Are there juggling-videos of historic value?

[jo gazab]

Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural
conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview
about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you
show that person?

As there are tons of good juggling videos out there, I'm interested in
finding out if there are any that one should have seen absolutely. You
know, which ones are the essentials that still will be watched in 50 years
or so because of their content. I know it's hard, but please try to
mention up to 20 videos (not more!) that you think are important. Let's
see where it gets us...
have fun, thank you
Jo

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[Ed Provencher]

On May 3, 11:03 pm, karl-der-dinosaur...@gmx.de.nospam.com (jo gazab)
wrote:

Siteswaps, The DVD
Thomas Dietz 1-10 (I count these as one video, more like one series
that should take a single spot on the list)

[Ed Provencher]

On May 3, 11:35 pm, Ed Provencher <eddie_provenc...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> that should take a single spot on the list)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'll add Ohako to my list.

[Dreamjuggler]

I would recommend a book from Carl- Heinz Ziethen...;-).

[Reuben]

Alright, I'll have a try:

http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/category/juggling-throw-catch/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkP-TW2RHuw

http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c5d489242e60ebcbaf98

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6f26RNLqY&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smpLHV91EE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKzSt4zOHo&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMddlTZcJI

http://juggler.com/freevideo/DanHolzman3ball.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MByebAnyo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8

Sorry, only 10 here. I have about 300 favourites, but I wasn't sure how
many fit these criteria. As for the first link, the Ministry of
Manipulation, it's worth looking through their archive - there are
hundreds of unbelievable juggling videos in it.

Thanks,

Reuben

[jimifun]

vova galchenko last day in penza. i think it is one of the most important
juggling videos out there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YetkjGEA4Vs

[Adrian Pole]

Francis Brunn on the Edd Sullivan show, I think it was sullivan any way.

Sergei Ignatov 1991 IJA

Kris Kremo on that black and white TV show

9-1 nordic objects

Anthony Gatto-kooza press conference

[GLF00]

I'd list the Jay Gilligan DVDs. His stuff is so new, experimental and
different that a couple hundred years in the future people will probably
look at them and say "oh, that's where this technique/idea originated".
Also, the MRL (Manipulation Research Laboratory) DVD. As far as I know
that was the first time anyone has held an experimental laboratory like
that.
And probably the Sean Mckinney DVDs. Sean was so different and cutting
edge that I doubt his stuff will ever cease to inspire.

[jo gazab]

Thank you for posting! That's a beginnig at least...
All you other guys who have read this and not yet posted: Come on! There
are at least two or three videos you could sum up here. All posts highly
appreciated!
regards,

[Leo.Kh.]

I did a post on the french forum Jongle.net with a selection of links and
a short description of
historical videos you can find on the web.
http://www.jongle.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=19778
All of these jugglers are mentioned on the JIS hall of fame.

As for the recent videos I would say : all of the Peapot videos, the
Gandinis' ones (mediacircus) as well
as Bouncing in Paris and the VSNB manipulation series. You may not like
some of this, however I think
no one would deny its historical interest.

[danielcoyne]

How about Viktor Kee's act in Dralion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uznAQaPIVT4

[Azrelle]

jo gazab wrote:
>
> Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural
> conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview
> about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you
> show that person?

There's still a torrent available of historical juggling footage which
covers a wide range of styles and dates. I am however stuck behind a
firewall at work and cannot access a link. I'm sure someone else who
downloaded it will chip in though. I think originally it was
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3619647 but it might not be that exact file
anymore.

As for anything from the 19th Century you'd be better off looking at books
and old photos. A particularly good book is 4000 Years of Juggling by
Karl-Heinz Ziethen, but it's pretty hard to get hold of a copy.

__
Az

[The Void]

Do you have a reason for asking, aside from curiosity?
What is your list?

Paul Cinquevalli
Earliest known footage of a famous juggler
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=e77f13a6d184dbf1232f

The Great Everhart
Originator(?) of Hoop Rolling as a vaudeville act
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSNrWb-0i0
(...which has now died out following the retirement of Bob Bramson
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803d51b )

WC Fields
Classic vaudevillian comedy 'tramp' juggler
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=d36f5c4359f4ae7bd7ba

Enrico Rastelli
Very famous juggler in 1930s, skill level still rarely matched today.
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=78b84f3d5d92f4faa000

Rebla
Dry, sarcastic comedy juggler
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=a9969845dfe4146c5660
(cf Rob Murray
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=0ef399b63a72d0e4ab57
- his
protege. A good example of how skills/routines live on beyond their
creators)

Bobby May
http://www.jugglingdb.com/videos/index.php?performer=7&text=Bobby+May
Combining style and technique in new ways in the 30s & 40s

Francis Brunn
Dance influences, combination tricks
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=b43402106c575658472f

Anthony Gatto
Child prodigy
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=28e489b44e954ec0b9bc

Bruce Sarafian
Numbers trendsetter
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=3b03ae6d3f8540cd6362

Kiss/Biljauer/Ignatov/Anatoli & Victor
Crazy Russian skills
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=fcba7cda0cf54a2e802f
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=066b82ab86dff8a46af6
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c0c690931222ff4467bb
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=af9573aa5dff913df997

Kris Kremo
3 object specialist from performing dynasty
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=abcb736ab9a754ffb617

Wintergarten Gandinis
Theatricality, presentation, passing, use of music
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=68e1840a1324e839230d

Wirus
That contacty thing
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=1abacba7dbde04f761c3

Sakari
Scandinavian club skills, combining elements of swing and 'manipulation'
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=9337587f6ab6397699af

The "Internet Video" genre
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=185b84a4cf7aa51f2950
and its parody
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=1e6d8cd7b905f4e1bf72

The Void
................
Who restrained himself from putting in a Bungay video as an example of a
"convention video"

[The Void]

Azrelle wrote:
> > Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural
> > conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview
> > about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you
> > show that person?
>
> There's still a torrent available of historical juggling footage which
> covers a wide range of styles and dates. I am however stuck behind a
> firewall at work and cannot access a link. I'm sure someone else who
> downloaded it will chip in though. I think originally it was
> http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3619647 but it might not be that exact file
> anymore.

All of which are online individually here:
http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/search_result.php?search_id=old+school

The Void
...............
Homework creditor

[Little Paul]

On 2008-05-03, Reuben <reubenharr...@gmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Alright, I'll have a try:
>
> http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/category/juggling-throw-catch/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkP-TW2RHuw
>
> http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c5d489242e60ebcbaf98
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6f26RNLqY&NR=1
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smpLHV91EE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKzSt4zOHo&mode=related&search=
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzMddlTZcJI
>
> http://juggler.com/freevideo/DanHolzman3ball.php
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MByebAnyo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8

needs less description.[1]

-Paul
[1] You may be able to recognise a youtube video from looking at the url,
but the rest of us are human. Do us a favour and annotate the list.

[Little Paul]

On 2008-05-03, jo gazab <karl-der-d...@gmx.de.nospam.com> wrote:
> Imagine someone who doesn't know anything about juggling and its cultural
> conditions asks you for some juggling videos in order to get an overview
> about juggling and its development (18xx - today). Which videos would you
> show that person?

I've spent the last couple of days mentally formulating a list, and then
come in to work today to find that between them void and ady have pretty
much posted it.

They've mostly hit videos of people who have made a real impact in the
juggling world - the sort of performers who are responsible for major
innovations - and if someone was interested in "juggling and its development
(18xx - today)" then they'd make a great starting point.

-Paul
--
paulseward.com - a photo a day for 2008
100jugglers.org - 100 pieces of signed juggling promotional material

[jo gazab]

> Do you have a reason for asking, aside from curiosity?
> What is your list?

It's mostly curiosity I think. Aside from this, I'm doing a juggling
workshop at a school this week and decided to show the children some
videos so they can see what juggling can be/feel like. Finally, I hadn't
much time for the videos today, only a couple of minutes, so I showed them
David Cain's '36 Types Of Juggling' and one of the Thomas Dietz videos,
both different and suitable for beginners I think.
As for me, I've not made such a list yet. But it certainly would contain
footage of Rastelli, Brunn, Kiss, Biljauer, Kremo, Ignatov, McKinney,
Gatto, the Peapot guys, Jerome Thomas, Michael Moschen, Michael Menes, The
Gandinis, Barak Reuven, Michael Karas, Thomas Dietz, Stefan Sing, the
swedish gang, Wes Peden and some others I've forgotten right here... there
would be some convention-videos in it because there you get a good feeling
for the juggling-atmosphere of today I think.

cheers,
Jo

[Andrew John Conway]

> The Great Everhart
> Originator(?) of Hoop Rolling as a vaudeville acthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSNrWb-0i0
> (...which has now died out following the retirement of Bob Bramsonhttp://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=56fc8a4d2a519803...)

Carter Brown of Lazer Vaudeville still does a hoop rolling act.

Andrew

[The Void]

I'm glad to be corrected - thanks. Even if they can't spell 'laser'. ;-)

The Void
...............
Bat flatterer

[Dreamjuggler]

Azrelle wrote:

> As for anything from the 19th Century you'd be better off looking at books
> and old photos. A particularly good book is 4000 Years of Juggling by
> Karl-Heinz Ziethen, but it's pretty hard to get hold of a copy.

The old videotape from Dave Finnigan shows a good bit of typical juggling
around the 1980s, the stuff the pros are doing is pretty easy this days
:-).

Get some old juggling mags and learn about this art, eg. the first idea
about the siteswap 633 I found in a Kaskade mag from 1992! And the book
Die Kunst des Jonglierens from Baumann (1969) contains some balancing
tricks very few can do today :-o.

DJ

[Reuben]

> -Paul
> [1] You may be able to recognise a youtube video from looking at the url,
> but the rest of us are human. Do us a favour and annotate the list.
>
>

Alright:

http://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/category/juggling-throw-catch/

A video blog with loads of really great videos buried deep in the archives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkP-TW2RHuw

Kris Kremo's classic routine; balls, hats, cigar and boxes.

http://www.juggling.tv/vaults/view_video.php?viewkey=c5d489242e60ebcbaf98

One of my favourite juggling videos, loads of nice ideas with bouncing and
air juggling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv6f26RNLqY&NR=1

Michael Menes doing an extremely well choreographed 3 ball routine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smpLHV91EE

Sean Mckinney juggling 3 balls fast in his own style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsKzSt4zOHo&mode=related&search=

Greg Kennedy rolling balls in a large glass bowl.

http://juggler.com/freevideo/DanHolzman3ball.php

Great 3 ball juggling video by Dan Holzman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MByebAnyo

Very difficult looking 5 ring patterns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VeB7quFcM8

One of Steven Ragatz's routine.

[Little Paul]

On 2008-05-08, Reuben <reubenharr...@gmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> -Paul
>> [1] You may be able to recognise a youtube video from looking at the url,
>> but the rest of us are human. Do us a favour and annotate the list.
>
> Alright:

Thanks, that's much better. Reading down that list there was only one
video that I couldn't place based on the description - but I've added
it to my list of videos to watch tonight when I've finished weeding my
front garden.[1]

I'm sure it'll be useful in the future if youtube ever folds..

-Paul
[1] My plan is to weed my entire garden before I leave for bungay in
a little over a weeks time - if I don't I'll come back to a forrest
of weeds! I've put in 6 hours over the last 2 days, and have managed
to get through about a third of my veg patch.