MEFM
f...@ovnet.com
I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
Thanx
Jeff
Hi,I had two MEFM's sold the older one for $100.00 to another kite who
liked it. I like the wind range on the kite. I have a hard time doing
nice clean tricks with it. I have to work to hard tomake it do the
tricks. I found a better kite called TC ULTRA. with 3 wraps for spares.
It has a wind range of 1 to 10 mph. I have a list of tricks here Im
working on and so far it does the turtle,axels, 540 spins, coin flip,
and the belley launch. It is great on precision movement.It is about the
same money as MEFM.You can get one at just about any kite store.
Steve Bateman
f...@ovnet.com wrote:
>
> I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
It is a good kite. Don't believe the low wind range that some catalogs
have it as, it takes 3-4 to make it fly good. Believe the line range
that
is stated in the bfk catalog; 200lb line in wind over 15 is not an
exageration
I really like the Mefm because of the variable aspect ratio. High
aspect
ratio does the tricks, low aspect ratio does the precision. It feathers
("turtle") better than any other kite I know of, and comes out easy to
at
your command. Tip: replace the bottom spreaders with spreaders 1/2 inch
longer.
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On Sat, 01 Mar 1997 18:20:04 GMT, f...@ovnet.com wrote:
>I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
>it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
>and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
>Thanx
>
IT IS BETTER THAN what catalog says
Phil
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Dan Amerson
f...@ovnet.com wrote:
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> I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
> Thanx
I will say that everyone I see flying them takes the kite out,
launches, lands, adjusts, and does this repeatedly. It seems
to me that the kite takes too much fine tuning. It may fly
great, but I'd rather be in the air with something simple.
Go with that other guys recommendation, buy an Ultra. TC Powers
makes great easy kites, and they're dual/quad.
Tom Valenti
On the "Most Excellent Flying Machine" ....
I have flown it in light and Heavy Winds in the Columbia river gorge in
Washington State USA and she flys just fine and performs real well!!!
She drew a big crowd too! Could have sold some there if I had a few
more.
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KB7RSK
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http://www.eskimo.com/~valenti/kites.html
rfs1
> f...@ovnet.com wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> > it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> > and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
> > Thanx
>
I had an MEFM and sold it. It didnt suit me very well but it is
an excellent kite. It is big so not so easy to do radical tricks
but it will do em. It axels easily, 540s nicely, stalls really well and
slides like a dream. Pancakes and magic carpet launches are excellent
Everything is adjustable on it (something which I found I didnt like
much)
I couldnt fly it well in very low winds, but it would fly light (but
not 0- otehr perople can probbaly do this), It flew ok in high winds
but I shied (sp?) away from testing too much as the spars are pricey.
Workmanship etc is brilliant some really nice touches (i didnt like the
bridle much or the standoffs I was scared of busting them and catching
them
on grass) but I thouhjt the connectors and stiching etc was top.
Eventually i decided that I prefered to fly my Phantom ELite
in lights winds and smaller kites eg BoT, Psycho in higher winds.
but thats a personally opinion.
Borrow one and fly it before you decidecos they aint cheap and its
how it feels to you that matters.
Rob.
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I differ with the gentleman who said that the MEFM needs
alot of tuning. My husband and I fly the MEFM in pairs
competition. We usually leave the bridle set and just
take out one or two speaders depending on the wind.
Some flyers will play with the bridle of any kite even
if the kite doesn't need tuning. We have gotten really
good results from our MEFM's which we have used as
our low wind kite for the past four years. Not to say
that it will not fly in high wind, we have other kites
for that purpose and have dedicated the MEFM on
the low end.
It's a great kite. Try to find someone flying one and
ask if you can try it before buying. It is always
good to do this no matter what kite you see that you
think you might like. Kites are too expensive to make
a mistake in buying one that you don't like after you
have made the investment.
Ruth
Kevin and Linda Sanders
Dan Amerson wrote:
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> f...@ovnet.com wrote:
> >
> > I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> > it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> > and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
> > Thanx
> I will say that everyone I see flying them takes the kite out,
> launches, lands, adjusts, and does this repeatedly. It seems
> to me that the kite takes too much fine tuning. It may fly
> great, but I'd rather be in the air with something simple.
> Go with that other guys recommendation, buy an Ultra. TC Powers
> makes great easy kites, and they're dual/quad.
I fly MEFMs in my team and love them. Once you have flown in a few different wind
speeds you get to know exactly how to set it up. Rather than get it out, fly it,
adjust it, fly it, adjust it some more, etc....... it's more a case of get it out,
check the wind speed, adjust it and just fly!!! The adjustability just means you
have a kite that performs great over a wider wind range than most kites. And at all
the settings it tracks like its on rails, turns really tight with NO oversteer,
stalls and slides really well and generally performs great!
Kevin
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Hoy Quan
rfs1 wrote:
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> > f...@ovnet.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> > > it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> > > and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
>
> Borrow one and fly it before you decidecos they aint cheap and its
> how it feels to you that matters.
>
That is one of the best comments I have heard in a long time. Car
dealerships allow potential customers to 'test drive' their products
before buying and build the "demo" cost into the cost of doing
business.
When it comes to $200.00 + kites, should manufacturers or retailers
offer a similar option? If they really feel their products are so
great, why not give the products a true test.
Unfortunately some people do not live close to a kite shop or have kite
shops that have a fleet of demo kites. Now that should present an
opportunity for a manufacturer, retailer, or mail order house.
The downside of such a program is that a small minority might abuse this
offer just in the same manner an occassional "joy rider" may take a test
drive at an auto dealership.
I personally have flown more kites than I can remember and come across
more than a few that are not worth the nylon they are made from (or
Icarex). If manufacturers really believe in their products and
retailers (store front or mail order) really want to justify their
purpose in the kite food chain, such a program might actually work.
I am open for suggestions and comments. We have offered a handful of
demo kites to customers and got extremely positive feedback. The cost
of such a program is high and if manufacturers want to assist by making
special "demo" kites at reduced cost, this can expand the program to
other kites and retailers....
We created a comparision test between two of the newest spectra lines at
a reduced cost and have found that letting the consumer decide beats all
the hype generated by advertising or "unbiased" posting.
Hoy
BFK
http://www.bfknet.com
L&J
Kevin and Linda Sanders <fly...@terra.net.au> wrote in article
<332234...@terra.net.au>...
> Dan Amerson wrote:
> >
> > f...@ovnet.com wrote:
> > >
> > > I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
>
different wind
> speeds you get to know exactly how to set it up. Rather than get it out,
fly it,
> adjust it, fly it, adjust it some more, etc....... it's more a case of
get it out,
> check the wind speed, adjust it and just fly!!! The adjustability just
means you
> have a kite that performs great over a wider wind range than most kites.
And at all
> the settings it tracks like its on rails, turns really tight with NO
oversteer,
> stalls and slides really well and generally performs great!
>
I too fly the MEFM. I have three of 'em (and an M2 from the same
manufacturer) and them all. The adjustment is a feature, and allows you to
set it up do that it feels the same in a very wide range of wind speeds. As
the previous poster said, once you fly the MEFM for a while, you know where
to set it for given winds, and don't have to keep fiddling with it. In
fact, you don't have to fiddle it at all, if you don't want to. It'll fly
just fine in a fixed setting. The nice thing is that you have the option to
tune the heck out of if IF YOU WANT TO.
Tuning it makes the MEFM a very predictable kite, no matter what the wind
conditions. It will fly in very low winds without a hitch. It can also
handle very high winds -- much higher than most people are comfortable
flying in -- if you install the optional air brakes.
It's a great kite. Try it. Decide for yourself.
Lionel Gibbons
Ted Perdue
Hoy Quan wrote:
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> rfs1 wrote:
> >
> > > f...@ovnet.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
designer and builder of all of their kites), the longest tenured MEFM
owner. Mine was one of the "batch" of 2 "new" EFM's built to test the
(at that time new) Icarex and G-Force products. I can honestly say that
I have flown in winds ranging from 1 1/2 -2 mph to 30-35+. The first
time we flew them was the only time I wanted to try the upper limits but
we had a competition 2 days later. I still have this kite. It is the
only kite I fly in competition. Hoy is being very diplomatic in his
posting, he has had a Big Easy on his cover for 3 or 4 years. If you are
willing to spend time playing with the tuning to really learn what it
can do for you you will understand the loyalty that MEFM flyers have to
these kites.
P.S. My MEFM is 5 years old this spring and the icarex hasn't faded or
streched yet.
Steve Bateman
Ted Perdue wrote:
> P.S. My MEFM is 5 years old this spring and the icarex hasn't faded or
> streched yet.
As before, I highly recommend the mefm. But the icarex does fade. I
made the mistake of trying to fly at a dog only beach one day; the
kite lost. When I fixed the kite by sewing on icarex over the rips,
there was a definite color difference between the sail and the patches.
The mefm was about 3-4 years old.
John Lutter
<sorry, I chopped this message cos it would have been too long>
> I personally have flown more kites than I can remember and come across
> more than a few that are not worth the nylon they are made from (or
> Icarex). If manufacturers really believe in their products and
> retailers (store front or mail order) really want to justify their
> purpose in the kite food chain, such a program might actually work.
>
comment down)
> I am open for suggestions and comments. We have offered a handful of
> demo kites to customers and got extremely positive feedback. The cost
> of such a program is high and if manufacturers want to assist by making
> special "demo" kites at reduced cost, this can expand the program to
> other kites and retailers....
What the kite dealer near me does (Krazy Kites in Orlando) is allow a
"fly before you buy" session. This doesnt involve flying the ACTUAL kite
sitting in the display, but one of the "demos" of that kite. The way
that the owner keeps the costs down is that he lets people fly *HIS*
kites. Most shop owners purchase their own "demo" kites to fly before
they sell them at their store, it is easy enough to let a perspective
customer take your kite out (with supervision of course)to test fly.
Granted, they may not be flying the kite that is sitting in the
showroom, but they will get the idea of the capabilities thru a similar
if not the same "used" kite. If the kite gets beat up, but you sell 10
new ones, isnt it worth the cost of losing your personal collection
piece?
Just my opinions.
John.
Peter D. Rau
I can assure you that "any" sail clothe is going to fade with time, but by
comparison the Icarex is going to hold it's color far longer than any kite
made of Carrington or Bainbridge sail clothe.
I own 2 EFMs...far older than Ted's MEFM...and because they have been kept
clean and stored properly without exposure to ultraviolet rays...the sails
look quite good and have not faded...these are not even made of
Icarex...it's the Bainbridge clothe Ray used prior to switching to Icarex.
I worked for Ray a few years ago and have lots of fond memories of testing
the prototypes for lots of his unique ideas...Ted can vouch for that...
I suggest anyone wanting to purchase any of Ray's kites..whether the MEFM
or the M2...fly as many other kites beforehand as possible...because once
you fly the MEFM you'll be spoiled rotten and no other kite will satisfy
you. The MEFM is the most versatile ultralight available...there's not
many that you can fly in the wind range the MEFM will fly in...in low winds
it can't be beat...and because of it's tunability it can't be beat in high
winds as well
Peter Rau
scott.l...@gmail.com
> I am interested in the MEFM and would like more info on
> it ,like is it as good as the catalog says, it sure sounds good,
> and what better place to ask then where the experience is.
I have been a keen kite flyer for years, and have many kites, if I had to keep only one of them,. it would be my MEFM, it is that far ahead of all other competition stunt kites, it just not funny.
I actually have 2, a light and a super light, both fantastic.
I recall many years ago in Bali, breaking one of the stand-offs and a local kid made me one out of a piece of bamboo stick, and it actually flew just as well, until I returned home and got a replacement.
Lindsay
David B
As that question was 18 years ago, I doubt your reply was of much use.
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