The best juggler at .....
David Cain
who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
would be featured. Here's the list:
3 balls
4 balls
5 balls
6 balls
7 balls
8 balls
9 balls
5 rings
6 rings
7 rings
8 rings
9 rings
3 clubs
4 clubs
5 clubs
6 clubs
7 clubs
ball bouncing
cigar boxes
1 devil stick
2 devil sticks
1 diabolo
2 diabolos
3 diabolos
ball spinning
hat juggling
hoop rolling
shaker cups
lasso
ping pong spitting
contact juggling
tennis balls and can
plate juggling
Most Orignial Juggler
Most Versatile Juggler
Funniest Juggler
Most Artistic Juggler
Have fun.
David Cain
www.christianjuggler.com
Jason Kollum
David Cain wrote:
> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
> think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
> put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
> endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
> patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
> 5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
> would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
> comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
> list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
> would be featured. Here's the list:
>
> 3 balls (Neil Stammer Andrew Allen, Jay Gilligan, Sean McKinney come to mind)
> 4 balls
> 5 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> 6 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> 7 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> 8 balls
> 9 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> 5 rings (Sergey Ignatov, Jr.)
> 6 rings
> 7 rings (Dick Franco, 7 ring color change, into 7 from an assistant handing each off)
> 8 rings
> 9 rings
> 3 clubs (Marioi Berousek, Wally Eastwood, Paul Ponce)
> 4 clubs
> 5 clubs (Ewegeni Bilauer)
> 6 clubs
> 7 clubs (Since Gatto is not an option, perhaps others who can flash it in performance...Mario Berousek, Claudius Sprecht come to mind....)
> ball bouncing (Eden Zak, Emiley Carey)
> cigar boxes (Kris Kremo, Shirley Dean)
> 1 devil stick
> 2 devil sticks
> 1 diabolo (Donald Grant, Rio Yabe)
> 2 diabolos
> 3 diabolos (Rio Yabe)
> ball spinning (Sean Blue, Michael Chirrick)
> hat juggling (Three way tie--Kris Kremo, Shirley Dean, Tuan Lee)
> hoop rolling (#1 Bob Bramson, #2 Carter Brown)
> shaker cups (Tuey Wilson)
> lasso
> ping pong spitting (#1 Picaso Jr., #2 Rod Laver, although perhaps Dick Franco and Rod Laver are tied, though Rod does really cool variations with 3 balls and flashes 8)
> contact juggling (Michael Moschen)
> tennis balls and can (Dan Bennet, Dan Holzman)
> plate juggling (if thrown as frisbees, then Gran Picaso, then Picaso Jr.)
> Most Orignial Juggler (Jay Gilligan, Michael Moschen)
> Most Versatile Juggler (Jay Gilligan)
> Funniest Juggler (I like Rhys Thomas)
> Most Artistic Juggler (Jay Gilligan)
Hexagonic
> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
> think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
> put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
> endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
> patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
> 5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
> would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
> comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
> list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
> would be featured. Here's the list:
>
> 4 balls
> 5 balls Ben Beever
> 6 balls Ben Beever
> 7 balls Ben Beever
> 8 balls Thomas Dietz
> 9 balls Peter Bone
> 5 rings Jay Gilligan
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 8 rings
> 9 rings
> 4 clubs Toby Walker
> 5 clubs Toby Walker
> 6 clubs Toby Walker
> 7 clubs Toby Walker
> ball bouncing Tony Freebourg, Vincent Bruel
> cigar boxes Matt Hall
> 1 devil stick Adam Ferrier (DS Ads)
> 2 devil sticks That guy from Bungay!
> 1 diabolo Julein Vux
> 2 diabolos Julien Vux
> 3 diabolos Tony Freebourg
> ball spinning
> hat juggling Dan the Hat
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups Randy Cabral
> lasso
> ping pong spitting Paul Morroco
> contact juggling Matt Black
> tennis balls and can Rene Albert
> plate juggling
> Most Orignial Juggler Toby Walker
> Most Versatile Juggler Luke Burrage
> Funniest Juggler Zanzibar
> Most Artistic Juggler Stefan Sing
>
Will
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NielsDuinker
Stefan Sing
> 4 balls
Thomas Dietz
> 7,8,9 balls
Anthony Gatto
> 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 rings
Anthony Gatto
> 3,4,5 clubs
Vova Galchenko
> 6,7 clubs
> Anthony Gatto
> ball bouncing
Eden Zak
> cigar boxes
Matt Hall (the way he does it rocks)
> hat juggling
Kris Kremo
> hoop rolling
Bob Bramson
> shaker cups
Claudius Specht
> ping pong spitting
Picaso Jr.
> Most Orignial Juggler
Jay Gilligan
> Most Versatile Juggler
what is versatile??
> Funniest Juggler
dunno, I like Garfield, The Passing zone, rootberry
> Most Artistic Juggler
Jay Gilligan
Mike Armstrong
> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> 3 balls
Stefan Sing
> 4 balls
Sean Gandini
> 6 balls
The Void (do the feet!!)
> 7 balls
Ben Beever
> 8 balls
> 9 balls
Ben Beever
> 5 rings
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 8 rings
> 9 rings
> 3 clubs
> 4 clubs
> 5 clubs
Toby Walker
> 6 clubs
> 7 clubs
> ball bouncing
> cigar boxes
Jeff Daymont
> 1 devil stick
Sharon Bridge
> 2 devil sticks
Markus Furtner
> 1 diabolo
Matt Hall
> 2 diabolos
Dave Proctor
> 3 diabolos
Priam
> ball spinning
Sean Blue
> hat juggling
Kris Kremo, Dieter Tasso
> hoop rolling
Bob Bramsom
> shaker cups
Dan Holzman
> lasso
> ping pong spitting
Rod Laver
> contact juggling
Jago
> tennis balls and can
Rene Albert
> plate juggling
> Most Orignial Juggler
Luke Burrage
> Most Versatile Juggler
Jay Gilligan
> Funniest Juggler
Bob Nickerson ;o)
> Most Artistic Juggler
Michael Moschen
-Mike
http://www.trickswithhats.org
xfirebladex
> 4 balls
> 5 balls - Thomas Deitz
> 6 balls - Thomas Deitz
> 7 balls - Peter Bone
> 8 balls
> 9 balls - Ben Beever
> 5 rings - Sergey Ignatov jr
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 8 rings
> 3 clubs - Peter Gerber (love those flats)
> 4 clubs - Thomas Deitz
> 5 clubs - Toby Walker
> 6 clubs - Vova Galchenko
> 7 clubs - Toby Walker
> ball bouncing - Eden Zak
> cigar boxes - Jeff Daymont
> 1 devil stick
> 2 devil sticks
> 2 diabolos - Ryo Yabe / Antonin Hartz
> 3 diabolos - Ryo Yabe
> ball spinning
> hat juggling - LP (why not? or Dan the Hat)
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups - Dan Holzman
> lasso
> ping pong spitting
> contact juggling - Swifty
> tennis balls and can
> plate juggling
> Most Versatile Juggler - Francis Brunn
> Funniest Juggler - Garfield was funny in his shows / RootBerry
> Most Artistic Juggler - Michael Moschen
>
Niels - said no Gatto!
Chiok
www.gravityvomit.co.uk
coleman
4 balls - luke burrage
5 balls - thomas dietz, ben beever
6 balls - thomas dietz, ben beever
7 balls - ben beever, thomas dietz
8 balls - thomas dietz
9 balls - peter bone, thomas dietz
5 rings - jay gilligan
7 rings - jay gilligan and manu laude (not individually - as a pair)
8+ rings - the gandini's
3 clubs - malte steinmetz, ville walo
4 clubs - thomas dietz
5 clubs - toby walker, vova glachenko
6 clubs - toby walker
7 clubs - toby walker
ball bouncing - vincent bruel, tony freebourg
cigar boxes - matt hall
1 devil stick - dsads
1 diabolo - julien vux, ryo yabe
2 diabolos - julien vux, matt hall
3 diabolos - tony freebourg, ryo yabe
hat juggling - pascal
contact juggling - matt henham, ryan mellor, drew batchelor
tennis balls and can - matt hall
Most Orignial Juggler - michael moschen, jay gilligan
Most Versatile Juggler - jay gilligan
Funniest Juggler - team rootberry
Most Artistic Juggler - maksim kamaro
Little Paul
>> hat juggling - LP (why not?
Because you're wrong. That's why.
-Paul
Little Paul
I've replied to the ones I give at least half a rats buttock about,
I probably have opinions on others but don't feel qualified to comment.
I've also interpreted "best" as meaning "favourite" in probably one or
two cases.
>
> 3 balls
> 4 balls
> 5 balls
> 6 balls
> 7 balls
> 8 balls
> 9 balls
> 5 rings
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 8 rings
> 9 rings
> 3 clubs
Malte Steinmetz
> 4 clubs
> 5 clubs
Toby Walker
> 6 clubs
> 7 clubs
> ball bouncing
Eden Zak
> cigar boxes
> 1 devil stick
Sharon Bridge
> 2 devil sticks
Markus Furtner
> 1 diabolo
> 2 diabolos
> 3 diabolos
> ball spinning
> hat juggling
Are we allowed to mention duos? If so, I really rate "Handsome Little
Devils" if not, obviously it's Kris Kremo.
> hoop rolling
Bob Bramsom
> shaker cups
> lasso
> ping pong spitting
Rod Laver
> contact juggling
I like Owen Edson
> tennis balls and can
Rene Albert
> plate juggling
Rastelli.
> Most Orignial Juggler
> Most Versatile Juggler
> Funniest Juggler
> Most Artistic Juggler
>
> Have fun.
Thomas Dietz
> David Cain
Hmm... Who's the best David Cain? I'm not sure... and I'm
not allowed to put "Gatto"?
-Paul
Luke Burrage
people who do the kind of juggling I like better are better. And some are
better on stage than others who are better off stage, and some people who
are better than both are unknown to me. In conclusion, this is a list of
personal favourites.
Psst, you missed 2 balls:
Stefan Zing
> 3 balls
Michael Karas has some really cool tricks.
> 4 balls
Sean Gandini with his funky patterns
> 5 balls
Either Thomas Deitz for his tricks or Stefan and Philip for their two
person 5 ball juggling.
> 6 balls
Ben Beever has the best patterns.
> 7 balls
I guess this must be Thomas Deitz again.
> 8 balls
Me. Just because.
> 9 balls
Ben Beever again, or maybe Thomas. Or how about Scott Seltzer, as it says
on his website "He is recognized on an exclusive list of jugglers working
with 9 balls."
> 5 rings
Jay Gilligan... but what about less than 5 rings? With 4 I like things
that Norbi does, and then with 3 rings it is probably Jay again.
> 6 rings
Sergey Ignatov
> 7 rings
Sergey Ignatov
> 8 rings
Me, because I have this cool 8 fat ring bounce multiplex trick, and nobody
else bothers to do tricks with 8 rings.
> 9 rings
Sergey Ignatov (he said he got 148 catches once)
> 3 clubs
Jay Gilligan is great, even when he doesn't throw so much, but Malte
Steinmetz is the most entertaining.
> 4 clubs
Toby Walker
> 5 clubs
Vova Galchenko
> 6 clubs
Dennis Paumier for his really clean fountain pattern or, for the cool
multiplex pattern she performs, Cecile Poncet.
> 7 clubs
Thomas Dietz is really rocking out with 7 clubs now. As far as I know he
is the only person after Gatto who has managed a 7 club pirouette and
carried on juggling afterwards.
> ball bouncing
I don't know so many ball bouncers but everyone on the Bouncing in Paris
dvd rocked.
> cigar boxes
Kris Kremo
> 1 devil stick
Ryan from Canada, but I can't remember his second name.
> 2 devil sticks
Markus Furtner, there can be only one.
> 1 diabolo
Donald Grant keeps coming up with the goods, in my book.
> 2 diabolos
Antonin or Priam from the Mad French Posse, or Dave Proctor from Sheffield.
> 3 diabolos
Miguel from Chile who is living in Berlin and was at the convention a
month ago. He had more tricks than anyone else I've seen, though others
like Ryo Yabe have a cleaner 3 low pattern.
> ball spinning
Francis Brunn, though dead, will take some beating.
> hat juggling
Kris Kremo for pure technique and style, Pascal for good fun and silly
tricks.
> hoop rolling
Bob Bramsom.
> shaker cups
Really, who gives a toss?
> lasso
Is this even juggling? I know it is a circus skill, and some jugglers do
it, but I wouldn't include it as a basic juggling skil that average
jugglers have mouch access to.
> ping pong spitting
Rod Laver
> contact juggling
Matt Henman for style, Ryan Mellors for tricks.
> tennis balls and can
Renee Albert for his mastery of 4 ball cans.
> plate juggling
I've not seen this done much.
> Most Original Juggler
Jay Gilligan for his continuous creativity.
> Most Versatile Juggler
Jay Gilligan is technical, creative and entertaining. For me that ticks
all the boxes.
> Funniest Juggler
Jason Garfield, but not for the reasons he hopes I would mean.
> Most Artistic Juggler
What is art?
> Have fun.
This must be Dave Walbridge! He is such a big fun guy!
> David Cain
Scott Cain is the best David Cain.
> www.christianjuggler.com
Tommy Baker is the best christian juggler, because he doesn't try to
shoehorn any infuriatingly unconnected and dull messages into his juggling
acts, instead he just entertains other christians with some ass kicking
basketball juggling routines.
Luke Burrage
David Cain
If you think what I do is dull and unconnected, please take a look
at the upcoming July issue of Juggle Magazine for a very differing
opinion.
David Cain
AlvaroPalominos
> 3 balls: Stefan Sing
> 4 balls: Carlos Muñoz, Chilean juggler (now in France), many Style.
> 5 balls: Thomas Dietz, sitewaps, 360º's, many skill.
> 6 balls: Maybe me, I can do many tricks.....is very easy the even numbers
for me.
> 7 balls: Thomas Dietz
> 8 balls: Bruce Sarafian
> 9 balls: Thomas Dietz
> 5 rings: Sergey Ignatov Jr
> 6 rings: ---------
> 7 rings: Sergey Ignatov
> 8 rings: I'm like Jason Garfield in Juggling Master videos.
> 9 rings: Sergey Ignatov
> 3 clubs: Carlos Muñoz, for the style.
> 4 clubs: Evgeni Bilhauer
> 5 clubs: Vova Galchenko
> 6 clubs: Thomas Dietz, patterns and tricks.
> 7 clubs: Toby Walker
> ball bouncing: Bouncing in Paris guys, i'm liked the sitewaps,I don't like
the bounce dicks...Is very important for me the style and position of the body.
> cigar boxes: Kris Kremo
> 1 devil stick: ---------
> 2 devil sticks: Markus Furtner
> 1 diabolo: Antonin
> 2 diabolos: Ryo Yabe
> 3 diabolos: Miguel from Chile (here), I saw many very hard tricks, I
tranning many hours for day.
> ball spinning: Francis Brumm
> hat juggling: Kris Kremo
> hoop rolling:----
> shaker cups: Many flair Bartenders!!
> lasso....
> ping pong spitting: Rod Laver
> contact juggling:-----
> tennis balls and can----
> plate juggling-----
> Most Orignial Juggler: Luke Burrage
> Most Versatile Juggler: ??? i don't know
> Funniest Juggler: Luke Burrage hahaha you are funny xD.
> Most Artistic Juggler: Victor Kee
Este es un buen Tema amigo ;)
Adam
Luke Burrage wrote:
> > www.christianjuggler.com
> Tommy Baker is the best christian juggler, because he doesn't try to
> shoehorn any infuriatingly unconnected and dull messages into his juggling
> acts, instead he just entertains other christians with some ass kicking
> basketball juggling routines.
>
I like his basketball juggling, but I fail to see how the absence of a
christian message makes one a good "christian juggler" which is
different from "juggler who is a christian."
Adam
Little Paul
>
> I like his basketball juggling, but I fail to see how the absence of a
> christian message makes one a good "christian juggler" which is
> different from "juggler who is a christian."
The phrase "Christian Juggler" is ambiguous and can mean any of the
following:
"A juggler who is of the christian faith"
"A juggler who preaches chritianity whilst juggling"
"Someone who juggles people of the christian faith"
"Someone who juggles people called Chris"
I've ranked those in the order that my brain would interpret the
phrase. Why? Substitute the phrase for "Jewish juggler"
or "muslim juggler". Would you assume that either of those
two particular breeds of animals preached whislt juggling?
Anywho, It's not like it really matters now does it?
-Paul
Daniele Caselli
> 8 rings
> Me, because I have this cool 8 fat ring bounce multiplex trick, and nobody
> else bothers to do tricks with 8 rings.
Are you sure? :)
Look here, it deserves:
http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/8ringsWball2-9.mov.mov-binhex.hqx?a=downloadFile&user=anthonygatto&path=.Public/8ringsWball2-9.mov
Lemonkey
I've heard of DsAds, and two of my DS friends know him. He's good, but
I'm not one for the contactDS and cigar-boxesque moves I've heard he does.
My friend Chris Adams is damn good with the sticks.
jonudry
> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
> think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
> put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
> endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
> patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
> 5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
> would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
> comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
> list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
> would be featured. Here's the list:
>
> 3 balls
> 4 balls
Rossy
> 5 balls
thomas dietz
> 6 balls
Ben beever
> 7 balls
Ben beever or Thmoas dietz
> 8 balls
Gatto
> 9 balls
Gatto
> 5, 6 ,7 , 8, 9 rings
Sergie Ignatov
> 3 clubs
Owen Reynolds, Malte Steinmetz, or Robin Gunney
> 4 clubs
Toby walker
> 5 clubs
Toby Walker
> 6 clubs
> 7 clubs
Gatto
> ball bouncing
> cigar boxes
> 1 devil stick
> 2 devil sticks
> 1 diabolo
> 2 diabolos
> 3 diabolos
> ball spinning
> hat juggling
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups
> lasso
> ping pong spitting
> contact juggling
> tennis balls and can
> plate juggling
> Most Orignial Juggler
> Most Versatile Juggler
Luke burrage
> Funniest Juggler
Jason Garfield
> Most Artistic Juggler
Manu Laude
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Arron S
of who I have seen.
3 balls Maksim.
5 balls Thomas Dietz
7 rings Sergey Ignatov
8 rings Sergey Ignatov
9 rings Sergey Ignatov
5 clubs Vova Galchenko
6 clubs Toby Walker, Thomas Dietz
7 clubs Toby Walker, Thomas Dietz, Vova Galchenko
2 devil sticks Markus Furtner
1 diabolo Ryo Yabe
2 diabolos (John ;) )
3 diabolos (Guy long ago) now Ryo Yabe
shaker cups Guy Heathcote
lasso Guy Heathcote
ping pong spitting Rod Laver
contact juggling Matt Henman
Most Orignial Juggler Jay
Most Versatile Juggler Guy
Funniest Juggler Steve Rawlings
Most Artistic Juggler Victor Kee
Otherwise I suspect Gatto would have come first in many of those
catogories.
Arron
Brian Gadomski
Dave Kelly
> 4 balls
Anthony Peterson for sure >_> <_<
> 5 balls
Thomas Dietz
> 6 balls
Peter Bone
> 7 balls
Thomas Dietz
> 8 balls
> 9 balls
Luke Burrage (love the "flash" mentality)
> 5 rings
Props to Norbi making me want to juggle rings. His creativity is good too.
> 6 rings
Thomas Dietz (the big siteswaps are fresh)
> 7 rings
Sergei Ignatov Sr.
> 8 rings
Jason Garfield (did Ignatov do this outside of practice?)
> 9 rings
Sergei Ignatov Sr.
> 3 clubs
Malte Steinmetz
> 4 clubs
> 5 clubs
Vladimir Galchenko
> 6 clubs
Vladimir Galchenko
> 7 clubs
Thomas Dietz (not for long?)
> ball bouncing
Eden Zak
> cigar boxes
Kris Kremo
> 1 devil stick
> 2 devil sticks
Markus Funter
> 1 diabolo
Sylvestre Dewa
> 2 diabolos
Sean Anderson (he's not the best but he's done alot for diabolo)
> 3 diabolos
Priam Pierret (this guy's stuff is great)
> ball spinning
Francis Brunn
> hat juggling
Kris Kremo
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups
Randy Cabral? (only person I've seen do them well)
> lasso
(not even close to being juggling)
> ping pong spitting
(cmon)
> tennis balls and can
Love Luke Burrage's giant routine.
> Most Orignial Juggler
Jay Gilligan
> Most Versatile Juggler
> Funniest Juggler
Luke Burrage
> Most Artistic Juggler
(What kinda question is that?)
(That's like asking who the most artistic golfer is, oh wait, that's corey
pavin)
(golf? Honestly)
Ok, fine.
Toby Walker
erik_jernqvist
6,8 rings Garfield
5,7,9 rings Ignatov Sr
3,4 clubs Vova
5 clubs Walker
6,7 clubs Dietz
ball bouncing Zak
The Things-I-don't-care-about department
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cigar boxes
1 devil stick
2 devil sticks
1 diabolo
2 diabolos
3 diabolos
ball spinning
hat juggling
hoop rolling
shaker cups
lasso
ping pong spitting
contact juggling
tennis balls and can
plate juggling Juggling
Most Orignial Juggler Gilligan
Most Versatile Juggler Burrage
Funniest Juggler Garfield
Most Artistic Juggler Ignatov Sr
Have fun. Dietz
erik_jernqvist
> 6 balls: Maybe me, I can do many tricks.....is very easy the even numbers
Write some tricks you can do and I'll think about it...
Marden117
> 5 balls - Garfield & Dietz
> 7 balls - Dietz
> 5 rings - Norbi
> 3 clubs - Vova
> 4 clubs - Vova
> 5 clubs - Walker & Dietz
> ball bouncing - Eden Zak
> hat juggling - Little Paul & Dan the Hat
> ping pong spitting - Garfield (only cos he's the only guy I've seen on vid)
> Multiplex Juggling 5-10 balls - Me, cos I'm an arrogant bastard ;-)
glaowski
>
> 3 balls - Bill Berry
> 4 balls -
> 5 balls - Jason Garfield
> 6 balls - Jay Gilligan
> 7 balls - Thomas Dietz
> 8 balls -
> 9 balls -
> 5 rings -
> 6 rings - Norbi
> 7 rings -
> 8 rings -
> 9 rings -
> 3 clubs - Malte Steinmetz
> 4 clubs - Toby Walker
> 5 clubs - Toby Walker
> 7 clubs - [Gatto] Toby Walker
> ball bouncing
> cigar boxes - Matt Hall
> 1 devil stick - Timfoolery
> 2 devil sticks - (all together...) Markus Furtner
> 1 diabolo -
> 2 diabolos - Dave Proctor
> 3 diabolos - One of them french guys
> ball spinning - Victor Rubilar
> hat juggling
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups
> lasso
> ping pong spitting
> tennis balls and can - Erm.. Luke Burrage did it well at a renegade
> plate juggling
> Most Orignial Juggler - Malte Steinmetz
> Most Versatile Juggler - Luke Burrage
> Funniest Juggler - Victor Rubilar
> Most Artistic Juggler - Jay Gilligan
>
> Have fun.
Will do.
All answers based on what I've seen so some of them are probably 'wrong',
and all the guys off of Diabology look the same to me. sort of. keep
working on those splits. no really.
Matt
matthieu
favourite juggler over the internet?"
erik_jernqvist
> again, this polls turns from "Who is the best juggler?" into "Who is your
> favourite juggler over the internet?"
Who cares?
Luke Burrage
There are lots of jugglers who are christians but for me this doesn't make
them "Christian Juggler", they are just people who are christian who also
happen to juggle. You'll probably know loads already, without even knowing
it.
For me a Christian Juggler is someone who uses juggling as way of
communicating a message about Christianity, God, Jesus or other such Bible
based subjects. Juggling is their "ministry", to use the jargon. Some
Christian Jugglers use their skills to gain people's attention and
respect, or to entertain them, and later share a christian message with
their audience. I don't see this as a lack of a christian message, just
because they are not preaching as they throw objects in the air. Tommy
Baker fits into this group.
But then there are other Christian Jugglers who seem to have to validate
their juggling as a form of christian communication/brainwashing
children/evangelism or outreach. For me, juggling is a perfectly valid
form of entertainment by itself and as soon as you try to make it into
something else, (eg. a vehicle for a completely unrelated message) it
makes it far less enjoyable. More importantly, I think that trying to
convey a serious message, like the christian message, through juggling
makes the message seem frivolous, at best. Just imagine trying to warn
people about a plague of killer badgers that are sweeping the nation...
and thinking the best way to do it was writing and performing the
following sketch:
Juggle 5 balls, make sure one of them is red.
Say "These may look just like 5 juggling balls to you, but in fact they
represent Swindon, Coventry, Cirencester, Skegness and the red ball, that
is your home town. Coming from the south is a large swarm of badgers,
intent on death, bloodshead and the suffering of the human race."
Drop a ball
"See that, that was the entire population of Swindon being wiped out by
Darth Badger's Death Sqad..."
How can anyone take that seriously? Why should they, all they see is a
funny* man juggling 5 balls and dropping. Meanwhile, a hoard of hungry
badgers approaches...
So yeah, be a christian and juggle, be a christian juggler too, I don't
mind. But the whole preaching while juggling thing leaves a slightly
funny* taste in my mouth.
Luke
* Probably not actually funny.
Adam
Thanks for elaborating Luke. I can see some advantages to both styles.
Adam
Elias
> 4 balls
> 5 balls - Maksim
> 6 balls - Jay
> 7 balls
> 8 balls
> 9 balls
> 5 rings
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 8 rings
> 9 rings
> 4 clubs - One of those finnish jugglers. or Viktor Gyllenberg
> 5 clubs - Jouni, Matias, Kristian, Toby
> 6 clubs - Matias, ,Kristian, Toby
> 7 clubs - Kristian, Toby
> ball bouncing - Johan Wellton
> cigar boxes - Ville Walo
> 1 devil stick - have never seen anyone good with a develsticks
> 2 devil sticks - not with two either
> 1 diabolo - those "baugettte" guys
> 2 diabolos - look above
> 3 diabolos - Lena is good
> ball spinning - Francis Brunn
> hat juggling
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups
> lasso
> contact juggling - Michael Moschen
> tennis balls and can - Hmm... Samuli Menistö (Sakus brother)
> plate juggling
> Most Orignial Juggler - Jay
> Most Versatile Juggler - Jay
> Funniest Juggler - Michel Menes, Viktor Gyllenberg
> Most Artistic Juggler - strange catagory...
Perhaps there were some new names there for all you internet jugglers out
there :)
/elias
Daniel Holzman
I'm sure the people David performs for know all about the upcoming badger
plague, and enjoy seeing how the message of it's coming can be woven into an
entertaining presentation. I personally need a little more proof of a
speakers veracity then a solid five ball cascade before I will barricade my
home, and start training my army of attack Dachshunds.
Dan
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David Cain
Luke,
In my over 1500 gigs at churches, no one has ever told me that my use
of juggling diminishes the message I'm sharing or makes it seem
"frivolous." On the contrary, I keep so busy doing my ministry because
audiences almost universally agree that the juggling clarifies and adds
a powerful visual component to what I'm saying. I've worked very, very
hard to develop a ministry that combines a well thought out message
with high quality juggling through a professional and entertaining
presentation. The result is that the message and the juggling
compliment and enhance each other. I've been told by many people,
young and old, that my juggling routines are the clearest presentation
of the Christian message that they have ever been exposed to. At best
you've seen two, one minute routines of mine via my website.
Considering that I have 6 hours of material that I can share, this is
not a great sample to base your conclusions on. You're certainly
entitled to your opinions, but I think that you're missing a lot of the
picture. Which reminds me of the time about 10 months ago when you
complained about my participation in the IJA judging. You made a
number of statements about me to back up your complaints that turned
out to be completely wrong. For a reminder of what I'm talking about,
check out
http://www.juggle.org/discussion/archives/9206.html
On the topic of Luke and lack of information, I have a question. I've
only seen you in person at last year's IJA fest. I've watched some of
your videos as well, but I can't recall ever seeing you do anything
other than balls, clubs, and a little diabolo. I'm sure you do more,
but I'm the one lacking info this time. You've been mentioned several
times on this list as the most versatile juggler, so I was wondering
what all you do? I perform over 30 types of juggling related skills
and haven't been mentioned, so I'm just curious what all you perform.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious or anything,: I really am genuinely
curious. Thanks.
David Cain
www.christianjuggler.com
Luke Burrage
> Thanks Dan.
> Luke,
> In my over 1500 gigs at churches, no one has ever told me that my use
> of juggling diminishes the message I'm sharing or makes it seem
> "frivolous."
Hey David,
You seem to be taking what I am saying very personally but I don't think I
have mentioned you or your work so far in this thread. You have obviously
found a performance style that suits you and that you can successfully
sell to audiences, so who am I to say what you do is bad? Just some guy
with another opinion. Of course nobody in a church will ever tell you that
juggling diminishes the a serious message, because you are only performing
to people who like that kind of thing. If you were getting complaints I'm
sure you'd find a different audience, or get a different style of
performance, but as things are you can carry on as you like.
And just to say now that I have nothing against your juggling skills at
all. You are obviously a really, really good juggler. However, that means
very little during the rest of this post.
> On the contrary, I keep so busy doing my ministry because
> audiences almost universally agree that the juggling clarifies and adds
> a powerful visual component to what I'm saying. I've worked very, very
> hard to develop a ministry that combines a well thought out message
> with high quality juggling through a professional and entertaining
> presentation. The result is that the message and the juggling
> compliment and enhance each other. I've been told by many people,
> young and old, that my juggling routines are the clearest presentation
> of the Christian message that they have ever been exposed to.
Good for you. Seriously. If it works, you might as well stick to it.
> At best
> you've seen two, one minute routines of mine via my website.
You are right, that is all I have seen of your work, and to be honest it
is really, really bad. You take two tricks, 5 ball juggling and a 5 ring
colour change, and turn them from two really cool juggling tricks into two
really tedious experiences. A ring colour change is a really great trick!
It stands out in any juggling routine filled with more technical skills
and amazes both jugglers and non jugglers, but when you did it while going
on about sin and juggled 5 balls while talking about people dying, it just
doesn't appeal to me any more. It sort of turns me off juggling
completely. Of course it appeals to people in church, they are happy with
all kinds of naff entertainment. Believe me, I know. I used to work for
GOD TV.
If the promotional video on your website isn't a good indication of what
you do in your shows, why are you using it? If you have a whole load of
better material, let us see that instead.
> Considering that I have 6 hours of material that I can share, this is
> not a great sample to base your conclusions on. You're certainly
> entitled to your opinions, but I think that you're missing a lot of the
> picture.
But I just checked out the "routines" page on your websites, and as far as
I can tell things don't get much better. I know that performance ideas on
paper don't always look good or reflect the true spirit of the piece, so
maybe I should give you the benifit of the doubt. Maybe "a routine using
five clubs to discuss the fact that Jesus demonstrated His love for us by
dying on the cross in our place" is just the greatest piece of
communication I've ever not seen, but I've got to base my opinions on
something, and your website is all I have at the moment. It might go down
a storm in front of a sunday school group, but to me sounds quite... um..
I have no words for it. What can I say? Juggling 5 clubs is great! Someone
dying for me because they love me so much is great! Combine the two and...
g'ah!
I may be missing a lot of the picture, but I've seen bit of it. I wasn't
going to comment on it but I guess you more or less asked me to.
> Which reminds me of the time about 10 months ago when you
> complained about my participation in the IJA judging. You made a
> number of statements about me to back up your complaints that turned
> out to be completely wrong. For a reminder of what I'm talking about,
> check out
> http://www.juggle.org/discussion/archives/9206.html
Aha, you mean when I thought you were a bad choice of a judge for an
international juggling competition? Well, I may have got my facts wrong
but as it turns out my opinion hasn't changed on that one. After catching
a glimps of your work and what you regard to be "excellent", "unique",
"innovative", "stylish", and "a treat to watch", I think less and less of
your appointment as someone with a say on over $3,000 of prize money.
> On the topic of Luke and lack of information, I have a question. I've
> only seen you in person at last year's IJA fest. I've watched some of
> your videos as well, but I can't recall ever seeing you do anything
> other than balls, clubs, and a little diabolo. I'm sure you do more,
> but I'm the one lacking info this time. You've been mentioned several
> times on this list as the most versatile juggler, so I was wondering
> what all you do? I perform over 30 types of juggling related skills
> and haven't been mentioned, so I'm just curious what all you perform.
> I'm not trying to be obnoxious or anything,: I really am genuinely
> curious. Thanks.
Is this some kind of reverse-troll move? If so, it seems a bit weak. I'll
bite anyway.
At the moment the skills I perform are typically balls, clubs and a bit of
diabolo. In the past I've performed with rings, hats, tennis ball and can
stuff, unicycle, rola bola, poi (rocket powered and non-rocket powered),
sun glasses, "dangerous" balances, etc, etc, etc. However, I don't think
the people who put me down as the most versatile juggler had a list of
different props with boxes to tick in mind, even if you did when you wrote
the original post.
It could be down to two reasons, or a combination of both. The first is
that with a single prop, lets say balls, I don't just do one kind of
juggling. Just in performance I have whole routines (not just tricks) more
or less ready to perform using the following skils:
100% original 2 ball routine
3 ball routines in various styles
3 balls blind plus 4 and 5 balls blind
4 ball patterns
4 big balls technical
3, 4 and 5 big tennis balls (plus tennis ball and can)
technical 4 and 5 big ball juggling
technical 5 ball
technical 5, 6 and 7 ball
numbers 1-9
8 balls
numbers routine with 8 to 10 balls
And that is just some things I could perform with a day's notice with just
me and a cd player. In the past I've done other things with balls on stage
too, and the list doesn't include various comedy routines that are more
about comedy than the juggling content. And then you've got to consider
all the things I do with balls that I have rarely performed that people
have only seen me do in person or on videos. Then think of all the
different things I've done with clubs, rings, diabolo and other props.
Admittedly I perform more with balls than other props, but mainly because
I've been doing that for longer and more consistently.
The second reason why people might have put my name down is because I can
fill a large variety of roles on stage. If you want a host for a show, I
can do it. If you want a purely technical ball-ring-club routine to close
the show, I can do that too. I can also do shorter, less technical single
prop routines for half way through a show. I can do artistic routines to
prog rock soundtracks (WAY up my own backside). I can do purely physical
comedy juggling routines. I can do talking comedy routines with or without
audience participation. I also specialise in mixed media routines,
combining juggling with video projection/original music/spoken word/etc.
In other words, if you need a certain kind of act in your show, I can
probably fill the gap. I even performed a unicycle act at the British
Unicycle Convention this year, and managed to get away with it.
Performing over 30 different skills in exactly the same format in the same
way to the same audience with the same message doesn't make you a
versatile juggler. To be a really versatile juggler, especially a
performer, someone should be able to throw you on stage with nothing,
throw you nothing, and you should still be able to perform and entertain
by juggling. Thankfully for my audiences this hasn't happened yet, or else
they would have to suffer my as yet unseen "own head contact juggling
(palm rolling is a bitch)" and "one hand in one hand juggling (drops are
rare but can happen)" routines. In the same situation, what would you do?
Quote scriptures at us?
I'm not trying to be obnoxious or anything,: I really am genuinely curious.
Thanks.
Luke
David Cain
Thanks for replying. First of all, I want you to know that I really
wasn't trying to pull a reverse-troll or anything of the kind. I
really was curious as to what all you did. The limited number of
routines I've seen you do were creative, well executed, and
entertaining. I just didn't know the scope of your skills; that's all.
I wasn't trying to diss you.
Regarding my routines, I understand that you don't like them. The
routines on my website are two of my earliest and still favorite
routines, but the reason they're on the promo video is because they're
so short. True, they don't reflect the comedy, audience participation,
and storytelling aspects of what I do, but people still say they like
the routines very much. One of the first things that Thomas Dietz said
to me when we first met was how much he liked the five ball routine
that you described as "really, really bad." I'm just trying to point
out that other people don't necessarily agree with your opinion. Even
unchurched, non-Christian audience members have told me how much they
enjoy my shows. I was a professional juggler long before I started
doing the ministry, so my performance skills are not limited to just
quoting Scriptures at you.
I've got to take my wife to the doctor now, so I'll finish this later.
Thanks.
David Cain
David Cain
I'm back. To address a last few issues: I don't perform my various
juggling skills in all the same format to all the same audiences with
all the same message. Every routine I do has a different message and
are not all cookie cutter repetitive routines. Some are serious, but
most have a lot of humor. For more about my routines and ministry,
just look in the next Juggle Magazine.
Regarding my qualifications as an IJA Stage Championships judge, I'm at
a loss to understand your logic. I can understand not likely my
Christian juggling routines, but this should be less subjective. You
said, "After catching
a glimps of your work and what you regard to be "excellent", "unique",
"innovative", "stylish", and "a treat to watch", I think less and less
of
your appointment as someone with a say on over $3,000 of prize money."
Those quotes were not my own words but those of Juggler's World
Magazine writers describing my Stage Championship performances. I
think that the broad skill base I have, my understanding of juggling
and performance, and the two gold, two silver, and one bronze medal
I've won in the Stage Championships would qualify me as a judge in
those same competitions.
David Cain
adremeaux
David Cain wrote:
> I perform over 30 types of juggling related skills
> and haven't been mentioned
Just so you know, Mr. Cain, I was planning on picking you for most
versatile but I didn't really feel like I knew enough about enough of
the categories to actually vote. But from what I've seen, you do do an
awful lot, and it's quite good.
-andy
www.andydremeaux.com
David Cain
are among the most versatile jugglers in regards to the number of types
of juggling at which they're proficient.
David Cain
www.christianjuggler.com
Jason Perry
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> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
3 balls - Robin Gunney, Michael Menes
4 balls - Jason Garfield
5 balls
6 balls
7 balls - Ignatov, just for the size of them!
8 balls - Thomas Dietz
9 balls
5 rings - Ignatov
6 rings - Ignatov, Alexander Kiss
7 rings - Ignatov
8 rings
9 rings - Ignatov
3 clubs - Owen Reynolds, Malte Steinmetz
4 clubs - Evgeni Biljauer
5 clubs - Evgeni Biljauer, Ignatov, Paul Ponce
6 clubs - Toby Walker
7 clubs - Toby Walker
ball bouncing - Rudy Horn
cigar boxes - Tim Kelly
1 devil stick
2 devil sticks
1 diabolo
2 diabolos
3 diabolos
hoop rolling - Bob Bramson
shaker cups - Randy Cabral
lasso
ping pong spitting
contact juggling - Matt Hennem
tennis balls and can - Tim Kelly, Rene Albert
plate juggling - Rastelli
Most Orignial Juggler - Maksim, Jay Gilligan
Most Versatile Juggler - Guy Heathcote
Funniest Juggler - Michael Davis, Jason Garfield, oh and Luke Burrage, but
not for the reasons he hopes I would mean.
Most Artistic Juggler - Francis Brunn
So, how many did I get right?
Jason.
JohnnyHepps
Absolutely out of you´re minds!!
I see better juggling in my bedroom every night.
Johnny.
Jason Kollum wrote:
> David Cain wrote:
> > Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> > who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> > juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
> > think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
> > put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
> > endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
> > patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
> > 5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
> > would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
> > comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
> > list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> > him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
> > would be featured. Here's the list:
> >
> > 3 balls (Neil Stammer Andrew Allen, Jay Gilligan, Sean McKinney come to
mind)
> > 4 balls
> > 5 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> > 6 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> > 7 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> > 8 balls
> > 9 balls (Thomas Dietz)
> > 5 rings (Sergey Ignatov, Jr.)
> > 6 rings
> > 7 rings (Dick Franco, 7 ring color change, into 7 from an assistant
handing each off)
> > 8 rings
> > 9 rings
> > 3 clubs (Marioi Berousek, Wally Eastwood, Paul Ponce)
> > 4 clubs
> > 5 clubs (Ewegeni Bilauer)
> > 6 clubs
> > 7 clubs (Since Gatto is not an option, perhaps others who can flash it in
performance...Mario Berousek, Claudius Sprecht come to mind....)
> > ball bouncing (Eden Zak, Emiley Carey)
> > cigar boxes (Kris Kremo, Shirley Dean)
> > 1 devil stick
> > 2 devil sticks
> > 1 diabolo (Donald Grant, Rio Yabe)
> > 2 diabolos
> > 3 diabolos (Rio Yabe)
> > ball spinning (Sean Blue, Michael Chirrick)
> > hat juggling (Three way tie--Kris Kremo, Shirley Dean, Tuan Lee)
> > hoop rolling (#1 Bob Bramson, #2 Carter Brown)
> > shaker cups (Tuey Wilson)
> > lasso
> > ping pong spitting (#1 Picaso Jr., #2 Rod Laver, although perhaps Dick
Franco and Rod Laver are tied, though Rod does really cool variations with 3
balls and flashes 8)
> > contact juggling (Michael Moschen)
> > tennis balls and can (Dan Bennet, Dan Holzman)
> > plate juggling (if thrown as frisbees, then Gran Picaso, then Picaso Jr.)
> > Most Orignial Juggler (Jay Gilligan, Michael Moschen)
> > Most Versatile Juggler (Jay Gilligan)
> > Funniest Juggler (I like Rhys Thomas)
> > Most Artistic Juggler (Jay Gilligan)
> >
> > Have fun.
> >
> > David Cain
> > www.christianjuggler.com
sylphskin
JohnnyHepps wrote:
> You´re all insane!
> Absolutely out of you´re minds!!
> I see better juggling in my bedroom every night.
> Johnny.
What? only in your dreams mate :P
3 balls Barak - Reuven + Jay Gilligan
Contact Juggling - Ewan Uno
Only ones I really care about just now...
Jake Rollnick
and jugglers, what i've seen of michael menes with three balls is superb.
In one of his video's i could do all of the tricks, but it was his style,
humour, and fluid ability that made him leaps and bounds better than
anything i have seen which iswhich could fit into the same category. Thats
some achievment, to make three balls as impressive as five. Top class!
Cheers,
Jake
Adam
Luke Burrage wrote:
>
> Hey David,
>
> You seem to be taking what I am saying very personally but I don't think I
> have mentioned you or your work so far in this thread.
Now come on, Luke. That's like me saying I hate technical jugglers who
think they are cool because they can do a 360 under 7 clubs and then
claim I wasn't talking about Gatto. Obviously David Cain's material
was on your mind when you made those comments.
> Of course nobody in a church will ever tell you that
> juggling diminishes the a serious message, because you are only performing
> to people who like that kind of thing.
?! I don't know about England, but in America people from all walks of
life and tastes in entertainment go to church.
> It sort of turns me off juggling
> completely. Of course it appeals to people in church, they are happy with
> all kinds of naff entertainment. Believe me, I know. I used to work for
> GOD TV.
Not only does working GOD TV give you the authority to criticize the
WJF programing, but also gives you insight into every single church
member across the globe? Must have been some experience.
>
> If the promotional video on your website isn't a good indication of what
> you do in your shows, why are you using it? If you have a whole load of
> better material, let us see that instead.
I guess some people would share that view with regards to your manic
juggling video.
:-)
Adam
itshim
> Aha, you mean when I thought you were a bad choice of a judge for an
> international juggling competition? Well, I may have got my facts wrong
> but as it turns out my opinion hasn't changed on that one. After catching
> a glimps of your work and what you regard to be "excellent", "unique",
> "innovative", "stylish", and "a treat to watch", I think less and less of
> your appointment as someone with a say on over $3,000 of prize money.
>
Luke, your posts are degenerating to personal insult and you are then
denying it by stating that you aren't mentioning a person by name. You are
then compounding your insults when David is obviously doing his best not to
react to them the first time. I find your last post fails to be
'innovative', 'stylish', 'excellent' or 'a treat to watch'. It is, like much
of your stuff, 'unique'.
I would add that my knowledge of David is much less than yours being
entirely composed of his persona on this newsgroup. My knowledge of you is
much greater and has not previously included a belief that you went out of
your way to be unpleasant other than in an obvious troll. In fact my
previous opinion of your character had you as a pleasant and helpful person.
Nigel
Jason Perry
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> Luke Burrage wrote:
>> If the promotional video on your website isn't a good indication of what
>> you do in your shows, why are you using it? If you have a whole load of
>> better material, let us see that instead.
>
> I guess some people would share that view with regards to your manic
> juggling video.
But you have to remember that it wasn't "Luke" juggling in that, merely a
character he was portraying. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing the
character that does the technically excellent, clinically, yet gracefully,
executed juggling, all done with their mouth not doing some weird imitation
of a goldfish. Now *that* would be something new!
Jason.
Jason.
Jason Perry
news:d8niah$sd2$1...@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
Hmm, seems like there's an echo in here.
Jason (the first one).
Luke Holman
> 3 balls - Jay
> 4 balls - Ross the poet
> 5 balls - Thomas
> 6 balls - Ben or Thomas
> 7 balls - Ben or Thomas
> 8 balls - Bruce (shower?!)
> 9 balls
> 5 rings
> 6 rings
> 7 rings
> 9 rings
> 3 clubs - Robin
> 4 clubs - Toby
> 5 clubs - Toby
> 6 clubs - Toby
> 7 clubs - Toby
> ball bouncing - Eden
> cigar boxes - Matt
> 1 devil stick - That Geordie lass
> 2 devil sticks - Markus
> 1 diabolo
> 2 diabolos
> 3 diabolos
> ball spinning
> hoop rolling
> shaker cups
> lasso
> contact juggling
> tennis balls and can
> Most Orignial Juggler - Peapots
> Most Versatile Juggler - The late Bobby
> Funniest Juggler - Jay
> Most Artistic Juggler - Ryan, eh?
----== posted via www.jugglingdb.com ==----
millsmessman
(That is not a site swap Luke).
Luke relax! Chill! you are a very pleasant guy. Get some sun. Didn't you
bless your meal? Oh well it looked like it. (at the Asian joint) I loved
the evil jungle princess chicken!
Luke work on some of Malte's stuff!
To you both... Wow like I have not been here! two opposing sides... both
feel right. Luke, you will not change David and his opinion ... or I will
drive down to see what is up. David, sounds like a hardened heart and we
do not want to make it thicker.
I saw Luke perform at the Rochester Juggling thing... Wow, cannot say
enough about the show!
I saw David at a School... Wow David is amazing and funny and delivers a
great message. Ran 6 clubs very well! Awesome 4 club stuff! to much to
mention.
Quit the bickering or you will not be able to talk to eachothers children.
I love you both. (fish)
steve
David Cain
I'm done for now anyway. Thanks for looking out for us. I don't
usually get so defensive, but I'm just a little tired of of the David
Cain / Christian juggler bashing that seems to pop up on rec.juggling
every 6 months or so. I hope you and the family are doing well. Talk
to you later.
David Cain
sylphskin
juggling that people feel enhances the christian message.
in my opinion (which may not be worth much) religion is a very personal
thing, and I believe that each individual should have the choices laid out
for them in a very simple way and then be left to make up their own mind
about what they believe.
it just seems to me (and what may or may not lie behind all the aggro
here) is that only a few branches/areas/sects (don't know what they are
called - no offense meant) of christianity attempt to link everything they
do to religion/God, and after a while, people who are not as strong in
that belief tend to get a bit tired of it.
eg. are there a muslim/hindu/buddhist jugglers associations?
if so, i withdraw that remark :P
nobody is knocking the belief itself, people are entitled to believe
whatever they want (obviously) but having something you have decided you
do not believe in pushed in your face all the time can get a little
irritating.
whilst here i understand that david did not bring it up first, and
therefore in this particular instance that is not the case, this brings me
back to the original question. why juggling and christianity?
thanks,
oli
David Cain
Christian evangelists to all newsgroups. Others have resulted from
someone merely inquiring about resources regarding Christian juggling.
In this instance, it was merely the presence of my web address in my
sig. I make it a habit not to interject my faith into rec.juggling
other than in response to others' questions or comments, and then only
reluctantly. This is because rec.juggling is a forum about juggling,
not religion.
There is a Jewish Jugglers Association and a Christian Jugglers
Association. There are Buddhists who tie in their faith with their
juggling as well. Certainly some new age followers have done the same.
I see no direct tie between juggling and Christianity. I just
think that juggling is an effective way of adding a clarifying visual
component to a message. For me, that message happens to be about my
Christian faith. For others, their message is about eating healthy,
saying no to drugs, fighting globalism, buying a certain product, etc..
I don't see anyone on rec.juggling pushing their faith into anyone's
face. The only posts I've seen like that come from outside this
newsgroup.
David Cain
www.christianjuggler.com
sylphskin
As we've both said, you didn't bring it up, and therefore I agree with
most of what you've said. I would still like another explanation of:
> I see no direct tie between juggling and Christianity. I just
> think that juggling is an effective way of adding a clarifying visual
> component to a message. For me, that message happens to be about my
> Christian faith.
because I personally see no tie at all between juggling and expressing
any message. In fact IMHO it would seems to me to go (mildly) against the
virtue of being humble because all performance really is is a way of going
"look at me! look at me!"
Especially since the aggro in this post at one point decended into "I can
do this and this and this, what can you do?" (mimes thumbing nose at
opponent)
- again I stress you didn't start that, and I can appreciate wanting to
defend your point of view in light of what you said about it happening
every six months or so - me being new to this forum i wouldn't know about
that.
> For others, their message is about eating healthy,
> saying no to drugs, fighting globalism, buying a certain product, etc..
i perform as an extra attraction for some local companies, in particular a
photography company, with a kind of moth drawn to candleflame effect, in
that people see me juggling, wander over because it looks interesting, and
then the company kicks in their sales pitch (eg. taking a photo next to
the jugglers)
is this the sort of thing you mean?
> I don't see anyone on rec.juggling pushing their faith into anyone's
> face. The only posts I've seen like that come from outside this
> newsgroup.
I agree - the problem I think is that some people get so tired of it in
other places that they jump on it whenever they get the chance. I also
agree that this isn't the place for it :P
Thanks again,
Little Paul
> I make it a habit not to interject my faith into rec.juggling
> other than in response to others' questions or comments, and then only
> reluctantly. This is because rec.juggling is a forum about juggling,
> not religion.
And you know what? In my opinion this puts you *way* above many other
"christian jugglers" (in all senses of the phrase) - You have a very
obvious sense of whats appropriate and where, and I for one admire that!
:-)
> There is a Jewish Jugglers Association and a Christian Jugglers
> Association. There are Buddhists who tie in their faith with their
> juggling as well. Certainly some new age followers have done the same.
I know a few pagans that have done pagan themed juggling routines, and
no doubt other religions are equally represented. That's what I like
about jugglers. They're such a diverse bunch.
> I see no direct tie between juggling and Christianity. I just
> think that juggling is an effective way of adding a clarifying visual
> component to a message. For me, that message happens to be about my
> Christian faith. For others, their message is about eating healthy,
> saying no to drugs, fighting globalism, buying a certain product, etc..
Look, will you *please* stop talking sense.
> I don't see anyone on rec.juggling pushing their faith into anyone's
> face. The only posts I've seen like that come from outside this
> newsgroup.
I've seen (and been a victim of) religious based attacks from
rec.jugglers whose beliefs don't agree with mine - but thankfully
they are few and far between, and well, the evangelical minority have
just as much right to believe what they do as anyone else so it doesn't
really bother me. At least, not as much as people posting asking for
help with their 5 ball pattern. ;-)
Anywho, are you collating the results of this survey? When can we see
some results? I've found it very interesting so far (and I normally
*hate* survey threads). I'd especially like to see a "top 5" for each
category (assuming a category has 5 entries!)
There seems to be some very definate splits between nationalities and ages
of jugglers which really just reflect the type/amount of juggling that
the participants have been exposed to... I'm going to try and track down
footage of jugglers mentioned that I've not previously heard of.
-Paul
Still perplexed by the people who think he's the best hat juggler - what
are people basing this assesment on?
sylphskin
juggler 'versatile'.
I don't know about anyone else, but I would say that being able to juggle
a wide variety of props makes you a versatile prop juggler, whereas being
able to do a million different tricks/routines/styles with 3 balls makes
you a very versatile 3 ball juggler...
but it the case of 'the best' it seems like you would have to take the
second option, because whoever holds whatever ridiculous world record for
the widest variety of props ever juggled would have to be number one in
that field :P
cheers now,
JohnnyHepps
> JohnnyHepps wrote:
> > You´re all insane!
> > Absolutely out of you´re minds!!
> > I see better juggling in my bedroom every night.
> > Johnny.
>
> What? only in your dreams mate :P
>
> 3 balls Barak - Reuven + Jay Gilligan
> Contact Juggling - Ewan Uno
>
> Only ones I really care about just now...
>
>
Barak is ugly and I find it's weird that he has three nuts, some might
like it but I just can't. Jay's just building his weight a bit too much
for me!
The only juggling I like, is when a pretty French girl bounces on me,
dreaming or not, it's all good!
And here is the idea of juggling. Getting where I am every night. Thats
why people juggle, or do anything with arts, and that's the truth!
When you go deep inside yourself, and look closely, that is what you'll
find for a reason.
Don't try to deny.
And when we're discussing about how good a Juggler is, we only should
discuss about his bouncer skills, meaning how much bouncing he get's, and
how.
Points should be given by the look and experience of the one being bounced.
And for those who are doing the work, you really sohuld pay a little
attention on your manners, and your smelliness, and on your looks!
Because when it comes down to giving points, we don't want to see a fat
guy with three balls swinging!!
millsmessman
Simply put.... Philipians 4:13
God does not need defense (He can take care of that Himself) The lord
deserves praise and thanks. God is sovereign.
If hearing of the Lord bothers you, He may be tugging at your heart,
otherwise just ignore the reference if someone posts it here. Juggling is
a hobby that brings us to the site, I come here and am not bothered by
some of the language etc... that is just some peoples character. Please do
not worry about the character of the people or your are self-refuting your
stance on letting everyone have their beliefs and attitudes.
To let everyone have their rights and not shove out opinions you would
have to not say anything at all and just observe with no emotion about
anything.
Try it... tougher than 7 up 360 with clubs!
that is all for me. hope this comes close to answering your question. I am
neither anoyed or outraged at any of this so.... rant on or kiss and make
up- cheers!
Steve
xfirebladex
<snip some long weird post>
I reiterate, that's pretty weird, and random.
Chiok
www.gravityvomit.co.uk
(can i change my hat flourisher to Kris Kremo now that I've seen some of
his stuff? And LP, it's because you're Mr Tricks With Hats, for most
people that's plenty.)
Dave Barnes
> JohnnyHepps wrote:
> And LP, it's because you're Mr Tricks With Hats, for most
> people that's plenty.)
In that case, it's quite amusing that nobody seems to have chosen Mike,
who is in most of the videos on TWH.
Dave
David Cain
again, there's no natural tie between lots of art forms and a message,
but we see it often in other art forms. As far as performing in
general as being un-Christian because it's not humble, I guess that
depends on the performer and their attitude and motivation. Finally,
some jugglers are used to attract people to a product while others
actually integrate a sales pitch into their juggling when they're doing
some kinds of corporate work.
David Cain
David Cain
haven't posted my own opinions, so I'll have to do that first.
David
Little Paul
> xfirebladex wrote:
>> JohnnyHepps wrote:
>> And LP, it's because you're Mr Tricks With Hats, for most
>> people that's plenty.)
>
> In that case, it's quite amusing that nobody seems to have chosen Mike,
> who is in most of the videos on TWH.
And indeed has written most of the content.[1] In terms of the website,
I'm just the one that does all the promotion for the site, and the one that
wrote the backend code that runs the site.
Mikes the one with the tallent, I'm just the vocal one :-)
-Paul
[1] if anyone cares, the following is the breakdown as far as the
database is concerned:
select count(*) from content where upper(author)='LP';
+----------+
| count(*) |
+----------+
| 23 |
+----------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
select count(*) from content where upper(author)='MIKE';
+----------+
| count(*) |
+----------+
| 71 |
+----------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)
So Mike has written almost 3 times as much content as I have. Note,
some of my content includes the hat facts and various writeups of videos
that actually feature Mike.
sylphskin
Fair enough :) As I said, it's only my opinion that about
performance/humility and it is quite a black and white one on an issue
that most people would probably prefer to leave grey (if that makes any
sense)
but as to:
Finally,
> some jugglers are used to attract people to a product while others
> actually integrate a sales pitch into their juggling when they're doing
> some kinds of corporate work.
>
> David Cain
- I find it very interesting. my point is that I understand that in terms
of sales, but i don't feel that something as serious as religion should be
'marketed' in the same way as a product; in either of the ways you suggest.
what do you think?
i ought to say - feel free to email me if you don't fancy talking about it
here - especially seeing as we both seem to agree this isn't the place for
it :P but i would like to hear your opinion.
thanks,
David Cain
do with religion. I was talking about jugglers who actually are hired
by companies to use their juggling to sell actually products or to
represent the company in some way. I'm not marketing religion, just
sharing it using juggling. Thanks.
David Cain
adremeaux
millsmessman wrote:
> Simply put.... Philipians 4:13
>
> God does not need defense (He can take care of that Himself) The lord
> deserves praise and thanks. God is sovereign.
>
> If hearing of the Lord bothers you, He may be tugging at your heart,
>
> ...
>
> To let everyone have their rights and not shove out opinions you would
> have to not say anything at all and just observe with no emotion about
> anything.
>
> Try it... tougher than 7 up 360 with clubs!
Hmm yeah, you seem to have proven that yourself. Haven't you learned
after all these years that quoting verse at people currently arguing
over it will just throw things even farther off?
I heartily agree with what LP said about David Cain showing amazing
composure: for the amount of flack he regularly takes on this group it
is phenominal. So congrats to him.
Mr. Mills, on the other hand...
-andy
www.andydremeaux.com
millsmessman
I found a great spinning ball at wall mart. It is dimpled so it may not be
prefered by some. It has a good rotation without any ossilation. They look
like soccer balls and are sold as such (along with two cones) they cost
5.?? and are a great top ball for a stack. They are an awesome ball for
the head bounce as well as juggling. Perfect for in and out of 4 or 5 with
a bounce. They are white with red, black or blue. There may be more colors
but they only had 6 at the wall mart where we stopped.
steve
>
>
> -andy
> www.andydremeaux.com
David Cain
3 balls Stefan Sing, Jay Gilligan
4 balls Sean Gandini
5 balls Thomas Dietz
6 balls Jay Gilligan
7 balls Thomas Dietz
8 balls Thomas Dietz
9 balls Thomas Dietz
5 rings Jay Gilligan
6 rings Jason Garfield
7 rings Ignatov
8 rings Garfield
9 rings Dana Tison
3 clubs Jay Gilligan
4 clubs Jay Gilligan, Dietz, Me?
5 clubs Vova, Paul Ponce (best act)
6 clubs Toby Walker (so many different patterns)
7 clubs Dietz, Toby
ball bouncing Eden Zak
cigar boxes Jeff Daymont
1 devil stick Aaron Bonk
2 devil sticks Marcus Furtner
1 diabolo ? Matt Hall
2 diabolos Antonin Hartz
3 diabolos Tony Frebourg
ball spinning Sean Blue (incredible), Tuey Wilson
hat juggling Kris Kremo
hoop rolling Carter Brown
shaker cups Dan Holzman, Claudius Spretch, Tuey Wilson
lasso Vince Bruce (Gatto of Lasso)
ping pong spitting Picasso, Jr.
contact juggling ?
tennis balls and can Dan Holzman
plate juggling (don't know anyone but me with an act)
Most Orignial Juggler Jay Gilligan
Most Versatile Juggler Me?, Dan Holzman
Funniest Juggler David Debble
Most Artistic Juggler Jay Gilligan
David Cain
Floris
4 balls -- Sean Gandini
5 balls -- Thomas Dietz
6 balls -- Ben Beever
7 balls -- Ben Beever
8 balls -- Thomas Dietz
9 balls -- Jason Garfield
blabla rings blabla
3 clubs -- Malte Steinmetz
4 clubs -- Malte Steinmetz
5 clubs -- Toby Walker
6 clubs -- Toby Walker
7 clubs -- Thomas Dietz
ball bouncing -- no idea... oh wait Eden
cigar boxes -- don't care
1 devil stick -- don't know
2 devil sticks -- Markus Furtner
1 diabolo -- don't know
2 diabolos -- don't know
3 diabolos -- don't know
ball spinning -- don't care
hat juggling -- don't know
hoop rolling -- don't know
shaker cups -- don't care
lasso -- definitely don't care
ping pong spitting -- don't care
contact juggling -- hmm... Moschen, but I don't like his personality
tennis balls and can -- hahaha
plate juggling -- do you mean plate spinning? Amazing Marcel!
Most Orignial Juggler -- Maksim
Most Versatile Juggler -- David Cain, for his video 'such and such
types of juggling'
Funniest Juggler -- I agree with Mr. Burrage on this one and see what
he means
Most Artistic Juggler -- not sure... maksim? gilligan? kee?
lutkus
> 3 balls - Sam Harford
> 4 balls - Anthony Gatto
> 5 balls - Stefan Sing
> 5 rings - Olga Galchenko
> 3 clubs - Ben Beever
> ball bouncing - Otto Mann
> 1 devil stick - Ryo Yabe
> 2 devil sticks - Toby Walker
> hoop rolling - Larry Vaksman
> shaker cups - Rick Rubenstein
> lasso - Jason Garfield
> ping pong spitting - Michael Moschen
> tennis balls and can - Jay Gilligan
> Most Orignial Juggler - Wally Eastman
> Funniest Juggler - Albert Lucas
Seriously, though....
> 3 balls - Sean McKinney, Michael Menes
> 5 rings - Sergey Ignatov, Jr.
> 3 clubs - Malte Steinmetz, Will Murray
> 4 clubs - Toby Walker
> 5 clubs - Vova Galchenko
> 1 ball 1 funnel and 1 ring - Wes Peden
> ball bouncing - Eden Zak, as well as many in Bouncing in Paris
> cigar boxes - Jeffrey Daymont
> 2 devil sticks - Markus Furtner
> ball spinning - Sean Bleu
> hoop rolling - Bob Bramson
> Most Orignial Juggler - According to a book title, I believe this person
lived about 4000 years ago.
> Most Versatile Juggler - Jay Gilligan
> Most Artistic Juggler - Michael Karas, Denis Paumier
*Note, these rankings are made based on my opinions, and my mood of the
moment. There is really no reason to rank jugglers, unless you're
planning to book a performer, or killing time while pretending to work.
--
Jeff Lutkus
Riky.
> > 3 balls - Maksim Komaro, Erik Åberg, Jens Sigsgard
> > 4 balls
> > 5 balls - Maksim
> > 6 balls - Jay
> > 7 balls
> > 8 balls
> > 9 balls
> > 5 rings
> > 6 rings
> > 7 rings
> > 8 rings
> > 9 rings
> > 4 clubs - One of those finnish jugglers. or Viktor Gyllenberg
> > 5 clubs - Jouni, Matias, Kristian, Toby
> > 6 clubs - Matias, ,Kristian, Toby
> > 7 clubs - Kristian, Toby
> > ball bouncing - Johan Wellton
> > cigar boxes - Ville Walo
> > 1 devil stick - have never seen anyone good with a develsticks
> > 2 devil sticks - not with two either
> > 1 diabolo - those "baugettte" guys
> > 2 diabolos - look above
> > 3 diabolos - Lena is good
> > ball spinning - Francis Brunn
> > hat juggling
> > hoop rolling
> > shaker cups
> > lasso
> > contact juggling - Michael Moschen
> > tennis balls and can - Hmm... Samuli Menistö (Sakus brother)
> > plate juggling
> > Most Orignial Juggler - Jay
> > Most Versatile Juggler - Jay
> > Most Artistic Juggler - strange catagory...
>
> Perhaps there were some new names there for all you internet jugglers out
> there :)
>
> /elias
Sakari Mannisto is one of the guest of I° SARDINIA JUGGLING CONVENTION
13 14 15 June 2008 - Elmas (Cagliari) ITALY
WWW.conventiongiocolierisardegna.it/en
--
Emman
3 balls- Love Ori Roth's style
4 balls- Falco
5 balls- Thomas Dietz
6 balls- Ben Beever
7 balls- Thomas Dietz
8 balls- I don't honestly know... Let's say Daniel Eaker for the fdb97531.
9 balls- Thomas Dietz
5 rings- Sean Blue
6 rings- Sergei Ignatov
7 rings- Sergei Ignatov
8 rings- Sean Blue
9 rings- Sergei Ignatov
3 clubs- Wes Peden
4 clubs- Wes Peden
5 clubs- Vova Galchenko
6 clubs- Vova Galchenko
7 clubs- Vova Galchenko
ball bouncing- Emile carey
cigar boxes- Kris Kremo
1 devil stick- No idea
2 devil sticks- The one and only Markus Furtner
1 diabolo
2 diabolos
3 diabolos- Jacob Sharpe
ball spinning- Sean Blue
hat juggling- Kris Kremo
hoop rolling- Bob Bramson
shaker cups
lasso
ping pong spitting- Picaso Jr
contact juggling- Michael Moschen
tennis balls and can
plate juggling
Most Orignial Juggler- Michael Karas
Most Versatile Juggler- David Cain
Funniest Juggler- Smalls
Most Artistic Juggler- Florent Lestage
Haavard
> Sakari Mannisto is one of the guest of I° SARDINIA JUGGLING CONVENTION
>
> 13 14 15 June 2008 - Elmas (Cagliari) ITALY
>
> WWW.conventiongiocolierisardegna.it/en
>
Why do you post the same reply to every post Sakari is named?
Oh, by the way, Sakari and Sumuli, as well as Toby Walker, Kristian
Wanvik, Frida Brinkman and Wes Peden will be at the 8th Bestcoast festival
in Stavanger, Norway. more info to come soon.
Haavard
> 4 balls - Falco Scheffler
> 5 balls - Joelle Huguenin and Jens Sigsgaard for inspiration, Dietz for
insanity
> 6 balls - Alvaro Palominos, Josiah Jones
> 7 balls - Thomas Dietz, Doug sayers , Daryl Sims
> 8 balls - Vova, Daniel Eaker,
> 9 balls - Thomas Dietz, Toby Walker
> 5 rings - Arash Farhang, Sergey Ignatov jr, Alexander Kulakov(OMG)
> 6 rings - Thomas Dietz , Norbi, Jason Garfield
> 7 rings - Rojic Levicky, Jason Garfield
> 8 rings - Lajos Nereus
> 9 rings - Sergey Ignatov
> 3 clubs - Sskari Mannisto, Toby Walker, Sander
> 4 clubs - Sakari Mannisto, Toto, Wes Peden
> 5 clubs - Toto, Sakari , Wes Peden
> 6 clubs - Patrick Elmert, Toby Walker,
> 7 clubs - Toto, Lajon Nereus, Toby Walker,
> ball bouncing - Ben Jennings, Koke Petit, Eden Zack, Greg Kennedy
> cigar boxes - Eric B. Mcgill, Ryuhan, Matt Hall, Kris KRemo
> 1 devil stick - That guy in the Cornell Fest video..
> 2 diabolos - Pranay, Samuli ,
> 3 diabolos - William , Zack turner
> ball spinning - Tommy Baker, Francis Brunn, David Cain, GLF
> hat juggling - Kris Kremo
> hoop rolling - Bob Bramson
guy..?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLllq_mzQgw&feature=related
> lasso - hm..
> ping pong spitting - Picaso jr.
> contact juggling - Elias Hedlund and Wes Peden (contact juggling with rings
and clubs)
> tennis balls and can - Tim Kelly maybe?
> plate juggling - Enrico Rastelli
> Most Orignial Juggler - Samuli Mannisto, Greg Kennedy, Jay Gillian
> Most Versatile Juggler
> Funniest Juggler - John Nations, Sondre Øverby
> Most Artistic Juggler - Sakari Mannisto OWNS everyone else
,except Wes Peden of course.
Haavard, Norway
dnaygs
> 3 balls - Dave Kelly
> 4 balls - Jens
> 5 balls - Thomas
> 6 balls - Thomas
> 7 balls - Anthony
> 8 balls - Anthony
> 9 balls - Anthony (ok, most of this stuff I can understand is just an
opinion, but come on, Anthony's average run with 9 is probably around 50 or
so, maybe higher for all I know, the second best ever is probably less than
20, I just don't understand what some people are thinking).
> 5 rings - Anthony
> 6 rings - Anthony
> 7 rings - Anthony
> 8 rings - Anthony
> 9 rings - Anthony
> 3 clubs - Vova
> 4 clubs - Vova
> 5 clubs - Vova
> 6 clubs - Anthony
> 7 clubs - Anthony
> ball bouncing - Eden
> cigar boxes - Ryuhan
> 1 devil stick - Markus
> 2 devil sticks - Markus
> 2 diabolos - William
> 3 diabolos - Tony
> ball spinning - Sean (give me a break)
> hat juggling - ?
> hoop rolling - Bob
> shaker cups - I've never seen anyone do anything cool with shaker cups
> lasso - Vince Bruce
> ping pong spitting - Rod
> contact juggling - Some guy on some video who's name I never got
> tennis balls and can - Some other guy on some other video
> plate juggling - plates are dumb
> Most Orignial Juggler - ?
> Most Versatile Juggler - ?
> Funniest Juggler - Josh Casey
> Most Artistic Juggler - Everyone is by far the most artistic juggler ever
>
> Have fun.
>
> David Cain
> www.christianjuggler.com
David Stephens
Nager is the best at every prop and every number.
DAVE NAGER RULEZZZ!!!!!!
- David Stephens
President, Dave Nager Fan Club
To join please e-mail: thebest...@hotmail.com
Adam Rowney
>
>
> > 3 balls - Dave Kelly
> > 4 balls - Jens
> > 5 balls - Thomas
> > 6 balls - Thomas
> > 7 balls - Anthony
> > 8 balls - Anthony
> > 9 balls - Anthony (ok, most of this stuff I can understand is just an
> opinion, but come on, Anthony's average run with 9 is probably around 50 or
> so, maybe higher for all I know, the second best ever is probably less than
> 20, I just don't understand what some people are thinking).
Umm, methinks they were thinking of this rule :P
"One last rule: don't
list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
would be featured."
And wow, your on a first name basis with these jugglers, shame the people
who don't know some of
them can't look them up, lol. Like "Rod" with is ping pong balls ;D
Sondre Øverby
>
>
> > Sakari Mannisto is one of the guest of I° SARDINIA JUGGLING CONVENTION
> >
> > 13 14 15 June 2008 - Elmas (Cagliari) ITALY
> >
> > WWW.conventiongiocolierisardegna.it/en
> >
>
> Why do you post the same reply to every post Sakari is named?
>
> Oh, by the way, Sakari and Sumuli, as well as Toby Walker, Kristian
> Wanvik, Frida Brinkman and Wes Peden will be at the 8th Bestcoast festival
> in Stavanger, Norway. more info to come soon.
>
>
Really?! That is WAY cool. Expect me to be there four times at the same
time.
Sondre Øverby
> Since there are so many types of juggling, I decided to take a poll on
> who jugglers consider to be the best at specific categories of
> juggling. I will list the category and then follow it up with whom you
> think is the best at the category. If you have two contenders, you can
> put both down as a tie or rank them 1 and 2. I'm not looking for
> endurance, but at the overall ability to perform various tricks and
> patterns within the category. For instance, Albert Lucas could juggle
> 5 clubs for 37 minutes but could only do a couple tricks with them. I
> would not rank him very high as a result. If you have no one that
> comes to mind for a category, leave it blank. One last rule: don't
> list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
3 balls - Falco
4 balls - Falco
5 balls - The first two that come to mind are Thomas and Vova, although I
know that the list is so extensive I really don't know who to list. But as
far as I know, they are pretty high up.
6 balls - Vova or Thomas
7 balls - Thomas
8 balls - Thomas
9 balls - Thomas
5 rings - Alexander Kulakov or Sergey Ignatov jr, or sr.
6 rings - Alexander Kulakov
7 rings - Thomas or Sergey Ignatov sr.
8 rings - Jason Garfield, Dana Tison
9 rings - Sergey Ignatov sr. I guess
3 clubs - Vova and Wes
4 clubs - Vova and Wes
5 clubs - Vova and Wes
6 clubs - Vova
7 clubs - Vova, possibly Lajos Nereus
ball bouncing - Robert Moscher III, Eden Zak, Alan Sulc
cigar boxes - ?
1 devil stick - ?
2 devil sticks - Marcus Furtner
1 diabolo - ?
2 diabolos - ?
3 diabolos - William Wei-Lian Ling?
ball spinning - David Cain, Glen Luke
hat juggling - Kris Kremo
hoop rolling - Bob Bramson
shaker cups - ?
lasso - anyone from Texas :P
ping pong spitting - ...Rod Laver? If that's his name?
contact juggling - ?
tennis balls and can - at least I know Samuli Männistö is pretty good.
plate juggling - ?
Most Original Juggler - I can name Wes to have one. He's high on the list,
but there are others. I just don't remember any.
Most Versatile Juggler - David Cain would be the obvious choice in my
opinion, but I don't know. Wes is getting up there.
Funniest Juggler - John Nations
Most Artistic Juggler - Wes?
dnaygs
> Umm, methinks they were thinking of this rule :P
>
> "One last rule: don't
> list Gatto. Although the majority of these categories wouldn't feature
> him anyway, let's see who we get apart from him on the ones where he
> would be featured."
> And wow, your on a first name basis with these jugglers, shame the people
> who don't know some of
> them can't look them up, lol. Like "Rod" with is ping pong balls ;D
>
oh pssshhhh. Reading is so overrated, I don't have time for that, and
your silly logical rules. That's Rod Laver by the way.
Thomas Lins
>
> > 7 clubs - Toto, Lajos Nereus, Toby Walker.
>
I'm just curious, does anybody know for how long can Toby Walker juggle 7
clubs?
Has he ever reached one minute like Thomas Dietz?
Koli14
David Cain
than they were when I originally posted it. Shall we start over
again?
David Cain
KooKie
> > 3 balls
> Stefan Sing
> > 4 balls
> > 5, 6 balls
> Thomas Dietz
> > 7,8,9 balls
> Anthony Gatto
> > 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 rings
> Anthony Gatto
> > 3,4,5 clubs
> Vova Galchenko
> > 6,7 clubs
> > Anthony Gatto
> > ball bouncing
> Eden Zak
> > cigar boxes
> > hat juggling
> Kris Kremo
> > hoop rolling
> > shaker cups
> Claudius Specht
> > ping pong spitting
> Picaso Jr.
> > Most Orignial Juggler
> Jay Gilligan
> > Most Versatile Juggler
> > Funniest Juggler
> dunno, I like Garfield, The Passing zone, rootberry
> > Most Artistic Juggler
> Jay Gilligan
>
veelzijdig, oen.
Sondre Øverby
>
> Haavard wrote:
> >
> > > 7 clubs - Toto, Lajos Nereus, Toby Walker.
> >
>
> I'm just curious, does anybody know for how long can Toby Walker juggle 7
> clubs?
> Has he ever reached one minute like Thomas Dietz?
>
>
>
>
At least he seems to have it much more consistent, and more stable - when
Toby launches 7 clubs, it looks solid right away.
Bekah.Smith
>
> gosh, I was going to list them all out but what's the point? clearly Dave
> Nager is the best at every prop and every number.
>
> DAVE NAGER RULEZZZ!!!!!!
>
> - David Stephens
> President, Dave Nager Fan Club
> To join please e-mail: thebest...@hotmail.com
>
>
Dave Nager is a girl.
Alan Thompson
>
> David Stephens wrote:
> >
> > gosh, I was going to list them all out but what's the point? clearly Dave
> > Nager is the best at every prop and every number.
> >
> > DAVE NAGER RULEZZZ!!!!!!
> >
> > - David Stephens
> > President, Dave Nager Fan Club
> > To join please e-mail: thebest...@hotmail.com
> >
> >
>
> Dave Nager is a girl.
>
OK, so he is a goddess instead of a god. They are both pretty awesome!
Whats so wrong with being a girl anyway. Way to betray your gender Bekah.
Jamie White
3 balls Falco
4 balls Falco
5 balls Marco Paoletti
6 balls Ben Beever, or Vova
7 balls Dietz or Vova
8 balls Alvaro Palominos, I seem to remember him doing a 6 up out of
wimpy. Maybe Dietz
9 balls Dietz