Knives in the Hannibal film
Howard
hannible
I am pretty sure that the knife in the library scene is a spyderco harpy put
i am not sure on the knife in the arena scene with the warthogs or whatever
they are , I thought it might be a microtech knife or a masters of defence
knife but my dvd player isnt good enough to zoom in close enough for me to
see the makers mark which i can just see on the blade , it also looks like
an auto.
any info would be helpfull
thankyou
howard
Scott Kurland
Hannibal?
Sort of, I've got the book.
>
> I am pretty sure that the knife in the library scene is a spyderco harpy
put
> i am not sure on the knife in the arena scene with the warthogs or
whatever
> they are , I thought it might be a microtech knife or a masters of
defense
> knife but my DVD player isn't good enough to zoom in close enough for me
to
> see the makers mark which i can just see on the blade , it also looks like
> an auto.
>
> any info would be helpful
Chapter 55, page 291, at the Mid-Atlantic Regional Gun and Knife Show,
Hannibal buys a Harpy, a straight, serrated Spyderco with a 4" blade, a
drop-point skinner... and a Spyderco Civilian, the Devil's knife.
On page 202, in the library, he eviscerates Pazzi with a Harpy. The boot
dagger with one serrated edge is mentioned on page 397, but not by name,
sorry.
Corwin
> Hannibal buys a Harpy, a straight, serrated Spyderco with a 4" blade, a
> drop-point skinner... and a Spyderco Civilian, the Devil's knife.
Out of curiosity, Why is the Civilian referred to as the Devil's Knife?
neL.
Kit Lewis
Have you ever seen one? :)
In the book Hannibal, the knife used to eviscerate Pazzi is a Harpy, which
is a pun on a previous Pazzi being torn apart by harpies in Dante's Inferno.
Lecter buys (I think) and endura and a Civilian from a dealer. The good
doctor knows his cutlery, although I don't think he should restict himself
to Spyderco. Who knows, maybe he has a sponsorship deal.
In the movie, Starling uses a knife which looks to me like either a
Microtech or a Benchmade McHenry-Williams axis lock.
Corwin
Yah.. i love the civilian it is an evil looking knife :)
I remember seeing that knife he used on Pazzi and i thought it was a
harpy... those hawk-blade spydercos are probably really good knives for
guttin'. I've always been impressed with Spycerco's cutting ability.. those
knives can really cut, but dunno how the FRN handles with the lock back
holds up to most liner locks..in strength
yah that knife that Starling uses looks kind of like a socom
neL.
Andy Dingley
<skur...@juggler.net> wrote:
>On page 202, in the library, he eviscerates Pazzi with a Harpy.
Doesn't he also cut the gypsy's femoral artery with the Harpy ?
Scott Kurland
>
> Doesn't he also cut the gypsy's femoral artery with the Harpy ?
>
Carl.
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> The good
> doctor knows his cutlery, although I don't think he should restict himself
> to Spyderco. Who knows, maybe he has a sponsorship deal.
To be fair, I couldn't think of another source for either harpy or
reverse-S-curve blades. I'm sure there is a more obscure manufacturer out
there that makes a better one, but the good Doctor was not really in a
position to mail order, was he?
BTW, the book specified a harpy as a description only, did it not? I think
only the Civilian was technically a definite spyderco.
Carl.
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> I remember seeing that knife he used on Pazzi and i thought it was a
> harpy... those hawk-blade spydercos are probably really good knives for
> guttin'.
Those knives are good for cutting almost anything. Great for boxes.
Carl.
Bowels in or bowels out? Confused? Let me decide!
Only a sicko like me would laugh so hard at that. The Doc is such a stylish
psycho.
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Kit Lewis
Carl. wrote in message ...
>only the Civilian was technically a definite spyderco.
The book says the knife was called a harpy.
The Harpy is the name of the Spyderco knife.
The type of blade shape is called a hawkbill.
Lots of people make hawkbill blades, inlcluding CRKT who made a pretty
impressive knife called a Seahawk. MOD also do one called the Ladyhawk.
They're a good pattern for cutting anything soft, such as ropes as you can
use a very powerful draw stroke on them. Popular pattern for gardeners
grafting knives too.
Regards
Kit Lewis
hjkl
From what I recall, it does at least hint that uses the Harpy. I
always pictured an Emerson LaGriffe from the description.
hjkl
wrote:
>A kick-ass movie I might add, in case anyone hasn't seen it.
>
>Bowels in or bowels out? Confused? Let me decide!
>
>Only a sicko like me would laugh so hard at that. The Doc is such a stylish
>psycho.
A good first-date movie, to be sure!
I went to see 'Titanic' once on a first date. Laughed like a monkey on
acid when the falls off and hits the prop on the way down. Oh well --
NEXT!
:-)
brianWE
Case are producing a gorgeous collaboration "gardener's knife" with
Tony Bose. Traditional style with ATS34 blade and jigged bone. The
only catch is the $300 sticker.
brianWE
If I was never wrong, being right would be meaningless.
Carl.
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Carl.
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Heh heh. I forgot about that part. The only thing worth watching in the
VERY long movie. SMACK!!!!
Corwin
> The Harpy is the name of the Spyderco knife.
> The type of blade shape is called a hawkbill.
> Lots of people make hawkbill blades, inlcluding CRKT who made a pretty
> impressive knife called a Seahawk. MOD also do one called the Ladyhawk.
> They're a good pattern for cutting anything soft, such as ropes as you can
> use a very powerful draw stroke on them. Popular pattern for gardeners
> grafting knives too.
>
> Regards
>
> Kit Lewis
Which reminds me of that peice of junk that Kershaw made a while back with
the Hawkbill blade.. I dont even remember what its called but its in the
bottom of my drawer. It was part of their "high-tech" line of knives which
all came in two types of handle, G-10 and Titanium. I bought the Wild Wild
Turkey, the G-10 Hawk and this hawkbilled one.. that was the only one that
sucked... oh yah it was called the "Talon"..
neL.
Andy Dingley
>A good first-date movie, to be sure!
My first date with my wife was at the movies, a new movie that neither
of us had a clue about - Fatal Attraction
We're divorced now. Pets are still alive though.
Scott Kurland
think
> only the Civilian was technically a definite spyderco.
Nope, not a harpy, a Harpy.
Carl.
Harpy in the movie or a Merlin?
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Scott Kurland
> > think
> > > only the Civilian was technically a definite spyderco.
> >
> > Nope, not a harpy, a Harpy.
> Consulting my book, I see you are correct. BTW, did he actually have a
> Harpy in the movie or a Merlin?
I thought it was a Harpy, though I could be wrong. Given how well the movie
was made, I'd guess they followed the book at least on the small stuff,
though some of the plot and character condensing was a little jarring.
Then again, if I had made the movie, it would've been 6 hours and no one
would've watched it.
Kit Lewis
Carl. wrote in message ...
>
Hawkbill is the most-used description I know.
Regards
Kit Lewis
Carl.
> > > > BTW, the book specified a harpy as a description only, did it not?
I
> > > think
> > > > only the Civilian was technically a definite spyderco.
> > >
> > > Nope, not a harpy, a Harpy.
>
> > Consulting my book, I see you are correct. BTW, did he actually have a
> > Harpy in the movie or a Merlin?
>
> I thought it was a Harpy, though I could be wrong. Given how well the
movie
> was made, I'd guess they followed the book at least on the small stuff,
> though some of the plot and character condensing was a little jarring.
I thought I remembered seeing a black handle, but my memory is fuzzy, maybe
it was just the lighting.
>
> Then again, if I had made the movie, it would've been 6 hours and no one
> would've watched it.
I was happy to see that they spared no expense for the brain-eating scene.
Neil Blam
most uncomfortable pocket carry knife I have ever owned. And I got it when it
first came out. Paid top dollar, and I'm still pissed.
Neil Blam
Chas
>
> I don't know if I'd call the Talon a true hawkbill, but it sucked indeed. The
> most uncomfortable pocket carry knife I have ever owned. And I got it when it
> first came out. Paid top dollar, and I'm still pissed.
Testify, Brother!
What a dipshit idea for a useful knife- unless you're a pruner/carpet
layer/disembowelment engineer.
As far as a defensive knife, unless you understand kerampit, it's
pointing in the *wrong direction* <GG>
What a weenie knife.
--
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Chas
>
> Carl. wrote in message ...
> >Is harpy not a commonly used description?
> >
> Not that I know of, although I stand to be corrected.
> Hawkbill is the most-used description I know.
A hawkbill is not as acute. It is thicker and blunter in the face of
the blade, more support to the point- kind of a different geometry.
A hawkbill is actually useful.
A 'harpy' is a fantasy blade- a drawing on a computer. Ask Spyderco
what fails on them; the point is *incredibly* fragile- particularly
for a point-directed blade! There are a series of notches cut in the
blade to facilitate failure as they get to more and more narrowing of
the blade! The shape engineering is hilarious- talk about putting
stress on the locking mechanism if it snags. The lock is just not up
to it- particularly in the Civilian size.
I've bought a bunch of them over the years, for resale- they go fast
<g>
Carl.
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> Kit Lewis wrote:
> >
> > Carl. wrote in message ...
> > >Is harpy not a commonly used description?
> > >
> > Not that I know of, although I stand to be corrected.
> > Hawkbill is the most-used description I know.
>
> A hawkbill is not as acute. It is thicker and blunter in the face of
> the blade, more support to the point- kind of a different geometry.
> A hawkbill is actually useful.
> A 'harpy' is a fantasy blade- a drawing on a computer. Ask Spyderco
> what fails on them; the point is *incredibly* fragile- particularly
> for a point-directed blade! There are a series of notches cut in the
> blade to facilitate failure as they get to more and more narrowing of
> the blade! The shape engineering is hilarious- talk about putting
> stress on the locking mechanism if it snags. The lock is just not up
> to it- particularly in the Civilian size.
> I've bought a bunch of them over the years, for resale- they go fast
I don't see how the tip of the harpy/merlin is any worse than a delica. In
fact, the harpy has a rather thick tip.
The civilian is the thread cutter. That thing looks like it will snap if
you close it too hard.
Dgrup
>fact, the harpy has a rather thick tip.
>
>The civilian is the thread cutter. That thing looks like it will snap if
>you close it too hard.
Seems that way to me too.
Dennis
Chas
I wasn't positing a theory, I'm talking about the knives that are
returned to Spyderco. The broken tip is most common, lock failure in
the bar lock is next, clips falling off is one also.
I just heard that they've closed their repair bench and aren't doing
anything about returns, including replacement. I don't know if it's
true, but I heard it from a source who should know. They're downsizing
their shop, changing personnel to clerks/shippers and doing little or
no customer service. I was at the PKA show and spoke to a couple of
their factory store reps, and their outlook was pretty dismal.
It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost-
well, we can always use the eggs.
Corwin
> >
> > I don't know if I'd call the Talon a true hawkbill, but it sucked
indeed. The
> > most uncomfortable pocket carry knife I have ever owned. And I got it
when it
> > first came out. Paid top dollar, and I'm still pissed.
>
> Testify, Brother!
> What a dipshit idea for a useful knife- unless you're a pruner/carpet
> layer/disembowelment engineer.
> As far as a defensive knife, unless you understand kerampit, it's
> pointing in the *wrong direction* <GG>
> What a weenie knife.
yeah and its crap workmanship too... when i flicked the thing out too hard
the linerlock got stuck in the open position i had to stick a table knife
inside there and pry the lock open again so i could close the damn thing....
ugh.. i hate that knife.
neL.
Dgrup
>From: Chas gryp...@attbi.com
>Date: 9/8/02 5:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3D7BEBBC...@attbi.com>
>
>Dgrup wrote:
>>
>> >I don't see how the tip of the harpy/merlin is any worse than a delica.
>In
>> >fact, the harpy has a rather thick tip.
>> >
>> >The civilian is the thread cutter. That thing looks like it will snap if
>> >you close it too hard.
>>
>> Seems that way to me too.
>
>I wasn't positing a theory, I'm talking about the knives that are
>returned to Spyderco. The broken tip is most common, lock failure in
>the bar lock is next, clips falling off is one also.
>I just heard that they've closed their repair bench and aren't doing
>anything about returns, including replacement. I don't know if it's
>true, but I heard it from a source who should know. They're downsizing
>their shop, changing personnel to clerks/shippers and doing little or
>no customer service. I was at the PKA show and spoke to a couple of
>their factory store reps, and their outlook was pretty dismal.
>It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost-
>well, we can always use the eggs.
Now looking closely at the tip of my Harpy blade and playing with it a little I
can see how someone could break off the tip. The tip extends downward at least
3/4" below the line of the bottom of the blade. If one were to do a small
amount of prying it appears the tendency of the blade is to rotate and put an
uneven force on the end of the blade which could perhaps snap it easier than a
blade without this offset. I think I'll avoid knife throwing practice with
this one.
I have the model with G10 scales and it appears the 3 screws holding the clip
are well bedded in the backup steel liner and I've had very good luck with
Spyderco locks so far.
As far as what to use it for I can report it works great on avacados.
Dennis
DougŽ
with their crayola:
>I wasn't positing a theory, I'm talking about the knives that are
>returned to Spyderco. The broken tip is most common, lock failure in
>the bar lock is next, clips falling off is one also.
>I just heard that they've closed their repair bench and aren't doing
>anything about returns, including replacement. I don't know if it's
>true, but I heard it from a source who should know. They're downsizing
>their shop, changing personnel to clerks/shippers and doing little or
>no customer service. I was at the PKA show and spoke to a couple of
>their factory store reps, and their outlook was pretty dismal.
>It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost-
>well, we can always use the eggs.
Can someone explain what is exactly going on at Spyderco? I
heard they used to be great but now I keep hearing bad things about
them all over the place.
Doug®
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Chas
> Can someone explain what is exactly going on at Spyderco? I
> heard they used to be great but now I keep hearing bad things about
> them all over the place.
Well, for one thing, Steve Gartin used to 'run' a lot of their
business and doesn't anymore. Sal Glesser needs a filter before being
let into polite company. He's a dislikeable man from a distance, and
the closer you get, the closer you get.
I think it will just quietly close before too long- or the name and
design will sell, move out of Colorado and be unassociated with the
present company.
The rumor mill is just churning with various stories about various
aspects of the business, product and principals, but that is the
nature of the cutlery industry. There are so few people in it, that
everybody knows everybody else, and minds everybody else's business.
All in all, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy- in fact, it wouldn't
happen to a nicer guy <g>
DougŽ
aside I was quite happy and enjoyed the film.
Doug®
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