Knives & Air Travel
Pizza Bob
pocket knife with me. I usually put something inexpensive in my checked
baggage, but always feel like it's a crap shoot if it will be there at my
destination.
A friend of mine supposedly heard that the TSA is going to allow pocket
knives with blades <3" to be carried on board. I've been to the TSA website
and there is no mention of this and no change about knife policy. Has
anybody heard this rumor or can substantiate it? Sure would be great.
Adios,
Pizza Bob
professorpaul
However in the 5+ years since 9-11, and a number of both foreign and
domestic trips, I've yet to loose a knife in checked baggage. Maybe 15
air trips so far. SAKs, Lagouile, Buck. Nothing super expensive, but
nothing I'd care to loose. I DO take cameras, film, etc., WITH me in
carry on. Wild scene once in Boston with a hand-held light meter, and
B&W color correction filters. They had no clue what they were looking
at. Ditto for nose hair trimmers. Do you feel more safe???
Chris
box-cutters at one point?
I would not trust anyone to have so much as a penknife on a plane, given the
current state of things, and wouldn't expect anyone to trust me with same.
Why not just throw your blade in the trash at each airport, and save the
trouble?
Do you think gun owners feel "naked" without a holstered sidearm at their
belt on an airplane? I carry, and have carried both knives and firearms,
but wouldn't try to bring either aboard an airline, even pre-9/11.
Common sense is a major player. If you feel you have to have a blade on you
to feel better, maybe you shouldn't go anywhere you would be required to
turn them over to the authorities.
Del Cecchi
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destination. And mail it back at the conclusion of the trip.
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box-cutters at one point?
I would not trust anyone to have so much as a penknife on a plane,
given the
current state of things, and wouldn't expect anyone to trust me with
same.<<<<
the hijackers "won" because we got sucker punched by following the
"rules".
It's not he hardware, it's the people & their intentions. A
sufficient number (relatively small) of unarmed men can still hijack a
plane if the able-bodied passengers just sit idle.
Rich Reid was stopped by the paasengers not the TSA.
Safety through awareness & action ; static defenses are bound to fail
in a dynamic situation.
cheers
Bob
Tetsubo
Say it again, Brother! Keeping finger nail clippers away from 70
year-old Grandmothers isn't going to make me any safer... nor is
stripping away my civil liberties...
I'm one of those people that feels naked without a knife on me. I've
been carrying a blade everyday since I was twelve (I turn 41 next week).
The few times that I have had to go without (Court, Federal building,
etc.) have made me very uncomfortable. I'm a firm believer in the idea
that it's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
--
Tetsubo
My page: http://home.comcast.net/~tetsubo/
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If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
-- Anatole France
Greyangel
In the first place a pocket knife is a tool first. A gun is a weapon above
all else. Not quite the same thing. In the second place a plane full of
people who allow themselves to be hijacked with box cutters deserved what
they got for their inaction... Ok maybe not "deserved" but certainly
consented. If you behave like sheep then you will be treated like sheep.
If you can be hijacked with box cutters then just about anything will do.
One man with a box cutter is no match for two men with their bare hands.
Yeah sombody is gonna get cut but it beats a plane full crashing and
burning.
GA
Carl.
> with
> box-cutters at one point?
>
> I would not trust anyone to have so much as a penknife on a plane, given
> the
> current state of things, and wouldn't expect anyone to trust me with same.
This is a sad point of view. If it IS true that they only had box cutters,
they succeeded because of this hysteria over sharp objects that sets in when
we get on airplanes.
The fact they succeeded at all with any weapons is owed to people having
been told for so long that when someone threatens us with a gun or other
weapon we should roll over and let the police handle it, give them what they
want, etc. 3 out of 4 planes did just that and now thousands are dead. 1
out of 4 plains made the right choice just in time to save people on the
ground, but unfotunately a little too late to save themselves.
Chas
> In the first place a pocket knife is a tool first. A gun is a weapon
> above
> all else. Not quite the same thing.
I remember when the first bombing happened- they started checking your
luggage. Then the hijackings for ransom started, so they prohibited
weaponsduh. Then came the suicide-jacks.
> In the second place a plane full of
> people who allow themselves to be hijacked with box cutters deserved what
> they got for their inaction... Ok maybe not "deserved" but certainly
> consented.
The people in the back of the plane couldn't do anything anyway- the only
ones needing control are the first four guys.
> If you behave like sheep then you will be treated like sheep.
> If you can be hijacked with box cutters then just about anything will do.
> One man with a box cutter is no match for two men with their bare hands.
Oh; I don't know- multiple slashes with a razor sharp blade would tend to
wear them out pretty quickly- at least one guy has to accept some horrific
cuts whilst the other one works on the blader.
> Yeah sombody is gonna get cut but it beats a plane full crashing and
> burning.
How much better if everybody on the plane was armed; no hostage taking, no
taking control of the vehicle- you know, like it used to be for decades.
Solve the bomb problem with sniffer dogs- expedite the boarding process, and
they work for room and board.
Chas
Chas
> This is a sad point of view. If it IS true that they only had box
> cutters, they succeeded because of this hysteria over sharp objects that
> sets in when we get on airplanes.
It set in long before that.
The only reason they chose boxcutters is that they're the only sort of knife
that you're allowed to carry anyway except as a privilege granted by the
authorities.
> The fact they succeeded at all with any weapons is owed to people having
> been told for so long that when someone threatens us with a gun or other
> weapon we should roll over and let the police handle it, give them what
> they want, etc. 3 out of 4 planes did just that and now thousands are
> dead.
Yup-
and instead of addressing the problem rationally, the government has gone
from dumb to dumber. Instead of mounting ka-bars next every seat, they're
frisking grandmother for nailclippers.
> 1 out of 4 plains made the right choice just in time to save people on the
> ground, but unfotunately a little too late to save themselves.
They only found out the purpose of the hijacking by the example of the first
planes. Prior to that, they probably thought it was another hijacking for
ransom. The guys that got the information over the phone were the ones who
stepped up- bless them.
The only guys they had to kill to drop a plane were the pilot/co-pilot.
Everything after that is about guiding the crash.
Chas
alv...@xx.com
> "Carl." <usene...@JUNKMAIL.hotmail.com> wrote
> > This is a sad point of view. If it IS true that they only had
> > The fact they succeeded at all with any weapons is owed to
> > people having been told for so long that when someone threatens
> > us with a gun or other weapon we should roll over and let the
The fact that they actually cut up (and even killed)some crew and
passengers shows there was some resistance on board the planes.
The crew and passengers just needed to know "the hi-jackers meant
business" before backing off to let the "authorities handle it".
The "authories" decide things like that by commitee.
Ever watch a "commitee hearing" on C-Span? :)
> Yup-
> and instead of addressing the problem rationally, the government
> has gone from dumb to dumber. Instead of mounting ka-bars next
> every seat, they're frisking grandmother for nailclippers.
What do you think now Chris?
Still feel the same? :)
Feel safe knowing no one has nail clippers?
-warning on-topic knife content- ;)
Last time I flew was to Hawaii and cut my food with a green bone
handled Case 6392. No one cared except for the guys setting in my
row that thought that knife full of "old files" was cool. There's
just something guys like about knives made from old files! :) One
guy owned a business that did in-house heat treating and was very
familiar with O1 and A2.
It's all apart right now...
http://www.panix.com/~alvinj/green6392.jpg (really old picture)
Within a week on r.k we were calling for issuing everyone that
boards a plane, that wants one, a KaBar. :)
-end of on-topic knife cantent- ;)
Whatever the gov't did... was -all- about "getting passengers back
on them planes!"
"do whatever it takes, just do it!" -gov't official with an airline
big-shot standing right behind him
But it's all just a show for the stupid, see?
(sorry Chris, but wise up ok?;)
You know as well as I do that we could figure out a way to take down
a passenger plane, if we really wanted to. That can't be stopped.
Heck they shoot down military planes, a passenger plain is a sitting
duck in a free society.
There is no such thing as safety.
(someone lied to you about that)
> > 1 out of 4 plains made the right choice just in time to save
> > people on the ground, but unfotunately a little too late to save
> > themselves.
Whatever happened to that story about it being shot down by the
airforce? Who was it Rumsfeld that let that slip? What happened?
> They only found out the purpose of the hijacking by the example
> of the first planes. Prior to that, they probably thought it was
> another hijacking for ransom. The guys that got the information
> over the phone were the ones who stepped up- bless them.
> Chas
I'm not saying there won't ever be another attempt but I believe
there will never be another plane load of people that will sit by
and let another hijacking take place. For anyone out there that
wants to hijack a plane and have it flown to Cuba etc for show,
will prob'ly die within 15 minutes of the announcement. :)
That clever scheme was a one time shot and won't be repeated.
Also why take away nail clippers, where everyone can see you do it,
then sell them in a shop inside the "security zone" so a guy or gal
can take them on the plane? Because it's all a show, Chris.
What do you think now, Chris? :)
Agree disagree? :)
Believe in safety still? :/
Alvin in AZ
ps- I'm a retired railroad signalman, the department could have been
called the "train safety department", I could have been called a
"train safetyman" instead, and I don't believe in "safety"...
pps- Ok so, maybe sometimes, I believe in "more safer"? ;)
Steve Kramer
alv...@XX.com wrote:
[SNIP]
> Within a week on r.k we were calling for issuing everyone that
> boards a plane, that wants one, a KaBar. :)
Great idea! But may please request a Randall Model #2 with a 7" blade?
My training favors that style over the KaBar design and will be more
effective for me. I realize that this may involve a surcharge, but it's
worth it.
Thank you very much. :o)
Steve Kramer
"PhotoEnvisions" Freelance Photography
Chiang Mai, Thailand
http://www.photoenvisions.com
--
"The voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons, but in seeing
with new eyes." - Marcel Proust
Joe Pfeiffer
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> > Blades under 3" allowed on airlines? Weren't some people taken hostage
> > with
> > box-cutters at one point?
Ummm, no. While they were holding boxcutter in their hands, the most
important weapon they used was the existing policy calling for
cooperation. Of all the security changes that have happened since,
the only imortant ones have been changing that policy, hardening the
cockpit doors, and searching checked baggage.
> > I would not trust anyone to have so much as a penknife on a plane,
> > given the
> > current state of things, and wouldn't expect anyone to trust me with
> > same.
It isn't an issue of trust. It's a question of whether to engage in
a futile effort to define ever-more-harmless objects as weapons, or to
limit the damage someone with a weapon can cause.
<snip>
> > Common sense is a major player. If you feel you have to have a blade
> > on you
> > to feel better, maybe you shouldn't go anywhere you would be required
> > to
> > turn them over to the authorities.
When I am putting my carry knife whose longest blade is (measure
measure measure) 1 3/8 inches; when my son discovers the hard way that
the jeweler's screwdriver in his clarinet case is a weapon; when my
wife has her fingernail clippers confiscated -- common sense has long
since ceased to be a major player.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer
skype: jjpfeifferjr
Fraser Johnston
I'd prefer it if everyone on the plane over the age of 21 was carrying a
gun. An armed society is a polite society.
Fraser
TacticalCity
I can't say I have ever had that problem. I am a competition shooter,
and I check my handguns when I fly. I have to get to the airport early
and fill out extra paperwork, but I have never had a problem. They make
me put them in a locked case, and prove they are unloaded. Other than
that it is easy as pie.
I always have a nife in one of checked bags as well, and it has never
been taken. I like the pricy blades like Benchmade and Kershaw, so I
would have been really pissed.
I would think you are fine.
Regards,
Joe
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