Passing Patterns
Dr. Steven M. Salberg
From: orp...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Orph)
Subject: Re: Passing Patterns
Date: 19 Mar 1993 19:49:23 GMT
Orph writes:
>2.) stand just behind and to the left of the three pin juggler. Reach
>in above his hand and catch the right to left throw coming in. Now
>reach underneath and throw back into his patter.
> -a variation. Reach in and catch the pin, bring it up and around
>the jugglers back and hold it so that the handle is pointing forward just
>to the right of his face. (Like a shoulder mounted gun) he will reach up
>and grab this when the "space" comes to his right hand. Try every third
>or every others for a VERY strange feeling for the juggling man.
For a great demonstration of some of these steals (and many others) watch
CLOCKWORK (Rick Rubenstein and Jack Kalvan) in the Championships from
either '90 or '91 (can't remember just now). They also do the little
basketballs and the (now) infamous FLOWER POTS!
Steve (Dr. Diabolo) Salberg
IJA Director of Video Production
74720,4...@compuserve.com
Dave Corney
PHY...@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Brendan Brolly) writes:
> Does any one out there know any interesting passing patterns that
> don't require loads of clubs. I'm feeling a bit jaded at the moment.
> Some both hand stuff would be nice, maybe for 3 or 4 people.
Turning Circles
===============
Tarim likes the 1 where every1 stands in a circle, 3 clubs each
& u pass in turn 2 each person round the circle, including
yourself. It works with any number of people & any rhythm: every
other (4s), altern8s (3s), showers (2s), ultim8s (1s). Tho Tarim
has never found enough nutters 2 try it with ultim8s.
2 sort out who passes with whom at the start, just draw
parallel lines through the circle. So, if u can find 6 people
with boring names like A,B,C,D,E & F:
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6.
A---B A\ B A B A B A B A /B
\ \ \ | | / / /
F-------C F\ \C F \ C F | | C F / C F/ /C
\ \ \ | | / / /
E---D E \D E D E D E D E/ D
As u c, if u can make any sense of Tarim's crappy diagram, A
passes with B, C, D, E, F & hirself. C passes with F, A, B,
hirself, D & E. If u do it with an odd number of people then
sum1 starts off by passing 2 themselves.
Altern8s is very sweet with this pattern, since the same clubs
get passed all the time. If u have N people, N clubs will b
passed. This not only looks pretty if u use different clubs, it
helps u work out which club 2 pass, particularly when u come 2
fitting the self pass in. All u gotta do is pass the club u get,
so if u get some lousy throw u just lob it 2 the next person 2
sort out :-)
Over the Shoulder
=================
2 do the over the shoulder look, A & B face C, who faces A & B.
(D, E & F can take a rest).
A:-) B:-) (-:C
A passes 2 C & receives from B, via a shoulder pass.
B passes over hir shoulder, 2 A. Opposite shoulder 2 the hand
they throw with, & receives from C.
C passes 2 B & receives from A.
If D, E or F have rested enough, they can join on either end.
2 sort out who passes where: If there is some1 behind u, pass
over your shoulder, if not, pass 2 the nearest person facing u.
Adding more people, turns this in2 the sort of pattern which is
better discussed over a beer than actually juggled.
Again, this pattern can b juggled with any rhythm, but whenever
Tarim says it can b done with altern8s, people just groan at him
& suggest we try a different pattern.
Moving Zig-Zags
===============
1. A C E 2. A C E
\ \ \ / /
B D F B D F
The common or garden 3 person feed can b ex10ded 2 any number
of people in a zig-zag. The people at the ends (A & F) do
every-other, the others feed the 2 people opposite. When A
receives a club they can grab it, shout "out" & move 2 the other
end of the pattern. B now does every-other with C, every1 else
carries on as b4. At the appropri8 moment (Tarim leaves this bit
as an exercise 2 the reader), A shouts "in" & starts doing
every-other with F, F starts feeding E & A, so we have:
1. C E A 2. C E A
\ \ / / /
B D F B D F
Next it's B's turn 2 move & C will do every-other & A will end
up feeding. If u have an odd number of people then u join the
opposite line when u go 2 the other end.
This pattern can b done with altern8s. Assuming, somewhat
rashly, u can feed altern8s.
Passing Etiquette
=================
The 1derful thing about passing is, so long as u have good
passing etiquette, u can keep the pattern going & pick up the
dropped club(s). Passing Etiquette is *very* important, what it
means is, don't steal the gaps!
"Eh?" u say, "I read this far only 2 find Tarim is 1 club short
of a cascade!"
No, no, bear with Tarim now, Passing Etiquette is simply this:
*** If u have less than 3 clubs, don't pass. ***
If u r 1 of these people who thinks that they should on all
accounts throw something, u r a gap hogger! If u have 2 clubs &
u always throw when u receive, u keep 2 clubs & a gap. Every1
else always has 3 clubs, so the person who has that last club at
their feet, never has a chance 2 pick it up.
Now, if when u have 2 clubs, u simply don't pass, u receive a
club, so u can carry on the pattern & u have passed the gap 2
someone who may b able 2 use it. Conversely, if u pass 2 some1
who only has 2 clubs, u *know* they won't pass 2 u, so u have
plenty of time 2 pick up that club at your feet & pass it 2 the
next person. If there isn't a club at your feet, pass the gap 2
the next person, by not passing a club.
Tarim can think of a few more passing patterns, but this
message is getting a little long (who said 2 long?) so he'll stop
now. If Tarim is given the slightest encouragement he'll post
some more later (u have been warned!)
---__ __ o ___
/ (_// / / ) )
P.S. Tarim will b at BJC6 in Birmingham. He'll b hairy guy,
getting out of his head (this is a european festival after all!)
& saying, 'but have u tried this with altern8s?'
Peter Olin
In article <memo....@cix.compulink.co.uk> Dave Corney
<ta...@cix.compulink.co.uk> writes:
<Lot's of interesting stuff about passing and alternates deleted>
Again, this pattern can b juggled with any rhythm, but whenever
Tarim says it can b done with altern8s, people just groan at him
& suggest we try a different pattern.
I get the same reaction from most of my juggling friends, they don't
seem very interested in passing alternates. Consequently I haven't had
many opportunities to practice alternates, which makes it even more
difficult to recruit anyone willing to do it with me.
Anyway, I'm interested in things to do while passing alternates
(especially between two persons). Some interesting tricks and moves
might help in my efforts to get my friends into passing alternates.
*** If u have less than 3 clubs, don't pass. ***
The passing etiquette around here is the opposite: Always pass!
I think I like your etiquette better, and will hereby be the Swedish
ambassador for it.
Tarim can think of a few more passing patterns, but this
message is getting a little long (who said 2 long?) so he'll stop
now. If Tarim is given the slightest encouragement he'll post
some more later (u have been warned!)
Heaps of encouragement from
/Peter
--
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Swedish Institute of Computer Science ! Tel: +46 8 752 1557 (direct)
Box 1263 ! or: +46 8 752 1500
S-164 28 KISTA, SWEDEN ! Fax: +46 8 751 7230
John Johnson
seeing clubs the whole way out of the passer's hand: Get four people, three
clubs each, and pass with the first and third person passing to each other,
and the second and fourth passing to each other on the same beat, with the
same hand:
1--2--3--4
Naturally, 2 and 3 shouldn't try to pick up clubs, and 1 and 4 are most
responsible for accuracy and the occasional good grab/save. 2 and 3 should
just think narrow...This pattern is reasonably difficult to do, but it looks
way cool from the side if you can stay in sync. Our club usually throws
every others, but any pattern that works for two people will work for this
pattern, too. I've also tried the same set-up, but with 2 and 3 passing and
1 and 4 passing. That's considerably harder, particularly for 1 and 4.
For a different three person pattern, I suggest a triangle, with either each
person passing to one person only, accross their body, and also catching from
accross their body (for whatever reason there's less collisions throwing
accross your body), or if you can all waltz (a 3rd pattern, I think), have
all three waltz, with each left hand throw going left, each right hand throw
going right. Viewed from the top, this would be like three clubs that just
shift back and forth around the circle (triangle).
-John
Mark Neale
> ... Get four people, three
> clubs each, and pass with the first and third person passing to each other,
> and the second and fourth passing to each other on the same beat, with the
> same hand:
> 1--2--3--4
On doubles I call this the Philadelphia line. Has anyone else heard
this name and know the origination of it? Try it with 14 clubs :-)
Incidentally, has anyone tries the 14 club box? We have real problems
working out the starting timing. It seems like a 1/4 beat time. Any
suggestions?
> ..... I've also tried the same set-up, but with 2 and 3 passing and
> 1 and 4 passing. That's considerably harder, particularly for 1 and 4.
I'm probably not going to get this right, but I know a variation on
this. 1 and 4 do the same pattern in 4-count which is 1->3, 1->3, 1->4
(double, double, triple) (from the other end 4->2, 4->2, 4->1). 2 and
three have more fun (again both doing the same pattern). I think it's
2->4(double), self, 2->1 (dropback), self, 2->3, 2->3, self. You may
have to miss the first self out to get the timing right, I can't
remember and it's been a while since I tried this one. The person who
taught me this called it the rainbow.
> For a different three person pattern, I suggest a triangle, with either each
> person passing to one person only, accross their body, and also catching from
> accross their body
Inside triangles I think (passing to your left).
> (for whatever reason there's less collisions throwing accross your body),
Not sure I agree with this. I get less collisions passing to the
right.
> or if you can all waltz (a 3rd pattern, I think),
^^^^^
description of this required please :-)
> have all three waltz, with each left hand throw going left, each
> right hand throw going right. Viewed from the top, this would be
> like three clubs that just shift back and forth around the circle
> (triangle).
Ahh, this sounds like an ultimate triangle. Have to try this one at
Birmingham (any takers?).
Mark.
--
-- mark neale ma...@edscom.demon.co.uk +44 908 284708
-- any opinion expressed above is.
Brendan Brolly
rainbow. So you have:
[ [ ] ]
A B C D
A+C pass doubles
B+D " "
There are some modification of this that are quite fun. They involve
14 clubs though.
The first one is slightly different to the above except the two
pairs to 7 clubs on doubles between themselves. To start A and D both
have 4 clubs and they begin together. B and C do a normal 7 club
start (they begin when the first club is half way across) It
sometimes gets a bit dangerous for the people in the middle.
The second one is a double backdrop line. Ther positions and the
start are the same as above except now:
A passes to C
B " " A with a back drop
C " " D " " " "
D " " B
If you get the hang of both of these you can mix the two with B and
C feeding between a double forwards and a back drop. You need to play
with the positioning a bit first.
All these patterns should be possible with 16 clubs but I haven't
got round to trying them yet (although B'ham is only next week so
I'll let you know how it goes). Have fun.
Brendan xxx
John Vert
>In article <93083.214...@psuvm.psu.edu> John Johnson <JXJ...@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
>
>> ... Get four people, three
>> clubs each, and pass with the first and third person passing to each other,
>> and the second and fourth passing to each other on the same beat, with the
>> same hand:
>> 1--2--3--4
>
>On doubles I call this the Philadelphia line. Has anyone else heard
>this name and know the origination of it? Try it with 14 clubs :-)
>Incidentally, has anyone tries the 14 club box? We have real problems
>working out the starting timing. It seems like a 1/4 beat time. Any
>suggestions?
>
We have had pretty good success with a 14 club box. Try starting
simultaneously.
2
1-+-3
4
4 and 3 start on the same beat, 1 and 2 start on the same beat (1/2 beat
away from 3 and 4) If your timing is precise enough, it will just work.
If your timing is off, you will crash and burn spectacularly. It is
similar to doing a box with a 2-count, since you rely on 3's pass being
exactly in sync with 4's pass. By the time 4's pass intersects 3's
passing lane, 3's pass is intersecting 2's passing lane, and there is
no collision. Try it with singles!
-John (jv...@microsoft.com)
ps The Flying K's do this pattern (with doubles, the wimps) in their new show.
pps It is about the only interesting juggling in their new show.
Dave Corney
Orph <orp...@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> mailed Tarim to say he calls
the Turning Circles pattern a "feast", cos you feed everyone,
including yourself, rather sweet tarim thought.
Tarim also received a very gentle complaint (more a glow than a
flame) about his use of abrevi8ions (oops, sorry), well, since
you asked so nicely, Tarim will try to type them in full, but
please 4give (shit) forgive Tarim if he forgets (managed that
one!), cos this is breaking the habits of a lifetime!
r...@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
> i have just returned from my first attempt at left handed passing which
> culminated in trying ultimates( 1 count or no self passes) (we managed
> it with balls ok but clubs were a bit harder -- any tips?
Try to make the passes high, cos your partner has to get hir
passes underneath your incoming ones. Tarim also found doing a
pass-pass-self pattern helped loads (it's a kind of cross between
ultimates & showering), and has the additional benefit of being
the same pattern you juggle if you're feeding two people juggling
alternates.
PHY...@phys-irc.novell.leeds.ac.uk (Brendan Brolly), who
started all this, said originally:
> Does any one out there know any interesting passing patterns that
> don't require loads of clubs. I'm feeling a bit jaded at the moment.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Some both hand stuff would be nice, maybe for 3 or 4 people.
but later clarified this by adding:
> Does anyone know one both hand patterns for 3 or 4 people
> that involve more than 3 clubs each. I can just about get up to 12
> clubs on a 3 person 1 count feed but I think thats as far as I
> personally can take that
Aha, Tarim thinks we have a slight misunderstanding over the
meaning of 'loads of clubs', but since various people have
encouraged Tarim he'll carry on with a few 3 club per person
patterns anyway.
TRIANGLES
=========
John Johnson <JXJ...@psuvm.psu.edu> wrote about triangles,
which can be juggled with any rhythm. These can be extended to
any odd number of people, though Tarim doesn't find 'inside'
patterns have less collisions. In fact with more than 3 people
the whole thing seems to become one big collision! The only
advantage Tarim finds with 'inside' patterns is the way you don't
have so far to look between where you are passing to and where
you are receiving from. Another interesting thing about
triangles is you can move through the middle of the pattern. You
remember A, B & C...
A passes to B, receives from C
B passes to C, receives from A
C passes to A, receives from B
1. 2. 3.
C C
/ ^
/ \
v \
A ----> B A <---> B A ----> B
^ /
\ /
\ v
C
At step 2, C runs across the middle, A & B exchange a pass and
then include C again in the next pass. Anyone can run across the
pattern at any time, the only problem is when two people decide
to do it at the same time and then you get more collision
problems :-)
MULTI LEVEL PASSING
===================
Somehow there seem to be a lack of passing patterns for 4
people, sometimes Tarim thinks the world would be a lot more
harmonious if everyone who juggled learned also played bridge,
then they wouldn't mind! However given a couple of chairs, or
preferably tables, get A & D to stand on them, then:
A feeds C & D
B feeds C & D
C feeds A & B
D feeds A & B
1. 2.
|_| |_|
A B A B
| | \ /
| | \/
| | /\
| | / \
C D C D
|~| |~|
It helps if A & D do lots of doubles in tricks as this gives
more room for B & C to get their passes underneath.
All this looks a bit pathetic compared to Brendan & Martin's
postings about more clubs than Tarim could even afford let alone
juggle. But then again, Tarim's not into numbers, after all,
it's just more crap to carry around :-)
ol...@sics.se (Peter Olin) gave Tarim much encouragement and wrote:
> Anyway, I'm interested in things to do while passing alternates
> (especially between two persons). Some interesting tricks and moves
> might help in my efforts to get my friends into passing alternates.
Well, if Tarim doesn't get flamed for being too simplistic in
this group :-) he could post a description of where you fit in
all the double & triples into a two (or more) person alternate
pattern.
Peter Olin
Well, if Tarim doesn't get flamed for being too simplistic in
this group :-) he could post a description of where you fit in
all the double & triples into a two (or more) person alternate
pattern.
Let me act as simplistic flame bait, and you tell us all some more
intricate patterns.
First let's assume you have a friend, and if you don't, take some of
Tarim's. I guess you all know know them by now.
A and B. In the standard alternate pattern throw 1 and 2 are self throws and
3 is a pass. (12p12p12p12p12p)
* Show off without your partner noticing anything by passing a "double "
across at 2. 3 is a self throw, and you're back to normal.
(12p1*312p12p) (* indicates double across)
* Beware of falling objects. Make throw 1 "triple" straight. 2 and 3
are self passes, and you're back to normal. (12p*2312p12p) (*
indicates triple straight)
* "Alternate California dirtbag" Instead of passing straight at 3 throw
a slow single across. Your partner then "bounces" this club back as a
slow single across to yo again. Prevents them from falling asleep.
* "Double trouble" I haven't tried this yet. I "Invented" it last
night and will try it tonight if anyone is willing to pass alternates with
me. Make your ordinary 3 pass a high double instead of a single. My
diagrams didn't get any further than this, but I guess the partner
replies by throwing a double across to the hand that threw the double.
By the way, I've managed to get a couple of people to pass alternates
with me, and I enjoy it much more than the asymmetric 4-count which
makes my bodily fluids and energies too concentrated in one side of my
body and spirit. Alternates however stimulates the body in a cosmic
manner and makes you healthy, vital and happy. :-)
More tricks and tips are appreciated.