New Newbie Kite, maybe to build
pyr...@hotmail.com
Hi,
I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come to
the conclusion that my kite is just too heavy for a beginner. My rational
being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for another
kite.
I am looking for recomendations for a new kite. I would like a kite that is
light so it doesn't take gale force winds to get it into the air. I would
also like a kite that can take a fair range of wind speeds, from nearly
nothing to fair east coast beach winds. I would also like a kite that isn't
tooo fast so that I can learn some of the basic moves and tricks a little
more easily. (I have pretty much mastered your basic loops and spins, but
nothing as nifty as an axle.) Oh, and I'm not looking to break the bank
either, my first kite cost about $70 and I believe I got ripped off.
Someone recomended a Beetle, at $40 this sounds pretty good. Can anyone make
any more suggestions based on the above requirements. (I am open to more
requirements if you see fit.)
Lastly, would it be worth it to me to try and build a kite? If so, can
anyone recomend a good plan based on the above requirements. I have the
required equipment (ie quality sewing machine) but not the specific kite
building skills. I always like to learn new skills though.
Your help is greatly appreciated.
TIA
jS
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Beetle, but will probably last longer till you outgrow it.
Don't get me wrong the bettle is a good kite.
As for building one Goodwinds Kites in Seattle sels kits. For your first
build I would recommend taking a kit approach so you don't need to worry
about materials ans well as construction.
Other than that there are lots of plans on the net. Check out my site
below, I have lots of links to stores, material suppliers, and plans.
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David Gomberg
> > I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come to
> > the conclusion that my kite is just too heavy for a beginner. My rational
> > being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
> > flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for another
> > kite.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of kite do you have? There's nothing
wrong with buying more kites, of course, but there's a chance that your
tuning is off and that's why you seem "too heavy".
Try shifting the tow point (the place where your flying lines connect to
your bridles). Experiment moving them up and down. Just be sure to keep
both of them even (equal distance from the top of the kite) or you will
throw the balance out of wack..
Please note: "out of wack" is not a technical term...
Good luck!
dg
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pyr...@hotmail.com
David Gomberg <dgom...@orednet.org> wrote:
> > In article <71nv25$e3a$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pyr...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > > I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come
to
> > > the conclusion that my kite is just too heavy for a beginner. My rational
> > > being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
> > > flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for
another
> > > kite.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what kind of kite do you have? There's nothing
> wrong with buying more kites, of course, but there's a chance that your
> tuning is off and that's why you seem "too heavy".
I have a Jamaica by "Kites of the Caribbean". I have adjusted the bridal (it
wasn't easy) and it did improve the kite's handling but not as much as I would
have liked.
I have been looking at the dynamic and active bridals and am concidering
trying one but been able to figure out the dimentions yet. (I did read a
post a little earlier today that gave pretty good dimentions, I will try it
out soon)
The reason I believe the kite is heavy is, I can't get it to take off easily
outside of a strong wind. With light wind I can't get it off the ground for
longer then a second or so, then it flutters off to one side and goes down.
With a medium strong wind I can get it up a little higher with the same
results. With a strong wind the kite shoots straight up into the air and all
is well.
>
> Try shifting the tow point (the place where your flying lines connect to
> your bridles). Experiment moving them up and down. Just be sure to keep
> both of them even (equal distance from the top of the kite) or you will
> throw the balance out of wack..
>
Yup, this is what I have done and it did improve the kite's handling a little
bit.
I havn't given up on the kite yet, I just believe that a lighter kite would be
more beneficial as I can learn alot more with the kite in the air then on the
ground. Perhaps this kite would be better to be used later or in heavier wind
situations.
I would mainly like a kite that I can use in lighter wind.
Thanks for your help.
jS
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Derek Wong
bought the Beetle.
It's a good kite. I learnt to how to control, and it allows me to crash many
many times with
no hurt. It's a good starting kite. It's a light kite, and can launch easily
under light wind.
However, this kite isn't very stable and oversteer easily since it's a small
kite. And it isn't
easy to stall and land. Now I got a full size kite, and I like a feeling of it's
'heavy'. Actually the
wind range is similar to Beetle, but it's much easy to stall, land and precise
control.
Now I fly the Beetle to learn tricks because I am not afraid of crashing it.
Beetle is a good
kite, but it won't keep your satification long. The First Step from DKC is also
a good starting
kite. It's a little bit bigger, and has a good price.
Derek
pyr...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come to
> the conclusion that my kite is just too heavy for a beginner. My rational
> being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
> flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for another
> kite.
>
> I am looking for recomendations for a new kite. I would like a kite that is
> light so it doesn't take gale force winds to get it into the air. I would
> also like a kite that can take a fair range of wind speeds, from nearly
> nothing to fair east coast beach winds. I would also like a kite that isn't
> tooo fast so that I can learn some of the basic moves and tricks a little
> more easily. (I have pretty much mastered your basic loops and spins, but
> nothing as nifty as an axle.) Oh, and I'm not looking to break the bank
> either, my first kite cost about $70 and I believe I got ripped off.
>
> Someone recomended a Beetle, at $40 this sounds pretty good. Can anyone make
> any more suggestions based on the above requirements. (I am open to more
> requirements if you see fit.)
>
> Lastly, would it be worth it to me to try and build a kite? If so, can
> anyone recomend a good plan based on the above requirements. I have the
> required equipment (ie quality sewing machine) but not the specific kite
> building skills. I always like to learn new skills though.
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated.
>
> TIA
> jS
>
Gary Wake
>
> Hi,
>
> I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come to
> the conclusion that my kite is just too heavy for a beginner. My rational
> being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
> flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for another
> kite.
>
> I am looking for recomendations for a new kite. I would like a kite that is
> light so it doesn't take gale force winds to get it into the air. I would
> also like a kite that can take a fair range of wind speeds, from nearly
> nothing to fair east coast beach winds. I would also like a kite that isn't
> tooo fast so that I can learn some of the basic moves and tricks a little
> more easily. (I have pretty much mastered your basic loops and spins, but
> nothing as nifty as an axle.) Oh, and I'm not looking to break the bank
> either, my first kite cost about $70 and I believe I got ripped off.
>
> Someone recomended a Beetle, at $40 this sounds pretty good. Can anyone make
> any more suggestions based on the above requirements. (I am open to more
> requirements if you see fit.)
Sorry but, you get what you pay for in this sport. If you
like sport kite flying
and you want to do the tricks you're gonna have to dig deep
and shuck it out. Now,
I can tell you that the more expensive kites will last you
for years. So, it is
- to me - a good investment.
Sail material and rods are a real consideration along with
capabilities. I highly
recommend the Voodoo Standard. I fly the UL but, I also know
more about kites. As
a beginner the Standard would be a dream come true. Sounds
like you've been flying
junk. That's not really flying it's just keeping the kite
up.
The Voodoo is a real trickmaster of a kite and is made with
Sky Shark rods 5p I
believe. The UL is 3p I know. I beat my UL to death and it
keeps on going. I've seen
master flyers do things to that kite that make me cringe,
Literally! I know of one that
finally had a lower spreader break. This guy is a real kite
abuser. He does every trick
known at lighting speed with that kite. He's always working
on inventing new tricks - thus
the broken spreader.
Call 734.454.3760 for Jon and Marianne Trenephol of Kites
and Fun Things in Plymouth, MI.
I believe they are marking their prices down. The Voodoo Std
was 175.00 but, check with them.
Jon is a world class flyer and kite designer. He designed
the T&T Premiere which is a very
affordable trick and tracking kite. I own two and love em.
They do all the tricks. I also own
his T&T Competition which is a real winner. It's more than
you might want to spend though
and probably a little too much kite for you right now.
I believe they are selling the T&T Sport or Premier for
about 120.00 comes with a nice winder
100ft 150# line and handles. Reall nice deal. That's why I
own two. My 11 year and 10 year old
do snap stalls, axles, several nice ground tricks, fades,
etc. real well. These kites are also
made real tough. They crash em all the time. I mean they
crash em. My son broke a lower spreader
last week. That's the only damage they've done.
Check it out - Good luck! You'll need it. Especially after
you do your first AXLE!!!!
S.K. Brown
kite. Light air takes skill to fly and with the practise time an
ultralight allows, you'll find you progress quickly. I don't think I'd
recommend a super expensive ultralight. I find that I don't fly my
G-Force skinny kites the same way I do my regular carbon sparred ones.
The exotic spars are more fragile and much more expen$ive. If you don't
crash once in awhile, you're not trying hard enough- if you're breaking
things, maybe you're trying too hard!
COM:
Dan Whitney of Gone With the Wind Kites has a special on of Premier's
Tricks & Tracks at $69.00. The address is
http://www.gwtw-kites.com/bargains.html
This is a nice kite at a nice price. Is it the last kite you'll ever
need? No, there's lots more beyond this, but it'll get you off to a good
start.
I'm not associated with GWTW Kites, but I have bought a few from them
and been very satisfied with their service.
Regards,
Steve
Tom Baumgardner
KiteFlyingFool <NOSPAM_kit...@kiteflyers.org> wrote in article
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> In article <71nv25$e3a$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, pyr...@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have
come to
> >
> You might consider a Spark II from Prism. It will cost you more than a
> Beetle, but will probably last longer till you outgrow it.
>
>
The Spark is a good kite but it takes 5MPH to fly. The actual range is
5-25, If a low wind kite is really preferred you might want to check out
the Prism Vector which has a 2-15 MPH range. It also has a solid carbon
frame which makes it more durable. The Vector sells for around $80 complete
with video and a line set. The Vector has a Turbo bridle which needs no
adjustment through it's whole wind range. Standard bridles need adjusted to
fly well through their whole range. As you gain experience you might want
to fine tune your turbo bridles by adjusting them, but they are much better
than the old standard bridles at handling varying wind conditions.
When you gain more experience you will appreciate finer qualities of more
expensive kites. What you will end up with will be a minimum of three kites
to handle most wind conditions. You will want a ultra light for very light
winds, a standard for medium or normal conditions and a vented version for
higher winds. But even vented kites have an upper wind range above which
they may fail by having their frame break. Not a fun experience. I hope
this helps. Have a great time flying.
Tom
Graham Langhorne
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am a fairly newbie flier (getting better all the time) and I have come to
>being, if it's too heavy to take off of the ground I can't get better at
>flying to move out of the beginner relm. Therefor I am looking for another
>kite.
(5-30mph) and a beginner can fly it with ease.I've sold a lot of them to
teenagers as their first or second kite . In the UK it sells for £60.00.
>
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