Two Diabolo Site Cont.
Brett Walach
Dave Barnes wrote:
>Anyway, with a bit of help thanks Nick), I've put four rough two diabolo
>mpegs up at http://138.253.32.144/diabolo
OK, I've checked 'em all out now and I must say you are quite good at that.
Did you mess up at all making those clips?
I have some 2 Diabolo related questions for you...
I noticed you have some Renegade diabolos... those are the 5" version right?
Have you tried other types of diabolos in 2 Diabolo juggling? Any thoughts
on which are better, worse?
I noticed you choke up on the left stick. Any reason why? Does this help you
control the diabolos better?
You seem like a good person to learn from.. I hope your web page has some
good info. I wanna know how exactly you did that floor start in the
HYPER.MPG. I can see both strings go around the red Diabolo, and that when
you pull it all up the yellow leaves the string for a brief moment, but I'm
not quite sure how you have the string in there.. Well, I kind of do..
Anyhoo, I think there needs to be more frames per second still. I noticed
the diabolos blurring in many frames, is this because of the low frame rate
or just the camera? I guess it would be the camera though. Well, do you have
a different camera? Or maybe you could just do portions of tricks at higher
frame rates and see if that helps. You are just really fast at it! Oh, it
would also help to keep the camera on a tripod... just make sure you have
enough room around you. When the camera tracks you, it blurs. It seems fine
where it is still. Look at the first 3 frames of HYPER.MPG, and other times
throughout.
I have a 56Kbps modem and would not have a problem downloading 2meg files..
or even 10meg files.. I don't care.. it's free(well, 5cents per phone call
to dial up), and I'm learning some great tricks that I could not learn
anywhere else really.
Do you have a CD ROM burner? If so, you could put together some good stuff
and distribute it at cost or a little over.. Or, send me a video tape, and
I'll make a CD and distribute it. Do you have enough 2 Diabolo tricks for
say 30mins. worth of air time? At 10MEGS/minute (VHS quality), 30mins. would
only fill less than half a CD ROM.. so maybe you can include some one
Diabolo tricks too(advanced ones). I think this would be REALLY cool!!!!
CD's cost as low as 99cents to ship anywhere in the US. Where are you
located?
Keep up the good Diaboloing!
Sincerely,
Brett Walach
Dave Barnes
Well it's not worth putting an mpeg of someone dropping a diabolo up on
the site is it? ;-) I did mess up a few times amking the mpegs, but
then they were only done to check out the camera and suchlike. (But all
those tricks are solid and included in my routine).
> I noticed you have some Renegade diabolos... those are the 5" version
right?
Are there any other sizes (I don't mean that to sound sarcastic even
though it probably does).
> Have you tried other >types of diabolos in 2 Diabolo juggling? Any
thoughts on which are better,
> worse?
I've posted about this a few times before. Basically, I think that
renegades and Henry's Circus are superb, and I think that Babache
diabolos are horrible (because they're heavy, soft and they seem oddly
proportioned compared to other diabolos). It's all down to personal
taste though - there's nothing wrong with Babache for the people who
like them. I'm not sure if I'll use mainly Henry's or Renegades for the
site yet. I suspect I'll use renegades in the end because everything is
_so_ much more solid with them, but Henry's seem more 'pure'.
> I noticed you choke up on the left stick. Any reason why? Does this
help you control the diabolos >better?
Choke up? I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean that it looks like
my left hand is doing nothing, then yes. ALL the work in basic two
diabolo stuff (the way everyone but Donald Grant seems to do it :-) is
done with the right hand. The job of the left hand is to take up the
slack of the string, while the right hand drives the shuffle and makes
all corrections. There are exceptions to this - when I do two around my
right arm, the roles of the hands are swapped.
> I wanna know how exactly you did that floor start in the HYPER.MPG. I
can see both strings go
> around the red Diabolo, and that when you pull it all up the yellow
leaves the string for a brief
> moment, but I'm not quite sure how you have the string in there..
Well, I kind
> of do..
I've not got time just now to go into it but I've posted about it before
so it'll either be in the deja.com archive or probably at the
rec.juggling archive. Failing that, it'll be on the site (and so will
the one handed version which works just the same).
> Anyhoo, I think there needs to be more frames per second still.
Or maybe it should be a faster exposure rate. Considering that I'm
planning on using a PAL camcorder in future, I think I'm restricted to
25 frames a second (50 interlaced)
>I noticed the diabolos blurring in many frames, is this
> because of the low frame rate or just the camera? I guess it would be
the camera though.
I think it was the camera but I haven't tried another yet. I borrowed
the first, so I'll borrow another and see how that works. Basically, I
was impressed with the idea of an mpeg camera with a floppy disk drive
in it, but I don't think it's best suited to the job I had for it.
> You are just really fast at it!
I think the mpegs look a bit faster than they really should look.
> Oh, it would also help to keep the camera on a tripod...
Will do!
[snipped stuff about burning CDs]
I've spoken about this to a few people. It could be a good idea but
it'll depend on the content. I've done a contents page with about fifty
tricks or variations on it (it includes wraps, traps, 2 in 1 hand stuff
and suns (a.k.a. round the worlds). I'm not much good at body tricks
and aerial stuff so I don't think I'm best placed to cover it), so maybe
there's enough content for a video. The problem with the videos on CD
idea is that it becomes a 'hey look at me' thing, where what I want to
do is more like a book which also happens to have movies with it,
because many people just don't get to see the tricks that it covers.
Perhaps it would be a good idea as an extra visual aid to the site.
> Where are you located?
Liverpool, England.
Thanks for the help and the ideas. The upshot of everything I've said
is that I need to see how it goes with the camcorder. In my view, the
mpegs on the site are not good enough but I don't know if there's a
computerised answer to these problems yet, and that's what I'd prefer to
do over the videotape idea (which I've just ralised may fall foul of the
different video standards we have).
Dave
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Michiel van der Ros
Cool that you put those mpgs online. Maybe you remember me from the Dutch
juggling festival.
I have a suggestion fot the recording, to make the diabolo's less blurred:
Use a very small shuttertime. I you have a digital camera, there must be an
option on it. I presume you know about shuttertimes and stuff. Most tricks
are very hard to follow now. I am sure this will do much more good than a
higher framerate.
Good luck!
Michiel van der Ros
The Netherlands
Nick Huxley
>Anyhoo, I think there needs to be more frames per second still. I noticed
>the diabolos blurring in many frames, is this because of the low frame rate
>or just the camera? I guess it would be the camera though. Well, do you
have
>a different camera? Or maybe you could just do portions of tricks at higher
>frame rates and see if that helps. You are just really fast at it! Oh, it
>would also help to keep the camera on a tripod... just make sure you have
>enough room around you. When the camera tracks you, it blurs. It seems fine
>where it is still. Look at the first 3 frames of HYPER.MPG, and other times
>throughout.
As the men in white lab coats say, "We're working on it". Getting it off
video footage via the TV tuner card seems like a nice way forward. We have a
scanner so if Dave or I feel like drawing some illustrations ala Kaskade
then they can go on as well.
>I have a 56Kbps modem and would not have a problem downloading 2meg files..
>or even 10meg files.. I don't care.. it's free(well, 5cents per phone call
>to dial up), and I'm learning some great tricks that I could not learn
>anywhere else really.
Good as I have 1 gig ( and rising ) of web space to mess about with and I
intend to fill it.
Another project is to put Dave Kelly and Jamie Fletcher doing three ball
stuff on there as well :)
>Do you have a CD ROM burner? If so, you could put together some good stuff
>and distribute it at cost or a little over.. Or, send me a video tape, and
>I'll make a CD and distribute it.
Yes I have a CD burner and I'm planning to dump the whole thing on CD at
some point. Not just for backup, they could be prizes in the Liverpool
Juggling Convention and I might just give them out at other conventions. I'm
sure we can send it out for cost when we've got enough to put on it. At this
rate in about 6 months.
I'll have to consult with Dave on how he feels about distributing it but I'm
all for it as long as no-one makes a profit. You could download it all and
make a CD anyway without me being able to stop you so I can't see there
being a problem.
regards
Nick
dirtycow
news:7r0ndq$orl$1...@news.liv.ac.uk...
> >Do you have a CD ROM burner? If so, you could put together some good
stuff
> >and distribute it at cost or a little over.. Or, send me a video tape,
and
> >I'll make a CD and distribute it.
>
> Yes I have a CD burner and I'm planning to dump the whole thing on CD at
> some point. Not just for backup, they could be prizes in the Liverpool
> Juggling Convention and I might just give them out at other conventions.
I'm
> sure we can send it out for cost when we've got enough to put on it. At
this
> rate in about 6 months.
if you were going to make a CD of this type, I'd buy one, and I am suprised
that no other company has looked at doing whole juggling/diabolo tutorial
CD's. If someone already has, gimme a supplier/URL plz
Dave Barnes
bruc...@wave.co.nz (Bruce Love) wrote:
[some stuff snipped]
I'm not totally sure what you mean - I don't see how this trick is a
method of accelerating one diabolo. The 1 diabolo trick I think you're
describing is:-
- throw diabolo slightly to the right
- catch diabolo by taking right handstick over axle to right of diabolo
and then move hand back to the left hand side so your arms are crossed
left over right with the diabolo on top of the string
- throw diabolo from arms crossed position
- uncross arms and catch diabolo.
If that's the trick you mean, then yes, it works with two diabolos in
exactly the same way as it does with one - you just think about the
diabolo described above, make the catch and throw quickly, and let the
other get on with it. It's one of those two diabolo tricks where the
second diabolo just sort of gets on with it. I think the action of
making the over the axle catch forces diabolo 2 to pop a little higher
than normal, but you don't need to think about making it do that.
It's a nice trick (and one I hadn't thought of putting on my site), but
it doesn't give much (if any) acceleration.
The best trick to get acceleration with two is the two diabolo version
of chinese whipping. It's not easy to explain it fully in ascii text,
but the basic idea is:
- as as a diabolo moves down the RH side, you move the end of the RH
stick around it anticlockwise so the string is wrapped around it.
- Then by moving the RH stick upwards and using the weight of the
diabolo, you can make it unwrap itself and carry on in the shuffle.
Experiment with one diabolo. The aim is to do a quick whip and unwrap
on a diabolo when it passes the RH, so get this solid with one diabolo.
When it's solid with one, go for it with two. Again, the second diabolo
should just behave itself - the whip will make it pop up and it will
come back down just as the wrapped diabolo has been unwrapped.
For a movie of the trick you might want to look at hyper.mpg on my site
(http://welcome.to/diabolo). When I get the new improved movies
done (i.e. ones where you stand a chance of seeing what's happening :O),
this'll be one of the first tricks to go on the site as it's one of the
best things to learn early on.
Hope that was clear enough,
Dave Barnes
"Michiel van der Ros" <mic...@mail.com> wrote:
> Maybe you remember me from the Dutch juggling festival.
Yup.
> I have a suggestion fot the recording, to make the diabolo's less
> blurred: Use a very small shuttertime.
I think you're right. I'll just have to see though.
Thanks,
Bruce Love
diablo spinning anticlockwise it is popped to left. The left hand stick
circles anticlockwise under then over it capturing it on the downswing.
Acceleration is increased as the hands cross left under right. Diablo
popped off again and caught near right stick hands uncrossed.) I use this
move to build up spin on one diablo. Does anyone know any method of doing
this move with two diablos??????????.
thanx Bruce Love