What's the best Trick-Kite ?
rivmin.dk
What do you think are the best trick kite right now ?
Psycho, Trimontana, Illusion or what ?
Any place to read review's ?
Jamey Fountain
them, something they do better than other trick kites... some of the serious
trick kites include the Area 51/S-4, the Gemini, The Darkside (or so I've
read), Box of Tricks, xbow, Wahoo, The warrior/stiletto (can't leave out
PBSK), the list goes on and on, I'm not going to try to mention them all,
but that's a good start, you won't go wrong with any of them and I'm sure
someone will come in and mention others that I haven't.
There is no one kite that does everything equally well... most times it
takes a kite that's good at doing a backspin to learn the backspin, but once
you know how to do it, you can then do it on kites you couldn't before, so
alot of the great trick kites are more for learning purposes than actually
regularly flying. Sometimes I learn something on my Alien that I couldn't
get to work on something else, but once I get it down, I can do it on
everything, Now I'm not going to fly the alien all the time, it's just not
that good a kite, but if I can fly it for an hour and pick up something I
can transfer into a kite that I really love, then hey, it was worth its
price in my bag. I wouldn't fly a Gemini regularly, I dislike how it
snapstalls and it's general flying characteristics are different from what I
like, but I'm considering buying one because I know it will help me perfect
moves that I don't have down 100% of the time right now.
hope that helps some.
(Hey, it may be an expensive hobby kite wise, but their free to fly once you
pay for em!)
Jamey
rivmin.dk <riv...@image.dk> wrote in message
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David G.
http://www.kites.org/jo/reviews.html
http://www.kitelife.com/ , do a search for any given kite your are thinking
about.
I hope this helps & by the way Jamey is right. I learned to axel
consistently on my PBSK Stiletto. I then helped out a friend of mine with a
really inexpensive (cheap) kite and axeled it. I problably would not have
picked up the 'Axel' on that cheap kite but with an axelling machine like
the Stiletto it is really easy to learn.
BTW, I have some reviews at my site www.geocities.com/rahvin101 .
David
www.geocities.com/rahvin101
Glen Warren
Kiting is more subjective. IT depends so much on one's style, likes, etc.
I was flying with a friend the other day who I knew had never seen the
rotating fade, in fact he didn't know what a fade was. He's been flying for
years though, and loves the sport. I thought he would be impressed with
seeing the stunt preformed. After popping several rotations, I proudly
looked over at him, waiting for a response. ONly to hear, "What was all
that for?"
back to your question. THe best trick-kite imo is one you are not afraid to
try new tricks on; one that will seemly help you with the trick- even adding
a trick to what you intended to do. IT's the one that matches the wind,
your style, mood, and ski at that moment. For me, my best trick kite varies
throughout the year. One moment, I and the kite are one, later it seems
sluggish and even out of date. Only to come alive again another day.
I've had several Best trick kites. My suggestion,is to pick one from a
known maker that you can afford, and are willing to break and then GO FOR
IT!
Here's another perspective, the best trick kite can be the one I just
mastered, or the one that I just can't quite afford- YET!
glen
Edward Green
rivmin.dk <riv...@image.dk> wrote in message
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> Hi.
>
> What do you think are the best trick kite right now ?
>
> Psycho, Trimontana, Illusion or what ?
>
> Any place to read review's ?
The Darkside is my fav at the moment ... but the Gemini, S4, A51, Stilleto
and Elixir are all good.
I Agree 100% with Jameys post ... different kites teach you different stuff.
--
Edward Green
www.khite.co.uk
--
Flying Dot Designs - www.dotdesigns.homestead.com
--
Nezza
requirements, I'm going to be totally subjective and say that my
favourite is the Gemini.
I've flown most trick kites and IMO the Gem is the easiest to learn and
can do advanced moves "easily". For example, most modern trick kites can
be made to backspin, but few make it as easy as the Gem. Some will reply
"Ah, but I can make my Peter Powel Stunt Master backspin as well", but
the Gem makes it easy and fun! (which is never a bad thing).
It is a very flatering kite and will improve your skills quickly.
If I had to describe its flying style I'd say "flippy, floppy, spinny,
floaty" (I sound like Jilly Goolden from Food and Drink)
I also have an Area 51, which I dont get on with, too small for my
taste, not stable enough.
My advice, try them all and see which one you like best, most kiters
will let you play with their toys!
Neill
In article <8of894$pv3$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> rivmin.dk <riv...@image.dk> wrote in message
> news:ICzq5.5243$zT1.1...@news010.worldonline.dk...
> > Hi.
> >
> > What do you think are the best trick kite right now ?
> >
> > Psycho, Trimontana, Illusion or what ?
> >
> > Any place to read review's ?
> >
> >
>
>
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Before you buy.
Jamey Fountain
There are days when I just can't do anything right on one kite, and the next
day it's like we are one single unit sharing a brain... (which is hard since
I'm already sharing one with 2 other people)
Jamey
Glen Warren <wa...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Jamey Fountain
The thing for me, maybe part of the challenge that keeps me interested in
this sport, is learning a trick on a kite that makes it easy (backspins on
the gem) and then transfering that knowledge onto something that doesn't do
it quite so easily (backspins on the badboy). That's where the true joy
comes for me, making a kite do something that isn't easy, it's about the
challenge...
Jamey
Nezza <nsou...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Whilst agreeing with all here that the word "best" depends on your
> requirements, I'm going to be totally subjective and say that my
> favourite is the Gemini.
>
> I've flown most trick kites and IMO the Gem is the easiest to learn and
> can do advanced moves "easily". For example, most modern trick kites can
> be made to backspin, but few make it as easy as the Gem. Some will reply
> "Ah, but I can make my Peter Powel Stunt Master backspin as well", but
> the Gem makes it easy and fun! (which is never a bad thing).
>
> It is a very flatering kite and will improve your skills quickly.
>
> If I had to describe its flying style I'd say "flippy, floppy, spinny,
> floaty" (I sound like Jilly Goolden from Food and Drink)
>
> I also have an Area 51, which I dont get on with, too small for my
> taste, not stable enough.
>
>
> My advice, try them all and see which one you like best, most kiters
> will let you play with their toys!
>
>
> Neill
>
> In article <8of894$pv3$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "Glen Warren" <wa...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Robert Ford
flown, etc. Great float, great presence in the air, easy recovery from
mistakes and precision on top of that. Did see Dan Whitney at Washington
State hit 5 freaking rotating fades - continuous on Benson Gemini. Can't get
that trick on the Warrior, yet.
In article <ICzq5.5243$zT1.1...@news010.worldonline.dk>, riv...@image.dk
says...
WT
wouldn't need the 30+ kites I have now.
If you are looking for recommendations, we need more info.
What is your skill level?
What kites do you have?
What kites do you like?
What is it you want to do?
Are you competing with the kite, if so what type of comp?
Opinions on what you mentioned
Psycho - lots of fun when the wind picks up. You need quick hands, and not
to take the kite seriously
Tramontana - Possibly my favorite competition kite. Prefer the 2001 model.
Great tracking, corners look better to me, stalls are solid. Large hand
movements, and doesn't axle flat are the down side
Illusion - The best rounded kite in my bag. Somedays though it is hard to
make a connection with, other days it is magic.
WT
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Don Hansberger
not mentioned?
Reviews:
http://www.kites.org/jo/reviews.html
"rivmin.dk" wrote:
> Hi.
>
> What do you think are the best trick kite right now ?
>
> Psycho, Trimontana, Illusion or what ?
>
> Any place to read review's ?
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Jamey Fountain
saying, "what's in a name", but jesus, with a name like that, between that
and the somethingorothermontana, what are these people thinking? I'm gonna
design a kite and call it the "veiwybv09oqweuiyb" Hey, it means "great
flying" in a foreign language no one knows but me!
jamey
Don Hansberger <hamb...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Ralf Wombacher
found that on the net
http://www.quadrifoil.com/Select/tohuwabohu.htm
I hope that helps.
Ralf
Jamey Fountain schrieb:
Walter Albrecht
On 1-Sep-2000, "Jamey Fountain" <jfou...@gthm.com> wrote:
> I'm gonna
> design a kite and call it the "veiwybv09oqweuiyb" Hey, it means "great
> flying" in a foreign language no one knows but me!
You've been riding the buggy really fast over bumpy stuff again, haven't
you. ;-) Yes, I plan on being very careful if, while in the car, you ask
"Hey wanna catch some really big air?"
I want to build one and call it "Toiainga"(sp.). It means crazy old man in
Samoan. LOL Also a large single liner called a "Pelagi" (pronounce
pay-long-e). It's the word for European/American, But I think more
literally means "White Cloud".
Walter
michael m. moss
wind. I'm not sure, but it may have been released before the Prism
alien. I don't know if it was originally intended as a higher wind
trick kite, but that's where I use mine. It looks like a scaled down
trick tail, but flies a bit different. I think it can do most tricks
that are out there now (I can't, but that's just me)
I guess it may not be made any more tho. too bad if it isn't. Might
try GWTW and see if they still carry it. Brian (GWTW) is/ was a fan of
the toh jam.
At the time I bought mine, the local retailer said he wouldn't sell it
to me until I could pronounce it three times in a row.... Spent two
days practicing. ;-)
Mikey luvs ya!!
Jamey Fountain
what's the deal with the name? The website says it means "chaos unchained"
but ummmm, they don't say what language, so until someone tells me that is a
language, I'm changing my name...
and what about that Tramontana? I ain't flyin a kite I can't say the name
of... how embarrassing would that be? "hey, nice kite, what is it?" - "oh,
it's the new T.R.A. Montana... I know it sounds like the new Dodge 2000
model 1/2 ton truck, but it's really a kite... I know kites have nothing to
do with Montana, don't ask me what they were thinking, jeesh!"
wedifuldowoeu (means Jamey)
Ralf Wombacher <Ralf_Wo...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Ralf Wombacher
Jamey Fountain schrieb:
>
> Still doesn't say how to pronounce it. I'm sure it's a kick ass kite, but
> what's the deal with the name? The website says it means "chaos unchained"
> but ummmm, they don't say what language, so until someone tells me that is a
> language, I'm changing my name...
Its a word from the old testament ( bibel), so it
is hebrew.
> and what about that Tramontana? I ain't flyin a kite I can't say the name
> of... how embarrassing would that be? "hey, nice kite, what is it?" - "oh,
> it's the new T.R.A. Montana... I know it sounds like the new Dodge 2000
> model 1/2 ton truck, but it's really a kite... I know kites have nothing to
> do with Montana, don't ask me what they were thinking, jeesh!"
>
> wedifuldowoeu (means Jamey)
>
Have a nice day
Ralf
Marty Sasaki
> because what in the world is a Tohuwabohu?????? sure i remember the old
> saying, "what's in a name", but jesus, with a name like that, between that
> and the somethingorothermontana, what are these people thinking? I'm gonna
> design a kite and call it the "veiwybv09oqweuiyb" Hey, it means "great
> flying" in a foreign language no one knows but me!
It's a great little kite, way ahead of it's time.
No offense Jamey, but it's a little narrow minded of you to say "it's
in a foreign language that no one knows but me." I don't know which
North American native language it comes from, but when the designer
told me what it meant all I could thing was "that's cool".
I do admit though that names do color your impression of anything and
kites are no exception.
My own kite design was named the "katana". To most folks (unless they
have watched lots of Samurai movies, or know about motorcycles) the
word is meaningless. When I told folks that a katana is the Samurai's
long sword, the kite got a bit more cool in some people's minds.
Marty Sasaki
Jamey Fountain
wedifuldowoeu (means jamey)
Ralf Wombacher <Ralf_Wo...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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michael m. moss
Thought that was obvious. ;-)
Mikey luvs ya!!
Jamey Fountain
my comment about me being the only one who knew that language.
I dunno, I think the word "Katana" is pretty well known in toady's culture.
America has been flooded by people trying to escape American culture by
embracing every other culture in the world, Japanese being one of the more
favored.
my main point was that marketing involves if nothing else, a name that can
be passed on between people. If I didn't know what a Katana was, but someone
said to me, this kite is the katana, I could sit down and sound that out and
spell it, I could repeat it to a shop owner, I could tell other friends
about it, but with a kite called a Tohuwabohu, would I even try? I'd say,
yah, I saw a guy with a cool kite the other day, and they'd say, what was
it? and I'd say, I dunno, somethin witha funky name... bad word of mouth
advertising... heck, if it was the tramontana, I wouldn't repeat it if I
could, now if they come out with a traidaho, I'll be all over it!
: )
wedifuldowoeu (means jamey)
Marty Sasaki <ma...@mss.ne.mediaone.net> wrote in message
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SportKite1
re: Tohuwabohu
>Its a word from the old testament ( bibel), so it
>is hebrew.
Wow....I had no idea. Here all this time I thought it was Maori.
Ellen
Edward Green
"Jamey Fountain" <jfou...@gthm.com> wrote in message
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> if you saw veiwybv09oqweuiyb and recognized the language, then I take back
> my comment about me being the only one who knew that language.
>
> I dunno, I think the word "Katana" is pretty well known in toady's
culture.
> America has been flooded by people trying to escape American culture by
> embracing every other culture in the world, Japanese being one of the more
> favored.
>
> my main point was that marketing involves if nothing else, a name that can
> be passed on between people. If I didn't know what a Katana was, but
someone
> said to me, this kite is the katana, I could sit down and sound that out
and
> spell it, I could repeat it to a shop owner, I could tell other friends
> about it, but with a kite called a Tohuwabohu
Yep but i knew what it meant - some jewish people would .. some germans and
north europeans use the phrase .. as in "son your room is Tohuwabohu - clean
it up!"
geez ..
love ya loads :0)
P.s. when can i buy the veiwybv09oqweuiyb
ed/
Jamey Fountain
if you can speak 2, you are bilingual
if you can speak one, you are American.
Jamey
Edward Green <eb.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Edward Green
> Hallo Jamey
>
> Jamey Fountain schrieb:
> >
> > Still doesn't say how to pronounce it. I'm sure it's a kick ass kite,
but
> > what's the deal with the name? The website says it means "chaos
unchained"
> > but ummmm, they don't say what language, so until someone tells me that
is a
> > language, I'm changing my name...
>
> Its a word from the old testament ( bibel), so it
> is hebrew.
Yep .. In genesis1:1 it says (new ed translation) ...
"in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth - the earth was tohu
wa bohu (without form - in total chaos) and darkness was on the face of the
deep (tiamat - total chaos - and a big dragon from AD&D)
Sounds like UK Kite Festival conditions...
ed/
David Haworth
to be honest, I neither know nor care what it means, but would someone
please put me out of my misery and tell me how to pronouce it :)
cheers
dave
Jamey Fountain
According to Mikey, it's obvious... according to me it's insane : )
wedifuldowoeu (means jamey)
David Haworth <da...@fyonn.net> wrote in message
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Rod247
Just refer to it by its nickname: "Toh-Jam"
Seriously.
"Kites flown today, Trick Tails, Pro Wren, Outer space, Toh- Jam
Prophecy, Trams, Fanatic, and SL7"....
excerpt taken from GWTW 7/7/98 archives
See:
http://www.quadrifoil.com/Select/tohuwabohu.htm
for meaning of Tohuwabohu.
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Michael Raycraft
Marty Sasaki wrote in message ...
>It's a great little kite, way ahead of it's time.
I do like my Tohu. Nice work, Mr Schob. Underrated. May not be for
everybody.
>I do admit though that names do color your impression of anything and
>kites are no exception.
To follow up on your example, Marty, I always wondered about the name of one
of my kites, the Shuriken Omega from SOA. The Greek part was obvious. But,
unless you were a martial arts follower, you might not have realised that
'shuriken' refers to those throwing stars from ninja quarters. I hadda do a
web search to track that info down :) Somehow, that may have put a spin on
my perception of the kite.
Now, what a throwing star *really* has to do with the flying abilities of a
precision kite hasn't dawned on me yet, but that didn't detract from the
experience...
Michael [ | * \ \
-=-
Marty Sasaki
> To follow up on your example, Marty, I always wondered about the name of one
> of my kites, the Shuriken Omega from SOA. The Greek part was obvious. But,
> unless you were a martial arts follower, you might not have realised that
> 'shuriken' refers to those throwing stars from ninja quarters.
> Now, what a throwing star *really* has to do with the flying abilities of a
> precision kite hasn't dawned on me yet, but that didn't detract from the
> experience...
The name Katana was supposed to conjure up images of being precise and
nimble, a flash in the sky, etc. I was originally thinking of naming
the team kite (which got the name Katana 2, original eh?) a "Tachi"
which was usually a slightly longer sword that was designed to be used
from horseback. The team kite was bigger, and like the tachi wasn't as
nimble, but just as deadly when used properly.
I did make a few kites smaller than the Katana, they never went into
production, and I was going to name it the "wakuzashi", which is the
samurai's short sword. For a time, it was popular to mate a large kite
with a smaller kite to make a really short stack. The combination
often lead to some really interesting flight characteristics. Of
course the combination of the katana and the wakuzashi would have made
up a "daisho".
I liked the name "Jam Session", since it conjured up in my mind a kite
that would lend itself to improvisation.
I thought that the folks at Prism missed a great opportunity when they
came out with the Prophecy, a better name would have been the "Grand
Illusion"...
Marty Sasaki
Wind...@aol.com
"Jamey Fountain" <jfou...@gthm.com> wrote:
> because what in the world is a Tohuwabohu??????
Ah the Tohuwabohu... (Tohu-Wa'-Bohu for pronunciation)
an absolutely crazy little 6 foot trick kite that makes
a Psycho seam positively SANE ;-)
Martin Schob, (of TrickTail / Utopia fame) introduced this
kite in the fall of 1997, I wrote one of the first reviews
when it came out, should be on KiteLife.coms web site reviews.
I had toubles with the pronunciation as well at the time, Martin's company is
Jam Kites, so I couned the nickname Toh-Jam, (not Toe-Jam - Yuck;-) because I
was tired of spelling Tohuwabohu all the time in e-mails / correspondence.
Martin likes the name and so it stuck, you will even find it in the written
instructions!
Anyway, it's a hot little Yo-yo machine with an S-shaped spine and some crazy
moves. Try one if you get a chance! I have two, one has been reframed as an
UltraLite with 3mm carbon spine, 2PT spreaders and .157" leading edges.
Gotta fly!
Bri
James Hodson
>Depends on the conditions, and my mood.
>
Absolutely. Horses for courses.
>Illusion - The best rounded kite in my bag. Somedays though it is hard to
>make a connection with, other days it is magic.
>
You too eh, WT? I feel the same way about it too. Some days I wonder why I
spend a couple of hundred of quid on the kite; on others, I just know
that I can't live without it. IMHO, it's not that fragile despite other's
(and you know who you are!) opinions in this forum :-)
>Psycho - lots of fun when the wind picks up. You need quick hands, and not
>to take the kite seriously
>
It's a mad kite and should be certified. Why worry about the hand speed,
WT? Just bang those lines!
James
"A bicycle is transport, while a car is patently not a bicycle."
[JT (uk.r.c - 26/08/2000)]
Rod247
Anyone interested in a excellent condition Tohuwabohu (Toh-Jam)?
I've got an extra one that I'm willing to part with. Black sail with
teal highlights.
$85.00 includes shipping. Or willing to trade for something.
If interested, drop me a line.....
Rod247
James Hodson
wrote:
>if you can speak 3 languages, you are trilingual,
>if you can speak 2, you are bilingual
>if you can speak one, you are American.
>
speakers, you're a Brit.
Ow reservoir.
Hylke
Don Hansberger
away for a day or two!
I guess I spelled the nick name wrong!
Awesome in high wind! just ask Brian Vanderslice (the Sponcered flyer for
Active People)! Boy can he make this thing Jam.
Jamey Fountain
NO! I can't add any more kites to my wish list!!! stop!
Jamey
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Jamey Fountain
stateofmind <state...@breathemail.net> wrote in message
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>
> Jamey Fountain wrote...
> > if you can speak 3 languages, you are trilingual,
> > if you can speak 2, you are bilingual
> > if you can speak one, you are American.
>
> Hey, you Americans don't have the monopoly on ignorance. We Brits all
> know two languages: English and Foreign. When speaking 'Foreign' all
> we do is speak very slowly and very loudly...
>
> Rob.
>
Walter Albrecht
I've always got room on my wish list. It's the have list that gets tight.
;-)
Walter