WJF 7.5

[WJF_INFO]

WJF Update for December 8th, 2011

The WJF 7 DVD

It's here!!!!!

http://www.thewjfstore.com/

The WJF 7 Live Two-Disc DVD Set. I know a lot of you have been waiting for
this DVD. Editing from a live telecast presented some unique challenges
but I've managed to pretty it up and tighten the edit so that everything
moves fast and there's a lot more coverage of replays and much better
footage. Plus I've put in a bunch of extras making the total runtime over
three hours. Here's what you get:

The Advanced Short Programs
The Freestyle Battle
Major League Combat
Beginners, Juniors and Intermediates (Top three finalists from each
division and prop category)
Highlights from Maximum OverDrive
Extended cut of the 7 Club Incentive Program
The Sil-X Implosion Ballistic Missile Strike Championships
And never before seen Behind the Scene footage from the day of the live
telecast

And I'm giving this DVD set away for free until the end of December for
all orders that total $300.00 or more. Or you may choose to purchase the
DVD set individually if you don't want anything else :)

However you obtain your WJF 7 Live DVDs, I thank you for your support of
the WJF.

WJF 7.5
JOC
Junior Overall Championship
Cool graphic here:
http://www.thewjf.com

WJF 7.5 will be held at the 2012 Seattle Juggling Festival this January
12th-15th:

http://seattlejugglingfestival.weebly.com/

In the next few days I will be releasing the requirements to participate
in the Junior Overall Championship. There will not be any short programs
or routine forms. It will be the most objectively judged competition to
date. There will be Endurance, Isolated Endurance, 360s, and skill set
competitions. Plus we will also produce Maximum Overdrive 3 - an insane
juggling trick exhibition show performed by top level WJF athletes. Olga
and Vova Galchenko will be returning to the WJF and the Seattle Juggling
Festival as will Nathan Herz, WIll Silvers, Rebecca McDonald, Joe Showers
and a number of other well known WJF competitors soon to be revealed.

Best of all, the Seattle Juggling Festival is FREE to attend. Four days
long and held at Seattle Center. I grew up in Seattle and practiced at
Seattle Center every week (sometimes every day) so I'm happy to be
bringing a WJF event back to where it all started for me.

I will also be holding a multiple day master class limited to 20 students
similar to what we held at the third WJF Training Camp. More details on
the master class will be posted soon. There will be a charge for this
series of workshops.

So I hope to see all of you at WJF 7.5 and the Seattle Juggling Festival
January 12th-15th at Seattle Center in the Fisher Pavilion. Happy
Holidays!!!!! I'm now off to Australia!

Jason Garfield
World Juggling Federation
President

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[Franco187]

WJF_INFO wrote:
>
> WJF 7.5 will be held at the 2012 Seattle Juggling Festival this January
> 12th-15th:
>
> http://seattlejugglingfestival.weebly.com/
>
> In the next few days I will be releasing the requirements to participate
> in the Junior Overall Championship. There will not be any short programs
> or routine forms. It will be the most objectively judged competition to
> date. There will be Endurance, Isolated Endurance, 360s, and skill set
> competitions. Plus we will also produce Maximum Overdrive 3 - an insane
> juggling trick exhibition show performed by top level WJF athletes. Olga
> and Vova Galchenko will be returning to the WJF and the Seattle Juggling
> Festival as will Nathan Herz, WIll Silvers, Rebecca McDonald, Joe Showers
> and a number of other well known WJF competitors soon to be revealed.
>
> Best of all, the Seattle Juggling Festival is FREE to attend. Four days
> long and held at Seattle Center. I grew up in Seattle and practiced at
> Seattle Center every week (sometimes every day) so I'm happy to be
> bringing a WJF event back to where it all started for me.
>
> I will also be holding a multiple day master class limited to 20 students
> similar to what we held at the third WJF Training Camp. More details on
> the master class will be posted soon. There will be a charge for this
> series of workshops.
>
> So I hope to see all of you at WJF 7.5 and the Seattle Juggling Festival
> January 12th-15th at Seattle Center in the Fisher Pavilion. Happy
> Holidays!!!!! I'm now off to Australia!
>
>

Damn it! Why is Seattle so far away?


I wonder if Jason is the one who designed the Seattle Juggling Festival
logo (1)?


1: As seen on http://seattlejugglingfestival.weebly.com/

[Mobius]

While I respect Franco's comments, I feel the need to add my perspective.

Jason,

You are NOT the god of juggling, and the delusion you're trying to force
on us real life jugglers (OK, it might just be me) is something I don't
wish to be a part of.

My advice to all jugglers is to take everything Jason says with a serious
pinch of salt. I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on the
'front' line of reality, an I have no interest in the elevation of his ego.

Mobius/Adam

[Franco187]

Mobius wrote:
>
> Jason,
>
> You are NOT the god of juggling, and the delusion you're trying to force
> on us real life jugglers (OK, it might just be me) is something I don't
> wish to be a part of.
>

Well yes, it might just be you.

Yeah I'm sure Jason plans to spend all his time at the Seattle Juggling
Festival just forcing everyone to be like him and physically destroying as
many unicycles and yoyos as he can.

Seriously Adam, just relax. The WJF is there. Many enjoy it. Many don't.
That's it. Nobody is forced to be a part of it.

And while of course you can reply to this comment (free speech and all
that) and try to start yet another debate on this topic, I would
appreciate it if you didn't.

Cheers

[Mobius]

Thanks for your opinion, I wonder if it reflects everyones?

My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it. As you say,
Many Don't, so maybe Jason should respect the wishes of others and retitle
his organisation as Jason's school of Sport Jugling or something similar.

With respect,

Adam

[Franco187]

Mobius wrote:
>
> My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
> a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
> feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it.

Ok then, you are officially NOT a part of it. Thank you for clearing that
up.

[Mobius]

Franco187 wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> >
> > My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
> > a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
> > feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it.
>
>
> Ok then, you are officially NOT a part of it. Thank you for clearing that
> up.
>

Oh man, are you Jason's official spokesman? And the spokesman for the
global juggling community? I'm not trying to be nasty, just expressing my
opinion in a supposedly world of free speech. Why so defensive? There's
thriving juggling communities around the world and I refuse to revolve
around Jasons...this can only lead to a constriction of development.

[Connor Jones]

Seriously, both of you should just shut the hell up already! Who gives a
damn if one person likes the WJF and one person doesn't? Furthermore,
Jason has every right possible to name an organization whatever he wants,
regardless of any implications it might bring up. He's worked damn hard
over the past 7-8 years, so don't even begin to discredit him, and don't
assume anything bad about the WJF just because you think he was a d-bag
back in 2004. He's still sarcastic like that, but he's matured out of that
no bullshit juggling attitude. Stop arguing, jugglers are supposed to all
be friends, right?!?!?

[Rhidders]

Well done Jason!! Or should I say well done to all the younger jugglers in
the world??

I think a bit of both!

Well done to all those young juggling people who have pushed their limits
to new levels (and possibly even surpassing the skill levels of current
senior/adult competitiors when they started WJF competitions. Due to their
hunger to better themselves and increasing their skill levels, I say this
WJF 7.5 for Juniors is Jasons way of recognising and rewarding their hard
work and talent.

If I was able to get to Seattle from the UK in January, then I would love
to be a part of it and to watch all of the talent on show.

Best of luck to all the 15 and under competitors for January!!

Rhydian

[Boppo]

Have you ever wrestled with the idea that the International Juggler's
Association makes essentially the same implied claim about
jurisdiction that the World Juggling Federation does? If so, does
that make you a (reluctant) member of the World Wrestling
Federation?

-boppo, not necessarily president of the Milky Way Spiral Arm #3, Plus
The Small Magellanic Cloud, (And Yes We Are Trying To Come Up With A
Better Name Except That Certain Beings In The Vicinity Of 47 Tuc Just
Can't Seem To Bring Themselves To Get Along) Juggling Federation

[david]

With all due respect, while both entities judge earthly jugglers in
competitions, the names differently imply an association or a federation.

The WWF is more like a product, it is owned by World Wrestling
Entertainment, Inc. One can't easily join the WWF. One might be able to
become an employee, depending on their talents. Perhaps the Globe Theater
Company is a redder herring.

david

[pjgpv]

So what's the mission statement of the
MWPA3PTSMC(AYWATTCUWABNETCBITVO47TJCSTBTTGA)JF and what rule system do you
adhere to?

[thegoheads]

Mobius wrote:
> My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
> a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
> feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it. As you say,
> Many Don't, so maybe Jason should respect the wishes of others and retitle
> his organisation as Jason's school of Sport Jugling or something similar.
>
> With respect,
>
> Adam
>

This has come up before... It's just a name!! Whatever you think the name
implies is your own interpretation of it.

What if it was renamed to "The United States Juggling Federation"? Should
people in Hawaii and Alaska be pissed off and want it renamed to "The
United States Mainland Juggling Federation"? Then those angry jugglers in
Montana might demand it be changed to "The United States Mainland
Excluding Montana Juggling Federation"? And since they had an event in
the UK, should it be "The United States Mainland Excluding Montana But
Sometimes Including The UK Juggling Federation"? Would that be better?

The fact is that jugglers from all over the world attend WJF events, and
one of Jason's goals is to promote juggling worldwide, so the name makes
enough sense the way it is.

-Steve, beating a dead horse while pissing into the wind...

[lutkus]

Mobius wrote:
> I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on the
> 'front' line of reality

What exactly is the "'front' line of reality"?

[pumpkineater23]

thegoheads wrote:

> This has come up before... It's just a name!! Whatever you think the name
> implies is your own interpretation of it.
>

My interpretation of it is that the original aim was to unify the worlds
jugglers, and perhaps I could go a step further and say 'Unify the worlds
jugglers while turning it into something that Jason thinks is best?'. As
that never happened though I can't help but feel it's been left with a
slightly embarrassing name.

I realize there are some great sides to the WJF and it's doing some really
positive stuff. It's just different people looking at it in different
ways. I suppose I would rather find out for myself if it's world juggling
federation material without the hype and the big up name.. but that's just
me.


pete

[thegoheads]

pumpkineater23 wrote:
>
> thegoheads wrote:
>
> > This has come up before... It's just a name!! Whatever you think the name
> > implies is your own interpretation of it.
> >
>
>
>

> My interpretation of it is that the original aim was to [...] 'Unify the

> worlds jugglers while turning it into something that Jason thinks is best?'

Actually, that isn't too far from my interpretation of it, based on my own
opinions and experiences at WJF events. I totally understand why people
think that.

My only point here is that "World Juggling Federation" is simply a name
and may imply anything within the imagination of any individuals
interpreting it. Biased opinions of Jason and "sport juggling" play a
large role in the many interpretations of the name. I just don't
understand why people feel the need to pick apart the literal definitions
of "world" and "federation" and try to somehow connect it to Jason's views
and opinions... And I don't understand people's gripe's about "IJA isn't
international enough and/or WJF isn't worldly enough" ... Or perhaps the
point of my post was just to poke at Mobius... he started it :P :D

-Steve, pissing at hurricanes....

[Mike Moore]

pumpkineater23 wrote:
>
> thegoheads wrote:
>
> > This has come up before... It's just a name!! Whatever you think the name
> > implies is your own interpretation of it.
> >
>
>
>
> My interpretation of it is that the original aim was to unify the worlds
> jugglers, and perhaps I could go a step further and say 'Unify the worlds
> jugglers while turning it into something that Jason thinks is best?'.

> pete
>
>

If "what Jason thinks is best" was better defined at the beginning of the
WJF lifetime, I think we'd find that it's changed quite a bit since then.
From how the WJF has changed over the years (less serious, introduction of
3b juggling, alternative props when there's enough interest, bringing in a
RING ISOLATION special guest) I'd say that it's evolving to better serve
its target market.

And while that target market is certainly not all jugglers, it's tough to
think of a convention/juggling group that does. "Too much of a focus on
[certain prop], too many hippies, too far away" etc etc

Mike

[pumpkineater23]

Mike Moore wrote:
>
> pumpkineater23 wrote:
> >
> > thegoheads wrote:
> >
> > > This has come up before... It's just a name!! Whatever you think the
name
> > > implies is your own interpretation of it.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > My interpretation of it is that the original aim was to unify the worlds
> > jugglers, and perhaps I could go a step further and say 'Unify the worlds
> > jugglers while turning it into something that Jason thinks is best?'.
> > pete
> >
> >
>
> If "what Jason thinks is best" was better defined at the beginning of the
> WJF lifetime, I think we'd find that it's changed quite a bit since then.
> From how the WJF has changed over the years (less serious, introduction of
> 3b juggling, alternative props when there's enough interest, bringing in a
> RING ISOLATION special guest) I'd say that it's evolving to better serve
> its target market.
>

Agreed. I did notice that. More open-minded and laid back than before.

> And while that target market is certainly not all jugglers, it's tough to
> think of a convention/juggling group that does. "Too much of a focus on
> [certain prop], too many hippies, too far away" etc etc

Yes, but that's a good thing I think. I quite like the way there are lots
of separate shenanigans going on. I don't really like the idea of World
Federation to be honest, but maybe that could change. Hey what do you have
against the poor old hippies!! Smelly? :o)



pete

[Emman]

lutkus wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on the
> > 'front' line of reality
>
> What exactly is the "'front' line of reality"?
>

McDonald's.

[David Cherepov]

>
> Thanks for your opinion, I wonder if it reflects everyones?
>
> My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
> a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
> feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it. As you say,
> Many Don't, so maybe Jason should respect the wishes of others and retitle
> his organisation as Jason's school of Sport Jugling or something similar.
>
> With respect,
>
> Adam
>

That's silly to say that WJF implies all jugglers. The NBA does not imply
all basketball players, the IJA also doesn't imply all jugglers. Also your
post belied a total ignorance of what the WJF is. It's not a heavily
opinionated sect of jugglers devoted to glorifying Jason, it's for people
who want to do juggling as a sport, but DEFINITELY not intolerant of
performers in the least seeing as almost all these jugglers do perform,
Jason included. And a vast majority of these jugglers also dabble with or
do other miscellaneous props seriously. What Jason wants is a higher
standard of TECHNICAL SKILL and ORIGINALITY in juggling. That is extremely
commendable, and it has fulfilled this goal to some extent. Of course, he
does do this for a living, so he makes a profit off of it, as far as I
know, but he does NOT have some kind of personal agenda. And tell me, in
what way has the WJF hurt juggling? (But do some research before you say
things that are dead wrong, like you did now)

[Boppo]

I hadn't noticed the combination-of-sovereigns aspect of the WJF, not
including Jason, so I had imagined the name to be used more informally
than your correction implies. Which might indeed be my error.

One could easily object to my post as having been one-sided, but then
again this would only have amplified its main purpose, namely, to
serve as a sort of twisted Mobius trip.

-boppo

[Boppo]

Naturally, the most important mission at the present time is to get a
better name, which isn't usually the case with mission statements, but
then again most mission statements don't have be inclusive of a
certain group of beings who shall remain nameless but happen to
inhabit the vicinity of 47 Tuc. (It's a long story.) But then right
after that, the mission statement continues on to promote excellence,
innovation, and creativity in juggling and related arts, in this the
third spiral arm and the SMC, as you might expect. To which end, the
said unnamed beings are fully along with, I might add.

The rules are much as you might expect, except for the usual and fully
expectable issues regarding comparison of records when local g changes
as a result of planetary motion in double- and triple-planet
situations, clarifying how "high" a throw is when it's thrown
horizontally but in an orbital trajectory (and so taking a relatively
long time to return compared to upward throws which actually go to a
greater altitude), the usual questions of simultaneity in relativistic
inter-system competitions, and of course whether it's "fair" to cause
a star to exhibit a nova during a combat session so as to gain
advantage. (No, but don't tell that to the Ophiuchuans, who repeatedly
get suspensions for exactly that.)

Then there are the more arcane issues like recognizing manipulation of
internal organs, embryos and fluids in difficult ways, but which
require certain imaging techniques to reveal; clarifying whether poi
is actually juggling when it's a rather conspicuous part of one's
external anatomy (and, which sorts of audiences should be allowed to
view such performances), and of course basic safety issues like
banning tritium from being brought anywhere *near* slightly sub-
stellar gas giant planets, notwithstanding some pretty amazing things
that certain beings can do with a few quintrigintillion tons of the
stuff, which however I regret to say that I am not at liberty to
disclose to this audience. (Except that it's really awesome. (Stay
tuned; release should be approved in just a few million more years.))
But we sure wouldn't want said planets to start fusing just because
someone was clumsy, now would we, Xorbox?

It might be of special interest to beings here that the setting-up of
planetary systems is an art in itself, but points will be deducted for
planets with excess axial tilt, (such as Uranus, which was worth a .3
point penalty), but might be added or subtracted for planets going in
opposite orbital directions, depending on the artistic merit and
difficulty of the routine as submitted beforehand. Rings, however,
are recognized as difficult to make look clean, to say nothing of
their propensity to cause injury, and with respect to a certain
performance about 5 billion years ago, Saturn earned .25 points back
in a special award. The asteroid belt was, unfortunately a messy
drop, resulting in a total score of just 8.3/10 for the whole system.
Putting moons around almost every planet did enormous benefit to the
total score, which would have been just 7.8 without them. (It was
recognized that, despite the drop resulting in the asteroid belt, at
least one asteroid ended up with its own moon, a good thing.)

The largest open issue right now is whether juggling is properly
considered an art, a sport, a zyterbion, a holistithon or a vivobog,
and which of the five the Federation should recognize foremost, if in
fact any should. Needless to say, there are well-considered and
indeed highly persuasive arguments for each. Debate continues at this
time, although it has been made clear that causing supernovas in
opposing systems as a result of this dispute, whether to sway the
undecided or simply to eliminate opponents WILL NOT be tolerated. (So
don't even think about it! You know who you are!!)

-boppo

[Franco187]

SO TRUE! I approve this comment and I agree with every parts of it.

MWPA3PTSMC(AYWATTCUWABNETCBITVO47TJCSTBTTGA)JF for the win!

[Gravitas]

lutkus wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on the
> > 'front' line of reality
>
> What exactly is the "'front' line of reality"?
>

"You can't stop reality from being real!" --Flavor Flav

[Mobius]

I'm glad to see this has opened a thriving debate.

Roll on reality...

Me

[Mobius]

I nearly deigned not to respond to this...but finally English reality got
the better of me...what the f**k do you think 7-8 years of hard work are
compared to hundreds (more than likely/definitely a serious underestimate)
of years in terms of global struggles? I don't think many people have any
idea of the arena Jason has leaped into through his attempt in creating
the WJF.

Wake up to the global war we live in,

Jaosn's a fool to himself to even attempt the reality he's tying to create.

Adam

[Franco187]

Mobius wrote:
> what the f**k do you think 7-8 years of hard work are
> compared to hundreds (more than likely/definitely a serious underestimate)
> of years in terms of global struggles? I don't think many people have any
> idea of the arena Jason has leaped into through his attempt in creating
> the WJF.
>
> Wake up to the global war we live in,

Yes Adam, you are quite an impressive freedom fighter :-D

[lutkus]

Mobius wrote:
> I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on
> the 'front' line of reality

Mobius wrote:
> Jaosn's a fool to himself to even attempt the reality
> he's tying to create.

Mobius wrote:
> Roll on reality...

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Mobius]

Franco187 wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > what the f**k do you think 7-8 years of hard work are
> > compared to hundreds (more than likely/definitely a serious underestimate)
> > of years in terms of global struggles? I don't think many people have any
> > idea of the arena Jason has leaped into through his attempt in creating
> > the WJF.
> >
> > Wake up to the global war we live in,
>
>
>
> Yes Adam, you are quite an impressive freedom fighter :-D
>

No, I've just got/am learning great respect for english grandparents that
lost lives/partners in WWII, and refuse to be dominated by Arrogant
Americans like Jason.

:-(

Disappointed in you Franco...

[Mobius]

lutkus wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on
> > the 'front' line of reality
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > Jaosn's a fool to himself to even attempt the reality
> > he's tying to create.
>
> Mobius wrote:
> > Roll on reality...
>
> You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
>

I've actually studied in rather more detail than you could imagine...do
you know what it means?

[Mobius]

Emman wrote:
>
> lutkus wrote:
> >
> > Mobius wrote:
> > > I believe he has no empathy for jugglers working on the
> > > 'front' line of reality
> >
> > What exactly is the "'front' line of reality"?
> >
>
> McDonald's.
>

Having read a few more of these posts, i've found this to be the most
accurate...albeit sadly...

[Mobius]

Ok, the Name...World - the world, need I say more? Juggling is a widely
diverse skill and to capture it under one roof is fine, but what's wrong
with the already existing IJA etc?

Next...Federation - 'an organisation within which smaller divisions have
some degree of internal autonomy'...do the IJA, Cirque du Soleil, BJC etc
etc all report to Jason? I cetainly don't!

I don't believe it's a problem unless Jason is holding these definitions
literally...but what I don't think he's doing is respecting the diversity
of the talent and the lack of respect it demonstrates to the juggling
communities in the rest of the world.

My recent posts have highlighted the sensitive emotive issues involved in
this subject, and as such, I don't think it's wise for any (one person) to
claim 'control' over an 'art' like this, especially given existing
organisations (IJA etc) that alreay exist.

So, why the WJF? Is it for Sport juggling? If so, why not name it as such?
Is it more...as the 'New Juggling Era' post implied? Blurred boundaries at
the very least. The name implies absolute authority and (as my ealier post
posts should have demonstatrated) I'm a stickler for semantics (as a
couple of other posters also seem to be (I won't name names)).

In short, what is Jason offering beyond the IJA to use a name that appears
to imply absolute control?

Words are very important to me, what's the point in speaking if they're
not!

With Respect,

Adam

[Franco187]

There are plenty of things you can do if you wish to participate in some
meaningful and worthwhile local or "global struggles", but complaining
over and over on the Internet about the name or a relatively small
juggling organization is not one of them. Neither is denouncing a
"domination" that clearly doesn't exist outside your own mind.

[Jay Linn]

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:37:55 -0000, Mobius
<ad...@cole83.fsnet.co.uk.nospam.com> wrote:

<snip>

> Ok, the Name...World - the world, need I say more? Juggling is a widely
> diverse skill and to capture it under one roof is fine, but what's wrong
> with the already existing IJA etc?
>
> Next...Federation - 'an organisation within which smaller divisions have
> some degree of internal autonomy'...do the IJA, Cirque du Soleil, BJC etc
> etc all report to Jason? I cetainly don't!

Mobius, no one but you takes the name literally. I myself have ridiculed
the name in the past, for being wildly hubristic, but I'm certainly not
silly enough to suppose that it's a credible attempt at global domination.
Jason Garfield may be guilty of all sorts of ego-related offences, but he
definitely isn't Lex Luthor. It's just a name that happens to be a bit
cocky, like World Series Baseball or Mr. Universe. You are of course
welcome to take the name literally, and you will be daft if you do so.

It covers the world of Las Vegas with a federation of one. Who cares?
It's just a name with a bit of swagger, perhaps intended to catch the eye
of ESPN execs, nothing more.

> I don't believe it's a problem unless Jason is holding these definitions
> literally...but what I don't think he's doing is respecting the diversity
> of the talent and the lack of respect it demonstrates to the juggling
> communities in the rest of the world.

Everyone is entitled to assess the level of respect extended to them.
No-one has an enforcible mandate to extend respect. Get over yourself.

> My recent posts have highlighted the sensitive emotive issues involved in
> this subject, and as such, I don't think it's wise for any (one person)
> to
> claim 'control' over an 'art' like this, especially given existing
> organisations (IJA etc) that alreay exist.

No one is claiming control, not even implicitly. No-one has a monopoly on
setting up a juggling organisation, anyone can do it, there are no rules
about how and why a person might do it. There is no juggling police force
to refer the matter to, nor any need for one.

> So, why the WJF? Is it for Sport juggling? If so, why not name it as
> such?

Because it's called the WJF, perhaps as a tip of the hat to the equally
brash WWF. It turns out that people who set things up get to choose the
name.

Are you an object possessing one surface and one edge? Then why call
yourself Mobius? Because it's just a name you chose.

> Is it more...as the 'New Juggling Era' post implied? Blurred boundaries
> at
> the very least. The name implies absolute authority and (as my ealier
> post
> posts should have demonstatrated) I'm a stickler for semantics (as a
> couple of other posters also seem to be (I won't name names)).

You are confusing semantics with pedantry. I too have quite an eye for
semantics[1], but I never forget that semantics are the servant of
language and not the master.

> In short, what is Jason offering beyond the IJA to use a name that
> appears to imply absolute control?

No, you are inferring it where none is actually implied.

> Words are very important to me, what's the point in speaking if they're
> not!

At last we can agree wholeheartedly on something.


[1] http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/thread.php?group=1&id=107569&highlight=semantics%2CJay+Linn,
specifically
http://www.jugglingdb.com/news/rightpane.php?id=107569&highlight=semantics,Jay%20Linn&group=1
if the first URL doesn't pick the right message.

--
Jay Linn

http://www.reddit.com/r/juggling - like rec.juggling but slower and with
extra porn and graphical smilies. What's not to like?

[thatguy]

Mobius wrote:
>
> Franco187 wrote:
> >
> > Mobius wrote:
> > >

> > > Jason,
> > >
> > > You are NOT the god of juggling, and the delusion you're trying to force
> > > on us real life jugglers (OK, it might just be me) is something I don't
> > > wish to be a part of.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Well yes, it might just be you.
> >
> > Yeah I'm sure Jason plans to spend all his time at the Seattle Juggling
> > Festival just forcing everyone to be like him and physically destroying as
> > many unicycles and yoyos as he can.
> >
> > Seriously Adam, just relax. The WJF is there. Many enjoy it. Many don't.
> > That's it. Nobody is forced to be a part of it.
> >
> > And while of course you can reply to this comment (free speech and all
> > that) and try to start yet another debate on this topic, I would
> > appreciate it if you didn't.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>

> Thanks for your opinion, I wonder if it reflects everyones?
>
> My concern is the name... WJF...World Juggling Federation...I refuse to be
> a part of it. As the the title implies that it includes all jugglers, I
> feel the need to express my desire not to be a part of it. As you say,
> Many Don't, so maybe Jason should respect the wishes of others and retitle
> his organisation as Jason's school of Sport Jugling or something similar.
>
> With respect,
>
> Adam
>

I totally agree with you. I have not replaced the United States
government with the WJF as the set of laws that I follow like some other
"jugglers" that I know.
Those people are insane and I won't have any part of it.

[Jon Peat]

> Mobius wrote:
> > Roll on reality...
>
> You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
>

The Princess Bride.

;-)

[Rhidders]

Jon Peat wrote:
>
> > Mobius wrote:
> > > Roll on reality...
> >
> > You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
> >
>
> The Princess Bride.
>
> ;-)
>

I actually burst out loud laughing in the staff room when I read this!
Nice one!

:P

[lutkus]

I find it highly presumptuous of you to claim to know how much of
something I can imagine.

My advice to all jugglers is to take everything Adam says with a serious
pinch of salt. I believe he has no empathy for jugglers living in reality,
and I have no interest in the elevation of his ego.

[Rhidders]

Jay Linn wrote:
>
> Jason Garfield may be guilty of all sorts of ego-related offences, but he
> definitely isn't Lex Luthor. It's just a name that happens to be a bit
> cocky, like World Series Baseball or Mr. Universe. You are of course
> welcome to take the name literally, and you will be daft if you do so.
>

I really like the superman reference!!

If Mobius has a thing for taking literally, God help us all if he finds
out that someone has formed The Intergalatic Juggling Empire!!

Rhydian

[Reeses2150]

Franco187 wrote:
>
> Mobius wrote:
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > You are NOT the god of juggling, and the delusion you're trying to force
> > on us real life jugglers (OK, it might just be me) is something I don't
> > wish to be a part of.
> >
>
>
> Well yes, it might just be you.
>
> Yeah I'm sure Jason plans to spend all his time at the Seattle Juggling
> Festival just forcing everyone to be like him and physically destroying as
> many unicycles and yoyos as he can.
>
> Seriously Adam, just relax. The WJF is there. Many enjoy it. Many don't.
> That's it. Nobody is forced to be a part of it.
>
> And while of course you can reply to this comment (free speech and all
> that) and try to start yet another debate on this topic, I would
> appreciate it if you didn't.
>
> Cheers
>

I couldn't agree morre! Peronally I am a bit disappointed with how over
the past two or three conventions it's started becoming the World Jason
Federation as I've jokingly named it, and I have some SERIOUS criticisms
about the formats/rules/divisions of the competitions, but nobody is
forced to be a part of it and unless someone other than Jason takes over
as President, he can run it however he damn well pleases.

[Mike Moore]

Or perhaps, Juggling Universe?

Mike

[Boppo]

On Dec 15, 7:52 am, mmoor...@uoguelph.ca.nospam.com (Mike Moore)
wrote:

> ----== posted viawww.jugglingdb.com==----- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Multiverse. Because one is none.

-boppo

[Rhidders]

hahahaha. so true people! The multiverse juggling federation....that
sounds far more vast than just "world" :P Space-time travel, please hurry
up!!!

Rhydian

[Little Paul]

On 2011-12-14, Jay Linn <ad...@in.my.heade.rs> wrote:
>
> Are you an object possessing one surface and one edge? Then why call
> yourself Mobius? Because it's just a name you chose.

To be fair to Adam, he does appear to be rather one-sided

and a little twisted.

-Paul
--
http://paulseward.com

[Robin]

Jon Peat wrote:
>
> > Mobius wrote:
> > > Roll on reality...
> >
> > You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
> >
>
> The Princess Bride.
>
> ;-)
>

Genius.

[Michael Falkov]

ZING~!

Righteous.