeeet!Gnarrrrrrararararagggggnarrrr!
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Chilla
> No cluons were harmed when pete wrote:
>
>>Italians are called Dagos because Diego is a Spanish name.
>
>
> I thought it was because they glow under a black light.
>
>
> Mark Edwards
If you really must know, it has to do with work ethic.
If you didn't tell them to stop working they would keep going.
So pig-English was used "Day Go!", to tell the workers to stop.
Regards Charles
Chilla
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:30:33 -0500, pete <pfi...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Nicko wrote:
>>
>>>Mark's sword post cause me to wonder about this.
>>>
>>>Is it because they have been made to seem so menacing by Hollywood?
>>>
>>>I just don't get it. I can have my ordinary decent lockblade out of
>>>my pocket, opened, and shoved up into your chest cavity in exactly as
>>>much time as someone with a switchblade. And certainly much more
>>>quickly than someone who has to take off the safety on a switchblade.
>>
>>Switchblades were popular with Hispanics.
>>That's the reason.
Well it's illegal in Australia, because... well what isn't illegal in
Australia?
Regards Charles
ArchDeaconMalli
> On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:21:05 -0800 (PST), jared mercer <manteca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >i had a crackhead off of girard ave in philly try to rob me with a pen
> >knife once. i gave him a dollar to go away. he just kept following
> >me with a 1 inch blade for like 2 blocks and kept backing off every
> >time i turned around, he being in that paranoid crackhead delierium.
> >it took him a full minute to uncover the blade and figure out that he
> >needed to point it at me for me to figure out that he was trying to
> >threaten me with it. i saw him 1hr later at the bus station and he
> >tried to sell me crack. i dont really like philly.
>
> why didn't you whip his ass, superman?
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pete
They're legal in Mexico too. When I bought mine,
it came in a little box labeled "Fishing Knife"
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sk3tchA
have a law banning "dagger knives" which is any knife with a double
edge blade. What's so fucked about it is that you can buy one right
over the counter in just about any hardware or sporting goods store
(without showing any ID or special permit) then carry it outside and
get arrested for having it. I agree also that switchblades aren't more
dangerous than any other type of knife, folding or not. In fact, most
folding knives (including switchblades and flick knives) actually suck
for knife fighting, because of the construction of the handle. Any
knife without a stout crossbar seperating the blade from the handle is
actually very dangerous to the user of it. Blood is slippery stuff,
and once you strike the first blow, the weapon will be difficult to
keep hold of. What's likely to happen is that your hand will slide off
the handle and onto the blade, cutting yourself. In the slam the best
shanks aren't the ones you see in the movies, with a sharpened point
sticking out the end of a handle, but what we called a "punchknife".
This is made by having the blade run perpendicular to the handle, so
it protrudes from between your knuckles. This is much better for a
variety of reasons. It's deadlier (normal boxing blows make you an
expert) and It's easier to keep hold of when wet. Most skilled,
experienced bladefighters would tell you that the two best knives of
all time for actual combat are the bowie, and the sykes-fairbain
commando knife, made famous by the SAS. Personally, I'd take a
punchknife with a little 3 or 4 inch blade over a switchblade or buck
knife anyday.
regards,
sk3tch
Chilla
Well, you have to live within the law, to do otherwise would make you a
criminal.
However, there are usually ways around such laws, as long as you do a
little research.
In Australia, a lot of toys that the Americans play with are not
available to the general public. You will never be able to walk the
street with these items in your pocket (and in Australia we don't need
to), but you can own them for private collections if you get the proper
licenses.
The argument for a switch blade in Australia is that it's a concealed
weapon (it's a poor argument, and technical at best).
Defending yourself by force of arms is okay in Oz, and that's as bad as
it usually gets. We have more than enough Police to keep us safe.
Punch knives are also on the prohibited weapons list.
The best weapon is a good Police force ;-)
I've been knife fighting for more than 25 years (sparring), and I've
never had to use any of it in a real fight.
Knife fighting isn't really about the knife, it's about the fighter.
Regards Charles
sk3tchA
>
> I've been knife fighting for more than 25 years (sparring), and I've
> never had to use any of it in a real fight.
>
> Knife fighting isn't really about the knife, it's about the fighter.
>
well said, charles.
as you probably know, someone unwilling to risk cut-up forearms by
grabbing the opponent's (enemy's) knife wrist as tactic #1 is almost
always sure to lose... NUFF SAID!
here in the states the best tactic is this : bring a knife to a
fistfight, a gun to a knife-fight, and a bomb to a gunfight! After
that, well, I don't know!
Chilla
> well said, charles.
>
> as you probably know, someone unwilling to risk cut-up forearms by
> grabbing the opponent's (enemy's) knife wrist as tactic #1 is almost
> always sure to lose... NUFF SAID!
>
> here in the states the best tactic is this : bring a knife to a
> fistfight, a gun to a knife-fight, and a bomb to a gunfight! After
> that, well, I don't know!
Funny you should say that, the comment "Why take a knife to a gun
fight?" was used previously on the knife list.
It was to do with a very large wasted steel knife. I must admit I gave
that knife a bagging, I didn't use the term "crowbar", but I came close.
Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
the street legal ordinance would be at home at a minor military action.
We've never really had guns here in Australia, our population is small
enough that we don't need them for protection. We don't even need
knives for protection.
Target shooters, farmers/hunters and collectors are the only people that
want/need them.
Knives, apart from utility knives are really just for collectors.
It's a different country with a different social culture.
Regards Charles
the wharf rat
Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
>as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
A knife and a gun are totally different tools. Even in a martial
context.
>Knives, apart from utility knives are really just for collectors.
I'd hate to be a line chef in Sydney :-)
Nestor Kiklu
experienced bladefighters would tell you that the two best knives of
> all time for actual combat are the bowie, and the sykes-fairbain
> commando knife, made famous by the SAS. Personally, I'd take a
> punchknife with a little 3 or 4 inch blade over a switchblade or buck
The Fairbairn-Sykes knife was designed by these two blokes who were Brit
police officers in the Far East, Shanghai if my memory still works. It
was made famous by Brit Commandos in WW2. It does appear on the SAS cap
badge but this was after it was in service. The real thing sells for
�600+ in specialist auctions.
The same gentlemen wrote "All Out Fighting" a handbook for close quarter
combat. It has hints on how to kill a German with your boots
(illustrated) and other handy hints and tips.
BTW "knife fighting" is not a taught subject in the SAS. Disarming
enemies is in the syllabus but if the bloke is attacking you with a
knife you shoot him. Easy.
Nestor
sk3tchA
Chilla
the wharf rat wrote:
> In article <4b0de021$0$5423$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
>>as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
>
>
> A knife and a gun are totally different tools. Even in a martial
> context.
True, but I think if you had the choice to carry a gun or a knife you'd
choose the gun.
>>Knives, apart from utility knives are really just for collectors.
>
>
> I'd hate to be a line chef in Sydney :-)
I use the term "utility" in it's proper sense.
A chef would also be using this knife in a place of work, not walking
the street with it "ready" ;-)
There are clauses in the knife laws that can guarantee that you can
carry a blade. "If the people in the general vicinity don't feel
threatened... ". If you do get arrested you just need to remember the
relevant laws in the summary offenses act. Then you can bust the
arresting officer with wrongful arrest.
That is : i) If you have a tiny little knife, in your pocket, no one's
going to feel threatened, so in theory you will be safe from prosecution.
ii) If you have a Crocodile Dundee knife, in your pocket (good luck by
the way), then people will feel threatened, and you will probably find
yourself successfully charged.
iii) If you had that same knife in a nice presentation box, then this
would take away the threat (also the intent is changed), and you could
argue your way out of prosecution.
---
If you make knives it pays to know the laws, and impending laws, so that
you can either fight them, or adapt to them.
Regards Charles
pete
Most obvious revisionary bullshit ever!!!
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David E. Powell
If you have a gun in your hand that is ready to fire yes.
Cydrome Leader
>
>
> the wharf rat wrote:
>> In article <4b0de021$0$5423$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>,
>> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
>>>as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
>>
>>
>> A knife and a gun are totally different tools. Even in a martial
>> context.
>
> True, but I think if you had the choice to carry a gun or a knife you'd
> choose the gun.
I'd carry the knife. It can be used for everyday tasks. They're one of the
most useful tools you can have.
Fraser Johnston
"Chilla" <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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> Well it's illegal in Australia, because... well what isn't illegal in
> Australia?
Drinking beer by the carton.
Fraser
Good Soldier Schweik
I've carried a pocket knife since I was 8 or 9 years old - still got
the scar on my leg from whittling with the first knife I ever had.
Given to me by my Grandfather. Yup, learned to whittle away from
rather then toward early on :-)
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Chilla
> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>True, but I think if you had the choice to carry a gun or a knife you'd
>>choose the gun.
>
>
> I'd carry the knife. It can be used for everyday tasks. They're one of the
> most useful tools you can have.
This is where knife carry laws can get tricky.
If you carry a knife for the purpose of self defense then in Australia
you'd get into trouble.
If you carry a knife to gut fish, that's a reasonable reason to carry.
If you have that same knife in your pocket, and used the excuse that you
are going to gut fish, whilst out night clubbing...
It's a matter of context.
In America it's not uncommon to find people carrying guns for self
defense. Carrying a knife for self defense in America would be
ridiculous. "Why take a knife to a gun fight?"
As far as carrying a tool goes there are plenty of legal items that
would leave a knife for dead, multi tools come to mind (and they
sometimes conceal a blade).
Regards Charles
Chilla
Fraser Johnston wrote:
And a good thing too, I think there'd be rioting on the streets if
prohibition came back.
When you had prohibition, we had early closing, so we have never been a
"dry" country ;-)
Charles
Cydrome Leader
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>True, but I think if you had the choice to carry a gun or a knife you'd
>>>choose the gun.
>>
>>
>> I'd carry the knife. It can be used for everyday tasks. They're one of the
>> most useful tools you can have.
>
> This is where knife carry laws can get tricky.
>
> If you carry a knife for the purpose of self defense then in Australia
> you'd get into trouble.
>
> If you carry a knife to gut fish, that's a reasonable reason to carry.
>
> If you have that same knife in your pocket, and used the excuse that you
> are going to gut fish, whilst out night clubbing...
>
> It's a matter of context.
It's the same in the US.
Flashing a 8" kitchen knife on the streets of downtown might get the cops
interested in what's going on.
A student leaving culinary school a few blocks away that's obviously
carrying their knife roll won't be bothered.
Lots of laws here are intentionally vague so they can be selectively
enforced.
I've had a knife confiscated by the police. Was it legal in the first
place? Probably not, but nobody really knew or cared. I was able to get it
back from the police a few days later. I even asked questions like what's
the definition of a knife. The office I spoke to (and these are the only
people that would even take a knife away in the first place) said they
consider anything a knife if it's sharp and you are or might use it as a
weapon.
The laws on the books don't really agree, but that's for the courts to
decide if something were to escalate to that point.
If you're not being an jackass, nobody really cares what you are doing for
the most part.
If you carry some chromed pistol and you like to blind people with it to
show off, you're probably going to run into trouble. If nobody knows you
even have it, nothing will ever happen.
> In America it's not uncommon to find people carrying guns for self
> defense. Carrying a knife for self defense in America would be
> ridiculous. "Why take a knife to a gun fight?"
Who said all crime is gun based? FWIW, it's not.
> As far as carrying a tool goes there are plenty of legal items that
> would leave a knife for dead, multi tools come to mind (and they
> sometimes conceal a blade).
The knife in multitools tend to border on virtually useless. Plus it's
nice to be able to have a cutting edge available without losing your
fingernails or slicing your other fingers open on nonsense items like can
openers. There may be some higher end multi tools that don't suffer from
this, but none will open as fast, open a box or mail or cut rope as fast
as even a cheapo pocket knife.
sk3tchA
to have some good shit over there. I would think that you could find
excellent dope, but probably you're too far from south america to have
really good coke cheap. Just my .02
regards,
sk3tch
David Smith
Aussies? My dad spent some time there while waiting to ship out to
several hell hole islands during WW 2, and he told me the people there
were among the kindest, toughest, strongest people he had ever met, and
how fiercely independent they were. Not the kind of people who let
others take care of them and keep them safe. Even in Australia you don't
have a policeman in your back pocket to save you if you are attacked.
Best regards,
David
Good Soldier Schweik
wrote:
It appears that they mostly died out. I've a mate who turned down a
chance to ride on the last long distance stock drive done in W.
Australia in order to muster his own stock (and has regretted it ever
since) but he is nearly 80 years old.
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Del Cecchi
place with that many police? One on every corner? One outside your
house? How are they from stopping the rampaging gangs I keep reading
about?
Here in the USA it is decided law that the police have no
responsibility for one's safety. If you call them and they don't show
up in time (or ever) that is too bad. How is it in Oz? do the
survivors get to sue for tardy response?
del
Del Cecchi
Uh, criminals don't worry about "street legal" since they are
criminals. Dope dealing, robbery, and murder are also generally
unlawful as is possession of a firearm by a felon. So why worry.
You don't need protection? What is population of your three largest
cities?
del
>
Rev. 11D Meow!
Why Gee Duhbya Bloosh ain't peeresident no mo'...
"so, as you all know, the election of the year has caused a lot of
tension between races in some states. my problem is that in the state
that i live in, i feel like i could be a target for abuse or murder
all because of the current election. it honestly has me afraid to
leave my house or be home alone because of all the crime going on.
should i be afraid of going outside or what should i do to stop being
so scared of people that i don't even know?"
- some dumb-ass knife-wielding dumb-ass
Rev. 11D Meow!
what is population of crabs in your nutsack hairs, huh dumbass?
Mark Edwards
>You don't need protection? What is population of your three largest
>cities?
The almanack says "dense". Who needs protection from dumb people?
Mark Edwards
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"Rev. 11D Meow!" <Ji...@Crack.corn> wrote in message
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same as your IQ. zero.
sorry for not noticing xpost.
Chilla
> You have enough police to keep you safe? I wouldn't feel safe in any
> place with that many police? One on every corner? One outside your
> house? How are they from stopping the rampaging gangs I keep reading
> about?
>
> Here in the USA it is decided law that the police have no
> responsibility for one's safety. If you call them and they don't show
> up in time (or ever) that is too bad. How is it in Oz? do the
> survivors get to sue for tardy response?
>
> del
Yeah we do have enough Police. Not on every corner, but it's the fact
that they are not overloaded, or undermanned that makes the difference.
Those rampaging gangs(?), that's just a media beat-up :-D It's very
interesting to hear these stories come back. Chinese whispers.
The response time is very swift with any of our emergency services.
They're not overloaded. There's no litigation, as the Police always
turn up quickly.
From what I can gather the Police forces in the States "are"
overloaded, and undermanned. I have a friend that works in a Sheriffs
department in the states, and they recently laid off staff. The demand
was still there.
So in your situation you have to look after yourself. We don't have to
do that.
Even in our worst and roughest neighbour hoods, there's minimal threat.
Regards Charles
Guy Namechanger
countries would be safer.
Chilla
Self defense is, of course, reasonable. You can beat the living
daylights out of an attacker, as long as they make the first move.
WW2 was a long time ago, and you are correct we have gotten a little
softer. We do rely on our Police forces, a lot, at least in the cities.
Saying that, we will pull together in a pinch, and we'll always have a
friends back, if there's ever a situation, it's in our nature. You can
rely on us in a fight.
These days we wont have a bar room brawl at the drop of a hat ;-)
"F*ck off ya' c*nt!", wont see you in the Dentist chair, as it used to.
It'll be laughed off.
You really have to try these days to get us to blow our stacks.
I've walked through very nasty areas (and what we consider nasty areas
is a pale shadow of the nasty areas in the States), at night without issue.
I'm not large, by Australian standards, 6'1" 108 kg, I am fit though for
my age... average. So I'd be considered a legitimate target for a
mugging, yet I haven't been mugged.
I personally know of only two people that have been mugged. One was on
a train in Australia, before the transport Police were upgraded. The
other was mugged in America, at gun point, and she tried to talk the
mugger down. At least she got the mugger laughing enough to walk away
with just her money.
Regards Charles
Chilla
> Uh, criminals don't worry about "street legal" since they are
> criminals. Dope dealing, robbery, and murder are also generally
> unlawful as is possession of a firearm by a felon. So why worry.
>
> You don't need protection? What is population of your three largest
> cities?
>
> del
I'm 43 years old and I haven't needed personal protection ever, and as
far as Police protection, I've never had to call on them (touch wood).
Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe the Police are doing their job.
The three largest cities in Australia (2008)?
Sydney: population - 4.4 million
Melbourne: population - 3.9 million
Brisbane: population - 1.9 million
Total population approximately 21 million
The three largest cities in North America?
New York City 2007: population - 18.8 million
Los Angeles 2006: population - 12.9 million
Chicago 2006: population - 9.8 million
Total population (currently) approximately 300 million
*** Please note: The land mass of North America, is pretty much the
same as that of the island of Australia. We are mostly uninhabited.
Regards Charles
Dr. HotSalt
<peterduncanismyn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Chilla" <charlesander...@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
Every American who thinks that should emigrate to Australia. You'd
be happier, those who don't agree with you would be happier.
FLAWLESS WIN-WIN!
Dr. HotSalt
Chilla
> every gun in the U.S. should be taken away and sent to Australia. both
> countries would be safer.
They'd either be confiscated or turned into novelty paperweights :-(
Charles
Chilla
Dr. HotSalt wrote:
> Every American who thinks that should emigrate to Australia. You'd
> be happier, those who don't agree with you would be happier.
>
> FLAWLESS WIN-WIN!
>
>
> Dr. HotSalt
That's a pretty good argument.
Mind you the bonus of living in Australia, is that we have copious
amounts of ice cold beer, and more prime A-grade steaks for the BBQ than
you could ever eat, readily available.
Living on an island isn't so bad ;-)
Regards Charles
Chilla
> Most obvious revisionary bullshit ever!!!
Meh... it was told to me by an old gent that used to manage immigrant
workers in Australia.
Maybe he was pulling my leg, but that's the story.
Regards Charles
Bryce Utting
> *** Please note: The land mass of North America, is pretty much the
I[1]FYPFY.
butting
[1] on behalf of the snakes, spiders, snakes, crocs, snakes,
jellyfish, and snakes. oh, and the spiders.
--
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting
> Local newspaper today had a headline "New font for Cathedral"
They just want to advertise that they minister to all types.
-- SteveD vs Tanuki
Cydrome Leader
> Del Cecchi wrote:
>> Uh, criminals don't worry about "street legal" since they are
>> criminals. Dope dealing, robbery, and murder are also generally
>> unlawful as is possession of a firearm by a felon. So why worry.
>>
>> You don't need protection? What is population of your three largest
>> cities?
>>
>> del
>
> I'm 43 years old and I haven't needed personal protection ever, and as
> far as Police protection, I've never had to call on them (touch wood).
>
> Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe the Police are doing their job.
>
> The three largest cities in Australia (2008)?
>
> Sydney: population - 4.4 million
> Melbourne: population - 3.9 million
> Brisbane: population - 1.9 million
>
> Total population approximately 21 million
>
>
> The three largest cities in North America?
>
> New York City 2007: population - 18.8 million
> Los Angeles 2006: population - 12.9 million
> Chicago 2006: population - 9.8 million
that would be for the chicago area, chicago itself is under 3 million.
John Cook
Bryce Utting <but...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> > *** Please note: The land mass of North America, is pretty much the
> > same as that of the island of Australia. We are mostly uninhabitable.
>
> I[1]FYPFY.
>
>
> butting
>
> [1] on behalf of the snakes, spiders, snakes, crocs, snakes,
> jellyfish, and snakes. oh, and the spiders.
You left out the stinging plant from North Queensland rain forest - one
touch and it hurts like hell for days - then hurts whenever you get it
wet for another month or so...
--
The Greater Encloses the Lesser
Chilla
Bryce Utting wrote:
> Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>>*** Please note: The land mass of North America, is pretty much the
>>same as that of the island of Australia. We are mostly uninhabitable.
>
>
> I[1]FYPFY.
>
>
> butting
>
> [1] on behalf of the snakes, spiders, snakes, crocs, snakes,
> jellyfish, and snakes. oh, and the spiders.
They're okay, just don't piss 'em off (sounds like a lot of my relatives
:-D ).
The snakes are the ones that get cranky, and will chase you.
Regards Charles
Chilla
John Cook wrote:
> You left out the stinging plant from North Queensland rain forest - one
> touch and it hurts like hell for days - then hurts whenever you get it
> wet for another month or so...
Cool, you also have to remember not to annoy a male platypus either,
they have a toxic spine on their back flippers. Wont kill you, but it
does hurt a bit.
The flora and fauna is a little rugged, but every country has a few
nasties (granted we have our fair share).
The occasional surprise can be funny. A ring tail possum surprised me
when I was feeding some of my pets at night. I have night blindness and
was feeding them by memory.
A little pink nose sniffed my shin, gave me a start, gave the possum a
start. Funny stuff.
Regards Charles
Chilla
Cydrome Leader wrote:
I took that into consideration. The Australian figures are for the
Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane "area" also.
The figures correlate.
Another interesting figure. In about 50 years we'll have a population
of 35 million. America will have something in the vicinity of 450 million.
Regards Charles
Good Soldier Schweik
Come on Charley, 6 foot tall and 237 pounds? I've seen a bunch of
Aussies and you are one of the big uns if you're that size.
(At least the ones in W. Australia and the N.T. are littler :-)
>
>I personally know of only two people that have been mugged. One was on
>a train in Australia, before the transport Police were upgraded. The
>other was mugged in America, at gun point, and she tried to talk the
>mugger down. At least she got the mugger laughing enough to walk away
>with just her money.
>Regards Charles
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Steve Thompson
> sk3tchA wrote:
> >well said, charles.
> >
> >as you probably know, someone unwilling to risk cut-up forearms by
> >grabbing the opponent's (enemy's) knife wrist as tactic #1 is almost
> >always sure to lose... NUFF SAID!
> >
> >here in the states the best tactic is this : bring a knife to a
> >fistfight, a gun to a knife-fight, and a bomb to a gunfight! After
> >that, well, I don't know!
>
> Funny you should say that, the comment "Why take a knife to a gun
> fight?" was used previously on the knife list.
The mythology of conflict seems crippled by a lack of understanding
among it's civilian adherents as compared to the tactics of
militarized populations. If a conflict becomes more than about what
two individuals bring to the fight, the addition of small-unit tactics
adds an entirely new dimension to the subject.
If you threaten me with a knife, and then I go and assemble a group of
dumb thugs to break into your house and beat you in your sleep, you'll
wish you'd had more than a Remington 12-gauge locked up in a closet.
You'll probably want a 7/24 surveillance operation on the person you
threatened so you know where he is while you figure out why it didn't
work quite as planned. Then when you've figured it all out, you'll
also probably want practise some small-unit tactics so you can go back
and do the job properly.
This may sound extreme, but you probably shouldn't underestimate the
value of small-unit tactics in highly urbanized environments. Down in
Texas, where open carry is legal, I've heard of people getting
together and doing coordinated formation rehersals in rush-hour
down-town Dallas pedestrian traffic. Invisibility is the ideal, while
also having personnel optimally positioned to deliver ordinance to the
target. Having a sympathetic local population helps, of course, but
people who like a challenge travel to foreign countries and hold their
excercises in the cities. It's great fun for all concerned. One guy,
who said he did this with his dive buddies all over the world, swore
they had even been approached by a CIA recruiter who was impressed
with their subtlety and success at staying out of trouble.
> It was to do with a very large wasted steel knife. I must admit I gave
> that knife a bagging, I didn't use the term "crowbar", but I came close.
Say, if I file down 1/2 of a crowbar and give it an edge does that
make it technically a knife? Could I file a patent claim for such a
thing?
> Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
> as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
> the street legal ordinance would be at home at a minor military action.
It bothers me sometimes to think of all the crazy right-wing
middle-American zealots running around with all that firepower and bad
head work in such close proximity. Say guys, don't forget to engage
the safety on your pieces before you put them in your belts.
> We've never really had guns here in Australia, our population is small
> enough that we don't need them for protection. We don't even need
> knives for protection.
Rumour has it there's some special surprise legislation in the works
for knife owners up here. I can't imagine what it would be, but
chances are it won't affect noisy psychotic man-children much at all.
> Target shooters, farmers/hunters and collectors are the only people that
> want/need them.
>
> Knives, apart from utility knives are really just for collectors.
>
> It's a different country with a different social culture.
No doubt your former shooting population has diverted their interest
in firearms to more wholesome pursuits. Is it still popular to tie an
abbo to the bonnet of your car and then go offroading through the
outback? Or have they, too succumbed to the relentless march of
liberalism.
Regards,
Steve
--
No shirt?
No shoes?
No service.
Chilla
>>It was to do with a very large wasted steel knife. I must admit I gave
>>that knife a bagging, I didn't use the term "crowbar", but I came close.
>
>
> Say, if I file down 1/2 of a crowbar and give it an edge does that
> make it technically a knife? Could I file a patent claim for such a
> thing?
Patent, not sure, but I am making a can opener our of a crowbar... I
came from a comment about a guy using a screwdriver and a hammer to open
a tin of peaches.
>>Regardless the point in America is that a knife is pretty much useless,
>>as you can carry guns. And we're not talking pop-guns either. Some of
>>the street legal ordinance would be at home at a minor military action.
>
>
> It bothers me sometimes to think of all the crazy right-wing
> middle-American zealots running around with all that firepower and bad
> head work in such close proximity. Say guys, don't forget to engage
> the safety on your pieces before you put them in your belts.
Don't mind me, I'm just parroting stuff I've seen in American Police
shows like "Cops" etc.
Just a question, what "can't" you get in the way of firearms. I saw on
Mythbusters the other day a 50 cal. rifle. It made a big boom :-O
>>We've never really had guns here in Australia, our population is small
>>enough that we don't need them for protection. We don't even need
>>knives for protection.
>
>
> Rumour has it there's some special surprise legislation in the works
> for knife owners up here. I can't imagine what it would be, but
> chances are it won't affect noisy psychotic man-children much at all.
Knives are too entrenched in society for them ever to go.
>>Target shooters, farmers/hunters and collectors are the only people that
>>want/need them.
>>
>>Knives, apart from utility knives are really just for collectors.
>>
>>It's a different country with a different social culture.
>
>
> No doubt your former shooting population has diverted their interest
> in firearms to more wholesome pursuits. Is it still popular to tie an
> abbo to the bonnet of your car and then go offroading through the
> outback? Or have they, too succumbed to the relentless march of
> liberalism.
The keen shooters, still have their guns, but under strict controls and
regulations.
Tie an abbo on the bonnet? Aboriginal jokes died out in the late 70's.
People still say them on occasion, but no one finds them funny.
Well, as long as I get my steaks and beer, nothing else much matters ;-)
Regards Charles
Don Stockbauer
Maybe he'll catch some sort of fatal disease.
Chilla
Don Stockbauer wrote:
> Maybe he'll catch some sort of fatal disease.
I have a mental disability... is that good enough? Charles
Mark Edwards
>I have a mental disability...
Looking at the newsgroups header, I thought that was self-evident...
pete
I don't why, he swallowed the fleas ...
> Maybe he'll catch some sort of fatal disease.
--
pete
Chilla
Mark Edwards wrote:
> No cluons were harmed when Chilla wrote:
>
>>I have a mental disability...
>
>
> Looking at the newsgroups header, I thought that was self-evident...
rec.knives?
Rev. Susie the Floozie
Calling Dr Freud! Calling Dr Freud!! It's up over one hundred posts,
with no end in sight!
The thread that will not die has revealed entirely too much about you
dick-bearin' varmints for my taste. Sad. Sad. And I thought *video
games* provided enough sublimated compensation for your pants-pissing
impotence fears...!
Mark Edwards
No cluons were harmed when Chilla wrote:
>>>I have a mental disability...
Mark Edwards wrote:
>> Looking at the newsgroups header, I thought that was self-evident...
No cluons were harmed when Chilla wrote:
>rec.knives?
alt.religion.kibology, alt.slack, rec.sport.pro-wrestling, alt.drugs.hard,
rec.knives
Del Cecchi
The main types of guns that are unlawful are fully automatic ones
(machine guns) and shotguns with barrels less than 18 inches (sawed
off or short barrelled shotguns). I am pretty sure cannons and
artillery pieces are also unlawful but I am not sure what category
they fall under.
Mark
and power, the constraints associated
with and defined by Maslow's levels of
development essentially became usurped,
leaving him, just as we saw with Michael
Jackson, essentially free to spiral down
to become a victim of his own whims
and proclivities, ultimately losing all sense
of the basic boundries which keep the
human condition in check.
---
Mark
David DeLaney
...Mark? Not that you're not Allowed or nothin', but at least try to make it
_visibly_ deviated from on-topic for the various crossposts. This was just
pathetic. We get spammers who do better.
(Translation: there's already a thread crossposted to hell and back over these
groups, go troll them THERE, and make it possible to tell you're trolling too.
It's an ART, not a cigarette lighter.)
Dave
--
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
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Cydrome Leader
>
>
> Cydrome Leader wrote:
>
>> In rec.knives Chilla <charles...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>The three largest cities in Australia (2008)?
>>>
>>>Sydney: population - 4.4 million
>>>Melbourne: population - 3.9 million
>>>Brisbane: population - 1.9 million
>>>
>>>Total population approximately 21 million
>>>
>>>
>>>The three largest cities in North America?
>>>
>>>New York City 2007: population - 18.8 million
>>>Los Angeles 2006: population - 12.9 million
>>>Chicago 2006: population - 9.8 million
>>
>>
>> that would be for the chicago area, chicago itself is under 3 million.
>
> I took that into consideration. The Australian figures are for the
> Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane "area" also.
>
> The figures correlate.
Sounds good.
I just had my carry knife sharpened today at a restaurant supply place.
I'd normally do it myself, but my wheel is out of true and just ruins
stuff at this point.
They had the largest shife sharpening operation I've ever seen. That's
another place where there were some serious knives being being carried in
and out with nobody freaking out or caring.
Microtech had some passes on the water cooled belt sander, then was
rubbed some sort of stone (was hard to see with the person's back in the
way) then off to the stopping wheel, and a few more passes on another
stone on the counter.
One guy came in with a bundle of knives about 2 feet long. There wasn't a
chance to ask him what they used for. They looked very utilitarian.
Father Haskell
> Say, if I file down 1/2 of a crowbar and give it an edge does that
> make it technically a knife? Could I file a patent claim for such a
> thing?
Generally O-1 or 1095 tool steel, aka "drill rod."
Heat treats easily, very good choice.
Chilla
> Calling Dr Freud! Calling Dr Freud!! It's up over one hundred posts,
> with no end in sight!
>
> The thread that will not die has revealed entirely too much about you
> dick-bearin' varmints for my taste. Sad. Sad. And I thought *video
> games* provided enough sublimated compensation for your pants-pissing
> impotence fears...!
I think knives are popular with everyone.
Most people in the world have at least one in their homes.
Mind you there's a certain satisfaction in tearing a nice juicy steak
apart and eating it, with just hands and teeth ;-)
Impotence fears... lol, I've been married for 25 years :-D
Regards Charles
Matthew L. Martin
If they were somewhat curved, they were probably carcass knives. I have
one that was ground down too small for slaughter house work. It is still
the largest knife I own.
IME, locksmiths, especially retired ones, are a great source of
discarded knives. Most of my kitchen knives came from a retired
locksmith over 25 years ago. I think the lot of 7 cost me $25 dollars.
--
I have two granddaughters:
Alex will find a way to silently get from where she is to where she
wants to be.
Anna will make an Anna sized hole between where she is to where she
wants to be.
Chilla
Usually, but more likely mystery metal.
You'd probably have to make a small test cutting edge first to see if
the metal could hold an edge and have a little flex.
If it holds an edge, that's part 1).
If it flexes that's part 2)
An alloy only has to pass part 1) to make a blade. Part 2) determines
how thin you can make the blade.
The reason that you do a sampling like this with mystery metal, is that
you have no guarantee that the next crow bar will be the same alloy.
Regards Charles
Good Soldier Schweik
Actually it is not illegal to own a machine gun, at least as far as
the U.S. Government goes - but it does require a federal license.
Some of the states laws are rather draconian though. In California it
is illegal to own a firearm with threads on the end of the barrel (so
something can be screwed on). they lump these in with the Assault
Rifles. This is to prevent installation of a sound suppressor they say
- it also forestalls the installation of a muzzle brake in many cases.
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Del Cecchi
"Good Soldier Schweik" <decypher....@sig.line> wrote in message
news:eccbh5lu22uococ80...@4ax.com...
And said license which allows you to own late model full auto weapons
is quite difficult to obtain, as I understand it. The one that allows
weapons before like 1934 is somewhat easier.
Good Soldier Schweik
<delcecchi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are talking about the curio & relics license that applies
to guns made more then 50 years ago. I believe that the requirements
are very much the same as the other classes of licenses -
fingerprints, photos, etc., but I'm not sure whether the
investigation, if any, is different.
cheers,
Schweik
(goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom)
Otto Bahn
> > No cluons were harmed when Chilla wrote:
>
> >>I have a mental disability...
>
> > Looking at the newsgroups header, I thought that was self-evident...
>
> rec.knives?
<
<Calling Dr Freud! Calling Dr Freud!! It's up over one hundred posts,
<with no end in sight!
<
<The thread that will not die has revealed entirely too much about you
<dick-bearin' varmints for my taste. Sad. Sad. And I thought *video
<games* provided enough sublimated compensation for your pants-pissing
<impotence fears...!
There's nothing like watching a knifed man get a hard-on while
watching his wife get banged on the pool table as he slowly
bleeds out from his wounds.
--oTTo--
sk3tchA
a) guns have a mandatory minimum sentence (at least for ex felons)
b) bombs are unstable/inaccurate and not "surgical"
c) stars/shurikens aren't deadly enough
d) we just fucking like them!!
E) NO one except for a few of my homies and myself (that I know of
anyway) is talented enough with a wristrocket to make it an effective
weapon. The wristrocket, the bow and the musket are as close as a
convicted felon such as myself can get to a firearm under current 2nd
ammendment rules. We make do with what we have, babe. what the fuck
else can I tell you..? srry if I let my "true colours" fly a lil too
close to the surface there... but it is what it is.
sk3tchA
"the knife is a compact, lightweight, deadly weapon that can be
wielded in multiple strokes"
what else is there to say?
Dr. HotSalt
http://www.lyrics007.comSafka%20Melanie%20LyricsPsychotherapy%20Lyrics.html
Hint: it's not 1970 anymore.
Dr. HotSalt
Mark Edwards
> Hint: it's not 1970 anymore.
But it is still 1993, no?
Bryce Utting
if you want to describe your "weapon" as "compact", who are we to
argue?
butting
--
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Guy Namechanger
"sk3tchA" <bluesp...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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David DeLaney
>No cluons were harmed when Dr. HotSalt wrote:
>> Hint: it's not 1970 anymore.
>
>But it is still 1993, no?
Not exactly. It's still September 1993, but it's lasted through 2009, and
our next chance to stop it appears to be in 2012.
Unclaimed Mysteries
> Mark Edwards <Mark-E...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> No cluons were harmed when Dr. HotSalt wrote:
>>> Hint: it's not 1970 anymore.
>> But it is still 1993, no?
>
> Not exactly. It's still September 1993, but it's lasted through 2009, and
> our next chance to stop it appears to be in 2012.
>
> Dave
That's AWESOME.
-cls
--
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http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net
What Does A Yellow Light Mean?
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net/blog
Chilla
> Not exactly. It's still September 1993, but it's lasted through 2009, and
> our next chance to stop it appears to be in 2012.
Just as long as they finish "Lost", I got suckered into watching that
tease :-( Charles
Adam Funk
> Mark Edwards <Mark-E...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>No cluons were harmed when Dr. HotSalt wrote:
>>> Hint: it's not 1970 anymore.
>>
>>But it is still 1993, no?
>
> Not exactly. It's still September 1993, but it's lasted through 2009, and
> our next chance to stop it appears to be in 2012.
http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=200ba49af5cc747714a308586877e697
--
In the 1970s, people began receiving utility bills for
-£999,999,996.32 and it became harder to sustain the
myth of the infallible electronic brain. (Stob 2001)
John D Salt
1abd24...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
> maybe knives are "so popular with the boys" because
> a) guns have a mandatory minimum sentence (at least for ex felons)
> b) bombs are unstable/inaccurate and not "surgical"
> c) stars/shurikens aren't deadly enough
> d) we just fucking like them!!
Also, may it please your honour, lots of boys are fucking stupid.
> E) NO one except for a few of my homies and myself (that I know of
> anyway) is talented enough with a wristrocket to make it an effective
> weapon.
When you say "wristrocket", is this some primitive slurvian slang word
for a catty, or do you really engage in hand-to-hand combat using salad
leaves?
> The wristrocket, the bow and the musket are as close as a
> convicted felon such as myself can get to a firearm under current 2nd
> ammendment rules. We make do with what we have, babe. what the fuck
> else can I tell you..? srry if I let my "true colours" fly a lil too
> close to the surface there... but it is what it is.
Good to know that it would never occur to a convicted felon to try
obtaining a firearm illegally. Laws would be so much easier to enforce
if the criminals all obeyed them. What happened, did someone finally
think to pass a law making it illegal to break the law?
All the best,
John.
--
In what method shall we implement the matrix of this government display
picnic?
-- Bill Bailey
Dr. HotSalt
> sk3tchA <bluespydr...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:5f64b810-eda6-4204-8f8d-
> 1abd2493e...@h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > maybe knives are "so popular with the boys" because
> > a) guns have a mandatory minimum sentence (at least for ex felons)
> > b) bombs are unstable/inaccurate and not "surgical"
> > c) stars/shurikens aren't deadly enough
> > d) we just fucking like them!!
>
> Also, may it please your honour, lots of boys are fucking stupid.
Not to mention fucking honorable. All the other named weapons "leave
the hand".
> > E) NO one except for a few of my homies and myself (that I know of
> > anyway) is talented enough with a wristrocket to make it an effective
> > weapon.
>
> When you say "wristrocket", is this some primitive slurvian slang word
> for a catty,
It's a sort of slingshot usually employed terrorizing neighbors'
pets. Here's one adapted for fishing*:
http://www.wcflunatall.com/wristrocket.jpg
Now, WTF is a "catty"? Is it some Brit poofter slang for a "talk to
the hand" gesture executed at Hong Kong chopsocky film double-speed?
> or do you really engage in hand-to-hand combat using salad leaves?
Uh. What?
> > The wristrocket, the bow and the musket are as close as a
> > convicted felon such as myself can get to a firearm under current 2nd
> > ammendment rules. We make do with what we have, babe. what the fuck
> > else can I tell you..? srry if I let my "true colours" fly a lil too
> > close to the surface there... but it is what it is.
He's never heard of a potato gun?
Also, do these:
http://hackedgadgets.com/2007/01/27/top-5-coil-guns/
qualify as "firearms", being as there's no actual fire involved?
> Good to know that it would never occur to a convicted felon to try
> obtaining a firearm illegally. Laws would be so much easier to enforce
> if the criminals all obeyed them. What happened, did someone finally
> think to pass a law making it illegal to break the law?
In the US that would probably be unconstitutional, due to it
interfering with the "pursuit of happiness"
* OK, actually it's for slinging Amateur Radio longwire antennas over
tree limbs. But using one for fishing just seems sillier**.
** Although it _could_ work...
Dr. HotSalt
Tater Gumfries
<revsusiethefloo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why are knives SO POPULAR with the BOYS?
Stabbin, mostly. But whittlin's a close second.
You want to gut a fish? Get out the knife.
You want to gut an elk? Get out the knife.
Lurleen come home with another man? Get out the knife.
All of them are pretty much towards the stabbin side, and Tater really
don't see too many other options in situations like that there.
Tater