I've been flying kites for ages, Blade7.2 - 4.9 - buggy, Rev Shockwave,
Benson Outerspace, Stack of Super10's...etc...and have never found the time
to go to one of these gatherings, so I was determined to go this year, and i
was just so disappointed.
I'm not sure what i was expecting but this most certainly was not it.
I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but the feel of the show was that of a
collection of "train spotters". And the guys in the open top bus with the
commentary, what was that all about?? My GOD!! Talk about irritating.
Someone please tell me that there is more to a kite festival than this....
q.
x
> Hi all
> I've got back from the kite festival at Weymouth yesterday and am
[]
>
> Someone please tell me that there is more to a kite festival than
> this....
much better if you spend night and day for 5 days prior to the
festival building a 17 meter or so inflateable display kite that is
unique and so cool and so on and then go to the festival and fly the
thing......
then everyone comes to you and says, "so, did your wife do the sewing
for you?"
and the first time you laugh and say no and the thousandth time you
kill them with your eyes, and grimace and say 'fat chance'
and the 10000th time you just kill them and fly the body as art deco
from your big kites hauser. (noone will notice....:-)
I spent last week so doing, but had to miss the fest itself, in fact
have never seen the kite fly...... never will.....
my cohort took it to the fest in Cape Town, and donated it to the
auction, proceeds to go to the Cape Mental Health Society....
to those that were at the fest, the Squid was a killer no?
we plan a bigger one, plus some other designs..... just wait....
Weymouth is a SLK festival - and SLK'ers are - shall we say - are the
trainspotters of the kite world in many ways.
The London Kite festival will have buggy racing, and bristol and brighton
are good fun. However many festivals are run buy SLK'ers. They often resent
Duel Line flying - especially trick flying because of the sort of people
they attract. My general feeling is not printable.
ed/
quietertime <quiet...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:957256765.21445.0...@news.demon.co.uk...
> Hi all
> I've got back from the kite festival at Weymouth yesterday and am
wondering,
> are they all like this?
>
> I've been flying kites for ages, Blade7.2 - 4.9 - buggy, Rev Shockwave,
> Benson Outerspace, Stack of Super10's...etc...and have never found the
time
> to go to one of these gatherings, so I was determined to go this year, and
i
> was just so disappointed.
>
> I'm not sure what i was expecting but this most certainly was not it.
>
> I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but the feel of the show was that of a
> collection of "train spotters". And the guys in the open top bus with the
> commentary, what was that all about?? My GOD!! Talk about irritating.
>
> Someone please tell me that there is more to a kite festival than this....
>
> q.
>
> x
>
>
>
>
i agree... sounds like youd be much better off at hackney or bristol...
much more upbeat etc etc etc
(and they even segregate slk'ers at bristol... groovy huh?)
*only kidding*
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yea....come go to a 'cooler' festival like Hackney/Brighton.....shame
ya just missed blackheath....there were some really great trick flyers
there flying some really cool new kites ;-) hee hee
laters all,
luke
I tar with one (too) big brush ...
I have great respect for the creative aspect of kite flying. I myself enjoy
making and flying Single Line kites. But just as I despair at the actions of
some power fliers (like the guy who gave his 9yr old son a 5m Peel i saw
flying on Monday - madness!) i have always felt bad "vibes" from SLK'ers.
Even my wife noticed it when she used to go to festivals ...
I'm sorry guys - if a non flier can notice it then there is something wrong.
Either Sport Kiting and Craft Kiting need to go their separate ways - which
would be a shame - there is nothing like flying to an aerial backdrop of
inflatables and fireworks, or festivals need to represent all equally. We
have a hobby that can appeal to 3 very different types of people craft,
sport and power ...
If we cant do festivals where everyone is welcome then we might as well tell
the to stay indoors - because those new fliers wont be back.
Again I am sorry for reacting - SLK'ers do not all resent Duel Liners, just
like freestyle fliers and designers don't resent Power fliers
Right Guys?
Ed/
like a rebridled paradox! ...
oh and what was the other one .. the VD, the VDU, the Vibe,
a great kite from a great flier.
see ya,
ed/
>
> to those that were at the fest, the Squid was a killer no?
>
> we plan a bigger one, plus some other designs..... just wait....
Despite my fit of pique - look forward to it.
Ed/
But in their defence - a Kite festival WITHOUT the colours, designs,
and sheer originality of some of the single line kites, especially the
bigger ones, would be a very drab festival indeed.
I'm sure is what gets the general public's attention - A kite festival
with ONLY little triangular kites whizzing round to classical music on
clapped-out P.A. systems would be even less of an attraction!
And of course us power kiters respect the fact that we need space &
safety to be considered while we demonstrate our "mine's bigger than
yours" antics!
I think we're all train spotters really... and the last thing a train
spotter needs is a station where only one type of train visits...
Hi Peter!
> Well, here's a suggestion - I have always noticed that Single Line Kite
> Fliers don't even really need to be on the end of their kite lines,
> apart from tugging it once in a while to make sure it's still there -
> maybe we could make so that they set up, then go off to the pub, and
> leave their kites behind?
What and see a huge parafoil smash my car in - no way :0)
> But in their defence - a Kite festival WITHOUT the colours, designs,
> and sheer originality of some of the single line kites, especially the
> bigger ones, would be a very drab festival indeed.
Agreed. I like to see the sky full of all kites.
> I'm sure is what gets the general public's attention - A kite festival
> with ONLY little triangular kites whizzing round to classical music on
> clapped-out P.A. systems would be even less of an attraction!
Dance Music on a decent PA with lots of banners and some inflatables and a
semi organised trick off with some /expert/ comentry (rather than "erm he's
doing a flicky thing - sort of axle combo - on its back erm ...") might
help.
> And of course us power kiters respect the fact that we need space &
> safety to be considered while we demonstrate our "mine's bigger than
> yours" antics!
Certainly true. Such festivals will need lots of space, and maybe a Map of
what is where so new fliers "know where to go".
> I think we're all train spotters really... and the last thing a train
> spotter needs is a station where only one type of train visits...
I's kool and radikal like de Ali G show, me is. booyakasha!
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FWIW, IMHO, YMMV.
It struck me that the fest no more or less spotterish than any
other I've been to. Heavy SLK bias, that's for sure, but that's
not necessarily a bad thing.
The things that _did_ get up my nose were crowd control, crowd
control and crowd control. I was flying (briefly) in the stunt
area, which was tiny, and spent more time trying not to kill
the kids running amok (one in particular) than flying. I nearly
blatted one guy (a flyer, sorry mate) with my foil trying not
to (a) strangulate the little kid and (b) take out a revolution.
Later, I helped firstaid a small child and father who had been
flying a little kite (no problem with that) but got hit (in the
faces, no less) heads with a delta at full speed. Now they may
have been in the wrong place - the delta flier _was_ there
first - but he could and _should_ have moved when he realised.
And his father could and _should_ have apologised to the guy
(whose kid's face was black and blue and whose own face was cut)
rather than bawling him out.
Anyway. Not nearly enough crowd control or space, IMO
I probably won't go back, although watching big inflatables
take out half of the team flying them was momentarily
amusing.
Simon
No, they were not new, except the mini Gemini of course ;-)
Patrick
Different Festivals have hugely different characters. No festival can be
all things to all people, although some ( usually the ones with alot of
space to play with, unlike Weymouth ) come close. You need to think
carefully about what it is that you want, and then ask around. Weymouth
is not noted for catering for multi-line fliers who actually want to fly
their own kites, its much more of a public show geared to single line
displays. Often the nature of a festival reflects the interests of the
organisers and the sponsors, and I think its probably fair to say that
Weymouth is no exception.
MdeR.
The problem is no different to any other situation in which groups with
different interests/requirements must compete for limited resources (
i.e. the ground and the sky ! ).
Tolerance and understanding can get you a long way, but it only takes a
small amount of selfish behaviour to cause trouble and polarise peoples
views.
I strongly believe that, where practical ( which is the exception, not
the rule ), its better to seperate single lines from multilines because
their ground/air requirements are different and conflicting.
But in general there isn't the space to do this effectively, so the onus
is on individual fliers to be *aware* of others in their vicinity, to
*understand* what their concerns are ( very different for single line vs
multi line fliers ), and to be *proactive* by doing what they can to
minimise conflicts. Unfortunately, the lack of any one of these three is
sufficient to cause problems, but experience certainly helps.
MdeR
4 letters for you.....V I B E.
About as new as new trick kites can get, short of being just prototypes.
laters, luke ;-)
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Not wanting to boast, but I jhave seen a six year old with a hi-
80. I know this sound unbelievable, but anybody who was at
berrow 99 can tell you who this was with the Hovis HI-80
Andy
We have come to the conclusion that very few people realize the amount of space
we need to do our thing. they used to book us for what I call closet parties. We
would be in parking lots surrounded by buildings and we would have to share that
with clowns, the music system and stages for the other things going on at the
same time. After a summer of that hell I finally decided not to do that anymore.
Now I am very much involved in a lot of local festivals and I make sure we not
only have space to fly but good parking too. It makes the experience much better
for all involved. Now we have some really fun places to go without all the
hassles.
I realize not everyone has time to do this, but maybe getting a hold of the
committee and letting them know your needs they can find a way to address them.
Collette
Great idea.......I attended a (sorry guys) pretty poor affair on Easter
Monday in Worcester (UK). There were three problems:
1. The weather had been atrocious all weekend, and so the field was a
mudbath.
2. The field was tiny.........I was using 130 foot lines, and from that I
would judge that the field was only 250 foot long.
3. SLKers........They turned up nice and early as always and winched up
their various constructions, but on a field that small there was no room
left for anyone flying. Three quarters of the kites there weren't being
flown, they were tied to tow-bars.
Obviously the organisers can't do anything about the first problem, but the
second and third problems could surely be addressed.
Ian White
Hmmmmm, yeah why not :-)
> I've got back from the kite festival at Weymouth yesterday and am
wondering,
> are they all like this?
** A lot are to some extent but is that a bad thing?
The big question is 'What is a festival for?'
Basically it is to entertain the public and meet up with a few people,
drink, have fun more fun and go home for a rest.
I have only missed one Weymouth and actually enjoy it......else why would I
go.........
I used to do dems in the arena (with a Stunt Kite Team), I have flown Roks
(big Japanese Fighting Kites not the bricky things) in the arena, given
buggy demonstrations, done tandem rides, last year was boating and a bit of
surfing and this year........well errmmm went in the water to help and
......got drunk one night............dossed around........met a few people
and that was about it.... However, John, (Mad John) as he was once known
was flying his single line kites that he made......he also won an award for
most 'inovative kites or kitemaker' (easier to type than to say).
There are many festivals tha go on each year and there are very few that
cater foe all ilks of kie flier. People generally want to pigeonhole
themselves however it may be better to think of yourself as a 'Kiteflier'
and not a SL, SK, Buggier, Surfer, Power Kiter..........then when you go to
a festival you can 'fit' in to whichever categoray you feel suits the
occasion.
Most major festivals cater for large display kites and also many single
kites, they also have team demos both 2 line and when the Decs are around
(usually Washington and Bristol) 4 lines. They also have Indian figter
Kites dems (ever tried one? cheap but fun) and buggy dems usually by some
mebers of the BBC.
I used to buggy at Weymouth and was still be able to avoid the kitefliers
and the people but this year there were Stewards who pointed to the two line
area (the point was never made but we were there to do
buggying/surfing/kiteflying etc and we tend to buggy at the bottom of the
single liners, dodging and weaving through their kites). It was easier to
keep the peace and no doubt they had been given their instructions but I am
sure that if we did it others would follow and problems would arise.
>
> I've been flying kites for ages, Blade7.2 - 4.9 - buggy, Rev Shockwave,
> Benson Outerspace, Stack of Super10's...etc...and have never found the
time
> to go to one of these gatherings, so I was determined to go this year, and
i
> was just so disappointed.
** Judging from your collection you obviously like the two line/power side
of kiting and quite honestly there are few festivals that would fully cater
for this. In some cases there may be some space but it is usually a far way
off from the crowd and then you begin to wonder why you are there in the
first place.
>
> I'm not sure what i was expecting but this most certainly was not it.
>
> I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but the feel of the show was that of a
> collection of "train spotters".
** As I mentioned before having come throgh the various stages of kiting
areas there are the 'train spotter' element to all categories. I have never
made a kite, I refuse to use all the 'technical' terms for turning in
buggies summet to do with Jiving or whatever and generally play dumb as this
keeps me out of some of the more mind numbing conversations. However, what
must be appreciated is that to someone who is new to something they are full
of enthusiasm......this can be boring to somebody who has been there, done
it got the tee-shirt but but why spoil their fun? Stand and
listen......usually they are explaining because they want to learn from you
and have some respect......This follows across all areas of kiting and a bad
word from you could prevent somebody from having a good time, if this makes
them a 'train spotter' so be it.
And the guys in the open top bus with the
> commentary, what was that all about?? My GOD!! Talk about irritating.
**Again, usually the commentary is to inform and entertain the public, if
humour can be fitted in as well mores the better. Having commentated at
some major festivals it is quite hard to be able to keep going. Things need
to be repeated and pointed out as the flow of the public changes often.
>
> Someone please tell me that there is more to a kite festival than this....
**Course there is, The White Horse Kite Fliers (yes they were there at
Weymouth with their big kites etc) hold an event at Wroughton Airfield which
is by Swindon. They also INVITE (honestly, they activly invite) buggiers
to their event!!! This is how by having respect and a little care dealing
with people everybody is happy to accomodate others who do not have or do
the same as them. There is room for ALL aspects of kiting (except surfing
that is...but it is an inland airfield).
If you want to fly there just turn up, if you want to buggy you must have
BBC insurance, If you want to have a good time make an effort to talk to
complete strangers and very soon maybe, you can enjoy a festival by simply
just being there.
Also some of the London based (I know not actually in London but somewhere
south of Watford) has festivals that cater for all!!
Middle Wallop caters for all, Berrow caters for POWER KITING covering all
wheeled kite powered stuff and surfing, a few people also fly their stunty
kite things......it also lasts for a whole week and there is cheap beer/food
etc etc etc. (plus a few 'train spotter' buggiers)
If you want to go to some of the larger fest's try Washington, and Bristol
not much room for doing stuff yourself but the whole events are
brilliant....you may be able to fly have a quick buggy at the close of play
but mostly people are drinking, partying and having other fun.
Phew, what a monolgue but I hope that my somewhat confused point comes
over.
regards
Ian
Looked like a Midi to me. :-)=
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Nope, most certainly not.
>I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but the feel of the show was that of a
>collection of "train spotters". And the guys in the open top bus with the
>commentary, what was that all about?? My GOD!! Talk about irritating.
Yep. They're the reason I've stopped going to Weymouth and Portsmouth
festivals. Andy King and George Webster are the two individuals
concerned, and they've been using the same inane, carbon copy commentary
ever since I've been flying kites. They seem to love the sounds of their
own voices but alas, rarely have anything of value to say.
Weymouth has problems with the size of the beach available and the
large number of general public also trying to share the same area. It's
a nice location, but you have to accept that it's not a very good festival
for actually flying kites. For Weymouth, the best strategy seems to be
a set of earplugs, a visit to the pub, enjoying the beach and watching the
single line kites.
Most other festivals are geared more towards participation. I suggest
you give another one a try before writing them all off as a bad experience.
Hackney, Brighton, Weston, Bristol and Bath come to mind as enjoyable
festivals in the UK.
yea yea....I think Dave has been told that plenty of times too.....and
has changed the colour scheme I think. I understand the newer ones look
less midi'ish now. Still, even if the sail pattern looks the same, the
actual sail "shape" is quite differant (lot deeper stand-offs etc.) and
it certainly flies differant to one!
laters all, luke
>
> A
>
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>
My second gripe is when someone puts unstable kites in the middle of all the
other kites, creating a tangled mess or forsing the rest of the kites from the
sky.
My third gripe is stunt kiters who inist on leaving their kites in the middle
of the flying field when they are finished flying so no one else can use the
area.It really messes things up when an entire team does it. Parking them on
the edge of the flying field leaves room for other activities.
Sometimes common sense and consideration for others can go a long way to make
the event enjoyable for everyone..
Collette
>I love the single line kites and I like to fly them when I get a chance. I also
>fly stunt kites. My biggest gripes are the single line fliers who stake out
>their kites in the middle of the flying area so no one else can play. They
>don't realize that their kites can be enjoyed from the edge as well as the
>middle. So everyone can participate.
>
That reminds me of an old boy who was flying a small sled at the Petworth
festival / fly-in last year.
He was standing right at the back of the flying area and his kite was
flying (just about) a couple of hundred of feet away at the very front of
the area. His line was at an angle of 15-20 degrees from horizontal.
Argghhh!
After a while his kite crashed so he marched - OK, hobbled - off to
retrieve it. About 45 minites later he returned with his sled.
Still, he seemed to be enjoying himself which is what counts.
I wasn't overly concerned or worried though. I only had one kite with me
that day and a mate of mine borrowed it for quite a while to practice
flapjacks which he'd just learned how to do.
I also had a bit of a laugh watching Sam Eaton and his troupe of "DIY
Painters" (a couple of steps down from the Decs.) doing a fair impression
of the Nat West bank logo with their revs.
Regards
James
"Watch the kite not where you're going!"
(RB 29/8/98)
The kite looked good though. I liked the multi coloured versions, rather
than the black and white ones. Luke seemed to be doing some nice things with
it too. Pity about Robin's arm, it would have been nice to see what he could
have done with it too. get well soon dude.
Chris.
Luke Brown <luke_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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i love it... got some real nice lazy suzan combos going...
arms doing well... getting movement back in my wrist, and scars healing
ok... hope to see you all at bath...
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In article <8ev01p$dd$1...@gxsn.com>,
"Chris Matheson" <when...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote:
> The sail graphic did look a little like the old 95' version of the
Midi
> Sandpiper. Well, it kinda looked the way I was going to update it at
that
> time. But if it's missed any of you. I did change the graphic
drastically
> back in 98'. So you guys have an old graphic, sorry ;O)
>
> The kite looked good though. I liked the multi coloured versions,
rather
> than the black and white ones. Luke seemed to be doing some nice
things with
> it too. Pity about Robin's arm, it would have been nice to see what
he could
> have done with it too. get well soon dude.
>
> Chris.
>
My only real claim to fame is that I once asked the Decorators to
vacate the single line arena at Bristol- oops! Still got a red face
over that.
John
On Fri, 05 May 2000 11:50:12 GMT, bu...@pavilion.co.uk (James Hodson)
wrote:
That should help stop people making comparisons to the old Midi Sandpiper, I
never did black and colour combos'.
>
> i love it... got some real nice lazy suzan combos going...
>
> arms doing well... getting movement back in my wrist, and scars healing
> ok... hope to see you all at bath...
Good to hear it dude. You gotta watch those feet of yours, tripping over
them at your age. I ask ya' ;O)
Let's hope we don't get a repeat of the weather the other year at Bath,
dramatic or what.
>
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>
Chris.
It wasn't helped by the fact we we're all flying different Revs
on different length lines. Nothing like starting on an level
playing field. But is was fun, and that's what festivals should
be about.
Neil.
bi...@kites.org.uk
>Ummm... I resemble that remark :-)
>
The name Neil rings a bell. BTW, who was the other Revist?
>It wasn't helped by the fact we we're all flying different Revs
>on different length lines. Nothing like starting on an level
>playing field. But is was fun, and that's what festivals should
>be about.
>
Petworth was my first festival. T'was much fun which, as you so rightly
say, is what they should be all about.
>Nothing like starting on an level playing field.
>
It might have been a bit bumpy and slightly rutted in places... but it was
generally flat. Excuses, excuses, excuses :-)
Anyhow, Neil, I shouldn't mock. I've never even tried to fly a Rev, let
alone contruct logos of financial corporations with them.