Hawaii- No flying allowed!
Tim & Sue Boyle
Sue and I just got back from the big island of Hawaii where we were
asked to leave a beach for flying kites. The park personnel told us
that kite flying was no longer allowed on State beaches(all beaches are
owned by the State). We were told that if we wanted to we could fly at
football and baseball fields. We did find one place to fly at South
Point. So if you go to Hawaii don't bother to bring any stunt kites.
Dave Douglass
In article <34EC3BC8...@mediaone.net>, Tim & Sue Boyle
<just...@mediaone.net> wrote:
That is a major bummer. Dern, I hope this isn't the trend for public
beaches! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? I'm astounded. To me that's like not
allowing surfers on the beaches, or dogs, or kids. Geez.
Dave
SPC
In article <banjo-19029...@banjo.vip.best.com>,
Dave Douglass <ba...@best.com> wrote:
>beaches! WHAT ARE THEY THINKING? I'm astounded. To me that's like not
>allowing surfers on the beaches, or dogs, or kids. Geez.
Many beaches do not allow dogs. Lots of beaches only allow surfing in
designated areas.
The reason the sport kites are getting banned on beaches is because
of a small minority of sport kite fliers who do not exhibit good
judgement or manners when flying. Like they hit people, cut people
with flying lines, buzz people, fly over people, you name it.
So what happens? The minority spoils it for everyone.
It's a public safety issue.
Gentle breezes,
Stevie C
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Jim Barber
Tim & Sue Boyle wrote:
> Sue and I just got back from the big island of Hawaii where we were
> asked to leave a beach for flying kites. The park personnel told us
> that kite flying was no longer allowed on State beaches(all beaches
> are
> owned by the State). We were told that if we wanted to we could fly
> at
> football and baseball fields. We did find one place to fly at South
> Point. So if you go to Hawaii don't bother to bring any stunt kites.
You obviously weren't flying your Hawaiin or the rangers wouldn't have
been crying about no flying.
(Troy, the Bud Lites mine!)
Jim
Mike Smathers
Tim & Sue Boyle wrote:
> Sue and I just got back from the big island of Hawaii where we were
> asked to leave a beach for flying kites. The park personnel told us
> that kite flying was no longer allowed on State beaches(all beaches are
> owned by the State). We were told that if we wanted to we could fly at
> football and baseball fields. We did find one place to fly at South
> Point. So if you go to Hawaii don't bother to bring any stunt kites.
<tiliting head like a confused dog>
DO WHAT?!
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Hayden1009
In article <banjo-19029...@banjo.vip.best.com>, ba...@best.com (Dave
Douglass) writes:
>I hope this isn't the trend for public beaches!
Actually, when Mark & I went to Hawaii in '91 we didn't bother bringing kites
as were told that they were banned on the beaches. So this is not a new ban.
It just helps being informed before you leave.
Alice Hayden 8^)
Troy Gunn
I can remember that back in the early 90's
kite fliers had to obtain a permit to be allowed
to fly kites on certain public beaches in Hawaii.
And they only allowed one permit per day.
Troy Gunn
TKO...@webtv.net
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G. Helms
SPC wrote:
> The reason the sport kites are getting banned on beaches is because
> of a small minority of sport kite fliers who do not exhibit good
> judgement or manners when flying. Like they hit people, cut people
> with flying lines, buzz people, fly over people, you name it.
Yep. On a trip to Kauai in November, I boughta kite at a store that was
going out of business.
Figuring the best winds would be at the beach,
I asked the lifeguard at Poipu Beach where I might
be able to fly my kite. He told me that they wouldn't
let me fly on the beach proper, but that if I wished to
cross the parking lot, there was an empty field that I
was welcome to fly my kite in.
From observing Poipu Beach, it's a small beach
with a lot of people packed into it. There's really
no place to lay down kite lines, launch, or gently
land one's kite without getting it tangled up in someone.
And that's assuming you're a pro.
If that is an official rule that's gone into effect, odds
are it's not going to be heavily enforced at times when
there are simply no other folks around (dinnertime, for
example)...but that's a bit of a gamble. It's really there
for the purpose of protecting people who don't look
up and don't stay clear of kite lines.
The good news is, while you might not be able to fly
on the beach, if you look around a bit you can probably
still find open areas that you can fly in.
Spencer & Miyuki
Tim & Sue Boyle wrote:
>
> Sue and I just got back from the big island of Hawaii where we were
> asked to leave a beach for flying kites. The park personnel told us
> that kite flying was no longer allowed on State beaches(all beaches are
> owned by the State). We were told that if we wanted to we could fly at
> football and baseball fields. We did find one place to fly at South
> Point. So if you go to Hawaii don't bother to bring any stunt kites.
A beach on the Big Island. Not many of those there. Must have been
Hapuna?...on the Kona side.
Not all the beaches are state owned. Most are owned and maintained by
the local city and county. The rules may vary from island to island.
So far, kite flying is allowed on just about any beach on Oahu, save
for Kualoa where the beach field is just upwind of some major power
lines. Kualoa is a state park, but is maintained by the city and
county. Kite flying is allowed on the mauka side of the roadway.
There are a few parks that don't allow kite flying, but they're all
located withing a 5 mile radius of the Honolulu International Airport.
Someone else mentioned permits. I'm not sure to what park you're
referring to, but if it's Kapiolani Park, Robert Loera of the late
Kite Fantasy obtained permits everyday to ensure that he'd have
available space for kiteflying. It's a multi-use park and there's
always some kind of organized sport taking place. Aside from that,
permits are not required to fly in parks on Oahu, unless it's a
"commercial" activity like a kite fest which is usually sponsored
by one of the local kite shops.
Someone also mentioned the few that spoil it all for the rest.
Ah...yeah. There have been horror stories of people getting cut
by the old kevlar lines or getting their kites caught on tour
buses, traveling 45 to 50mph. As like anywhere else, there are
those who like to buzz people sunbathing on the beach. One horror
story involved a "victim's" boyfriend.
To date, I'm not aware or have not heard of any public beaches, on Oahu,
that don't allow kite flying, but as mentioned before, rules vary from
island to island which all have their own county ordinances.
To get kite flying banned on certain beaches, all it takes is a few
complaints to the proper department. Most of the time, these beaches
will be high usage areas and all it takes is some hotdogger to blow
it for the rest. Btw, most of the time, they'll leave you alone if
you're only flying single line kites.
To give you an idea that our local government is not all that unfriendly
to kite flying, there is a new park planned for the Waikele area of
Oahu. It's the biggest multi-use park ever planned and they have
set aside space specifically for kite flying and model rockets. Also,
as long as there are no organized sports taking place, one can fly
just about anywhere in the park. So it's not on a beach. At least
the gov't is trying to accomodate all types of park activities.
Spencer
Troy Gunn
Dennis Crowley
jim wrote:
>You obviously weren't flying your Hawaiin or the rangers wouldn't have
been crying about no flying.
have you ever flown a Hawaiian? They tend to weigh more than most
kites. =8-).
d.
Spencer & Miyuki
Aloha!
Forgot to add that if you do plan on coming to Hawai'i, there are
several of us "Hawaiians" involved on RK. Drop us a line and
let us know when yuall are going to be in town. Maybe we can help
by pointing out some flying areas and steering you clear of areas
that may prohibit kites. If you don't know our email addresses, just
post an inquiry on RK. We'll see it. 8)
Spencer
Bill Rogers
I do believe Jim was joking, he knows all about Hawaiian's. I've even bought one from
him at his kite shop in Ocean Shores WA.
Bill Rogers
Howard Gordon
>Spencer wrote:
.. Maybe we can help
>by pointing out some flying areas and steering you clear of areas
>that may prohibit kites. If you don't know our email addresses, just
>post an inquiry on RK. We'll see it. 8)
We have been going to Hawaii every year since 1985 and always with kites and
never a problem. A great place to fly on Kauai is Lydgate Beach and Park. A
large grass area right off the ocean with clean ocean wind . The lifeguards
are always there and never bothered me. In fact when the kite shop was there,
Kyle the owner use to give lessons all the time there.
Last spring I flew on the beach in Poipu and again no problems. I think the
key is not to do it in crowed places. In Poipu you can fly over the water and
really not bother anyone.
Spencer, we will be back the middle of April for a few weeks ( I know its
tuff but someone has to do it) so if you or anyone else wants to fly let me
know. Howard
Spencer & Miyuki
david hathaway wrote:
> Ah well then...
>
> I have been reading this thread with much dismay as I will be in Hawaii from
> March 3rd thru to the monday, so, any tips on places to fly in Oahu would be
> much appreciated...
>
> Going for the Sport Kite challenge...
Sport Kite Challenge? Is it that time already? Oh well. Since there
is no longer an active kite club, here, info is hard to come by. If
I remember correctly, this one was sponsored by the city and county and
Robert Loera. I know it's still the c&c, but I don't know if Robert
is still involved. Last I heard, the local stunt kite association
wasn't all that active either. Organized kiting, in Hawai'i, is a
dead fish. Most of the old members got burned out with all the
feuding, quit and went their own ways. Most no longer have anything to
do with kiting. <sigh>
Anyway, if you know about this, then you know it's going to be held
at Kapiolani Park. Not the best venue for a competition, but a good
location if you're staying in Waikiki. Other places to fly are
Sandy Beach, Kualoa State Park and just about any beach on the North
Shore from Kahuku to Mokuleia. Oh, just a warning. Surfs up, dude!
Remember to listen to the surf reports once you get here. The North
Shore has been seeing some HUGE swells and the lowest surf is still
over 6ft. Two reasons to avoid the NS during high surf. One is
Kam Hwy., going through the area, becomes a parking lot. Second,
most of the nice beaches, big enough for kite flying, will be under
water. I recommend you stick to Sandy Beach or Kualoa State Park.
In a pinch, Kapiolani Park is fine as long as it's during weekdays.
Also, the Waianae Coast has some really nice shoreline areas way
big enough for kite flying and, during the week, most are practically
deserted. Don't know about the winds, though. In the town area,
Sand Island Park has a nice area with descent winds. Just have to
watch for the low trees, about 6 to 8ft. Again, wide open during
the week.
You'll have at least 3 weekdays to cruise around and check out these
areas. If it wasn't for the fact that you'll be flying in a comp
during the weekend, I'd tell you to leave the kites in your hotel room
and get on a tour bus. Most of the areas I mentioned are jam packed
during the weekends except for the second restroom field at Sandy Beach
and the mauka field at Kualoa.
Btw, there are also a lot of huge inland parks. You just have to find
them. Don't be afraid to get lost. On Oahu, you're either going
towards the mountains, towards the ocean or around the rock.
Spencer
Spencer & Miyuki
Howard Gordon wrote:
> We have been going to Hawaii every year since 1985 and always with kites and
> never a problem. A great place to fly on Kauai is Lydgate Beach and Park. A
> large grass area right off the ocean with clean ocean wind . The lifeguards
> are always there and never bothered me. In fact when the kite shop was there,
> Kyle the owner use to give lessons all the time there.
> Last spring I flew on the beach in Poipu and again no problems. I think the
> key is not to do it in crowed places. In Poipu you can fly over the water and
> really not bother anyone.
> Spencer, we will be back the middle of April for a few weeks ( I know its
> tuff but someone has to do it) so if you or anyone else wants to fly let me
> know. Howard
Well, if you're going to be on Kaua'i, look up Nathan Sendan, a most
excellent kitemaker. He lives there, flies there, it's his turf and
knows best where to fly.
Bruddah Nathan, are you reading this?
If you're going to be on Oahu, drop me a line. I may not have the time to
join you, but I can direct you to our favorite spots. If you're going
to visit Moloka'i, look up Jonathan Socher and his wife at the Big
Wind Kite Factory in the little plantation town of Maunaloa. Don't forget
to drop by, nextdoor to the shop, and have a cheese burger with a side of
mac salad. Hoi! Broke da mout!
Maui? I don't know nothing about Maui, although Romeo Collado and I
once did some team flying on the summit of Haleakala. What a rush!
Last I heard, they chased a kite flyer off. I guess the kites mess
up their radar equipment or something.
Big Island? Stay away from Hapuna. That's the only beach I know of,
on that island, and probably the one this whole thread started with.
Lots of open space to fly elsewhere, though. Try the pastures up
in Kamuela. Ask permission first, though. You could also try flying
off the road over the lava flows on the Saddle Road, between Mauna Kea
and Mauna Loa, but use a quiet kite. The silence is awesome.
Spencer
AhClem0013
In article , s...@prism.gatech.edu (SPC) writes:
>
The reason the sport kites are
>getting banned on beaches is because
of a small minority of sport kite fliers
>who do not exhibit good
judgement or manners when flying. Like they hit
>people, cut people
with flying lines, buzz people, fly over people, you name
>it.
Pardon me Steve, but do you know this for a fact? This is not always the case.
What about Berkeley? What about Miami Beach? Those two major places banned
sport kites for a time and it was not due to a small minority of kite fliers.
It was for individuals personel agendas.
Before this gets out of hand, let's do some investigating and get the facts.
Go slow, proceed with caution.
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david hathaway
In article <34ECEA...@lava.net>, Spencer & Miyuki <spe...@lava.net> wrote:
>Aloha!
>
>Forgot to add that if you do plan on coming to Hawai'i, there are
>several of us "Hawaiians" involved on RK. Drop us a line and
>by pointing out some flying areas and steering you clear of areas
>that may prohibit kites. If you don't know our email addresses, just
>post an inquiry on RK. We'll see it. 8)
Ah well then...
I have been reading this thread with much dismay as I will be in Hawaii from
March 3rd thru to the monday, so, any tips on places to fly in Oahu would be
much appreciated...
Going for the Sport Kite challenge...
thanks in advance...
M.C.
> Yep. On a trip to Kauai in November, I boughta kite at a store that was
> going out of business.
Let me guess, that was Kyle's Kites in Kapaa? Nice guy. My wife and I
were there in November too.
> From observing Poipu Beach, it's a small beach
> with a lot of people packed into it. There's really
> no place to lay down kite lines, launch, or gently
> land one's kite without getting it tangled up in someone.
We were staying in Poipu north of the main beach, near the Hilton and
Embassy Suites. I flew multiple times in the field behind the Embassy,
and on the beach at the Hilton. On the beach, I just stayed at either
the far north end or far south end, and did my flying in the mornings or
late afternoons when there weren't many sunbathers. Actually, flying
the Jam Session there usually drew a crowd of onlookers...
The breeze was wonderfully consistent, though some days putting the
"wind brakes" across the Jam's standoffs was a *necessity* to cope with
the wind.
Coast Guard Kiteman
AhClem0013 wrote:
<snip>
> What about Berkeley? What about Miami Beach? Those two major places banned
> sport kites for a time and it was not due to a small minority of kite fliers.
Just curious... when did Miami Beach have a ban? And did
it extend up to Haulover Beach? I lived in the Miami area from '88
to '95, and I use to go to Haulover with no problem. Of course,
I was flying SINGLE LINE stuff, so maybe that had something to do
with it.
I know that at the couple of beaches in BROWARD COUNTY
(north of Miami/Dade County) I tried to fly, I was told it
wasn't allowed.
Foiler21
In article <34F029...@ecsu.campus.mci.net>, Coast Guard Kiteman
<exflor...@ecsu.campus.mci.net> writes:
>
> Just curious... when did Miami Beach have a ban? And did
>it extend up to Haulover Beach? I lived in the Miami area from '88
>to '95, and I use to go to Haulover with no problem. Of course,
>I was flying SINGLE LINE stuff, so maybe that had something to do
>with it.
Around late '89 or '90, there were two or three incidents which caused the
police to have a dim view of sport kite flyers on South Beach, Miami.
This is how it was related to me to the best of my memory.
As you know the beach is hard-packed, and the police drive their cars on
it, or else ride their four-wheeled bikes. A foreign tourist thought it would
be fun to play *chicken* with a cop car as it drove along, with his Team
Hawaiian. Well, he misjudged, caught a wing-tip in a ground pass
heading at the front of the car, and when the car rolled over the kite,
[at 10 m.p.h.], he felt the police were responsible and should buy him
a new kite.
Whether it was the same tourist or not, I don't know, but someone
played *chicken* with a policeman on a Quadrunner [4-wheeled bike],
once again misjudged distances, and hit the cop with the flying lines.
Guess who was not impressed.
Remember this was in the days when people were also flying on
Kevlar, and Spectra was just coming in as the new line of choice.
Now either the same day, or on another occasion, the same thing
happened, with the same cop, and he will carry a 1-inch scar from the
right side of his mouth where the lines cut his face open, for the rest of
his life. I didn't witness the incident, but I have seen the scar. Ugly!
Now given that one, maybe two people have *assaulted* not just
innocent bystanders, but the 'authorities', what do you think their
reaction is going to be?
Many beaches will not let you fly, until after the life guards leave
around 5.00 pm. However, flying a single line responsibly, has never
caused me a problem, other than people being annoyed because the
'foil was causing too big a shadow, and interfering with their getting
a tan. Seriously!
Stretch
G. Helms
M.C. wrote:
> > Yep. On a trip to Kauai in November, I boughta kite at a store that was
> > going out of business.
>
> Let me guess, that was Kyle's Kites in Kapaa?
Yep, in Coconut Grove! I was very sad to hear that
he was closing his kite store there due to lack of business.
From going through the phone book, that leaves
only one kite store on Kauai, which is up in Princeville.
> Nice guy. My wife and I
> were there in November too.
Unfortunately I didn't get to meet Kyle...he wasn'tthere that day...but I was
fairly impressed to be given
Kyle's home number and told to give him a call if I
had any trouble with the kite (a Chicago Fire) and he'd
give me a hand.
> We were staying in Poipu north of the main beach, near the Hilton and
> Embassy Suites.
I was at the Haikuna Plantation, down near the Sheratonthat just re-opened.
If you go back again, you MUST
try out Piazzi's at the Plantation...outstanding food!
> I flew multiple times in the field behind the Embassy,
> and on the beach at the Hilton. On the beach, I just stayed at either
> the far north end or far south end, and did my flying in the mornings or
> late afternoons when there weren't many sunbathers. Actually, flying
> the Jam Session there usually drew a crowd of onlookers...
>
> The breeze was wonderfully consistent, though some days putting the
> "wind brakes" across the Jam's standoffs was a *necessity* to cope with
> the wind.
Wow! That must have been the week after I left!:) There wasn't much wind the
week I was there,
except for the last two days when I didn't have time
to go flying. But there were certainly appeared to be
plenty of places to fly if you chose an area that didn't
have sunbathers all over it.
Quite a beautiful island, isn't it? I found it hard to believe
that kite stores just don't fare well on Kauai...it is,
after all, an outdoor sport and isn't that what people go
to Kauai for as well as relaxation?
Jim Barber
Dennis Crowley wrote:
> have you ever flown a Hawaiian? They tend to weigh more than most
> kites. =8-).
>
> d.
Yes, but they make a great anchor man on the end of the rope. They can
really "tug". 8-).
Jim
AndyX Tauber
Jim Barber wrote:
>
>
> > have you ever flown a Hawaiian? They tend to weigh more than most
> > kites. =8-).
They tend to weigh more than most kids :)
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