Roger Maddy
Leszek
Dear Roger
Like others, I wonder at your posts but no matter. What I'd really like
you to tell us is:-
Why twelve lines?
How did you come to try out such an interesting concept?
Are 12 significantly better than 8?
Any suggestions for simple designs we could build to try out your ideas?
(if that was agreeable to your good self)
What about line drag?
What about handles?
Best Regards
Leszek
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Nerdbirds
>How did you come to try out such an interesting concept?
>Are 12 significantly better than 8?
Yes.
>Any suggestions for dimples we could build to try out your ideas?
Not at the moment.
>What about line drag?
Yes, lines are a drag.
>What about handles?
Experiment.
Leszek
In article <199805082101...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
nerd...@aol.com (Nerdbirds) wrote:
Yup-really useful and helpful. Nice piece of sharing. Many thanks.
Regards Leszek
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Nerdbirds
>Yup-really useful and helpful. Nice piece of sharing. Many thanks
You're welcome.
I'll try to put together some serious info,
but it will take some effort on my part.
I will... I promise.
Remember... don't take rec.kites too seriously.
If it's not some nerd like me messing with you, it will be one of 1,000,000,000
others. Deep breaths.
RM
Nerdbirds
>Why twelve lines?
Originally I flew two quad lined kite,s (Revs or deltas) one from each hand.
The third one is flown from the body... chest and hips.
Later I applied the concept to Puppet Kites... hooked 3 componets together.
>How did you come to try out such an interesting concept?
"Stole" the original idea from Lee Sedgwick at a Goodwinds Kites seminar in
'91.(?) He talked about flying a quad with one hand, using his fingers
somehow... gave me the idea of using a handle of some kind.
>Are 12 significantly better than 8?
8 would work good for two quads - one from each hand or an 8 line kite of some
kind.
>Any suggestions for simple designs we could build to try out your ideas?
I encourage people to be innovative and search for original ideas.
>What about line drag?
Many variables here... same thing applies for any kite. The kite experts can
explain it... I'm not into that end of it.
Formula anyone?
>What about handles?
I use X shaped handles, pivoting in the middle.
Thanks,
Roger
Matthew McGee
Roger,
Are you really so bored that you will start a thread, and then respond
to your own posts? I don't think anyone else in the world gives a
rip, but I thought this was incredibly sad, and required my
condolences. I'm sorry you're not actively ingaged in any pass-time
which takes up you copious spare time. (like KITING) Please find a
support group soon. (preferably NOT R.K.)
PS, I've gone back through the posts of past, and I can't find one
post of yours about anything worth reading...
Welcome to my Kill-File, Your the first, and hopefully the last!
nerd...@aol.com (Nerdbirds) wrote:
>>Why twelve lines?
<snippola>
Michael R. Claassen
Well, Mr. McGee;
I give a rip, and if someone wants to use rec.kites as a support group, I'm
all for it.
People like yourself give the planet a bad name, so enjoy your kill file. I
formally request to be added as the second entry in your kill file..
Matthew McGee wrote in message <6Du51.988$b7.4...@news.internetmci.com>...
Mike Smathers
Matthew McGee wrote:
> Are you really so bored that you will start a thread, and then respond
> to your own posts? I don't think anyone else in the world gives a
> rip, but I thought this was incredibly sad, and required my
> condolences. I'm sorry you're not actively ingaged in any pass-time
> which takes up you copious spare time. (like KITING) Please find a
> support group soon. (preferably NOT R.K.)
Dude.... take a chill pill. If you pay a little closer attention,
sor...@clubi.ie (Leszek) asked the question about twelve lines.
So Roger likes to do some strange things. Big deal. Has everyone
forgotten how to use the 'next' key?
I personally belive Roger stands in a class all by himself. I cant even
fathom flying a kite with twelve control lines (4 being attached to my
body muchless) or 3 quads at the same time. I personally say 'Hats off'
to Roger.
Remember, genius usually comes with a quirky personality -- and Roger is
the quirkiest (big grin)
Mike
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Collette Lemons
I would rather read a silly Roger post than a dozen posts whining about
Roger having fun. Add me to your kill file too.
Collette
Matthew McGee wrote:
> Roger,
>
> Are you really so bored that you will start a thread, and then respond
> to your own posts? I don't think anyone else in the world gives a
> rip, but I thought this was incredibly sad, and required my
> condolences. I'm sorry you're not actively ingaged in any pass-time
> which takes up you copious spare time. (like KITING) Please find a
> support group soon. (preferably NOT R.K.)
>
ZZ321BOOM
>Why twelve lines?
BOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leszek
In article <199805102204...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
nerd...@aol.com (Nerdbirds) wrote:
> >Why twelve lines?
Roger - this is good but we need much more detail...
Expectantly ...Leszek
PS. I live in Ireland - a little far for even Roger's alter-ego to stretch!
M & L Coons
I just want to meet the dude, sounds pretty cool to me. You gonna be at
Wildwood Roger? I want to learn to fly a REV. with my body.
Think Wind
MikeMike Smathers wrote:
>
> Matthew McGee wrote:
>
> > Are you really so bored that you will start a thread, and then
> respond
> > to your own posts? I don't think anyone else in the world gives a
> > rip, but I thought this was incredibly sad, and required my
> > condolences. I'm sorry you're not actively ingaged in any pass-time
> > which takes up you copious spare time. (like KITING) Please find a
> > support group soon. (preferably NOT R.K.)
>
M & L Coons
Matthew McGee
>formally request to be added as the second entry in your kill file..
You Got it!!
To everyone else...
I'm sorry. What else can I say? Clearly I had the wrong idea
regarding what newsgroups were all about.
Thanks for setting me straight. I'll take this example to heart.
From now on, I'll let Kitelife.com sift through all the garbage, and
I'll just catch the highlights.
Bye >:-\
Matthew McGee
Collette Lemons
Sorry you feel that way, but a big part of kiting is having fun, on and
off the field. There are not many stuffed shirts in kiting, but there are
a few. Most of us though, like to be funny and have fun, we are still
young enough at heart to laugh at Roger, who is quite harmless. We all
wish you well, although kill filing the silly people is quite effective
and you wouldn't have to spend the time reading our stuff.
Best of Luck,
Collette
Garry Box
Collette Lemons wrote in message <355C28D2...@sprintmail.com>...
>Sorry you feel that way, but a big part of kiting is having fun, on and
>off the field. There are not many stuffed shirts in kiting, but there are
>a few. Most of us though, like to be funny and have fun, we are still
>young enough at heart to laugh at Roger, who is quite harmless. We all
>wish you well, although kill filing the silly people is quite effective
>and you wouldn't have to spend the time reading our stuff.
>
Sorry Collette you are missing the point. Most of us like a bit of fun. The
trouble with roger is that with the exception of a few messages lately all
he posts is drivel and a lot of it is not even funny (at least IMHO). If he
wants to be humorous fine but at least keep it to a reasonable volume and
also stop changing your bl**dy email address so at least those that dont
want to read it can filter it out.
Regards GaRRy Box
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P.S. I dont have a kill list and I don't want to have one but roger promised
to grow up and as I commented at the time I did not really believe him and
hes proving me right. Everybody has something to contribute but at least
keep the volume of it at sensible levels please
Steve Bateman
Garry Box wrote:
> Sorry Collette you are missing the point. Most of us like a bit of fun. The
> trouble with roger is that with the exception of a few messages lately all
> he posts is drivel and a lot of it is not even funny (at least IMHO). If he
> wants to be humorous fine but at least keep it to a reasonable volume and
> also stop changing your bl**dy email address so at least those that dont
> want to read it can filter it out.
> P.S. I dont have a kill list and I don't want to have one but roger promised
> to grow up and as I commented at the time I did not really believe him and
> hes proving me right. Everybody has something to contribute but at least
> keep the volume of it at sensible levels please
If it means anything, I second this post.
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Collette Lemons
So because you dont find something funny, everyone else who does find him funny
has to give it up? I dont think so. It would be a lot easier if you sensored
yourself instead of the entire group. I am old enough to decide what I can read,
I dont need anyone to tell me. There are a lot of people in here who Roger dont
bother at all. Just quit reading his stuff, how much more simple can it be?
Collette
Collette Lemons
So why do you continue to read Rogers posts? I have a next button on my news group
too, but most give the option of skipping over posts, then when you are done hit
the button that says mark all posts read and you never have to read another Roger
post again. Simple and easy.
Collette
KITETOMB
.
Steve Bateman
Collette Lemons wrote:
>
> So why do you continue to read Rogers posts? I have a next button on my news group
> too, but most give the option of skipping over posts, then when you are done hit
> the button that says mark all posts read and you never have to read another Roger
> post again. Simple and easy.
It's hard to identify his posts when he changes his name and email
address.
If I could identify all his posts, I wouldn't read them. The
ones that I can identify (Nerdbirds and such) I do pass over.
If someone new to rec.kites did the things that Roger does,
would you be so relaxed about it?
Mark de Roussier
On Fri, 15 May 1998 23:18:43 -0500, Collette Lemons <rok...@sprintmail.com>
wrote:
> Just quit reading his stuff, how much more simple can it be?
I've nothing against a joke, I even make one every now and then, and a month
or so ago before Maddy really hit his stride, I felt quite relaxed about it.
On the other hand, I don't read this group for a laugh, theres alot of stuff
out there, and I have limited time to spend on it. I'd dearly love to be
able to quit reading his 'stuff'. I'd happily settle for missing the odd
genuine contribution. He deliberately makes this practically impossible, and
that is extremely annoying. Why is it difficult ? Because I also want to be
able to read new threads and messages from newbies.
To employ your 'just mark everything you don't read as read' tactic, which
is what I do anyway, doesn't help at all if I can't tell who a message has
come from. At the moment I think I have about four filters operating against
the juvenile drivel Maddy and alter egos/associates seem to find
entertaining, so I'm doing what I can to help myself, but it seems every
couple of weeks or so I have to add a new one. It may be that it will go no
further, I think AOL only give 4 ids per account.
As for you wanting to be able to read whatever you want to, thats fine - but
the crux of the matter is choice, and Maddy's tactics seemed aimed at
denying me the choice *not* to listen him.
But whatever, this has gone beyond a newbie just 'having a laugh', this is
newsgroup terrorism pure and simple. I don't know what Maddy's agenda is,
whether its just an ego trip or something darker.
But, whilst I respect the decision of the likes of Peter de Jong to leave
r.k., thats not my choice.
So I'd appeal to everyone reading this who's tired of Maddy ( and it seems
there are a few... ) - mail AOL and complain. If this achieves anything it
may only shift the problem, after all ISP's aren't hard to find, but doing
nothing is a certain way of letting the problem continue.
Garry Box
Collette
If you actually bothered to read my post you would see the reason. Roger
constantly changes his email address making it very difficult to skip his
posts.
Having said that you assume that I want to skip his posts. I never said
that. All Im asking is that Roger uses one email name so that those people
that do want to skip his posts can do so easily. Is that a unreasonable
request ?
I still believe Roger could contribute useful info to this news group. I
would love to hear more about his kites and how he flys them. Thats why I
read this newsgroup to read about kites if I wanted mindless drivel im sure
I could find a relevant newsgroup.
Regards GaRRy Box
-------------------------------------------------------------
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For further Information Email m...@nexus1.demon.co,uk
Or check out our Web site http://www.canleo.demon.co.uk/mkf.htm
Collette Lemons wrote in message <355D149C...@sprintmail.com>...
>So why do you continue to read Rogers posts? I have a next button on my
news group
>too, but most give the option of skipping over posts, then when you are
done hit
>the button that says mark all posts read and you never have to read another
Roger
>post again. Simple and easy.
>
>Collette
Kite-a-holic
On Sat, 16 May 1998, Mark de Roussier wrote:
>As for you wanting to be able to read whatever you want to, thats fine - but
>the crux of the matter is choice, and Maddy's tactics seemed aimed at
>denying me the choice *not* to listen him.
>
>But whatever, this has gone beyond a newbie just 'having a laugh', this is
>newsgroup terrorism pure and simple. I don't know what Maddy's agenda is,
>whether its just an ego trip or something darker.
FWIW, I agree...at best, Maddy's posts are childish and immature, at
worst they mirror tactics I've seen in other newsgroups and mail lists,
that of deliberately attempting to disrupt and ultimately destroy the
group or list.
I find Maddy's posts of no interest whatsoever, and have taken to
deleting them without reading...but like others, my time is limited, and
I'd rather he and the few 'friends' (whom I suspect are Maddy himself
under other IDs) who claim to enjoy this adolescent exercise in mental
masturbation take it to private email, and leave this list to the
grownups, before more of those who prefer adult discourse are driven
away, like Peter de Jong...
>So I'd appeal to everyone reading this who's tired of Maddy ( and it seems
>there are a few... )
Count me amongst that group.
>- mail AOL and complain.
There's a reason AOLer's have no respect on the Internet, and Maddy's
proving the point.
I think Mark has made an excellect suggestion, the address to send
complaints to is ab...@aol.com; you can also try the generic
postm...@aol.com, but you'll get a form letter back after a couple of
days saying they're forwarding your complaint to ab...@aol.com.
June ;-)
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Simon Hayns
Hey Roger,
If you're going to spam this newsgroup with your 'humorous' posts at
least have the decency to use a constant moniker so those that don't
approve can killfile you.
It was mildly amusing the first couple of times, however you're
starting to piss me off. Anyone else agree?
Simon Hayns
Remove the .spamoff for my e-mail address
KITETOMB
I have decided that I may not want to be alive any more.
I am going to go see a doctor.
One that believes in assisted suicide.
JACK
KITETOMB
There are none.........
Except one:
Play hardball with Roger Lee and you will get your rear booted from here to the
hardware store at the corner of 1st and Mars.
I promise.
Roger Lee Maddy
You be nice. I be nice. Play too rough with me and I sick sicko on ya.
Rat hare in publick.
KITETOMB
Subj: Spam-stop request no. 12
Date: 5/17/98 9:45:19 PM TST
From: do...@cs.auc.dk (Thomas Dorf Nielsen)
To: kite...@aol.com
Please stop spamming rec.kites with this kinda crap!
<nl><nl>
>From: kite...@aol.com (KITETOMB)
>Subject: Re: Dear Mr. and Mrs. John Doe
>Newsgroups: rec.kites
>Date: 15 May 1998 13:26:31 GMT
>Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
>Path:
sunsite.auc.dk!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.int
ernetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not
-for-mail
KITETOMB
>From: do...@cs.auc.dk (Thomas Dorf Nielsen)<BR>
Thanks for the 98 copies of this in my email box.
I live in a free country.
How about you?
Suggestions:
Anger Management Class.
A Good Doctor.
Go to Church.
After you unsubscribe from rec.kites.
KITETOMB
>PTSIZE=10>>From: do...@cs.auc.dk (Thomas Dorf Nielsen)<BR>
>Thanks for the 98 copies of this in my email box.I live in a free country.How
>about you?Suggestions:Anger Management Class.A Good Doctor.Go to Church.After
>you unsubscribe from rec.kites.<
Forgot to sign it...
Roger Maddy
Nerdbirds
Just to add one more note:
If I lose all my friends, it doesn't matter to me.
I only need One.
Roger Maddy
V & C
We have agreed with your statment for quite some time Simon.
Obviously, the concerns of we who _dont_ appreciate this type of
behavior in this NG makes little or no difference to Roger.
We used to visit daily, but only once or twice a week now. Getting to be
less & less of _value_!
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Floggit Maddly
sif...@ihug.co.nz.spamoff (Simon Hayns) wrote:
>Hey Roger,
>Simon Hayns
Well obviuosly I don't agree with you!!
Mindlessly stupid postings on worthwhile NG's are the hallmark and
obligation of every self-absorbed and overly verbous idiot with
Web-TV!
I've got this neat new toy, and i want to play with it!!!!!!!!!!!
How dare you say anything about how stupid and annoying I am!
WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
Maybe I'll kill myself, that way you'd all be sorry!
Plz read my thread under "Advice Needed (severe satire)"
It explains my philosophy completely!
yours not so truely,
Floggit Maddly
Andy Wardley
Because he keeps changing his email address which makes it very difficult
to filter them out.
The problem with anyone who posts like Roger does is that it annoys half
the people who then start arguing with the other half. This thread is
a case in point. A dozen silly posts snowball into a hundred angry ones.
Roger has acheived what he wanted which is to create attention for himself.
In the process, the signal to noise ratio has dropped off the bottom of
the scale and rec.kites has become harder to read. Those who aren't
interested in Roger have to trawl through his drivel because of his
seemingly deliberate attempts to subterfuge any attempt to ignore him.
I don't find Roger offensive and the posts themselves are harmless and
sometimes amusing (for some definition of humour). But repeatedly posting
the same kind of thing over and over again is counter-productive and just
serves to inflame people.
Posts your silly posts, Roger. Have your bit of fun and make people smile.
No-one said rec.kites shouldn't be a light-hearted and fun place, but you
do need to learn when to shut up when you don't have anything to say.
A
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Penny & Steven Lingenfelter
Hi Roger,
Would you please post under just two names. One name for fun and one
name for serious kite information. I know you have a lot to offer and I
really don't want to miss the good stuff!
Best Breezes,
Penny rkd2#kites
Brian Johnsen
In article <895279083.21010.0...@news.demon.co.uk>,
Garry Box <Ga...@nexus1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Collette Lemons wrote in message <355C28D2...@sprintmail.com>...
>>Sorry you feel that way, but a big part of kiting is having fun, on and
>Sorry Collette you are missing the point. Most of us like a bit of fun. The
>trouble with roger is that with the exception of a few messages lately all
>he posts is drivel and a lot of it is not even funny (at least IMHO). If he
>wants to be humorous fine but at least keep it to a reasonable volume and
>also stop changing your bl**dy email address so at least those that dont
>want to read it can filter it out.
[ ]
>P.S. I dont have a kill list and I don't want to have one but roger promised
>to grow up and as I commented at the time I did not really believe him and
>hes proving me right. Everybody has something to contribute but at least
>keep the volume of it at sensible levels please
Yes, everyone is sorry. It took us well over a year to orient Frank K.,
but he seems to have grown into a fairly respectable net.citizen.
New puppies can be fun, but it takes them time to learn where the papers
are and how to accomplish things. One does tire of having to rub their
noses in it and the odors are not pleasant. Eventually they get it right.
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Steve Allen
In article <199805171243...@ladder03.news.aol.com>, KITETOMB
<kite...@aol.com> writes
>You be nice. I be nice. Play too rough with me and I sick sicko on ya.
>Rat hare in publick.
it used to be funny..........
if peter de jong has realy gone for good then we've lost a lot already.
I can go to work to listen to kids screaming and giving it some mouth,
but they usualy have just the one personality, much easyer to handle.
it's got to the point where you had a whole thread with just you in it,
if you feel the need to talk to your self why do it here?
any onewho can design build and fly 12 line kites must have a lot of
good things to say ( i cant even get a 3 line design flying well:) ) and
we could use the help.
the noveltys worn of now roger/nerdberd/tombbloke/insert random made up
names here.
--
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Steve Allen
In article <199805171256...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, KITETOMB
<kite...@aol.com> writes
>Thanks for the 98 copies of this in my email box.
>I live in a free country.
>How about you?
>
>Suggestions:
>Anger Management Class.
>A Good Doctor.
>Go to Church.
>
>After you unsubscribe from rec.kites.
sucks having to wade through loads of crap to get to the intresting
parts doesn't it :)
we know just how you feel
at least it was only in your box and not everyones newsreaders
--
Steve Allen
Colin Douthwaite
On Mon, 18 May 1998 11:05:46 GMT, a...@cre.canon.co.uk (Andy Wardley)
wrote:
>Collette Lemons <rok...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
>>So why do you continue to read Rogers posts?
>Because he keeps changing his email address which makes it very difficult
>to filter them out.
Even if the posts don't get filtered out no one has to read any post
they don't wish to read.
If the title of a post or the author tends to upset you...just skip
it.
I read only a small number of daily posts in most newsgroups and I
don't use a filter or a killfile...I look at the subject title, tag it
for download, using either Free Agent or TIN newsreader, and read the
tagged articles later on my own machine at my leisure.
OK, it looks like Roger Maddy is trolling and the only effective way
to deal with trolls is to ignore them. Giving them attention is what
they thrive on and responding angrily to their trolls pleases them
even more.
If people leave the newsgroup in despair then they really do feel they
have succeeded with their trolling...and indeed they have succeeded!
So...if the trolls do make you leave the newsgroup just go off
quietly. Don't give the troller the satisfaction and gleeful
enjoyment of reading publicly that he has driven you away.
Bye,
Kite-a-holic
On Tue, 19 May 1998, Colin Douthwaite wrote:
>
>OK, it looks like Roger Maddy is trolling and the only effective way
>to deal with trolls is to ignore them. Giving them attention is what
>they thrive on and responding angrily to their trolls pleases them
>even more.
>
>If people leave the newsgroup in despair then they really do feel they
>have succeeded with their trolling...and indeed they have succeeded!
Okay...I've seen this done in other newsgroups and mail lists, but only
where the subject tends to be controversial, politics, alternative
medicine, etc. In those forums, the motive for such trolling is obvious,
the idea is to, at the very least, so disrupt the list as to make it
useless, by driving away the intelligent, thoughtful posters, and
overwhelming the list with childish taunts, 'me too'-type posts, and
outright flamewars -- at worst they seek to totally shut down and destroy
the list.
For the life of me, I can't discern a motive as to why anyone would wish
to accomplish that on rec.kites...what POSSIBLY could be the idea behind
driving away those who contribute intelligent, thoughtful posts, chockful
of useful information, to be replaced by meaningless drivel?
Just why would someone wish to DESTROY rec.kites?
June :-7
OGO 4
Roger got all of you guys!!
He is up to 16 posts when I
got on. Get it!
Roger, let me know how many
you get on this one?
Dawn