Juggling With Fire
Eckenrode
Trying to initgrate fire-breathing with juggling torches.
I couldn't find a specific newsgroup on fire-breathing, but I've been on
this group for several years and there are always a few breathers floating
around. Because it is damn near impossible to find pure kerosene (paraffin)
because it is jet turbo fuel (go figure) I was just curious if good ole'
alcohol will put on just as of a show.
I've done some fire-breathing, but I really don't want to keep using the
current fuel because it is a carcenogen (i.e. my mouth is going to fall off
in 10 years).
Mark
luke burrage
>alcohol will put on just as of a show.
>
Don't do it. Apart from the fact that it doesn't put on a very good show, it
also makes you drunk. Drunk is the last thing you want to be when spitting fire
out of your lungs.
Lukas
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peter bendall
news:ouLw7.87011$6q.98...@typhoon.neo.rr.com:
> Hey all-
>
> Trying to initgrate fire-breathing with juggling torches.
>
I have a link page to fire-breathing ===
http://home.t-online.de/home/bendall/circus_index.html#fire
cheers all
SammyTheSnake
>Hey all-
[...]
>I've done some fire-breathing, but I really don't want to keep using the
>current fuel because it is a carcenogen (i.e. my mouth is going to fall off
>in 10 years).
in case you cared, just about anything organic and flamable enough to do
firebreathing is carcinogenic, including paraffin.
OTOH, some is quite a bit more carcinogenic than others (petrol, for
example, should you be suicidal / murderous / stupid enough to try it)
Cheers & God bless
SammyTheSnake (BTW, it's 'integrate' HTH)
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Eric Bagai
> >I've done some fire-breathing, but I really don't want to keep
using the
> >current fuel because it is a carcenogen (i.e. my mouth is going to
fall off
> >in 10 years).
SSnake sayeth:
> in case you cared, just about anything organic and flamable enough
to do
> firebreathing is carcinogenic, including paraffin.
Not quite. Outside the U.S. one can often find food-grade
kerosene/paraffin in pharmacies. It is used as a laxative. Pure kero
is not carcinogenic or otherwise toxic if ingested, though it can
dehydrate the skin and cause a rash, which is why some fire-workers
use lip balm (though never while performing). If kero is inhaled in
even small quantities (a teaspoon or so) it can cause mechanical
pneumonia and death by asphyxiation. For example, fire-poi swingers
who get rid of excess fuel by spinning unlit wicks create a vaporous
cloud of kerosene around themselves, which they inhale. If they do
this frequently enough, they get pneumonia.
Inside the U.S. the best you can find is kerosene jet fuel. All other
forms of kero in the U.S. contain naphtha and possibly benzene, no
matter what the label says. For example, Lamplighter's Ultrapure Lamp
Oil merely says that it is harmful or toxic, and if ingested one
should seek medical help. It lists no ingredients on the label because
it is not required to do so -- after all, it's not a food, it's a
fuel. But the size of the type that spells out "Ultrapure" seems to
make some think that the stuff must be pure kerosene and therefore
okay to use for fire-eating/breathing/spitting.
The reason for the silly warning labels that everyone laughs at is
that some people are stupid. But we knew that. That's the reason why
Bush got almost half the votes in the U.S.: by definition, half the
population has below average intelligence. Q.E.D.
SSnake:
> OTOH, some is quite a bit more carcinogenic than others (petrol, for
> example, should you be suicidal / murderous / stupid enough to try
it)
Absofuckinglutely, and yet, people will do it. We've got a whole
generation of kids who put multiple holes in their bodies, permanent
marks on their skins, mix n' match halucinogens in their heads, and
stuff aromatherapy scents into their lungs (which, along with the
over-use of garden pesticides and incense, is a significant
correlative of early adult cancer). Perhaps a little benzene on the
tofu is meaningless, in the greater scheme of things.
=Eric
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David Boelee
On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:34:22 -0700, "Eric Bagai" <er...@foreworks.com>
wrote:
>Not quite. Outside the U.S. one can often find food-grade
>kerosene/paraffin in pharmacies. It is used as a laxative.
(...)
The stuff that I bought in the pharmacy is too thick to use even on
wicks, let alone for firebreathing.
>pneumonia and death by asphyxiation. For example, fire-poi swingers
>who get rid of excess fuel by spinning unlit wicks create a vaporous
>cloud of kerosene around themselves, which they inhale. If they do
>this frequently enough, they get pneumonia.
Developing chemical pneumonia by the inhaltation of built up paraffin
vapours affer inhaling them time after time is likely indeed, I can
tell you by experience. But since paraffin at room temperature is not
too vaporous, the risk is more in the fumes that leave the torch after
burning. That's concentrated paraffin damp, be extremely cautious with
that!
>Inside the U.S. the best you can find is kerosene jet fuel. All other
>forms of kero in the U.S. contain naphtha and possibly benzene, no
>matter what the label says.
The very best fuel I found until now is Parapur, a paraffin product
from Fina Total Elf, used for dry cleaning and floor cleaning.
Basically, it's just paraffin, but all the aromatic substances and all
the carcenogenics have been removed. The manufacturer's safety sheets
explicitly state that this oil is 100% non-toxic.
Having said this, the risks for inhalation and developing chemical
pneumonia will exist and will always be there. Aspiration of any
body-strange substance may cause pneumonia. I experimented with an
organic lamp oil a while ago, which resulted in flames that were more
or less ok and fumes as if you were in a snackbar. Non-toxic oil, but
still hazardous to the lungs.
>Absofuckinglutely, and yet, people will do it. We've got a whole
>generation of kids who put multiple holes in their bodies, permanent
>marks on their skins, mix n' match halucinogens in their heads, and
>stuff aromatherapy scents into their lungs (which, along with the
>over-use of garden pesticides and incense, is a significant
>correlative of early adult cancer). Perhaps a little benzene on the
>tofu is meaningless, in the greater scheme of things.
:-) very nicely spoken but...
"We well know that death shall come
and our future is unknown:
stealthy as a thief he comes
and body and soul he does part
.
So be of trust and confidence:
be not too much afraid of death,
for if you fear him overmuch
joy you nevermore shall touch"
(poem from the Distische Cantonis)
David
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CCRS
Biodiesel ...its basically ultra-refined vegetable oil(usually soy bean). it
has a MSDS health rating of 0 (which means it is non -toxic) (although I
cant vouch for what it will do to your cholesterol levels !!!)check out
http://www.biodiesel.org to find a supplier near you. (it is a bit thicker
then paraffin and takes a bit of practice to properly 'atomize' it, but I
can routinely get about 15 ft blows with it.) just make sure you get what
they call "virgin" biodiesel (i.e. has never been used before) as they
sometimes add chemicales to the "non-virgin" type to remove added impurities
(say, for example it had previously been used to fry food at a Mcdonalds).
It also has a higher flash point (340F) than any of the petrol based fuels
which makes it much safer (esp for beginners)
Hope this helps
and dont forget...
BE CAREFUL!
Kevin
Scorched Earth Fire Troupe
Goering
I'm always looking for a cool effect but most of the best colors are really
toxic.
"CCRS" <xeb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:9rum28$n78$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...
CCRS
for the petrol based fuels), bur then, with the high flash point it is
almost impossible to get a flash-back (actually, it takes a hour or two of
practice just to be able to keep the blast burning after pulling away the
torch for the dragon-breath effect....like I said...great for beginners) the
colour is about the same as with the normal kerosene or lamp oil and seems a
bit brighter....ALSO it is quite a bit louder... sounds like a cross between
a rocket and water being dropped into very hot oil. (actually, it scared the
crap outta me the first time I tried it... I wasnt expecting anything that
LOUD...but the audience loved it!!!)
as for colours, I still havent found anything to change the flames colours
that isnt really toxic. (and those chemicals usually work best with
de-natured alchohol anyway...not good for firebreathing as it can make you
go blind or worse)
Also....for those who use white gas (coleman fuel or whatever) for
fire-juggling, fire-poi or whatever.....a mixture of 25% white gas and 75%
biodiesel will give you almost triple the burn time of white gas alone.
Hope this helps
Kevin
Scorched Earth Fire Troupe
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"Goering" <goering@_opt)online.ne> wrote in message
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Jay Linn
<snipped the informative and concise info on biodiesel>
>Kevin
>Scorched Earth Fire Troupe
Sounds interesting. I'm guessing that you are US based, but
would you have any clue as to where it can be obtained in the UK?
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Kevin
distribution in the UK...
If not, they would probably (hopefully) know if there is a company in the UK
that does...
(I'm just cutting and pasting this list...)
Ag Environmental Products; Lenexa, KS
Phone: (402) 492-3316 -- 800-247-1345
Contact: Steve Nogel
e-mail: mailto:sno...@agp.com
http://www.soygold.com
Biodiesel Industries; Marathon, FL
Phone: (877) BIO-FUEL -- (877) 246-3835
Contact: Russ Teall
e-mail: Rte...@aol.com
http://www.pipeline.to/biodiesel/
Columbus Foods; Chicago, IL
Phone: (773) 265-6500
Contact: Joe Loveshe
e-mail: jlov...@columbusfoods.com
http://www.columbusfoods.com
Griffin Industries; Cold Spring, KY
Phone: (800) 743-7413
Contact: Hart Moore
mailto:jhm...@griffinind.com
http://www.griffinind.com
Peter Cremer North America, L.P.; Cincinnati, OH
Phone: (513) 471-7200
Contact: Mack Findley
mailto:Hfin...@petercremerna.com
http://www.cremer-gruppe.com
Stepan Company; Northfield, IL
Phone: (847) 446-7500
Contact: Jeff Nelson
mailto:jne...@stepan.com
West Central Cooperative; Ralston, IA
Phone: (712) 667-3200
Contact: Bev Tierney
e-mail: be...@westcentral.net
Gary Haer (913) 884-8521
mailto:g.h...@worldnet.att.net
http://www.soypower.net
World Energy Alternatives; Chelsea, MA
Phone: (617) 889-9000
Order Line: (888) 785-8373
Contact: Gene Gebolys
e-mail: Ge...@worldenergy.net
http://www.worldenergy.net
Hope this helps
Kevin
"madness takes its toll...have exact change ready,please"