[video] Juggletween - NOW AVAILABLE!
Little Paul
distributed video production. The project was launched on
9th June 2004 via an announcement here on rec.juggling
The idea was to get groups of people from around the world (We
managed France, USA and the UK I think), all working together to
produce a juggling video... but without any of them knowing what
any of the others were doing, or even who was involved!
Thanks to Luke Burrage, Trash (Sylvestre Dewa), Michael and
Samuel Karas, JAG, Takako Hayes, Mamphy, Laz, Brian Clark,
Jason Paul and of course myself it is now finished and ready
for download! (And if you ask me, it's really rather good!)
It's available in wmv, mpeg1 and DivX formats, from at least
3 mirror sites (So hopefully you should be able to find a
copy that works on your computer, and is available from a
location that's fast enough to get it... :-)
It's even got an *all new* website (Sorry for the slightly lame
design, but the site was written in about an hour last night
on a computer that decided to keep turning its monitor off...
I'm specifically sorry that it looks gash in Netscape 4 - but
then, if you're still using Netscape 4, you really should try
installing firefox ;-)
http://www.lpbk.net/juggletween/
All comments are gratefully received ...
If anyone wishes to mirror juggletween (I'm specifically looking
for fast hosts in the US or Japan), please email me at the
address shown on the website.
If anyone wants to link to juggletween, please do so, but
link to the page, not the files as their locations are likely
to change over time.
Thanks for watching, Lets make Juggletween II even better!
-Paul
Dave Barnes
> http://www.lpbk.net/juggletween/
>
> All comments are gratefully received ...
Fantastic stuff. I'm impressed that it's come together so well. Looking
forward to the next one.
Dave
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Pieter Jenniskens
> Little Paul wrote:
>
>> http://www.lpbk.net/juggletween/
>>
>> All comments are gratefully received ...
>
> Fantastic stuff. I'm impressed that it's come together so well. Looking
> forward to the next one.
>
> Dave
What Dave said!
Pieter
Colin E.
[snip]
> All comments are gratefully received ...
Wow! An excellent video. When do you start on Juggletween II?
Juggling movies on the internet really have moved to a higher level. Five
years ago they contained some quite technical juggling but they were
always presented in a very dry manner. These days people seem to care just
as much about the presentation and style as well as the content. And on
that note, this is one of the best.
Colin E.
Marden117
I agrre with Colin. The presentation was the best i've seen to date!!
Great work and great backing track as well (i'm a drum and bass head).
However, I would've liked it to have been longer or contained more
juggling when you consider how many people were in the video. Michael
Karas was on for 40 seconds with only two tricks shown. Don't get me wrong
the juggling was great, I especially loved the 3 diabolo stuff but maybe
Juggletween II could include more?
Peter Bone
It's great. The freecache thing worked very well too - I downloaded the
26MB mpeg in about 20 seconds!
Peter
Dave Barnes
> I agrre with Colin. The presentation was the best i've seen to date!!
> Great work and great backing track as well (i'm a drum and bass head).
> However, I would've liked it to have been longer or contained more
> juggling when you consider how many people were in the video. Michael
> Karas was on for 40 seconds with only two tricks shown. Don't get me wrong
> the juggling was great, I especially loved the 3 diabolo stuff but maybe
> Juggletween II could include more?
Well I guess that's down to the contributors and what they wanted to do.
I really enjoyed how it wasn't only a juggling video - it's more
interesting and entertaining how people have played with it. I was
pleased to see that happening from such an early stage.
I imagine a lot of people will now want to get involved, and there'll be a
variety of different types of sections. Which is a good thing.
Dave
Little Paul
> Wow! An excellent video. When do you start on Juggletween II?
Probably sometime soon... watch this space :-)
I've learnt a few lessons from doing this one, about what will make
it easier, and more fun, for the next one. I'll write up the ideas,
and form a plan and then post it sometime over the next couple of
weeks.
> Juggling movies on the internet really have moved to a higher level. Five
> years ago they contained some quite technical juggling but they were
> always presented in a very dry manner.
I know... that has always grated on me a bit though ;-)
> These days people seem to care just
> as much about the presentation and style as well as the content. And on
> that note, this is one of the best.
Thanks! I'm glad you (and everyone else who has said kind things
so far) like it :-)
Thanks once again to everyone who took part! You guys deserve the
lions share of the credit for making such a good job of it!
-Paul
Little Paul
> I agrre with Colin. The presentation was the best i've seen to date!!
> Great work and great backing track as well (i'm a drum and bass head).
Thanks! I'm glad you liked the music...
> However, I would've liked it to have been longer or contained more
> juggling when you consider how many people were in the video.
If you want the next one to contain more juggling, sign up for a
slot. The only people who decide how much juggling gets shown
are the people that take part. I just stitched their contributions
together... :-)
> Michael Karas was on for 40 seconds with only two tricks shown.
I know, that surprised me too! Personally though, I found it
quite a nice surprise... I liked the thought that had gone into
the narative of that clip :-)
> Don't get me wrong the juggling was great, I especially loved
> the 3 diabolo stuff but maybe Juggletween II could include more?
It contains what the community wants it to contain. If you want
it to contain more, you had best keep your eyes peeled for the
next one and join in! :-)
-Paul
Colin E.
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:09:58 +0000, Marden117 wrote:
> > I agrre with Colin. The presentation was the best i've seen to date!!
> > Great work and great backing track as well (i'm a drum and bass head).
>
> Thanks! I'm glad you liked the music...
>
>
> > Michael Karas was on for 40 seconds with only two tricks shown.
>
> I know, that surprised me too! Personally though, I found it
> quite a nice surprise... I liked the thought that had gone into
> the narative of that clip :-)
Narrative ... music ... I am going to have to watch it again with the
sounds on. Unfortunately I don't have headphones and don't expect that
everyone else in the office would want to here it!
On another note (he he), I didn't read any of LPs[1] earlier posts about
Juggletween so I had no idea what the project was about. Funnily enough I
didn't noticed that the transitions from one 45 sec. section to the next.
I didn't realise that it was 5 separate videos until I read LPs earlier
posts.
Colin E.
[1] I see LPs name by a post and expect a one liner ;-)
sean_
As above, (so below)
That has really brightened up my day, Thanks LP for putting in the time
and effort and thankyou all the contributers.
Seán
Terry Kimpling
>> All comments are gratefully received ...
>
> It's great. The freecache thing worked very well too - I downloaded
> the 26MB mpeg in about 20 seconds!
comment on it. The site looks real good, clean, clear to the point. The
only thing I do not like is the <img src="logo.gif" class="logo"
alt="Juggletween Logo" title="Juggletween Logo"/> is not sized, causing the
text to jump all over the place on a dial-up connection. The page is lean
enough that high speed connections will probably not even see it.
Otherwise very well done.
--
TK
www.wejuggle2.com
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[snip]
> Otherwise very well done.
Another thing that anyone on a dial-up appreciates is stating the file size.
I hate starting a download to find out that it is going to take over an hour
to get some video of unknown quality. Thanks to all the reviewers I think
this one will be worth the wait.
Charlie
>As many of you will know, Juggletween is an experiment in
>distributed video production. The project was launched on
>9th June 2004 via an announcement here on rec.juggling
That's *very* nice! Well done sir. Video camera & editing software at
the ready for next time....
Charlie
glaowski
Great stuff, now get on with the next one. (is this where people usually
put those smileys?).
Does anyone know of any other video techniques as fun as this that could
be tried out?
And if there is a next Juggletween, you do realise that everyone will want
to submit a video. I guess it would be too much work to let too many
people contribute.
Thanks to Little Paul and the contributors.
Matt
Little Paul
> I didn't realise that it was 5 separate videos until I read LPs earlier
> posts.
I think that means it worked then! :-)
> [1] I see LPs name by a post and expect a one liner ;-)
Well, this is 2 lines... is that better?
-Paul
Michael Karas
The part that I was really surprised by was that, without ever talking
to each other, 4 out of 6 jugglers had a forest background somewhere
within their clip. Shooting during the summer probably raised the chances
of this happening, but still!
I know I barely have to provide encouragement, but anyone who can, DO
JUGGLETWEEN 2! It's tons of fun, and it truly provides the cure for the
common video. I know I didn't juggle as much as some people expected, but
I think that's what I enjoyed most about Juggletween - trying to take a
beginning and end point and make up some sort of story in between - not
just showing off tricks like in my personal videos.
Ding Dong,
~Michael Karas
www.homeofpoi.com
n8rae
>
> Great stuff, now get on with the next one. (is this where people usually
> put those smileys?).
>
> Does anyone know of any other video techniques as fun as this that could
> be tried out?
>
> And if there is a next Juggletween, you do realise that everyone will want
> to submit a video. I guess it would be too much work to let too many
> people contribute.
>
> Thanks to Little Paul and the contributors.
>
> Matt
>
maybe 3 or 4 people could mastermind a juggletween(c) and we could have a
juggletween face-off!
or maybe not...
nathan
Stefan Paridaen
dear michael,
i loved your part of the video.
keep up the good work.
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jason_quinn
> Thanks to Luke Burrage, Trash (Sylvestre Dewa), Michael and
> Samuel Karas, JAG, Takako Hayes, Mamphy, Laz, Brian Clark,
> Jason Paul and of course myself it is now finished and ready
> for download! (And if you ask me, it's really rather good!)
What can I say? Great work to everyone involved. Every segment was
good. Can't wait for the next one.
Jason
Little Paul
> maybe 3 or 4 people could mastermind a juggletween(c) and we could have a
> juggletween face-off!
>
> or maybe not...
Well, one of the suggestions being thought about for JT2 was that
the whole tween be split into 4 x 60 second segments, and then
each of those segments is given to someone else who splits them
into 4 more 15 second segments and gives them out. That way,
not even I know what's going to happen!
It sounds like fun, but co-ordinating it could be a nightmare,
(I wouldn't want to know who was doing each 15 second bit, but
we also don't want the community knowing who's organising each
60 second bit...)
So I think we probably need to run another tween like this one
first to iron a few bugs out.
I'll announce the details early next week - but there are going
to be more slots available (So more people can join in), they're
going to be shorter (So it's easier to return the clips) , and
with (hopefully) more reliable transitions - and possibly a slight
twist...
-Paul
coleman
>
> [...]
loved the video but don't understand the end of your narrative bit - why
do you end up at the home of poi...?
and now i notice, why do you link to it in your sig as well?
do you like poi?
i've seen luke burrage do poi.
he's crap.
coleman.
lookingforwardtojuggletween2already
Colin E.
> > I didn't realise that it was 5 separate videos until I read LPs earlier
> > posts.
>
> I think that means it worked then! :-)
I brought some headphones along today - and it works even better with the
music on.
> > [1] I see LPs name by a post and expect a one liner ;-)
>
> Well, this is 2 lines... is that better?
Just for a laugh, I have created some statistics on the length of your
posts. The table below gives number of new lines in a messages, grouped in
fives, followed by total posts and an example.
5 541 Re: IJA / EJA
10 515 Re: CJ Ball size?
15 298 Re: Name this juggling product for me..
20 166 Re: looking for Bristol jugglers circa 93-96 please help!
25 132 Re: WIN US$225 of Poi equipment
30 52 Re: Choosing audience members (with children)
35 57 Re: Knives, Friend or Foe?
40 45 Re: Annoying spectator comment
45 37 Re: ChocFe(a)st 7
50 26 Re: Another dying trend...?
55 18 Re: balls of dirt
60 17 Re: why no women?
65 8 Re: WANTED: Neil Stammer -CHILD PREDATOR
70 7 Re: Hat juggling question
75 7 Re: Starting to Perform?
80 8 Re: make your computer secure, clean and fast 86436
85 3 Re: Ouch! Poi and Testicles :-(
90 4 SNR (was Re: Mundane props -> cooler skills (was: devilstick))
95 8 Re: Mind and Body--existence of juggling
100 3 Re: CHAINSAWS *vroom* *vroom* aaaaaaaagh!
105 1 Re: Struggling with 5 balls
120 2 Re: thoughts on david blaine (long!)
125 2 Re: Sprucing Up Clubs
145 1 Re: World Juggling Federation?
160 1 Re: Plea to cigar box jugglers of the world! - LONG!
200 1 Club design (was Re: Make beginner clubs - cheap!)
240 1 Re: Juggling Code.... (Long!)
I really should find something better to do with my time.
Colin E.
Little Paul
> Just for a laugh, I have created some statistics on the length of your
> posts. The table below gives number of new lines in a messages, grouped in
> fives, followed by total posts and an example.
>
> 5 541 Re: IJA / EJA
Pah, that's only just over a quarter of all my posts ;-)
> 25 132 Re: WIN US$225 of Poi equipment
Now there was a thread...
*drifts off into a flashback moment*
*remembers the outcome of it*
*suddenly stops enjoying the flashback and comes back to reality*
> 240 1 Re: Juggling Code.... (Long!)
And another! That was a jolly wheeze of a thread! :-)
> I really should find something better to do with my time.
Any chance you could work out my average post length for me?
I appear to be too lazy to do it from the figures you posted ;-)
-Paul
lutkus
Good stuff... I just had a thought on another method of compiling things.
Let's say you get 7 people interested in doing Juggletween2. They can
work in 2 shifts -- 4 people go first. These four think up their own
start and end point. Their videos will occupy positions 1,3,5 and 7.
Once you've got those 4 clips, take a snapshot of the start and end of
each, and give the appropriate ones to the second shift. (That is, the
person in slot #2 is given the ending frame of slot 1, and the starting
frame of slot 3.)
It will allow things to be generated slightly more randomly, and having a
photo available will help people try to match the color of props and
whatnot used. (I wouldn't require the next person exactly replicate the
photo, merely take elements they think should be kept, and let Paul edit
the transition.)
--
Jeff Lutkus
Colin E.
> I appear to be too lazy to do it from the figures you posted ;-)
How about the average post length of the rec.juggling's biggest
chatter-boxes?
The following list gives Author, number of posts and average post length:
Little Paul 1963 15.600611
Alan Morgan 1610 15.062733
Andrew John Conway 1332 27.770270
Scott Kurland 1153 11.688638
Michael Ferguson 896 26.933036
Adria M Moskowitz 764 6.289267
Jay Linn 762 19.685039
Greg Phillips 761 14.392904
Sweavo 718 10.679666
Andrew Conway 683 18.568082
Scott Seltzer 596 16.117450
Jason Kollum 560 19.762500
Rob Stone 554 22.438628
Brian D Milner 546 18.036697
JAG 532 21.937970
orbi 529 11.374291
Really interesting data. Honestly.
NOTE: calculating the numer of lines of text written in a particulkar post
isn't easy - I would expect an error of +/- 3 for these averages due to
differences in length of signature etc...
Paul, are there any other statistics that you require
lukas
> > Any chance you could work out my average post length for me?
> > I appear to be too lazy to do it from the figures you posted ;-)
>
> How about the average post length of the rec.juggling's biggest
> chatter-boxes?
>
> The following list gives Author, number of posts and average post length:
>
Yay. I'm not in there.
Beinn Muir
> Andrew Conway 683 18.568082
Interesting that when posting with his middle name intact the average post
length increases by 9 lines...!
> are there any other statistics that you require
>
How about the top 20 posters of 2004 so far?
And what have been the longest threads of this year? This should be an
interesting one - I believe that there will be a direct correlation between
the length of the thread and much it has nothing to do with juggling =)
How many times has a burrowing animal been mentioned?
=)
Cheers,
Beinn...
Little Paul
> How about the average post length of the rec.juggling's biggest
> chatter-boxes?
That'll do nicely!
> The following list gives Author, number of posts and average post length:
>
> Little Paul 1963 15.600611
> Alan Morgan 1610 15.062733
> Andrew John Conway 1332 27.770270
> Scott Kurland 1153 11.688638
> Michael Ferguson 896 26.933036
> Adria M Moskowitz 764 6.289267
> Jay Linn 762 19.685039
> Greg Phillips 761 14.392904
> Sweavo 718 10.679666
> Andrew Conway 683 18.568082
> Scott Seltzer 596 16.117450
> Jason Kollum 560 19.762500
> Rob Stone 554 22.438628
> Brian D Milner 546 18.036697
> JAG 532 21.937970
> orbi 529 11.374291
>
> Really interesting data. Honestly.
How does it compare to the average post-length on rec.juggling?
I'd like to know if my posts truly are shorter than normal! :-)
> NOTE: calculating the numer of lines of text written in a particulkar post
> isn't easy - I would expect an error of +/- 3 for these averages due to
> differences in length of signature etc...
*nod* fairysnuff :-)
> Paul, are there any other statistics that you require
I've always wondered how often (on average) I mention tea per post...
-Paul
bovrilboy
like the video a lot. its like a video version of a game that the
surrealists
used to play. ''''the exquiset corpse" if you aren't farmiliar with the
game it
was, or is, played by several people who write a sentence or a couple of
sensical words on paper and then fold said paper so that only the last
word is visible to the next person in line. the next player then writes a
sentence starting with the visible word as a guide. the game was called
"the exquisite corpse" because the first games' resulting word
combination was "the exquisite corpse will drink new wine."
a very satisfying and comical result will always ensue.
what i would really find exquisite wold be more of a co ordination of prop
colour and costume. maybe everyone using white props while in full blue
costume. or any combination of any colour you might find satisfying.
the result would be more continious but still be very visual. for instance
white props have very subtle differences in tone when manufactured by
various companies and as for blue (or whatever) costume, we all know
hom many shades/hues/combinations of colour exist.
just my thoughts.
bovril
still waiting for a camera to come my way........
bovrilboy
toddw
> As many of you will know, Juggletween is an experiment in
> distributed video production. The project was launched on
> 9th June 2004 via an announcement here on rec.juggling
>
> managed France, USA and the UK I think), all working together to
> produce a juggling video... but without any of them knowing what
> any of the others were doing, or even who was involved!
>
> Thanks to Luke Burrage, Trash (Sylvestre Dewa), Michael and
> Samuel Karas, JAG, Takako Hayes, Mamphy, Laz, Brian Clark,
> Jason Paul and of course myself it is now finished and ready
> for download! (And if you ask me, it's really rather good!)
>
> 3 mirror sites (So hopefully you should be able to find a
> copy that works on your computer, and is available from a
> location that's fast enough to get it... :-)
>
> It's even got an *all new* website (Sorry for the slightly lame
> design, but the site was written in about an hour last night
> on a computer that decided to keep turning its monitor off...
> I'm specifically sorry that it looks gash in Netscape 4 - but
> then, if you're still using Netscape 4, you really should try
> installing firefox ;-)> If anyone wishes to mirror juggletween (I'm specifically looking
> for fast hosts in the US or Japan), please email me at the
> address shown on the website.
>
> If anyone wants to link to juggletween, please do so, but
> link to the page, not the files as their locations are likely
> to change over time.
>
> Thanks for watching, Lets make Juggletween II even better!
>
This.
Simply.
ROCKS!
Outstanding Paul. Every sequence was outstanding. I downloaded the mpg,
watched that and then the massive AVI... nice quality difference.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the obvious fun and creativity all the
participants put into their segments. It took me a few seconds to realize
that Micheal had handed off his segment. It was so nicely paced. I was
duly impressed by all.
Awesome!
-Todd
JAG
preceded by a ">" in article <41175f93$0$58818$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>
dated 09 Aug 2004 11:27:20 GMT
>Michael Karas wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Ding Dong,
>> ~Michael Karas
>> www.homeofpoi.com
>>
>
>loved the video but don't understand the end of your narrative bit - why
>do you end up at the home of poi...?
Apparently I live there. Although, strangely enough, in that entire pile
of juggling paraphernalia there was not a single set of poi.
...JAG
coleman
>
> Apparently I live there. Although, strangely enough, in that entire pile
> of juggling paraphernalia there was not a single set of poi.
>
cheers jag - you really should get some poi; they're super fun, and you
don't have to try too hard to look great.
or of course you could just carry on playing with the juggling toys you
already own - you do have quite a few don't you!
i still don't get michael's reference - is this a running joke between you?
or am i being stupid - i could guess that little paul just told michael
his starting shot was 3 balls on the ground and his ending shot was him
knocking on the door of the home of poi?
but unless it is a running joke, that makes no sense either since the next
shot begins at your house and michael refers to home of poi outside the
video too...
*shrug*
coleman.
*who until now always thought he was alright at cryptic crosswords*
lukas
> JAG wrote:
> >
> > Apparently I live there. Although, strangely enough, in that entire pile
> > of juggling paraphernalia there was not a single set of poi.
> > ....JAG
> >
>
> cheers jag - you really should get some poi; they're super fun, and you
> don't have to try too hard to look great.
You need some new socks too.
coleman
>
> You need some new socks too.
>
hello,
just wanted to apologise for rudely outing you and telling everyone you're
crap at poi, even though we've never met.
very bad form i realised and i just wanted to say i'm usually far more
polite.
honestly though, i did see a video and you were quite crap.
every other video i've seen you in however you have been juggling.
i liked all those.
coleman.
Little Paul
> i still don't get michael's reference - is this a running joke
> between you?
Erm, how could it be? Neither JAG nor Michael knew the other one
was taking part, and neither one of them had any way of knowing
who was before or after them...
Such is the joy of a juggletween!
> or am i being stupid - i could guess that little paul just told michael
> his starting shot was 3 balls on the ground and his ending shot was him
> knocking on the door of the home of poi?
Michaels details were
start: Shot looking down on 3 balls lying at your feet
end: Ring someones doorbell
JAGs details were
start: Answer your front door
end: Throw a club out of shot to the right of frame.
Not that that helps you with the (somewhat inspired if you ask
me :-) Home of Poi reference.
> but unless it is a running joke, that makes no sense either
> since the next shot begins at your house and michael refers to
> home of poi outside the video too...
google for "home of poi" ... but then that probably won't help
you either.
-Paul
lukas
> lukas wrote:
> >
> > You need some new socks too.
> >
I meant JAG needs new socks. Watch the video to see what I'm getting at.
Little Paul
> I meant JAG needs new socks. Watch the video to see what I'm getting at.
Somehow I think coleman just needs to go and lie down in a
darkened room for a bit, just until he's worked it all out...
-Paul
coleman
>
> I meant JAG needs new socks. Watch the video to see what I'm getting at.
>
>
yep, got that - i only followed up on my comment directed towards yerself
because i didn't want to come off as another arrogant wanker posting on
rec.juggling
JAG could use those new socks to make poi you know...
now where's that dark room at paul?
coleman
*poi owner*
coleman
>
> Not that that helps you with the (somewhat inspired if you ask
> me :-) Home of Poi reference.
>
> > but unless it is a running joke, that makes no sense either
> > since the next shot begins at your house and michael refers to
> > home of poi outside the video too...
>
> google for "home of poi" ... but then that probably won't help
> you either.
>
you're right - google didn't help explain at all.
i still don't get the 'inspired reference' or understand why michael's sig
is www.homeofpoi.com ??
guess i'll just sit here in the dark until i can be bothered to ask
someone that's in on the joke to explain it to me.
or did i do that already...?
a bit more back on topic, i think the idea for matching props (at least
used for start and end points of adjacent clips) in juggletween2 is an
invaluable one.
and there should be at least one person doing 'can of baked bean contact
juggling'.
after all, juggling's not all about balls, clubs, rings and diabolo is it
paul? ;8)
coleman.
*still having problems running 4b mills and antispin weaves*
JAG
article <4118f69a$0$58818$bed6...@news.gradwell.net> dated 10 Aug 2004
16:23:54 GMT
>coleman wrote:
>> JAG wrote:
>> >
>> > Apparently I live there. Although, strangely enough, in that entire pile
>> > of juggling paraphernalia there was not a single set of poi.
>> > ....JAG
>> >
>>
>> cheers jag - you really should get some poi; they're super fun, and you
>> don't have to try too hard to look great.
>
>You need some new socks too.
You missed the joke:
http://evilurl.com/KNOBscrewSMUT
...JAG
.sig points out that he was also wearing a TMBG t-shirt.
Jon Kneller
<cole[dot]walker[at]ntlworld[dot]com.nospam (coleman)> wrote in message >
>
> *poi owner*
>
Unless im very much mistaken, the last time i saw you spin was at
Glastonbury :o)
Then again, I too have been bitten terribly by the juggling bug too
recently, right up to the point where i called my poi, juggling balls.
Oh hahaha.
The hilarity is unsurpassable.
:o]
Luke Holman
excuse the late reply, I've been out of the loop. That was DOPE. Shout
outs all round. I especially like Trash's video, that crazy frenchman. I
for one will be trying to get a camera to participate in future
juggletweens.
Luke
Guy G
> Hi Paul,
>
> excuse the late reply, I've been out of the loop. That was DOPE. Shout
> outs all round. I especially like Trash's video, that crazy frenchman. I
> for one will be trying to get a camera to participate in future
> juggletweens.
>
> Luke
Yeah, I've just got back from holiday, and downloaded it. It was
fantastic stuff. As was the realisation as I was downloading it that my
ISP has just doubled my connection speed. For free.
Guy