WJF Invites Gatto!!!!

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Stephen Brain

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Aug 15, 2005, 4:21:43 PM8/15/05
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Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/

They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty interesting...

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erik_jernqvist

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Aug 15, 2005, 4:32:48 PM8/15/05
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Stephen Brain wrote:
> Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>
> They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
> stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty interesting...

http://www.anthonygatto.com/wjf-invitation.html

Rory Parle

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Aug 15, 2005, 4:49:58 PM8/15/05
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erik_jernqvist wrote:
> Stephen Brain wrote:
>
>>Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>>
>>They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
>>stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty interesting...
>
> http://www.anthonygatto.com/wjf-invitation.html

Nothing says professional like a hotmail address.

--
Rory Parle
http://www.soylentred.net/

Brian Gadomski

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Aug 15, 2005, 5:24:15 PM8/15/05
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Stephen Brain wrote:
> Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>
> They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
> stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far.

Well, considering that IF Gatto went to the WJF
1: More people would respect the legitmacy of the orginization
2: More jugglers would be motivated to pay to see him compete in Vegas (I
know I'd pay big bucks to
watch Anthony and Vova duke it out in the club competition).
3: More people would watch the tv shows.
The WJF wouldn't really be sacrificing anything by dropping 500 bucks on
his convention expenses.
As if he'd ever take them up on the offer.

> Pretty interesting...
Yep, that's good style. Remember that one kids.
Step 1: Insinuate publicly that a dude's wife is a whore.
Step 2: Ask him to come to your competition.

>_<

Steven Ragatz

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Aug 15, 2005, 5:27:45 PM8/15/05
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http://www.stevenragatz.com/anthony.htm

Never to be outdone...

Steven Ragatz

Adam

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Mr. Ragatz, what can I say? You're awesome.

Adam

Naomi

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"Rory Parle" <rpa...@soylentred.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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> erik_jernqvist wrote:
>> Stephen Brain wrote:
>>
>>>Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>>>
>>>They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
>>>stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty interesting...
>>
>> http://www.anthonygatto.com/wjf-invitation.html
>
> Nothing says professional like a hotmail address.
>
Well, his website has a rather more professional proforma for making
business contact: see http://www.anthonygatto.com/main.html Not that I see
a hotmail address as a major problem for most people. Microsoft is a fairly
well respected company, and Hotmail certainly has worked fine for me over
the years. Not too many bells and whistles of course, but I don't need them.
It was however an odd, straw clutching way to suggest, if indeed that was
your intent, that hotmail usage implies a lack of professionalism from
Gatto.

But an interesting reply from A.G. He has no need at all to compete of
course, as the general opinion of all ( with the possible exception of
Garfield , who also probably confuses white with black at noon on a
midsummer's day ), is that Gatto reigns supreme as THE technical juggler,
which appears to be what the WJF is about defining. For Gatto to compete
would be a bit like a pro basketball player taking a game against
kindergarten kids seriously. Gatto has nothing to prove, but his addition
as the headline act in the WJF would add a lot to the event.
The WJF as an event is fine, but to even suggest it to be some form of
"world championship" , is never going to work. Garfield's approach to
organising the event, and the misuse of his ego, has been such that Gatto is
never, in my opinion, going to compete, and I don't blame him at all.
There would be ONE major advantage if Gatto should enter: it would at long
last give Garfield something that he would finally have to shut up about.
One of the all time best pokes in the eye with the proverbial sharp sticks.
Run it as an open juggling competition Jason, drop the "World" from the
title, and let the event sit at its own level. Don't over elevate its
importance.

Now, does anyone know where I can get one of those rather nice WTF ( yes WTF
! ) T-shirts that I have seen in the UK recently?

Nao

--
I read a book " Relativity Made Simple."
And simple it was, as long as you could follow easy mathematical concepts
such as:

A=B, B=C, therefore A=D.
.


Rory Parle

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Aug 15, 2005, 6:38:56 PM8/15/05
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Naomi wrote:
> "Rory Parle" <rpa...@soylentred.net.INVALID> wrote in message
> news:ee7Me.3899$R5....@news.indigo.ie...
>
>>erik_jernqvist wrote:
>>
>>>Stephen Brain wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>>>>
>>>>They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
>>>>stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty interesting...
>>>
>>>http://www.anthonygatto.com/wjf-invitation.html
>>
>>Nothing says professional like a hotmail address.
>>
>
> Well, his website has a rather more professional proforma for making
> business contact: see http://www.anthonygatto.com/main.html Not that I see
> a hotmail address as a major problem for most people. Microsoft is a fairly
> well respected company, and Hotmail certainly has worked fine for me over
> the years. Not too many bells and whistles of course, but I don't need them.
> It was however an odd, straw clutching way to suggest, if indeed that was
> your intent, that hotmail usage implies a lack of professionalism from
> Gatto.

Oh I know he's very professional, and his site is fine so long as you've
never heard of accessibility, but using a Hotmail address as an official
contact email address for a professional service is about equivalent to
asking people to address snail-mail to the newsagent below your flat. He
has his own domain, so book...@anthonygatto.com, or something similar,
should be under his control.

Nerd

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Aug 15, 2005, 6:49:05 PM8/15/05
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Naomi wrote:

> But an interesting reply from A.G. He has no need at all to compete of
> course, as the general opinion of all ( with the possible exception of
> Garfield , who also probably confuses white with black at noon on a
> midsummer's day ), is that Gatto reigns supreme as THE technical juggler,
> which appears to be what the WJF is about defining. For Gatto to compete
> would be a bit like a pro basketball player taking a game against
> kindergarten kids seriously. Gatto has nothing to prove, but his addition
> as the headline act in the WJF would add a lot to the event.

Agreed, and if you add the events lack of professionalism, it actually
makes him look silly. Gatto seems really professional about what he
does, and this event just don't have that edge. Anybody who remember
last years tv-show from this event? Dam I was disappointed about it.
Stage was looking crappy on tv, the juggling was strange (moving feet's
is REALY bad and such crap) and the comments was just way out of line.
In fact the whole production could have been something a few guys put
together a Monday morning with a rented and outworn cam recorder.

> to even suggest it to be some form of
> "world championship" , is never going to work.

Agreed again.

> Garfield's approach to
> organising the event, and the misuse of his ego, has been such that Gatto is
> never, in my opinion, going to compete, and I don't blame him at all.

Agreed, Jason is making him self look really silly indeed.


> Run it as an open juggling competition Jason, drop the "World" from the
> title, and let the event sit at its own level. Don't over elevate its
> importance.

Amen.

Ronnie Tarver

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Aug 15, 2005, 6:53:34 PM8/15/05
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yes but a pro basketball player has already played and mastered the
kindergarden game. Gatto has yet to even attempt the WJF game. until he
obliterates everyone at WJF, then he has nothing to prove. but wats the
point of having the competition in the first place if we all hold him to
be the best based off of videos on the internet? nothing on stage at
competition?

yes, he's the best, but for the sake of maintaining meaning of
competition, give him the seat of honor after he wins.

even garfield had to do that for IJA.

but his addition
> as the headline act in the WJF would add a lot to the event.
> The WJF as an event is fine, but to even suggest it to be some form of
> "world championship" , is never going to work. Garfield's approach to
> organising the event, and the misuse of his ego, has been such that Gatto is
> never, in my opinion, going to compete, and I don't blame him at all.
> There would be ONE major advantage if Gatto should enter: it would at long
> last give Garfield something that he would finally have to shut up about.
> One of the all time best pokes in the eye with the proverbial sharp sticks.
> Run it as an open juggling competition Jason, drop the "World" from the
> title, and let the event sit at its own level. Don't over elevate its
> importance.
>
> Now, does anyone know where I can get one of those rather nice WTF ( yes WTF
> ! ) T-shirts that I have seen in the UK recently?
>
> Nao
>
> --
> I read a book " Relativity Made Simple."
> And simple it was, as long as you could follow easy mathematical concepts
> such as:
>
> A=B, B=C, therefore A=D.

> ..

T

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Aug 15, 2005, 7:03:02 PM8/15/05
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> yes but a pro basketball player has already played and mastered the
> kindergarden game.

Not necessarily.

> Gatto has yet to even attempt the WJF game. until he
> obliterates everyone at WJF, then he has nothing to prove. but wats the
> point of having the competition in the first place if we all hold him to
> be the best based off of videos on the internet? nothing on stage at
> competition?

He's won IJA gold. He won a Golden Clown. He's competed plenty, in
competitions way bigger and more important than Garfield's extended joke.

Joyce Howard

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Aug 15, 2005, 11:26:49 PM8/15/05
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Anthony won a coveted PHIL trophy for "Most Spectacular" at the Atlanta
Groundhog Day Jugglers Festival in 1982. Jason doesn't have one of those!

Joyce

http://www.atlantajugglers.org/festhist.htm


Nerd

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Aug 15, 2005, 11:39:30 PM8/15/05
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We all know it, Gatto is the best juggler there is, and that ever has
walked the face of the planet. Jason knows this as well. Jason even
knows deep down in his hart that he wont ever get close to the skils
gatto has. The only thing Jason doesn't seem to realise, is the fact
that his "prove it in a competition" bitching isn't really funny at all.
It might be ment in a funny way, but it just make him look more and
more like a dork. And his "I can do 720's, and I can do back crosses"
just make me sad for him.

popstar_dave

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:03:23 AM8/16/05
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Brian Gadomski wrote:

> Well, considering that IF Gatto went to the WJF

> 3: More people would watch the tv shows.


Not sure if I'm with you on this. Jugglers are so excited to see juggling
on TV that they'll watch no matter who's competing. Non-jugglers have no
idea who Gatto is, and will be no more likely to watch than if he wasn't
competing.

My 2c,
Dave

millsroadtrip

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:11:20 AM8/16/05
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Anthony, take up Steve on the offer, The Morocan Resturant is awesome!
They use the most expensive spice in the world on many of their dishes!
Steve treated our whole family and gave us three stage light racks for a
going away present!

love you Steve! Thanks again for a great visit! We love the lights!!!!

steve Mills

JugglerPeter

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:22:53 AM8/16/05
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After last year's competition, despite all of the negatives (which for
those of you about to post a follow up and list them are many), I thought
it was a very good thing for juggling. TV exposure, and a sports oriented
competition that drew more world class jugglers than any other juggling
competition in recent memory (feel free to tell me that I'm wrong here,
this isn't the point of my post anyway). But the WWF attitude the WJF is
taking is getting ridiculous. Why the obsession with Gatto? Why not make
the most of the jugglers that will / did attend?

Most importantly, why not offer personal invitations to the other "best
jugglers in the world". Where is the invitiation to Albert Lucas who,
according to JISCON, has juggled more objects than anyone else in history?
Where is the invitation to Françoise Rochais, the best female juggler in
the world? What about the other world record holders? Bruce Sarafian
juggles more balls than Gatto, why isn't he invited?

I think that despite all the flaws the WJF could be a great organization
if they could only act like legitimate sporting organizations and stop
acting like the WWF. They should Stop obsessing over Gatto and try to get
talented jugglers who might actually show up (starting with my list
above). Then if the WJF proves (in several years time) that they are a
legitimate world class juggling competition the best jugglers will want to
come. If not they'd better sell as many videos as they can before the new
bankruptcy laws go into effect.

Peter

Gregory@Gballz

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:40:15 AM8/16/05
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Sorry, I couldn't resist! heh!
http://www.gballz.com/anthony_gato.htm

Gregory

shadow link

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Aug 16, 2005, 1:20:44 AM8/16/05
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What about Thomas, Toby and Peter, are they going to be there?

Roger Light

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Aug 16, 2005, 5:19:52 AM8/16/05
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Naomi wrote:

> Now, does anyone know where I can get one of those rather nice WTF ( yes WTF
> ! ) T-shirts that I have seen in the UK recently?

They are nice!

I think Little Paul was selling them at Crawley so you could try asking him.

Cheers,

Roger

Rory Parle

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Gregory@Gballz wrote:

> Steven Ragatz wrote:
>
>> Stephen Brain wrote:
>>
>>> Check it out: http://www.thewjf.com/
>>>
>>> They really want him to come I guess; it doesn't seem like a publicity
>>> stunt. If it was they wouldn't need to go this far. Pretty
>>> interesting...
>>

>> http://www.stevenragatz.com/anthony.htm
>>
>> Never to be outdone...
>

> Sorry, I couldn't resist! heh!
> http://www.gballz.com/anthony_gato.htm

Is that a bandwagon I see? I wonder where it's going?
<http://www.soylentred.net/archive/entries/373>

Brian Gadomski

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Aug 16, 2005, 8:48:18 AM8/16/05
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Perhaps you're right. I was thinking that Gatto competing in the WJF
would be big enough for even the diehard WJF haters to want to watch. Oh
well, its completly hypothetical anyway.

rpa...@gmail.com

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The jugglingdb seems to be linking that URL wrongly, so I'm getting a
lot of erroneous requests. Cut the closing angle-bracket off the end of
the URL to visit the right page. Maybe someone could look into fixing
the auto-linking code in jugglingdb?

Félix

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Aug 16, 2005, 9:28:27 AM8/16/05
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I just finished eating, yet you make me hungry with the enthusiastic
description of the Morocan food you enjoyed in Steven's town. It really
sounds to me like something one wouldn't wanna miss.

Yam!

Félix, who loves eating good stuff.

Jay Linn

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Aug 16, 2005, 10:26:06 AM8/16/05
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Rory Parle wrote:

> Is that a bandwagon I see? I wonder where it's going?

This is so unfair. Jason needs loving too, you know.

As a paid up member of the WTF(I have the shirt to prove it), I
officially invite Jason Garfield to Leicester, UK, to juggle, hang out,
play DDR at the local bowling alley, and to have lunch on me at Bobby's,
regarded as one of the finest vegetarian Indian restaurants on the planet.

There is, however, one caveat upon which I shall insist when Jason
takes up my generous and selfless offer - under no circumstances, and
upon pain of clown-themed death, must Jason attempt in any manner to
compose or recite anything as mincingly, buttock clenchingly naff as a
rap about Tony Cake.

--
Jay Linn

Plenty of space left on this here wagon - hop aboard!

Little Paul

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:05:56 PM8/16/05
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On 2005-08-16, Jay Linn <J...@jay-linn.co.uk> wrote:
> I officially invite Jason Garfield to Leicester, UK, to juggle, hang out,
> play DDR at the local bowling alley, and to have lunch on me at Bobby's,
> regarded as one of the finest vegetarian Indian restaurants on the planet.

Call that a night out?

I officially invite Jason Garfield, and Anthony Gatto to Bristol, UK, to
hang out at my local bowling alley, play DDR, drink alcopops, be sick in
the bushes and then have a fight in the carpark on the way back to my
mates bezzed up nova (it's got dead classy underlighting and blue washer
jets) after which we can doughnut round the carpark, get well lairy at
the birds in maccy d's drive through and then go pull some munters in
Ritzys.

Seems about their level afterall.

-Paul

scot_nery

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Aug 16, 2005, 12:15:28 PM8/16/05
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I would take up Steve on his offer too. No way of losing. Go for it,
Gatto. If you're man enough, go out to dinner. Otherwise, you're just
proving to the world that you don't eat human food.

G-Ballz

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Aug 16, 2005, 3:48:11 PM8/16/05
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Jason already got his free ballz.. : )

Gregory

Brian Campbell

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Aug 16, 2005, 7:25:29 PM8/16/05
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LP says:
> I officially invite Jason Garfield, and Anthony Gatto ...

I'll see your two excellent technical jugglers, and raise you *any
juggler at all*!

http://dartblogs.com/lambda/archives/003057.html

-- Brian, feeling like the bandwagon is getting crowded.

juggle...@hotmail.com

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What's a munter? Anything to do with Neddy's or Senga's? I believe
those were the terms I learned from folks at the Scottish Festival.
What a great night of drinking and cross-cultural communication that
was!!!

How do I get invited to Bristol?!? lol

Matt Hall

Brian Fahs

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Aug 16, 2005, 8:01:37 PM8/16/05
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I seem to remember that Anthony used to own a lawn care business. Perhaps
you can compare Steve Mills' mowing with Anthony's?

Brian


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Jared Davis

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Aug 16, 2005, 11:53:38 PM8/16/05
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> Where is the invitiation to Albert Lucas who,
> according to JISCON, has juggled more objects than anyone else in history?

I may be wrong, but I remember Albert Lucas being on the website of the
WJF last year. Anyone?

> Bruce Sarafian
> juggles more balls than Gatto, why isn't he invited?

He has flashed more balls than Gatto...not juggled.

David Cain

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Sarafian has demonstrated that he can qualify ten balls and do a flash
and a half of 11. Gatto has demonstrated neither.

David Cain

_daniel_

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Aug 17, 2005, 1:38:00 AM8/17/05
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Here is a link where Sarafian demonstrates it:

http://members.tripod.com/~tahms/Videos3.html

~Daniel

Jay Linn

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juggle...@hotmail.com wrote:
> What's a munter?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munter might help.

> Anything to do with Neddy's or Senga's?

http://www.chavscum.co.uk might mention Neddies somewhere, I suspect.

> I believe
> those were the terms I learned from folks at the Scottish Festival.
> What a great night of drinking and cross-cultural communication that
> was!!!
>
> How do I get invited to Bristol?!? lol

We'd love to invite you, but you're just not good enough I'm afraid.
You could always pretend to be better than you are, and hope nobody
notices, I suppose. Or wear bigger clown shoes, perhaps.

--
Jay Linn

One month to go ...

plumsie

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Aug 17, 2005, 9:01:02 AM8/17/05
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Jay Linn wrote:
> juggle...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > What's a munter?
>
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=munter might help.
>
> > Anything to do with Neddy's or Senga's?
>
> http://www.chavscum.co.uk might mention Neddies somewhere, I suspect.

or even better might be

http://www.glasgowsurvival.co.uk/


>
> > I believe
> > those were the terms I learned from folks at the Scottish Festival.
> > What a great night of drinking and cross-cultural communication that
> > was!!!
> >
> > How do I get invited to Bristol?!? lol
>
> We'd love to invite you, but you're just not good enough I'm afraid.
> You could always pretend to be better than you are, and hope nobody
> notices, I suppose. Or wear bigger clown shoes, perhaps.
>
> --
> Jay Linn
>
> One month to go ...

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Little Paul

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Aug 17, 2005, 9:56:46 AM8/17/05
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On 2005-08-16, juggle...@hotmail.com <juggle...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> How do I get invited to Bristol?!?

Sorry Matt, you're not enough of a low-brow meathead to get invited to
my local megabowl for a fight on the town. Try beefing up a bit and
working on the attitude. The ability to look as though your parents are
related might be advantagious.

However, you can come to the convention if you like, I'll hapilly invite
you to that (Obviously, you'll have to pay for flights and the
convention fee, but I think you'll find it money well spent :-)

See you in September then? I prommise that if you do turn up, I'll walk
up to the garrage with you and buy you a packet of jaffacakes.[1]

-Paul
[1] Terms and conditions apply, your house may be at risk if you do not
keep up payments on loans secured against it, or if you leave the gas
on.

xfirebladex

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Little Paul wrote:
> On 2005-08-16, juggle...@hotmail.com <juggle...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How do I get invited to Bristol?!?
>

Invitation definitely extended from myself. Be absolutely marvellous if
you felt like the short plane trip over. Bristol has it's own airport.
And you'd definitely be welcome. Bristol is one of the best conventions
in the UK I hear, so maybe you could put it on your to-do list...?

> See you in September then? I prommise that if you do turn up, I'll walk
> up to the garrage with you and buy you a packet of jaffacakes.[1]
>
> -Paul
> [1] Terms and conditions apply, your house may be at risk if you do not
> keep up payments on loans secured against it, or if you leave the gas
> on.

I will see your jaffacakes, and raise you "ONE MILLION DOLLARS!", or a
Maxibon ice cream, whichever is less.[2]

Chiok

www.gravityvomit.co.uk
[2] and now for the small print from Ocean Finance - if you take out a
loan for home improvements and still have enough left over for a holiday,
you've borrowed too much money! morons....

erik_jernqvist

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Aug 17, 2005, 2:18:16 PM8/17/05
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David Cain wrote:
> Sarafian has demonstrated that he can qualify ten balls and do a flash
> and a half of 11. Gatto has demonstrated neither.

Yes Gatto hasn't prooved that he have qualified 10 balls, but who in their
right mind are doubting it? Gatto has demontrated a 15 catches with 11. It
just is that it wasn't with saggy beanbags in some practice space, instead
with big hurty rings snatched front holsters infront of a big crowd, in
what I assume not many attempts.

juggle...@hotmail.com

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Aug 17, 2005, 2:50:35 PM8/17/05
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Okay, the links to Chavscum.com and glascowsurvival.com were
fantastic--just absolutely brilliant. I laughed my ass off.

As for Bristol, I'll see what I can do. I'd love to come--I'll see if
I can scrape together the cash (ahh being a public school teacher...).


And Jay, I swear, I'm good enough...take my word for it..... ;) lol

Thanks for the laugh, guys.

Matt Hall

Itsik Orr

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Aug 17, 2005, 5:23:47 PM8/17/05
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Well, I couldn't help myself either and right away made a reply.
However, after a couple of days went by and no reply was evident I started
suspecting that my newsfeed was displaying my messages to rec dot only to
my very private newsreader. So I registered to jugglingDB just to see if
my messages were visible there, and to my dismay I found out that none of
my messages of the past 6 months got through!?#$%#@%!
All this time I was thinking no one responded to my brilliant, witty and
informative messages simply because I was really a dull, dim-witted
poster. Now I found out the real reason and I must say I feel rather
dim-witted. Damn. Six months of posting down the drain... Anyway at least
now I have jugglingDB to post through every now and again when I have
something so ultra important such as this:
http://www.ijc.co.il/ragatz-invitation.htm

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Rory Parle

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Itsik Orr wrote:
> Well, I couldn't help myself either and right away made a reply.
> However, after a couple of days went by and no reply was evident I started
> suspecting that my newsfeed was displaying my messages to rec dot only to
> my very private newsreader. So I registered to jugglingDB just to see if
> my messages were visible there, and to my dismay I found out that none of
> my messages of the past 6 months got through!?#$%#@%!

Google Groups reckons your last post before this was in April. I'm
pretty sure my newsserver has been getting at least some of your posts
since then, but this is a new machine so I can't search more than the
last week's posts to find out.

At least you know that people haven't been ignoring you.

Adam

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Gatto has earned, many times over, the right to say anything he wants
about beanbags. I think the rest of us should respect the amazing
acomplishments that others have made with them, though. "Saggy
beanbags" do not fall neatly into 11 ball cascade patterns all by
themselves last time I checked.

:-)

Adam

Alon Erez

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Aug 18, 2005, 3:20:32 AM8/18/05
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I was wondering why you were so quiet here.

When I saw the link I was actually expecting to see an invitation for
Steven Ragatz for dinner, say maybe around April? And if he wants he can
stay for a few days and juggle...

Alon

T

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Aug 18, 2005, 8:55:10 AM8/18/05
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Itsik Orr wrote:


If your newsreader saves your sent messages you could post them all now. ;-)

Alan Morgan

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Aug 18, 2005, 2:30:46 PM8/18/05
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In article <43037f66$0$38044$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>,

erik_jernqvist <erik_je...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote:
>David Cain wrote:
>> Sarafian has demonstrated that he can qualify ten balls and do a flash
>> and a half of 11. Gatto has demonstrated neither.
>
>Yes Gatto hasn't prooved that he have qualified 10 balls, but who in their
>right mind are doubting it?

He has never claimed to have qualified 10 balls, so I certainly doubt that he
has.

>Gatto has demontrated a 15 catches with 11.

11 rings, not balls (or beanbags). I'm not exactly sure what your point was.

Alan
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Defendit numerus

BackyardJuggler

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Aug 18, 2005, 3:26:06 PM8/18/05
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Alan Morgan wrote:
>
> He has never claimed to have qualified 10 balls, so I certainly doubt that he
> has.
>


I think on one of his old websites, in the list of his records it said
that his best with 10 balls was 23 catches. I just checked, and couldn't
find that page on his new website.

Andy S

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Aug 18, 2005, 3:36:59 PM8/18/05
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BackyardJuggler wrote:
> Alan Morgan wrote:
> >
> > He has never claimed to have qualified 10 balls, so I certainly doubt that
he
> > has.
> >
>
>
> I think on one of his old websites, in the list of his records it said
> that his best with 10 balls was 23 catches. I just checked, and couldn't
> find that page on his new website.


I remember he mentioned on his forum that he could qualify 10 pinkies, but
he doesn't practice it any more *I think*.

-Andy S

strach

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Aug 18, 2005, 5:14:45 PM8/18/05
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> He has never claimed to have qualified 10 balls, so I certainly doubt that he
> has.
>

He has. Here

http://www.bogleg.com/records/lists.php?submit=Submit&tricka=42

T

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Aug 18, 2005, 5:30:44 PM8/18/05
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Alan Morgan wrote:


I'd assume his point was that if Gatto can get 15 catches with 11 rings he can
get > 19 catches with 10 balls.

I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with that point, mind you; I'm just
explaining it to you. ;-)

Little Paul

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Aug 18, 2005, 5:44:14 PM8/18/05
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On 2005-08-18, strach <kuba.str...@poczta.fm.nospam> wrote:
>
>> He has never claimed to have qualified 10 balls, so I certainly doubt that he
>> has.
>
> He has. Here
>
> http://www.bogleg.com/records/lists.php?submit=Submit&tricka=42

Isn't that "someone claiming on his behalf"?

Best I could do on archive.org was a copy of his site from 2002
where he claimed 19 catches with 10 balls.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020806114316/http://anthonygatto.com/menuhtml/1records.htm

Unfortunately, his website turned into a pile of inaccessibly flash
based mush shortly after and as such isn't archived.

And all the JIS numbers committe pages from around that time list the
record as 23 catches (which would mask any of AG's attempts at the time)
You'll note that Bruces legitimately verified 23 catches of 10 balls
doesn't appear on bogleg.

So no. I don't believe Anthony has claimed to have done it - at least
not on the internet in a place covered by archive.org - that said, if he
could do 19 catches 3 years ago, it's not implausable that he's
qualified it - but I still don't see proof that he claims he has done.

Someone saying "I'm sure he's done it" doesn't count.

-Paul

Alan Morgan

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Aug 18, 2005, 7:35:00 PM8/18/05
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In article <867Ne.194496$X76.1...@tornado.texas.rr.com>,

T <T...@nothingbut.net> wrote:
>Alan Morgan wrote:
>
>> In article <43037f66$0$38044$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>,
>> erik_jernqvist <erik_je...@yahoo.com.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>>Gatto has demontrated a 15 catches with 11.
>>
>> 11 rings, not balls (or beanbags). I'm not exactly sure what your point was.
>
>I'd assume his point was that if Gatto can get 15 catches with 11 rings he can
>get > 19 catches with 10 balls.
>
>I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with that point, mind you; I'm just
>explaining it to you. ;-)

Assuming that was the point, I disagree with it.

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

erik_jernqvist

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Aug 19, 2005, 1:29:19 PM8/19/05
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Alan Morgan wrote:
> >> 11 rings, not balls (or beanbags). I'm not exactly sure what your point
was.
> >
> >I'd assume his point was that if Gatto can get 15 catches with 11 rings he
can
> >get > 19 catches with 10 balls.
> >
> >I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with that point, mind you; I'm just
> >explaining it to you. ;-)
>
> Assuming that was the point, I disagree with it.

That was not my point. David wrote that Sarafian had caught some stuff on
video that Gatto haven't. My reply consisted of "Come on! Of course Gatto
has qualifed 10 balls!" and "11 of what? You didn't say that and he has
done 15 catches with 11 rings under harder and more stressfull conditions."

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