Benchmade AFCK question
Dan Brown
I recently purchased a Benchmade AFCK for general utility use,
and I really like it. I'm still undecided as to whether to exchange
it for a Mini-AFCK, though, as it's a bit bigger than I expected.
Anyway, I have a quick question. After reducing the blade
tension a bit, I discovered that I could open the blade with a flick
of the wrist. Very nice, very quick, quite a change from my old
Delica. However, not knowing much about knife design, I'm wondering
if this might damage the knife in some way. I'd appreciate any input
on this subject (even a pointer to a FAQ that might answer this
question). Thanks!
--
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Finger bro...@holmes.uchastings.edu for public key & Geek Code
E-Mail published at my discretion.
Alex Ng
I just bought the Mini-AFCK and found it just a little small. I'm just
gonna keep it and purchase the full size one as well. With a little
practice you can open the knife with a "flick" of the thumb, just keep
practicing til your thunb gets sore, that's what I did. BTW BM doesn't
recommend doing this too much.
Carl Donath
> : Anyway, I have a quick question. After reducing the blade
> : tension a bit, I discovered that I could open the blade with a flick
> : of the wrist.
This makes it fit the definition of "gravity knife"; illegal in many
jurisdictions.
Blade Man
Dan Brown (da...@value.net) wrote:
: I recently purchased a Benchmade AFCK for general utility use,
: and I really like it. I'm still undecided as to whether to exchange
: it for a Mini-AFCK, though, as it's a bit bigger than I expected.
: Anyway, I have a quick question. After reducing the blade
: tension a bit, I discovered that I could open the blade with a flick
: of the wrist. Very nice, very quick, quite a change from my old
: Delica. However, not knowing much about knife design, I'm wondering
: if this might damage the knife in some way. I'd appreciate any input
: on this subject (even a pointer to a FAQ that might answer this
: question). Thanks!
The only wear I see that would result from flicking the knife open is
that the stop pin my flatten a bit. I believe that the AFCK's pin is
made of aluminum, and that could be a problem. Those knives that have SS
stop pins, this should not be a problem. Bottom line is to open your
knife using another method. Hope this info helps.
Cheers,
Dexter Ewing
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Dave Sutton
> da...@value.net (Dan Brown) writes:
>
> Anyway, I have a quick question. After reducing the blade
> tension a bit, I discovered that I could open the blade with a flick
> of the wrist. Very nice, very quick, quite a change from my old
> Delica. However, not knowing much about knife design, I'm wondering
> if this might damage the knife in some way. I'd appreciate any input
> on this subject (even a pointer to a FAQ that might answer this
> question). Thanks!
Err.... this is the very REASON we all buy AFCK's...not a flaw.
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Barry Brown
Alex Ng <a...@geac.com> wrote in article <336BE5...@geac.com>...
>
> Dan Brown wrote:
> >
> > I recently purchased a Benchmade AFCK for general utility use,
> > and I really like it. I'm still undecided as to whether to exchange
> > it for a Mini-AFCK, though, as it's a bit bigger than I expected.
> >
(snip)
> > Dan Brown, KE6MKS, da...@value.net
> > Finger bro...@holmes.uchastings.edu for public key & Geek Code
> > E-Mail published at my discretion.
> I just bought the Mini-AFCK and found it just a little small. I'm just
> gonna keep it and purchase the full size one as well. With a little
> practice you can open the knife with a "flick" of the thumb, just keep
> practicing til your thunb gets sore, that's what I did. BTW BM doesn't
> recommend doing this too much.
Regarding opening it with a "flick of the thumb"...why does BM recommend
not doing this too often?????
Barry
>
>
Tim Flanagan
I think (and hope) he meant flick of the WRIST.
--
Regards,
Tim
Dan Brown
Carl Donath <ctdo...@rpa.net> wrote:
> This makes it fit the definition of "gravity knife"; illegal in many
> jurisdictions.
I wouldn't think so, because the blade doesn't move on its own
under gravity, unless the liner is held completely away from the
blade. Centrifugal force is what's opening the blade, not gravity.
Of course, CA's laws are worded such that a ballpoint pen could be
considered a "dirk or dagger", so who knows...
--
Alex Ng
Tim Flanagan wrote:
>
> Barry Brown wrote:
> >
> > Alex Ng <a...@geac.com> wrote in article <336BE5...@geac.com>...
> > >
> > > Dan Brown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I recently purchased a Benchmade AFCK for general utility use,
> > > > and I really like it. I'm still undecided as to whether to exchange
> > > > it for a Mini-AFCK, though, as it's a bit bigger than I expected.
> > > >
> > (snip)
> >
> > > > Finger bro...@holmes.uchastings.edu for public key & Geek Code
> > > > E-Mail published at my discretion.
> > > gonna keep it and purchase the full size one as well. With a little
> > > practice you can open the knife with a "flick" of the thumb, just keep
> > > practicing til your thunb gets sore, that's what I did. BTW BM doesn't
> > > recommend doing this too much.
> >
> > Regarding opening it with a "flick of the thumb"...why does BM recommend
> > not doing this too often?????
> >
> > Barry
> > >
> > >
>
> I think (and hope) he meant flick of the WRIST.
> --
> Regards,
> Tim
done with a little practice. I'm a righty, grasp knife over and around
the clip with just your finger tips, my pinky finger is just dangling
and not touching any part of the knife (providing you left the clip on)
and then "dig" your thumbnail into the spyde hole putting some pressure
into it and flick your thumb outward. You might adjust the tension on
your blade because this pressure on the hole pushes the blade out
towards the side liner, you don't want to scrape the blade against the
liner. It took me a couple of days to pick this up and get good at it.
Once you learn it, it becomes habit forming.
I sent a post to the Benchmade forum and Mark McWillis VP at Benchmade
and he said that the company doesn't recommend flipping or flicking the
blade open but he does this occasionally himself. There was no other
reason.
Tim Flanagan
OK- I see what you mean. I just did it a bunch of times. I don't see the
allure. What I thought you meant originally was the normal opening of
the knife using the THUMB hole. Didn't see a way around it, and thought
it was kind of goofy for BM to say don't use the thumb hole opener with
your thumb. Anyway, I tried it. I can easily see how I could further
scratch up my sbt finish on the liner using this method. The other wasy
that I think is even easier is to just use a flick of the WRIST (where I
thought you were coming from). While this is also not a recommended way
to deploy your blade, it sure is one fast, effective and sure way to do
it. More reliable, easier and faster- no need to find the hole with your
thunmb- IMNSHO. But hey- it's your thumb and your knife, do what you
want. I'll stick to my wrist flick when desired or just open it as usual
with the thumb opener. Or better yet, I'll stick with an auto and avoid
needing to make a choice!
--
Regards,
Tim
Dan Brown
Tim Flanagan <tm...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> OK- I see what you mean. I just did it a bunch of times. I don't see the
> allure. What I thought you meant originally was the normal opening of
> the knife using the THUMB hole. Didn't see a way around it, and thought
I thought I understood the replies; now I'm not sure. The way
I see it, there are three ways to open the AFCK: (1) flick of the
wrist, (2) flip it open with your thumb, and (3) open it with your off
hand.
I understand the first method is rather violent, in that it
moves all the parts rather faster than they would otherwise move; this
was the basis of my original post. I just assumed the second and
third methods were fine--if they didn't want you flipping it open with
your thumb, why spend the money to license the thumb hole from
Spyderco?
I don't quite understand the concern with the liner rubbing
against the blade--can this be avoided? It seems that no matter how
the blade opens, the liner (or, actually, the bearing on the liner) is
going to ride against the blade while it's opening (and closing, for
that matter). Again, as I mentioned, I'm pretty new to knives, and
I'm open to correction on any of these statements. Any help is
appreciated.
--
zinn...@sound.net
On 4 May 1997 16:31:25 GMT, "Barry Brown" <flyf...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>Alex Ng <a...@geac.com> wrote in article <336BE5...@geac.com>...
>>
>> Dan Brown wrote:
>> >
>> > I recently purchased a Benchmade AFCK for general utility use,
>> > and I really like it. I'm still undecided as to whether to exchange
>> > it for a Mini-AFCK, though, as it's a bit bigger than I expected.
>> >
> (snip)
>
>> > Dan Brown, KE6MKS, da...@value.net
>> > Finger bro...@holmes.uchastings.edu for public key & Geek Code
>> > E-Mail published at my discretion.
>> I just bought the Mini-AFCK and found it just a little small. I'm just
>> gonna keep it and purchase the full size one as well. With a little
>> practice you can open the knife with a "flick" of the thumb, just keep
>> practicing til your thunb gets sore, that's what I did. BTW BM doesn't
>> recommend doing this too much.
>
>Regarding opening it with a "flick of the thumb"...why does BM recommend
>not doing this too often?????
>
>Barry
>>
>>
Might void their warrenty.
Daltom
I'm not sure what Mr. McWillis' concern is for when we talk about
"flicking" open a blade. In the old days -- ahem! -- we worried about
loosening the hinge pin ... take my old Puma folding boot knife ... the
hinge pin is VERY thin brass... about 1/8 inch or less ... and the brass
liner and stag handle do flex just a bit with any undue lateral pressure.
So I'm kinda careful with it ... and, uh, kinda not. (See my essay on the
thread "knives are meant to be used")
As far as Mr. McWillis' fine line of Benchmade products, I suspect there's
a touch of liability concern in his remark, though that is pure
speculation on my part. Remember, there are fools out there that will sue
with the first drop of blood that comes even as the result of their own
folly. (The same idjuts would likely sue if the blade was delivered
unsharpened, as well!!!)
Plus, Mr. McWillis has to deal with people who think that the first bit of
wear on the finish of a blade ... or a dull spot on the edge (due to use)
is a sign that there's something wrong with the knife and that it needs
repair.
Again, this is pure speculation, but having dealt with the public, I
understand his ... reluctance ... to endorse any harsh use or potential
abuse of Benchmade products. (Can you imagine the arguments between his
designers and the bladesmiths, management, marketing, and the legal
office!!!! Sheesh, gimme some Zantac!!!!)
Now, me ... well, I'm not involved in THAT fight ... thank the maker!!!!
In fact, I like to use knives, I like to handle them, and I like to see
what I can do with them. Now, understand that I don't out and out abuse
my blades ... I don't punch through car doors with them and I don't drive
them into oak trees and stand on their handles and I don't soak 'em in
salt water and hydrochloric acid for fun. But I don't baby them, either.
However ....
I flick'em, I sharpen 'em, I cut stuff with 'em ... I cut myself with 'em
... ("Owww!") ... I carry 'em .. and I'm happy as a kid skipping school.
I've got a Cold Steel kukri that I cut down a small tree with in my back
yard ... I whacked and banged all day ... chipped the edge on a rock,
reshaped and sharpened it and went back to work ... now I know what the
damned thing feels like when I use it and I'm not at all hesitant in
taking it with me on a trip to the woods in my 4x4.
I'd rather find out in my back yard if the lock on my Gerber Folding
Sportsman II will fail than on the street or in the woods ... when I
really might need it.
By the way, this was a long time ago ... I was rather rambunctious then
... I tested it by whacking the back of the blade -- the edge was taped
and my hand in a leather glove!! -- against a 4x4 support beam, well, uh
... pretty hard; the lock held up .. and so did the hinge pin ... it's
still solid as the day I bought it. ("What's the difference between the
boy scouts and the Army, soldier!!!???" "The boy scouts have adult
leadership, drill sergeant!!!!!!")
Anyway, the AFCK is fine for flicking and snapping and all that James
Dean/Sal Mineo stuff you wanna do. I suppose you could wear out the
liner-to-blade contact point ... if you filled the action with sand and
worked it back and forth about 10,000 times. So don't do it. ("Doctor,
doctor, it hurts when I slam my hand with the car door!" "Then don't slam
your hand with the car door, stupid!")
The worst thing that you might do is put a slight scratch on the side of
the blade where it MIGHT rub against the liner. Big DEAL! I'd be ashamed
to carry a knife that didn't have scratches on it; somebody might think
you were just carrying it around for show, and that you didn't know how to
really USE IT (What a baby!!!!!!)
You oughta see my Spyderco Police knives ... sure, they're worn and
scratched and dinged up ... but they've been to the desert and to Central
America and ... (shiver!!!!!) eastern Kentucky ... and they're in perfect
working condition.
So what.
Anyway... you're gonna have to make a choice ... you can either do with it
what you want .. or not. Just don't hold the Benchmade folks liable for
your own stupidity. They've got a very good warrantee and their service
is excellent (My Emerson 970 had a small hole -- very tiny -- in the blade
near the tip .. it came that way for some reaon -- and they gave me a new
blade with quick turnaround time. No hassle, no fuss. Now, I'd probably
hesitate if I tried popping the lock on a '57 Buick and broke the tip...
not that I would do such a thing ....)
Good luck,
Mi dos centavos.
Alan K. Gideon
Daltom wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what Mr. McWillis' concern is for when we talk about
> "flicking" open a blade. In the old days -- ahem! -- we worried about
> loosening the hinge pin ... take my old Puma folding boot knife ... the
> hinge pin is VERY thin brass... about 1/8 inch or less ... and the brass
> liner and stag handle do flex just a bit with any undue lateral pressure.
> So I'm kinda careful with it ... and, uh, kinda not. (See my essay on the
> thread "knives are meant to be used")
>
> As far as Mr. McWillis' fine line of Benchmade products, I suspect there's
> a touch of liability concern in his remark, though that is pure
> speculation on my part. Remember, there are fools out there that will sue
> with the first drop of blood that comes even as the result of their own
> folly. (The same idjuts would likely sue if the blade was delivered
> unsharpened, as well!!!)
>
Regarding the potential for pivot pin wear on the AFCK - I've got and
use both the AFCK and Mini-AFCK. They're built like tanks. Anyone
trying desperately to keep one in NIB condition is wasting a
well-designed knife. The "flick" style opening can, admittedly, be
dangerous. My first attempt at such resulted in losing a goodly portion
of my thumb print. Now I know a practical use for serrated edges. (?)
Nobody's fault but mine.
And, OBTW, if you should decide to viloate the warranty further, by
taking the beasty apart, _please_ don't lose any of the tiny pieces
parts. No point in giving the boys and girls at BM a chuckle when you
send it back to them for re-assembly. ;-)
Alan
--
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for
everything I do.
Prof. Bernarndo da la Paz
Steve Harvey
> Daltom wrote:
> >
> > <slice>...I suspect there's
> > a touch of liability concern in his remark, though that is pure
> > speculation on my part. Remember, there are fools out there that will sue
> > with the first drop of blood that comes even as the result of their own
Mr. McWillis responded to this exact question some time ago on the
Benchmade Web Forum, I think it was. I can't find it in the archive, but
I am sure I remember him saying that Benchmade's "official" position on
flicking the blade open was that it was not recommended, and was more
likely to cause wear. He then went on to say that he had flicked his own
AFCK open thousands of times and the knife was none the worse for it. If
I have misquoted him, I hope he will correct me straight away.
Just my opinion, but it sounded to me like he was saying, our knives can
take it, but we told you not to do it in the event you get into trouble.
No doubt Mr. McWillis' flicking was done in a professional capacity,
during durability tests in controlled surroundings, and with the tester
wearing protective gear. Sounds reasonable to me.
I have been doing a little of my own independant testing. I have to say
that my AFCK is holding up fine as well, and that flicking it open is
kind of fun. It can only be reliably accomplished in a reverse grip, in
my opinion, unless you loosen the blade so completely that it will
wiggle from side to side in the handle, making the practical use of this
procedure of limited application, e.g. when you want to make a
frightening impression on someone, and are in no hurry to get your knife
open. You will have to pull the knife out of your pocket, reverse your
grip, and flip. The procedure is much more reliable with the heavier
bladed CQC7s.
Anybody having any luck reliably flipping an AFCK open in a standard
(forward) grip? I can't get it to work more reliably than about 6-7
times out of ten. Something to do with the wrist angle, I assume,
because I get it open 9 times out of ten in the reverse grip.
A point of more than passing interest: this appears to be the current
California law enforcement test for a gravity knife. From what James
Mattis has related, their reliability standards are not as strict as
mine. Once out of ten, or twenty, tries is enough to satisfy them,
apparently.
Harv
Paul Rubin
In article <336E5C...@3mail.3com.com>,
Steve Harvey <"steve_harvey<delete> wrote:
>Anybody having any luck reliably flipping an AFCK open in a standard
>(forward) grip? I can't get it to work more reliably than about 6-7
>times out of ten. Something to do with the wrist angle, I assume,
>because I get it open 9 times out of ten in the reverse grip.
Yes I can do it pretty much every time. You just need to practice the
right snap. I don't do it much any more though, since my wrist started
hurting after I practiced it for a while. It was fun until the
novelty wore off, but it must have looked pretty weird. I see
a few recent episodes of Babylon 5 show Marcus doing something
similar with his collapsible Minbari Fighting Pike, sitting around
flicking it open and shut while he's bored.
>A point of more than passing interest: this appears to be the current
>California law enforcement test for a gravity knife. From what James
>Mattis has related, their reliability standards are not as strict as
>mine. Once out of ten, or twenty, tries is enough to satisfy them,
>apparently.
This is nuts; almost any lockblade folder can be flipped open this way.
Dave Sutton
> Tim Flanagan <tm...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> Or better yet, I'll stick with an auto and avoid
> needing to make a choice!
Best idea yet... Trade it in for a BM 2500 Mini Reflex.
Tim, you KNEW I'd pick up on this!!
Jeremy Tavan
Steve Harvey "@3mail.3com.com> ("steve_harvey<delete) wrote:
: I have been doing a little of my own independant testing. I have to say
: that my AFCK is holding up fine as well, and that flicking it open is
: kind of fun. It can only be reliably accomplished in a reverse grip, in
: my opinion, unless you loosen the blade so completely that it will
: wiggle from side to side in the handle, making the practical use of this
: procedure of limited application, e.g. when you want to make a
: frightening impression on someone, and are in no hurry to get your knife
: open. You will have to pull the knife out of your pocket, reverse your
: grip, and flip. The procedure is much more reliable with the heavier
: bladed CQC7s.
This just hasn't been a problem with my AFCK. I can flick it open
in the forward grip 95/100. The blade isn't loose at all, and I
never have a problem flicking it open. It's all a matter of
technique, I think. I hold the knife with all my fingers
next to one another, index finger at the bottom of the indentation
in the clip. A simple flick is sufficient to open it faster than
any autoknife I've seen.
: Anybody having any luck reliably flipping an AFCK open in a standard
: (forward) grip? I can't get it to work more reliably than about 6-7
: times out of ten. Something to do with the wrist angle, I assume,
: because I get it open 9 times out of ten in the reverse grip.
That's strange, my experience is exactly the opposite there.
: A point of more than passing interest: this appears to be the current
: California law enforcement test for a gravity knife. From what James
: Mattis has related, their reliability standards are not as strict as
: mine. Once out of ten, or twenty, tries is enough to satisfy them,
: apparently.
One drawback to living in CA. How are the NY laws? (Not NY City,
I'm going to be living in Ithaca for the next 4 years...)
rgdong
> gonna keep it and purchase the full size one as well. With a little
> practice you can open the knife with a "flick" of the thumb, just keep
> practicing til your thunb gets sore, that's what I did. BTW BM doesn't
> recommend doing this too much.
On 4 May 1997, Barry Brown wrote:
> Regarding opening it with a "flick of the thumb"...why does BM recommend
> not doing this too often?????
No doubt for the same reason one does not recommend
snapping the cylinder shut on a revolver using a flick
of the wrist. Undue stress may eventually accelerate
wear. Me? I enjoy doing it and if it wears/loosens
prematurely, I'll buy another. One of the thrills
in owning such a smooth opening knife such as the
AFCK is the ability to do this. :-) Rather than
a strong flick to open, I've eased the tension on
the blade by backing off the screw then, by combining
wrist flick AND thumb flick, can open the blade
with a bit less force...a compromise, yet still sa-
tisfying method.
ray -
N 47* 34'
W 122* 18'
Daltom
I live in Kentucky and from what I've seen the authorities pretty much
feel that a knife by any name is just a knife, whether it's double-bladed,
uses gravity/centrifugal force to open it, or is nine inches long. Now,
switchblades, well, the boys tend to frown on those if you happen to be
flickin' one as they come up to the car to write you a ticket.
I've met a lot of cops from just about every type of jurisdiction in our
fair commonwealth, and I can't remember a single one who tried the flick
test; okay, one guy back in the early seventies showed me how he was
taught to do it, but he just laughed and said he had better things to do
than goin' around shakin' people down for Buck knives with loose blades.
People do get busted for illegal concealed carry around here, but that's
usually in the process of committing a real crime. Commit murder or
assault someone with a blade, well, you got more problems than facing a
"gravity knife" charge. Flash your chrome-plated, spring-loaded ballistic
terminator nightmare around a state trooper is probably tempting fate as
well.
In a nutshell: if you act like an ass, you pretty much get treated like
one.
dreiss
dal...@aol.com (Daltom) wrote:
> People do get busted for illegal concealed carry around here, but
> that's usually in the process of committing a real crime. Commit
> murder or assault someone with a blade, well, you got more problems
> than facing a "gravity knife" charge. Flash your chrome-plated,
> spring-loaded ballistic terminator nightmare around a state trooper is
> probably tempting fate as well.
> In a nutshell: if you act like an ass, you pretty much get treated
> like one.
Mmmm. When I was living in Pittsburgh, PA I got hassled
*every single time* that I went to the bus station to pick up a
friend, or visited certain areas of downtown. Now, I'm a soft spoken,
law abiding citizen. I don't even speed or jaywalk. However, I have
long hair, wear a biker jacket and occasionally forget to
shave. Obviously, I must be *dangerous*!
They would often check for concealed weapons, even if I'd
done nothing at all wrong. Heck, I even call the nice officer 'sir' in
a respectful tone of voice and smile politely as he abused my
rights. Once I made the 'mistake' of carrying a swiss army knife
in my front right pocket and I got dragged off for over an hour of
questioning. It was polite questioning, I must admit...But it was
awfully inconvenient.
The whole point of concealed carry laws is to give 'law
enforcement' agents an excuse to lean on someone when they have
no proof of wrongdoing. I suppose that the mindset/rationalization
for this is the ability to *prevent* a crime rather then just
apprehend and punish an individual after a crime has been comitted. On
the other hand, it _assumes_ criminal intent regardless of the actual
actions comitted by the individual.
So much for 'presumed innocent until proven guilty', hmm?
Anyways...Check you're local laws, carry whatever you think
you should, and bring a notepad and pen to write down badge numbers.
If a police officer wants to hassle you it doesn't matter if it is
a two-hand-open pen-knife or a chrome-plated, spring-loaded ballistic
terminator nightmare. The nice officer will say it's a concealed
weapon.
Be polite, cooperate, answer all their questions. Sooner or
later, they get bored 'n decide to bother someone else.
Dan Brown
rgdong <rd...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> > Regarding opening it with a "flick of the thumb"...why does BM recommend
> > not doing this too often?????
>
> No doubt for the same reason one does not recommend
> snapping the cylinder shut on a revolver using a flick
> of the wrist. Undue stress may eventually accelerate
This was exactly why I posted my question. On a revolver, I
understand the nature of the problem--it isn't excess wear exactly, so
much as messing up the alignment of the parts. I don't see any such
reason why this should be a problem on the AFCK, but I don't know
nearly as much about knives as I do about guns, so I thought I'd ask.
Now I'm almost wishing I hadn't... (-: Answers have ranged from
"it's 'normal use' under the warranty" to "it will void your warranty"
and almost everywhere in between.
I take this to mean that (1) it may accelerate wear on what by
all accounts is a very durable, well-made knife, and (2) I'm in little
enough danger of any catastrophic failure as a result of this
practice.
--
James & Toni Mattis
Paul Rubin wrote:
>
> In article <336E5C...@3mail.3com.com>,
> Steve Harvey <"steve_harvey<delete> wrote:
> >A point of more than passing interest: this appears to be the current
> >California law enforcement test for a gravity knife. From what James
> >Mattis has related, their reliability standards are not as strict as
> >mine. Once out of ten, or twenty, tries is enough to satisfy them,
> >apparently.
>
> This is nuts; almost any lockblade folder can be flipped open this way.
Yup. It's nuts. The law is a "humble beast of burden." If you live in CA
or some other unenlightened jurisdiction, tell your legislators. The
switchblade/gravity knife laws are obsolete. They do nothing whatever to
prevent arterial bleeding, and they are mocked by every thumb-stud or
thumb-hole pocket knife that, used in the politically correct way, is
just as fast, the market having decided that pocket knives should work
one-handed.
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"If the law supposes that . . . the law is a ass, a idiot!" - anon.
Mike P. Swaim
James & Toni Mattis <jkm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Yup. It's nuts. The law is a "humble beast of burden." If you live in CA
>or some other unenlightened jurisdiction, tell your legislators. The
>switchblade/gravity knife laws are obsolete. They do nothing whatever to
>prevent arterial bleeding, and they are mocked by every thumb-stud or
>thumb-hole pocket knife that, used in the politically correct way, is
>just as fast, the market having decided that pocket knives should work
>one-handed.
Object control laws don't work. What does work is if we could ever get
all the gun, knife, martial arts, sports, and working people together
long enough to sing this one simple refrain loud and clear to our
collected legislators.
"Attempting to alter human behavior through banning of mere objects
has failed nearly every time it has ever been tried."
MPS
James & Toni Mattis
"From your mouth to G-d's ear!"
Right now, there is no organized grass-roots knife lobby, just a few of
us individual chronic letter writers, commonly known in legislative
circles as "cranks."
James K. Mattis
http://home.earthlink.net/~jkmtsm/index.html
"Grunt" - Kanzi
Thomas Lewis
I have a question that some of you in the newsgroup can probably
answer for me. Is it possible to get a BM800 with the clip on the
other side? I currently own one BM800SBT and want to get an uncoated,
non-serated version of the knife, but I want it left-handed. What are
my options?
Thanks, Thomas
Thomas Lewis
On Sat, 17 May 1997 00:20:07 -0400, Tim Flanagan wrote:
>BM is coming out with the lefty models hopefully by this summer. If you
>can't wait, how are you with a drill? Of course you'd have to reverse
>the pivot if you wanted to keep open access to the adjustment, and that
>would void the warranty. But, as it is now, I've got the 800, uncoated
>plain edge and although I'm a righty, have no difficulty opening it with
>my left hand. I could see where it might be a bit uncomfortable if
>that's you're strong hand, so if you've already got the 800SBT, why not
>wait the extra few months to get what you want?
>Hope that helped.
Tim,
Thank you (and Scott R., too) for the info. I did not know of
their summer plans, but now that I do, I will wait. If they would also
offer the BT coating on the non-serated blade, they'd have all the
bases covered. <g>
Another question... what do you use as a rust preventative on your
non-coated ATS-34? Tuf-cloth as they recommend, or something else?
Thomas
Tim Flanagan
Thomas Lewis wrote:
<snip>
> Thank you (and Scott R., too) for the info. I did not know of
> their summer plans, but now that I do, I will wait. If they would also
> offer the BT coating on the non-serated blade, they'd have all the
> bases covered. <g>
>
> Another question... what do you use as a rust preventative on your
> non-coated ATS-34? Tuf-cloth as they recommend, or something else?
>
> Thomas
The coating is also a planned feature in the coming months for the
non-serrated blades. Also, supposedly they've come up with a coating
that's even better than the original BlackT. Should be available in the
not-to-distant future on all their blades. Might make you wait just a
bit longer if that's a must. :-(
Actually, on daily carry/use stuff, I don't use anything. They're always
getting used, hence always getting cleaned, therefore no rust begins.
Just keep it clean and dry when not in use for short periods and you
should be fine, unless you're in a particularly damp climate. In that
case (or for longer periods of non-use), the tuf-cloth works great as
does a light coat of gun oil or WD-40 (smelly though). Some of the guys
here use also sorts of stuff. Renaissance wax on the perpetual
shelf-sitters, somebody even tried lard, if memory serves.
--
Regards,
Tim