WJF Virtual Juggler Game?
Andy S
game for sale. I was just wondering why in the world the WJF decided to
go against the image it's been making for a year and have a fake Jason
slide around the screen and juggle chickens. Does anyone know anything
about this? Are the real clips of Jason it mentioned insanely amazing or
is the WJF embarrassing itself?
It mentioned at the software company's site that some proceeds go to
charity. I understand and support that, but I'm still a little confused
as to how that has a spot next to the convention video with the amazing 5
minute trailer.
Thanks for input/discussion.
-Andy
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Greg Phillips
> I understand and support that, but I'm still a little confused
> as to how that has a spot next to the convention video with the amazing 5
> minute trailer.
Would you be less confused if you knew that Wonderdog Software is owned by
someone named David Garfield? Or that Jason has a brother by that name?
Greg
haffnium72
wow, yeah i had a hard time figuring it out, too. but now it all makes
sense the maker of the software going for $14.99, is the chum that got
bested by jason in 2 weeks (we all know the story i can't remember right
now the exact number.) if you didn't ask it andy i would have. it has no
place on the wjf website if there is any respect for the "sport" of
juggling. its discrepencies like this and ben jennings and penn not
liking assymetric flat/double 4 club patterns which make me dislike the
wjf. while at the same time talking about how great other harder than i
can do tricks are amazing. one of the many reasons i dislike the whole
idea of a jason run competition. if he wants juggling to be a sport
honestly reconize what is hard. and why should he promote a game that is
called 3d when it is clearly 2d and if the props in it are referencing
"hack" jugglers. one more reason to be annoyed with the almighty jason
"sport" juggling.
Tarmo
"sport" juggling appeared in the competition as a clown, and - most
unfortunately - drew some young talented jugglers into the act with him.
In any proper sport a competition like last year's wjf would never be
considered worth anything... Wait a minute, it was not! Maybe juggling has
potential to be a sport after all.
Hope that next year they (or he, as Jason seems to pretty much dictate
everything) promote good sportmanship instead of stupid aggressive acting,
and scrap the commentators. I am not a fan of sports, but this competition
is still an interesting attempt and since it will fill up half of the
newsgroup anyway, they could even try to make it a good one.
Tarmo
Adam
haffnium72 wrote:
> it has no
> place on the wjf website if there is any respect for the "sport" of
> juggling. its discrepencies like this and ben jennings and penn not
> liking assymetric flat/double 4 club patterns which make me dislike
the
> wjf.
I disagree, as in my opinion you hold juggling's first attempt at a
sporting event to a higher standard than any other sports organization,
even those that have been established for many years. Do you think it
makes sense to have a basketball player endorsing a big mac, or a beer
company sponsoring baseball? At least playing the video game, as dumb
as it is, is not directly counterproductive to progress in the sport it
endorses. Do you think there is any sport where an athlete can listen
to the announcers for the whole game and at the end say "Yea, he was
spot on with my ideas about what I saw everytime!" In my experience
this never happens.
Adam
mini mansell
why oh why does jason not rename it all Jasons juggling company and be
done with it.
competitions.
juggling equipment for sale
computer game
where is the world and federation bit of all this..
its been almost 5 months since the competition in Vegas, and a 3.5 years
since the wjf was formed
can someone remind us all what the wjf has actually done for juggling
worldwide.
convince me of this. and i will shut up.
"Tarmo" <tarmo...@hut.fi.nospam> wrote in message
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Sam Spencer
> Andy S wrote:
>
>>I understand and support that, but I'm still a little confused
>>as to how that has a spot next to the convention video with the amazing 5
>>minute trailer.
>
>
> Would you be less confused if you knew that Wonderdog Software is owned by
> someone named David Garfield? Or that Jason has a brother by that name?
I knew it. I just knew it.
Sam
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haffnium72
> haffnium72 wrote:
> > it has no
> > place on the wjf website if there is any respect for the "sport" of
> > juggling. its discrepencies like this and ben jennings and penn not
> > liking assymetric flat/double 4 club patterns which make me dislike
> the
> > wjf.
>
> I disagree, as in my opinion you hold juggling's first attempt at a
> sporting event to a higher standard than any other sports organization,
> even those that have been established for many years. Do you think it
> makes sense to have a basketball player endorsing a big mac, or a beer
> company sponsoring baseball? At least playing the video game, as dumb
> as it is, is not directly counterproductive to progress in the sport it
> endorses.
I guess this is true. I never thought of it that way but it is probably
fine to have no endorsements, when it comes to that quality of a product.
> Do you think there is any sport where an athlete can listen
> to the announcers for the whole game and at the end say "Yea, he was
> spot on with my ideas about what I saw everytime!" In my experience
> this never happens.
Ultimately I'm not complaining about jason in that part of my rant. i'm
just remarking on how poor penn and ben were at being nonpartisan to the
whole competition because they talked more about jason then the person
competiting most of the time. or if they weren't talking about him they
were talking about something that jason doesn't do like the flat/double 4
club as something that isn't worth anything basically because its not
either pretty or jason doesn't do it.
Adam
haffnium72 wrote:
> Ultimately I'm not complaining about jason in that part of my rant.
i'm
> just remarking on how poor penn and ben were at being nonpartisan to
the
> whole competition because they talked more about jason then the
person
> competiting most of the time. or if they weren't talking about him
they
> were talking about something that jason doesn't do like the
flat/double 4
> club as something that isn't worth anything basically because its not
> either pretty or jason doesn't do it.
I can understand that. It was much better live than on TV for multiple
reasons.
Adam
Jason Quinn
> its been almost 5 months since the competition in Vegas, and a 3.5 years
> since the wjf was formed
> can someone remind us all what the wjf has actually done for juggling
> worldwide.
I've had a handful of random strangers come up and comment about Vova
and Olga because of the WJF. You know how many non-jugglers discussed
famous jugglers with me before the WJF? None.
Jason Quinn
Adam
mini mansell wrote:
> everytime i comment on teh WJF i get shot down. but i still comment
8-)
>
I'm glad you are not discouraged :-) Perhaps you could learn a lesson
from Luke Burrage. Be on the side of the WJF, even make an automated
point calculator, and THEN talk about what a failure it was. Being
"turned" as if it was unavoidable gives you lots more authority when
you shoot something down rather than being negative the whole time.
Just an observation not to be taken too seriously.
Adam
Tarmo
the resulting pages are of companies no one here has ever heard about.
This caught my eye among the first results: "The world leader in walking
trips for people 50 and better."
What does this have to do with the wjf? Well, advertising (or selling
things) is not a crime, and people who are not used to find their way
through false facts will learn quickly. The wjf has not done anything
worse than what we see every day everywhere.
Unless you can point out what horrible things the wjf has done besides
giving out some false or inaccurate information, being aggressive is not
very good tactic since it tends to cause defensive reactions. I see your
point of view so I hope this does not seem like shooting you down again.
mini mansell wrote:
> everytime i comment on teh WJF i get shot down. but i still comment 8-)
>
> why oh why does jason not rename it all Jasons juggling company and be
> done with it.
>
> competitions.
> juggling equipment for sale
> computer game
>
> where is the world and federation bit of all this..
>
> its been almost 5 months since the competition in Vegas, and a 3.5 years
> since the wjf was formed
> can someone remind us all what the wjf has actually done for juggling
> worldwide.
>
> convince me of this. and i will shut up.
parapsycho
"A purchase helps kids charities!", When denouncing the product.
Its on the wonderdog page, just not on the WJF page.
http://www.wonderdogsoftware.com/WonderDog/juggler3d.htm
Also from the wonderdog page:
"Our efforts have helped give aid to women and children who need help
and protection from domestic violence!! From having new locks installed to
finding safer homes for kids, and furthering worthwhile and much needed
children's counseling programs!"
(http://www.wonderdogsoftware.com/WonderDog/mission.htm)
*gasp* How dare they!!!!!!
I think that Jason should mention the charity donation on the WJF page. It
would make the whole thing look alot better than just "hey look at this
neat game!". It would be nice to also know exactly how much of my $15
would be going towards the charities. I'll gladly buy a piece of juggling
entertainment if it's for a good cause (and making fun of Jason, of
course). :)
Steve Bennett
page. It
>would make the whole thing look alot better than just "hey look at
this
>neat game!". It would be nice to also know exactly how much of my $15
>would be going towards the charities. I'll gladly buy a piece of
juggling
>entertainment if it's for a good cause (and making fun of Jason, of
To be completely negative about this, I think it's quite unethical to
make statements like "a purchase helps kids' charities" without
spelling out the exact financial commitment. For all we know, the
company occasionally makes ad-hoc donations...or perhaps the
advertising on the site is the complete extent of their "support".
They list a number of different groups (mostly with a "protecting
children from violent video games" bent to them). Give your $15
directly to World Vision or something instead...
But anyway, has anyone tried it? :)
Steve
Stephen Bent
> I've had a handful of random strangers come up and comment about Vova
> and Olga because of the WJF. You know how many non-jugglers discussed
> famous jugglers with me before the WJF? None.
Yeah, I`m totally with you on there. I was skeptical about the claim that
the WJ would make juggling any more widely known, but I`ve had at least
five or six friends mention that they say juggling on TV and ask me more
intelligent questions about it than ever before.
More on topic, this juggling video game looks like crap, as does the site
selling it.
-Stephen
juggl...@gmail.com
commitment" on their website. They tell you a lot on how much money
comes in, but nothing about how much goes out..
Alan Morgan
Yes they do. Even if it didn't appear on their website (and it does. I
found it in a couple of minutes) you can write to them and ask. Or, you
can check out www.give.org, which collects this sort of information for
a bunch of charitable causes.
Alan
--
Defendit numerus
Steve Bennett
For-profit companies that make claims implying that some proportion of
their revenue goes directly to charities need to be more precise and up
front about any philanthropic claims.
IMHO.
Steve
juggl...@gmail.com
actually go to whom you are collecting it for. I'm not saying United
Way does this, but it is all that is required by Federal law.
90% can be used for "overhead".
Most companies that donate money from sales just say "a portion of the
proceeds go to X charity". Rarely do they say a specific amount.
DavidGarfield
I have patiently waited to observe all the both positive and negative
posts before putting my own comment, and this will be my one and only
comment. Not to sound stand-off-ish, it's just that I won't be getting
into a round-about conversation with a newsgroup, and I intend to say what
needs to be said in just one post.
First off, it took my almost a year to produce this program completely by
myself, and its soul purpose originally, was so that I could juggle inside
when I couldn't find a low ceiling or it might be raining. Then some
friends mentioned to add this and that etc and etc, and next thing I knew
some folks said I should sell it since they knew how hard I'd worked on it.
I know the game seems pretty dumb (even the myself, the author, agrees on
this basically valid point), but the full 100+ level version has had
reviews (can't find it now, but it was someone from Russia who also felt
it worthy to pirate the entire 1.0 version of the CD) stating how silly it
seemed at first, but how it grows on you for funny, addictive and
challenging reasons. Both the video intermissions between each level-up,
and to see what the heck I put in there next seemed to have this guy
playing it for some hours. AND HE THOUGHT HE HATED IT. Also after
finally getting Jason to play it (he has Mac, so we had to use our dad’s
PC) mind you this is several years later, he continued playing it into the
wee hours each night (no exaggeration) and I remembered how it was so much
darn fun to play and at the same time think about how dumb but fun it
really is
Secondly, as it has been mentioned elsewhere in this message stream, yes,
we do the 10% contribution gig. We have been supporting
www.natonalcasa.org, www.kidspeace.org, and www.protect.org by
contributing 10% of our profits to these charities, the rest is used to
promote the mission statement of WDS which includes hosting, bandwidth,
non-violent game development, advertising and promotional materials which
we keep to a minimum, as well as promote each of these charities
individually in all of our campaigns. We have done quite well having
kids come back (approx 500,000 hits per day) and their clicks promote the
charities mentioned above as well quite nicely.
Jason, yes, happens to be my brother so excuse me for enjoying juggling
as much as the next 'non-juggler' since I’m pretty darn rusty, but a
tribute to a worthy juggler and creating a public image to promote
juggling is why this game has been around and still selling copies for
over 3 years.
If I sound jaded, upset, or negative, you are adding vocalization to my
writing that isn't there because I'm not. I'm actually happy anyone said
anything at all good or bad about my funny harmless game.
In closing, YES, SURE, GIVE THE WHOLE 15.00 BUCKS directly to any of the
above charities OR ANY CHARITY THAT HELPS KIDS, and I've done a bit more
to help that one kid who might have otherwise not gotten the help.
"I am only one, but I am one.
And because I cannot do everything,
I will not refuse to do the something that I can do.
What I can do, I should do.
And what I should do, I will do." ~Everett Hale
Eccles
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I'd like to say that I agree with everything David says. Thank you for
taking the time to write this and air your views, and your motives for
making this game. I think that should put any oubt well and truly to bed.
David has obviously put a lot of work into making this game. Who cares if
it isn't as good as the latest X-Box game, or if "all" of the money should
go to charity. The fact that any money at all is going to charity should be
heavily praised. I think if none of the profits had gone to charity then no
one would have had anything to say on the matter.
Thanks again David.
JS
p.s. are you the same brother who started juggling before Jason, and whom
Jason decided to get better than, and did it in two weeks or something? (
that's taken from my hazy memory of his timeline )
Andy S
actually involved in discussion. I apologize if I came off as bitter in
the first post, I was mostly just curious, but from what you said, it's
all fine.
So, thanks for the explanation. I own one of your brother's videos and
watch it constantly, so I meant no disrespect at all - the WJF is great in
my opinion.
-Andy
Steve Bennett
Thanks very much for posting and clarifying the charitable
contributions of your sales. I'd be interested in trying out the game,
but the part of the website that says "click here to download" or
something doesn't do anything. Is there a link where we can download
it?
Steve
erik_jernqvist
I used my amazing Google skills (I typed "Virtual juggler 3d" and clicked
the first link) to find this page:
http://www.soft32.com/download_7358.html
erik_jernqvist
> I used my amazing Google skills (I typed "Virtual juggler 3d" and clicked
> the first link) to find this page:
>
> http://www.soft32.com/download_7358.html
I even played it, though I wouldn't recommend it.
DavidGarfield
> I'd like to say that I agree with everything David says. Thank you for
> taking the time to write this and air your views, and your motives for
> making this game. I think that should put any oubt well and truly to bed.
>
> David has obviously put a lot of work into making this game. Who cares if
> it isn't as good as the latest X-Box game, or if "all" of the money should
> go to charity. The fact that any money at all is going to charity should be
> heavily praised. I think if none of the profits had gone to charity then no
> one would have had anything to say on the matter.
>
> Thanks again David.
>
> JS
>
> p.s. are you the same brother who started juggling before Jason, and whom
> Jason decided to get better than, and did it in two weeks or something? (
> that's taken from my hazy memory of his timeline )
re: the demo link
I know I said I wasn't gonna write anything else, however, seeing as it
was pointed out to me that the link for the download was broken, it has
now been repaired. Thanks goes to all parties therein. I must impress
upon you that the demo does not do the full game justice in the least.
As far as who I am, yes, I'm Jason's brother, and we where passing 7
clubs, doing back to back juggling etc, as 'The Garfield Brothers' when he
started getting better than me with many many many hours of daily
practice. When he started doing 5 club back-crosses, I knew I'd never
achieve such an incredible and graceful style of the art as he was
progressing in very quickly.(I believe he was around 13 or 14 when he did
that.)
So was it 2 weeks? Well maybe he just thought it was insignificant since
the man, er boy, was doing solo performances impressing all with his sheer
skill the following year. Regardless, it was an honor performing with
and launching him into his pre-destined path of making us all feel very
un-coordinated.
With that, I close with a final note to all, to please tell as many people
as you can about 'WonderdogSoftware.Com' the ESRP Game rating system, and
how we've found a way for "Kids to help Kids!" Every click and visit
helps!!
The VJ3D juggling game demo can now again be found by visiting our site:
http://www.wonderdogsoftware.com
Thanks.