coldsteel v. surrealsteel
Chas
Good day!
Surreal Steel vs. the TrailBastard
Cold Steel TrailBastard cut in two - actual video documentation!
$20: approx 25minutes
e-mail to order
Mike Swan
Chas wrote in message <6clatf$n...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>Cold Steel TrailBastard cut in two - actual video documentation!
I've got an oxy/acetylene torch that will cut a Trail Master in half, but it
won't hold an edge worth a darn! :-) Who makes SurrealSteel? Sounds like
something you'd find on a Jefferson Airplane album.
- Mike
Ben Goetter
In article <6clatf$n...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,
gryp...@worldnet.att.net says...
> Surreal Steel vs. the TrailBastard
Heh. I like the name "TrailBastard" even better than the "Buttmaster" of
previous quasi-flamage.
A.T. Barr
SurrealSteel? It sure sounds like another name for marketing hype. It's amazing
how some knife manufactures come up with these special names for the steel in
there knives. Instead of putting time and money into thinking of names of their
special steels, they should try to put more into the construction of their
knives.
A.T.
http://www.customknives.com
Ben Goetter
In article <19980222002...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
mtlo...@aol.com says...
> ...They will not cut wood or do what a Trailmaster can do.
Don't get me wrong: I love my Trailmaster. (How else will I fight off
beer-stealing grizzlies?) It's just too damned heavy to carry in the
winter.
Jeffry Johnston
: SurrealSteel? It sure sounds like another name for marketing hype. It's
: amazing how some knife manufactures come up with these special names for
: the steel in there knives. Instead of putting time and money into
: thinking of names of their special steels, they should try to put more
: into the construction of their knives.
: A.T.
Marketing hype makes more money and with much less effort!
Alvin Johnston <--Libertarian
MtLoweMan
I always remember Bob Engnath saying that steel was steel------that the heat
treating, edge angle and chemical composition were 90 % of what a knife is.
Any good file will cut a Trailmaster in half. So will a cold chisl. They will
cut any knife. But they are not knives. They are tools to cut metal. They
James & Toni Mattis
Jeffry Johnston wrote:
There's a real rumor that the key to the performance of SurrealSteel is a high
Unobtainanium Carbide content and a trace of Mithril.
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm
Chai Cutlery
- Good tools to sustain life, or at least make life more convenient
A.T. Barr
Sounds good to me. I also call it Vaporware. <g>
A.T.
MtLoweMan
The Trailmaster is a good, big, basic knife that does what a knife should do
and more. But it has rthe same tradeoffs and compromises of any knife. The
Trailmaster has fit and finish that are outstanding. It has survived for 12
years while BS knives and patents and gimmicks have come and gone. Its steel
is not miraculous, just as good as it gets if you prepare steel carefully
enough. The Trailmaster is a s good as a great custom knife for that reason.
Favorite comment I once saw on this board:
"When I hear of patents and "miracle" steels, I think:
CHEESEY PRODUCT AHEAD."
Chas
Chas wrote:
>
> Good day!
>
> Surreal Steel vs. the TrailBastard
> e-mail to order
Thank you for the wide array of comments; your strawmen most effectively
destroyed.
Anybody seen the video yet?
Chas
Karma
Did anyone get a tape from this guy?
I sent him a e-mail and there was no reply.
It sounds like the guy with the tape is full of it.
If not I want one bad and am more then willing to pay for it.
Karma
rcm...@idir.net
RE: Why? Think about it a little bit and you SHOULD BE ABLE to tell
the differance between BS and fact.
rc
brian w edginton
Some people cannot tell the difference between real life and satire.
The original post was very clearly satirical and intended to amuse and
not delude. The most amusing aspect was, IMO, that someone could have
not seen this.
Brian
Mike Swan
cutup wrote in message <6dsh7h$p...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>You have exposed your self as much too kind and thoughtful
>a person to really mean the above.
Are you talking about our Brian?
:-)
Sorry.
Mike
brian w edginton
On 7 Mar 1998 14:20:33 -0800, cutup wrote:
>In article <3501bf9b...@news.lis.net.au>, ed...@lis.net.au says...
>Brian
>
>not everyone has an iq of 130 and it would surprise you how few people ever
>heard of surrealism.
>
>making fun of those who know less may amuse you, but would not if you gave it a
>little more thought.
>
>You have exposed your self as much too kind and thoughtful a person to really
>mean the above.
>
>cutup
cutup
I do not know where you got the idea that I was a kind and thoughtfull
person......but I do not confirm nor deny that I am. I usually leave
things like that to others to decide.
And as for an IQ of 130....well , I suppose it depends on the testing
method and scale used. Anyway, I do not think a high IQ was required
to see that the "Surrealsteel" post was a joke...just a reasonably
well developed sense of humour. I mean...it was not even subtle.
And if you cannot make fun of the slow-witted, whom can you make fun
of (smiles).
Brian
brian w edginton
On Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:10:10 -0500, "Mike Swan" <mjs...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>cutup wrote in message <6dsh7h$p...@drn.newsguy.com>...
>>You have exposed your self as much too kind and thoughtful
>>a person to really mean the above.
>
>Are you talking about our Brian?
>:-)
>
>Sorry.
>Mike
>
>
Mike
And what, exactly, is that supposed to mean ?
Which part is the hardest to believe ....the kind and thoughtfull or
the IQ of 130 ?
Brian
MtLoweMan
But along with I.Q. do you test for the "prick" factor?
brian w edginton
On 8 Mar 1998 10:34:27 GMT, mtlo...@aol.com (MtLoweMan) wrote:
>But along with I.Q. do you test for the "prick" factor?
Yes....and I am afraid that,today, I have been scoring much higher
than I feel comfortable with.
Sorry if I have offended anyone.
Brian
Karma
There was a tape like that on the market a few years back.
Some one took a knife and ground it into a wedge and then pounded it
through a trail master. But I could never get my hands onto a copy of
the tape. I am a Cold Steel Dealer.
So when I saw the post I asked Cold Steel about the tape and they said
they wanted a copy.
There is a real tape out there but its a shame and Cold Steel needed a
copy to prove it.
>>On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 09:28:53 GMT, rcm...@idir.net wrote:
>>Some people cannot tell the difference between real life and satire.
>>The original post was very clearly satirical and intended to amuse and
>>not delude. The most amusing aspect was, IMO, that someone could have
>>not seen this.
CALL ME WHAT YOU WILL.
KARMA
Chas
Karma wrote:
>
> There was a tape like that on the market a few years back.
> Some one took a knife and ground it into a wedge and then pounded it
> through a trail master. But I could never get my hands onto a copy of
> the tape. I am a Cold Steel Dealer.
> So when I saw the post I asked Cold Steel about the tape and they said
> they wanted a copy.
> There is a real tape out there but its a shame and Cold Steel needed a
> copy to prove it.
> CALL ME WHAT YOU WILL.
> KARMA
Hi Karma:
Sorry- I've been away doing shows and working in the studio and haven't
responded to your e-mail. Nobody else wanted the tape so I didn't worry
about it.
The tape has been around for a while. Judd Evans (whose name 'Surreal
Steel' is about his art and architectural work) and Steve Gartin
(Sporting Blades mag, Spyderco, Benchmade, Western Cutlery) took the
'Cold Steel Challenge'(tm).
No wedge grind, no funny claims of superior steel; just good old
fashioned know-how and craft. They found the 'challenge'(tm) just a
little insulting and pompous and did something about it. We all know
that 'Cold Steel'(tm) makes a reasonably good knife for the money, it's
just that the 'Cold Steel Challenge'(tm) is such a fatuous fart.
I have made my address available to any number of people who sell things
as well as give them away as part of the Prairie Arts League (a local
non-profit group of artists). I have viewed the tape and find it
credible. The standards of the testing seemed to me to be fair and
impartial and responsive to the 'Cold Steel Challenge'(tm). Further, as
I understand it, the test can be repeated at any time or place financed
by the requesting party.
As Mr. Gartin makes the copies available, I will personally give you a
copy to make up for any inconvenience that you may have suffered. Mr.
Thompson of Cold Steel(tm) received a copy some years ago as did the
mags, it is not unknown to them. Perhaps the fact that any good
bladesmith can take the 'Cold Steel Challenge'(tm) is not of interest to
purveyors who provide knives for millions of people. I found it
refreshing.
As for the clowns that made uninformed, self-serving, poorly and
un-founded remarks; your research and analytical skills are compared
favorably only with your service to your ricebowl.
Chas
brian w edginton
On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:50:18 -0700, Chas <gryp...@worldnet.att.net>
wrote:
The following is a copy of an email I have sent to Chas
>I understand it, the test can be repeated at any time or place finan>As for the clowns that made uninformed, self-serving, poorly and
>un-founded remarks; your research and analytical skills are compared
>favorably only with your service to your ricebowl.
>Chas
Chas
As one of those who posted putdowns on this subject I wish to
apologise and explain.
In fact, my attitude was formed in response to a post on another forum
on the same subject.....not your message offering tapes. I actually
did not see your original message and mistakenly and stupidly thought
that the other item had been crossposted to rec.dot knives. My server
sometimes misses days' worth ng listings. I have since found it using
Dejanews.
The post on the other forum (wish I could find it again) was written
rather poorly and DID read as though it a satirical poke at Cold
Steel.....it was not, IMO, believable as presented. Apparently it was
factual.
Your post was entirely lucid and credible...I wish I had seen it in
time to save me from another humiliation at my own hand.
Brian
Jeffry Johnston
: Brian
: making fun of those who know less may amuse you, but would not if you
: gave it a little more thought.
Cutup. What's it to ya? VT the slowest on r.k and Alvin the next to
the slowest on r.k don't mind why should you? :(
;)
Alvin Johnston <--Libertarian
Ben Goetter
http://www.coldsteel.com/CSchallengepost.html now reads "HAS BEEN
POSPONED [sic] UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE".
Chas
brian w edginton wrote:
>
> On Mon, 09 Mar 1998 12:50:18 -0700, Chas <gryp...@worldnet.att.net>
> wrote:
>
> The following is a copy of an email I have sent to Chas
>
> >I understand it, the test can be repeated at any time or place finan>As for the clowns that made uninformed, self-serving, poorly and
> >un-founded remarks; your research and analytical skills are compared
> >favorably only with your service to your ricebowl.
> >Chas
>
> Chas
> As one of those who posted putdowns on this subject I wish to
> apologise and explain.
> In fact, my attitude was formed in response to a post on another forum
> on the same subject.....not your message offering tapes.
I had not known that there was some sort of parody regarding the same
subject.
I apologize if I jumped too quickly.
The 25+- min. video had been shown at the Shot Show and complementary
copies had been made available to the rest of the media and so on. It
simply was not offered for viewing by the public in their homes so as to
make the judgement for themselves.
I am dismayed by the number of aficionados who swallow the ad biz hype
and the number of purveyors that would say anything in public that sold
more knives and filled their rice bowl. We are an industry that depends
on integrity and honesty or just about anything we do could be fulfilled
with a pack of Schick razor blades. Anytime someone is dissatisfied,
they will tell the story for the next ten years.
'Oooh, let's sweep *this* under the rug' does our industry no service.
Chas
MtLoweMan
IT SHOULD READ:
http://www.coldsteel.com/CSchallengepost.html now reads "HAS BEEN
ASSHOLED [sic] UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE".