[Video] Michael Moschen at TED 2002
Karsten
this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
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ErikAberg
Miika
>
> Hi,
>
> this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
>
Thanks for that link. It was worth my 40 minutes.
-Miika
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Reuben
>
> Karsten wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
> >
>
> Thanks for that link. It was worth my 40 minutes.
>
> -Miika
I second that. I've heard people say great things about Michael Moschen,
so this was interesting to see. Lots of nice ideas. It's a pity he isn't
very involved in the juggling community though.
Thanks,
Reuben
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juggg
Thanks a lot for posting a link to this, I echo Mr Aberg.
Really inspirational video, if you are interesting in creating and
exploring space as a juggler you
should put aside a half hour to watch it. The way Moschen asks for a
couple more minutes at the end
so he can show everyone the 'new thing he's working on', don't mean to be
melodramatic but I think
every juggler can relate to that and be moved by it. He seems like he is
constantly in the state of
learning that you're in when you first begin juggling and there are so
many possibilities. The prospect
of learning all these cool things and trying new stuff out is exciting and
fun, when you play around at
and cool ideas come to you so often. I think a lot of people lose that
when they get a bit of skill and
start to learn from books, realising their tricks have already been 'done'
or whatever, then maybe it
become 'one more ball'. You get a sense in this video that Moschen has
never lost it and the more he
does the more ideas he gets. what a man. sweet link.
danj...@gmail.com
the same conference. I believe there is a 17 min clip of us on the Ted
page under the entertainment section.
We went out to dinner one night with Michael, and I was very impressed
at how engaging and friendly he was. He is a cool guy, and I look
forward to seeing what he will create with juggling in the future.
Dan
Greg Phillips
>
> My Partner and I (Raspyni Brothers) Had the pleasure of performing at
> the same conference. I believe there is a 17 min clip of us on the Ted
> page under the entertainment section.
Right here:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/223
Greg
Peter Bone
>
> Hi,
>
> this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
I thought it was awsome, although I wish there was a version with higher
frame rate so I could appreciate the juggling more.
Pete
yermej
wrote:
I don't know how much better it is, but near the lower right corner of
the video there's a link to a 'Hi-res Video (MP4)'. It seems to be for
download only; no streaming that one.
Ed Provencher
This video ought to make it on the valuable historical juggling video
list created in another thread.
Are there some juggling history buffs on here who can tell us what
sort of impact Michael Moschen has had on juggling and stuff like
that? Put him perspective, if you can.
Daniele Caselli
> I don't know how much better it is, but near the lower right corner of
> the video there's a link to a 'Hi-res Video (MP4)'. It seems to be for
> download only; no streaming that one.
Yes the direct link is
http://ted.streamguys.net/MichaelMoschen_2002_480.mp4
it's just me or sometimes the video stops for a while,
while the audio works always correctly?
Daniele Caselli
>
> So the What the Duck video gets 130 responses and this gets 3...
I hope it's just a matter of time!
It would be embarassing otherwise.
MonkeyJuggler
>
> juggg wrote:
> >
> > So the What the Duck video gets 130 responses and this gets 3...
>
> I hope it's just a matter of time!
>
> It would be embarassing otherwise.
>
Not really. The "What the Duck" video was specifically asking for some
sort of response and people responded.
This isn't asking for such a response.
'tis very good though.
Have fun.
Le_lemGo
>
> juggg wrote:
> >
> > So the What the Duck video gets 130 responses and this gets 3...
>
> I hope it's just a matter of time!
>
> It would be embarassing otherwise.
>
Or very flattering for Wes...
lemGo
Little Paul
> juggg wrote:
>>
>> So the What the Duck video gets 130 responses and this gets 3...
>
> I hope it's just a matter of time!
From my point of view it certainly is. What the Duck was 5 minutes
this video's up around 40 minutes.
I haven't gotten around to finding 40 minutes of spare time to give
this video the attention it deserves - it's not that I've got a short
attention span, it's that I've just got soooo much to sort out before
bungay! (In 7 days time, I shall be in the car, heading for the
buttercups! Yay!)
-Paul
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100jugglers.org - 100 pieces of signed juggling promotional material
ErikAberg
with a video being good or
not. Alot of really great things on the internet (relevant to juggling)
doesn´t even get mentioned here
in the first place.
Daniele Caselli
>
> I don´t see what kind of relevance the number of responses on rec. has
> with a video being good or not.
I suppose that if you don't reply here, you have not liked it
as much as it pushes you to let others know.
Greg Phillips
> Are there some juggling history buffs on here who can tell us what
> sort of impact Michael Moschen has had on juggling and stuff like
> that? Put him perspective, if you can.
There's a short bio on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moschen
Moschen's largest influence on juggling probably stems from his
development of contact juggling into
the kind of art it is today. People had been rolling balls on their bodies
for many, many years, but
Moschen was arguably the first to build an entire performance style around
it, and also the first to use
transparent acrylic balls. He invented many of the basic moves that are
now taken for granted in
contact juggling performance. (He's not the only inventor of contact
juggling: Tony Duncan and Viktor
Kee were also developing their particular contact juggling styles at about
the same time.) Moschen's
hands are responsible for the contact juggling that the Jared character
(David Bowie) appears to do in
the movie Labyrinth.
Moschen was probably the first North American juggler to be widely
recognized as a bona-fide artist
(including a MacArthur Genius Grant). This may (?) have helped juggling to
be seen as more
respectable than previously. His work was featured in a PBS "Great
Performances" show called "In
Motion with Michael Moschen", which unfortunately seems to be out of
print. The triangle video that
Moschen played at TED is taken from that show.
He also choreographed the famous "taco chip" routine that Steven Ragatz
and Patrick McGuire
performed in Cirque for six years or so. Unfortunately, to there doesn't
seem to be video of that act
available anywhere. Maybe Steve can add more.
Greg
yermej
wrote:
> His work was featured in a PBS "Great
> Performances" show called "In
> Motion with Michael Moschen", which unfortunately seems to be out of
> print. The triangle video that
> Moschen played at TED is taken from that show.
The video is definitely out of print. In a discussion here a couple
years ago, Ben Schoenberg mentioned that Moschen has given permission
for a DVD release, but WNET/PBS haven't made it happen. Maybe writing
PBS would help or we could just start an online petition to make
ourselves feel better. There is a contact form at
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/feedback/feedback.html
I've written a message to PBS inquiring about a DVD release. I own the
VHS version and have digitized it and burned it to DVD for my personal
use. Depending on what I hear from PBS and what type of response I get
here, I might be willing to send a few copies to people for the cost
of a blank DVD and postage.
For those willing to tolerate it, most of the video is on Youtube.
ErikAberg
>
> ErikAberg wrote:
> >
> > I don´t see what kind of relevance the number of responses on rec. has
> > with a video being good or not.
>
> I suppose that if you don't reply here, you have not liked it
> as much as it pushes you to let others know.
>
But you was simply refering to the number of post, not the number of
positive ones. Also, what if it´s
people without much experience of juggling that respond saying it´s good?
or simply people with bad
taste? defining wether a video is a good one or not is quite subjective I
guess, but I find it quite sad if
someone makes their opinion based on the views here.
Little Paul
> Moschen's hands are responsible for the contact juggling that the
> Jared character (David Bowie) appears to do in the movie Labyrinth.
Thereby spawning a the popular 1990s rec.juggling troll tactic of
asking how David Bowie did that wonderful stuff with the glass balls
in labyrinth.
Many an amusing thread was had.
> He also choreographed the famous "taco chip" routine that Steven Ragatz
> and Patrick McGuire performed in Cirque for six years or so. Unfortunately,
> to there doesn't seem to be video of that act available anywhere. Maybe
> Steve can add more.
There certainly was some video of it on the net at some point, as I've
seen it. From memory it was from a TV studio rather than an actual
performance.
Hmm, rummaging seems to suggest it used to live on Patricks website, but
the link is dead and archive.org hasn't archived the actual video:
http://www.patrickmcguire.net/GEOMETRIX/movies/cirque.mpg
Google isn't turning up much in the way of other copies of that video
though. I don't suppose anyone has it archived off anywhere? Steven?
Little Paul
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
>>
>> > I don´t see what kind of relevance the number of responses on rec. has
>> > with a video being good or not.
>>
>> I suppose that if you don't reply here, you have not liked it
>> as much as it pushes you to let others know.
>
> But you was simply refering to the number of post, not the number of
> positive ones.
Starting a long thread is easy. You just have to say or do something
controversial. To take WTD as an example, a lot of that thread were
people arguing about the issues raised in the video - not so much
comment about the video itself.
The video at the top of this thread may be uber cool (Not sure, I've
not watched it yet. Perhaps over the weekend) but I doubt it's
particularly controversial. Revolutionary? Perhaps. Inspirational?
quite possibly. But does it attempt to challenge the current state
of the rec.juggling comunity directly? Almost cetainly not.
> I find it quite sad if someone makes their opinion based on the views
> here.
I do that all the time. I use the replies in video threads to determine
wether it's worth watching a given video or not. I know whose opinions
I trust to praise videos that I would like, and I know whose opinions I
trust to praise videos that I wouldn't like - and tend not to bother with
those videos.
However, I add to those opinions my knowledge of the juggling world, and
there are some people whose videos I know I'll watch as the likelyhood
of enjoying them is quite high.
Although I do think it would be a shame if someone were to form their
opinion based on the *quantity* of views expressed rather than making
a judgement based on the *quality* of the reviews.
Anywho. This mug of tea isn't going to drink itself...
juggg
bicker. I just thought it was a shame
the thread was sinking, don't know what all the 'opinion based on quantity
of posts' stuff came from,
no one said anything remotely like that. We all agree the video is real
nice (and I think it is
controversial, in a good way, Little Paul), there's nothing to argue
about. maybe thats why peden's
video got a million responses. none of this matters. Erikaberg I really
like your juggling and I think I
can see in it why you enjoyed this video (thats a complement btw). Little
Paul I have never seen you
juggle.
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The Void
> > He also choreographed the famous "taco chip" routine that Steven Ragatz
> > and Patrick McGuire performed in Cirque for six years or so.
Unfortunately,
> > to there doesn't seem to be video of that act available anywhere. Maybe
> > Steve can add more.
>
> There certainly was some video of it on the net at some point, as I've
> seen it. From memory it was from a TV studio rather than an actual
> performance.
>
> Hmm, rummaging seems to suggest it used to live on Patricks website, but
> the link is dead and archive.org hasn't archived the actual video:
> http://www.patrickmcguire.net/GEOMETRIX/movies/cirque.mpg
>
> Google isn't turning up much in the way of other copies of that video
> though. I don't suppose anyone has it archived off anywhere? Steven?
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=70046f63dfd8b0153ece
The Void
...............
Making assumptions
ErikAberg
> > I find it quite sad if someone makes their opinion based on the views
> > here.
>
> I do that all the time. I use the replies in video threads to determine
> wether it's worth watching a given video or not. I know whose opinions
> I trust to praise videos that I would like, and I know whose opinions I
> trust to praise videos that I wouldn't like - and tend not to bother with
> those videos.
I see a quite clear difference in between:
1. Having an opinion about a video
and
2. deciding if its worth watching or not
but maybe that愀 the same thing for you.
Greg Phillips
> > > He also choreographed the famous "taco chip" routine that Steven Ragatz
> > > and Patrick McGuire performed in Cirque for six years or so.
> Unfortunately,
> > > to there doesn't seem to be video of that act available anywhere. Maybe
> > > Steve can add more.
>
Ah, nice to see that. I just wish it were the whole act, with the full
Cirque ambiance, rather than a
fragment in a TV studio.
I asked Steve once why the taco chip act didn't make the Quidam video. If
I recall correctly, the problem
was that the official Quidam video was shot just after the show moved to
Europe after six years of
touring North America. Both Steve and Pat had decided that it was time for
them to move on to other
things, so the taco chip routine wasn't there to be filmed. Pity.
Greg
Jay Gilligan
hey greg! pat just put the entire duet version from quidam online only
last week. its on his youtube
channel....
if you're ever in need of more nerd action, and are looking for soleil
videos, check out the forum at
www.cirquetribune.com
best,
j
Greg Phillips
> hey greg! pat just put the entire duet version from quidam online only
> last week. its on his youtube
> channel....
Well, if that isn't just the coolest piece of synchronicity ever!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-IZBDW0Tj6U
Daniele Caselli
>
> hey greg! pat just put the entire duet version from quidam online
> only last week. its on his youtube channel....
McGuire put also this amazing experiment:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HWBgfawku3E
Michael Karas
>
> Hi,
>
> this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
>
> --Karsten
>
Thanks so much for posting this. This is the only footage i've ever seen
of moschen besides the "in motion" video.
I think my favorite research here is the cylinders. it was so smooth at
first that I thought perhaps they were attached by some sort of swivel
system.
Also, the two sticks is out of this world. No one's doing anything like
that as far as I know.
As for the people who wish Michael were more involved in the juggling
world - to my knowledge and from what I heard, Michael doesn't actually
associate himself with jugglers much, right? He considers himself more of
a dancer or visual musician or creative artist, yeah?
He doesn't seem too pretentious either. Showing the audience his new
ideas was a very humble thing to do. As he said, he's not really sure
where his new ideas will lead him, but it's cool to see that he's still
coming up with new stuff.
~Michael
bill coad
>
> Karsten wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
> >
> > --Karsten
> >
>
> Thanks so much for posting this. This is the only footage i've ever seen
> of moschen besides the "in motion" video.
>
> I think my favorite research here is the cylinders. it was so smooth at
> first that I thought perhaps they were attached by some sort of swivel
> system.
>
> Also, the two sticks is out of this world. No one's doing anything like
> that as far as I know.
>
looking for more footage besides the "in motion", you should check out the
highlights video from that year.
Steven Ragatz
>
> Jay Gilligan wrote:
> > hey greg! pat just put the entire duet version from quidam online only
> > last week. its on his youtube
> > channel....
>
> Well, if that isn't just the coolest piece of synchronicity ever!
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-IZBDW0Tj6U
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Well, I've not seen THAT act in quite a while!
Since that YouTube performance, Pat and I have been with that show again,
though each going solo as one of the characters and doing solo juggling
routines without Michael's stuff. We've still got the big metal shapes on
tour, and I get mine out once in a while to roll the ball around. The
technique is still in my hands, but I no longer have the shoulder strength
to do all of the tricks in sequence. I currently use the same balls in my
current act though.
Michael is an interesting character. Very friendly, outspoken, and sort
of 'New York' if you know what I mean. His ideas are all loaded with
potential and is the only juggler that I've ever met that I felt earned
the title of 'artist' in the purest sense. We worked very closely for
three years with Mystere in Las Vegas before the act was moved to Quidam
in 1996. After the act was up and running in Quidam, Michael kinda
disappeared from us. Once we left the show (before they filmed it for the
DVD in Amsterdam), I didn't hear from Michael until 2002(?) when we each
did an episode of Cirque's Solstrom and Jean Besnard, one of the original
'Manipulation' act jugglers, had passed away. Even then, it was just a
single phone conversation.
It's too bad really, because we got along quite well. If the opportunity
arose, I'd probably work with him again.
Steven Ragatz
Steven Ragatz
>
> Jay Gilligan wrote:
> > hey greg! pat just put the entire duet version from quidam online only
> > last week. its on his youtube
> > channel....
>
> Well, if that isn't just the coolest piece of synchronicity ever!
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-IZBDW0Tj6U
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Well, I've not seen THAT act in quite a while!
Since that YouTube performance, Pat and I have been with that show again,
though each going solo as one of the characters and doing solo juggling
routines without Michael's stuff. We've still got the big metal shapes on
tour, and I get mine out once in a while to roll the ball around. The
technique is still in my hands, but I no longer have the shoulder strength
to do all of the tricks in sequence. I currently use the same balls in my
current act though.
Michael is an interesting character. Very friendly, outspoken, and sort
of 'New York' if you know what I mean. His ideas are all loaded with
potential and is the only juggler that I've ever met that I felt earned
the title of 'artist' in the purest sense. We worked very closely for
three years with Mystere in Las Vegas before the act was moved to Quidam
in 1996. After the act was up and running in Quidam, Michael kinda
disappeared from us. Once we left the show (before they filmed it for the
DVD in Amsterdam), I didn't hear from Michael until 2002(?) when we each
did an episode of Cirque's Solstrom and Jean Besnard, one of the original
'Manipulation' act jugglers, had passed away. Even then, it was just a
single phone conversation.
It's too bad really, because we got along quite well. If the opportunity
arose, I'd probably work with him again.
Steven Ragatz
--
popstar_dave
>
> Ed Provencher wrote:
> > Are there some juggling history buffs on here who can tell us what
> > sort of impact Michael Moschen has had on juggling and stuff like
> > that? Put him perspective, if you can.
>
> There's a short bio on Wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Moschen
What about that other friend of his, Michael Continent, and his famous
film?
Dave
Alan Thompson
>
> Hi,
>
> this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
>
> --Karsten
>
What a waste of time. Moschen is not a juggler. He is a performer/
illusionist and therefore he is boring...to me. However, I can see that
it would valuable to a performer/ dancer.
PeterIrish
>
> Karsten wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
> >
> > --Karsten
> >
>
> What a waste of time. Moschen is not a juggler. He is a performer/
> illusionist and therefore he is boring...to me. However, I can see that
> it would valuable to a performer/ dancer.
>
Thanks a lot for posting this amazing footage. Michael has always been an
inspiration to me. I've seen him live a few times and it was nice to see
him
in a different context, where he actually has to speak. Plus the cylanders
and the new stuff was interesting. I met Michael briefly and he was very
cool to me. Good video.
Greg Phillips
> What a waste of time. Moschen is not a juggler. He is a performer/
> illusionist and therefore he is boring...to me. However, I can see that
> it would valuable to a performer/ dancer.
Strange. I watched the whole video and I'm virtually certain I saw him
juggling in it... with skill and
panache no less. But I guess if you say he's not a juggler I'll have to
believe you.
Greg
catiecat
>
> Karsten wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
> >
> > --Karsten
> >
>
> What a waste of time. Moschen is not a juggler. He is a performer/
> illusionist and therefore he is boring...to me. However, I can see that
> it would valuable to a performer/ dancer.
>
I actually don't think he's that great of a dancer, I find a lot of his
movement to be a bit awkward. I mean it serves his style and what he's
trying to accomplish with his juggling, but I don't think the dance stands
on it's own (not that mine does...). I definitely think this video would
be far more valuable to a juggler than a dancer.
I also think that as a juggler you should listen to and watch as many
people as possible, even if their style doesn't appeal to you. For example
99% of what the Gandinis do doesn't do anything for me, however Sean and
Kati do one of the best juggling workshops in the world. They way they
think about juggling can be applied to any style of juggling and could be
extremely beneficial to anyone interested in any facet of juggling.
My point is: listen to everyone especially people who have been around
longer than you, you can almost always learn something. It's free to
listen to people, and rarely a complete waste of time.
Cate
aaron gregg
>
> Karsten wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > this is a nice video of Michael Moschen at the TED conference 2002.
> > http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/260
> >
> > --Karsten
> >
>
> What a waste of time. Moschen is not a juggler. He is a performer/
> illusionist and therefore he is boring...to me. However, I can see that
> it would valuable to a performer/ dancer.
You can call Moschen what you want but I'll call you a troll Alan.
I refuse to feed you so I'll just agree with the others and say it was a
great video.
-Aaron
aaron gregg
>
> My Partner and I (Raspyni Brothers) Had the pleasure of performing at
> the same conference. I believe there is a 17 min clip of us on the Ted
> page under the entertainment section.
>
> We went out to dinner one night with Michael, and I was very impressed
> at how engaging and friendly he was. He is a cool guy, and I look
> forward to seeing what he will create with juggling in the future.
>
> Dan
>
I was so choked that I missed you guys at Moisture Fest (I was in Europe
during the whole festival unfortunately). Getting to see the seven club
routine on video slightly makes up for it. Thanks so much for mentioning
that video Dan.
I will now refer to you guys as the Michael Moschens of comedy juggling.
Fabio Pinna
> McGuire put also this amazing experiment:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=HWBgfawku3E
Very nice footage. Really liked the character.
Is there any chance somebody knows the song's title?
Fabio.
yermej
> I've written a message to PBS inquiring about a DVD release [of Moschen's Great Performances
> episode].
I received a reply, non-committal as expected:
"Thank you for taking the time to write us regarding our programming.
Unfortunately, we have no information as to whether GREAT
PERFORMANCES:
DANCE IN AMERICA: IN MOTION WITH MICHAEL MOSCHEN will be made
available
on DVD in the future."
Juggle12
So true, I don't care how many times I see their stuff, it still makes me
laugh. Good comedy is like that, timeless.