wooden hoop and cigar holder
Olivier
I'm looking for old stuff that i'm unable to find either on internet or in
shops.
The first is big wooden hoops. Remember the kids driving a wooden hoop
with a stick ? It was very famous at the beginning of 20th century (i
discovered lately that it was also very famous during the romans time).
The only hoops now are plastics ones.
The second is a cigar holder. It is very rare, some people selling cigars
even say that it doesn't exist at all. There's a description of the object
on freepaterns.org, and maybe a seller of plastic ones in hong-kong.
Any suggestions ?
Cheers
Olivier
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The Void
> Dear jugglingdb members,
>
> I'm looking for old stuff that i'm unable to find either on internet or in
> shops.
>
> The first is big wooden hoops. Remember the kids driving a wooden hoop
> with a stick ? It was very famous at the beginning of 20th century (i
> discovered lately that it was also very famous during the romans time).
> The only hoops now are plastics ones.
Try finding a cooper (barrel maker). I believe Charlie Holland at the
Circus Space was looking in to this
at one time, so perhaps you could ask him.
> The second is a cigar holder. It is very rare, some people selling cigars
> even say that it doesn't exist at all. There's a description of the object
> on freepaterns.org, and maybe a seller of plastic ones in hong-kong.
>
> Any suggestions ?
Do you mean the type you hold while smoking a cigar, or the type that you
store a cigar in?
http://www.simplycigars.co.uk/cigar-holder-p-675.html?
WSid=1665a971ef14b7495a2944ebaf39dd4d
http://www.boisdale.co.uk/pages/wholesale_other.aspx?theRange=13
http://www.argoth.co.uk/acatalog/Cigar_cases.html
..are all thrown up by Google easily enough.
The Void
...............
Ungentlemanly.
Little Paul
>
> The first is big wooden hoops. Remember the kids driving a wooden hoop
> with a stick ? It was very famous at the beginning of 20th century (i
> discovered lately that it was also very famous during the romans time).
> The only hoops now are plastics ones.
I looked into wooden hoops a while ago, and sport-thieme carry a range
that looks interesting (and at reasonable prices)
http://www.sport-thieme.co.uk/rl/art=1258208/nav2=-6963607-6963784/-Gymnastic%20Hoop
That link goes to the UK version of sport-thieme, but iirc there are
various localised versions of the shop if the UK is not where you're at.
> The second is a cigar holder. It is very rare, some people selling cigars
> even say that it doesn't exist at all. There's a description of the object
> on freepaterns.org, and maybe a seller of plastic ones in hong-kong.
I can't seem to get freepaterns.org to point to anything sensible, not
even if I spell it freepatents.org (which sounded plausible)
One avenue I'm exploring at the moment is having a couple of props custom
built by a friendly wood turner (who is probably reading this - I'll
get around to doing those sketches soonish... honest!)
If you can draw up a design, and find someone who owns the right tools and
has the skills - you could probably get something made.
-Paul
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agedest
> Dear jugglingdb members,
Perhaps you are not a juggler, and have never been to this usenet
before, but jugglingdb is only one portal to this usenet which existed
before jdb did. I never use jdb, and many others use a wide range of
access. Which is good for your purposes, because the potential
audience is that much wider too.
Now, about your hoops. We would like to know what you plan to do with
them, since there is so much interest in that prop these days with
tossing, twirling, rolling in fancy ways, tossing them up and then
something else through one, contortionists, etc. And I would like to
know more about why wood, and why there ever were large wooden hoops
for kids to roll around (if any ever really did).
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Arron S
> The first is big wooden hoops. Remember the kids driving a wooden hoop
> with a stick ? It was very famous at the beginning of 20th century (i
> discovered lately that it was also very famous during the romans time).
> The only hoops now are plastics ones.
I know the wooden hoops that are used with a stick as one of my friend has
one, they are cool but not good for hoop rolling.
You need to have a look on the Anthony Gatto forum where Dave Altman has
recently made a about placing an order (the topic is called Wooden Hoops
under the Juggling Discussion area). Roughly $30 a hoop, have to say I'm
tempted myself!
In fact I'm surprised Mr Altman has not replied to this topic yet...
Arron
agedest
Priscilla Haug wrote:
Trundling a hoop has been a favorite outdoor activity for children for
centuries. Hoops were shown in an engraving for Jacob Cats's poem
"Kinderspel" as early as 1628 and were frequently included in
illustrations of children's activities and games in the late 18th and
19th centuries. Early hoops were of metal; in the 1800s, handmade wood
hoops were all the rage as a favorite plaything. The child's hoop was
propelled by stroking a...dowel or stick along the top. "Rolling",
"bowling" and "trundling" a hoop really came into its own in Victorian
times. Hoops were raced and used for skipping.
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agedest
http://www.historylives.com/toysandgames.htm
530. Game of Graces
Our 10” diameter solid wood grace hoops are packaged with 4 tapered
22” solid wood wands and 8 lengths of colored ribbon, in a zip top
poly bag, with history and instructions..
http://www.toypost.co.uk/product.php?productid=320&cat=24&page=1
Good quality wooden hoop of proper dimensions. Very popular with
schools and pupils; it is a real old fashioned activity toy, which can
be used in many ways, even as a hoola hoop. Hoop is made of layered
hardwood, stick is made of beech. Made in Europe.
Oval cross section (smooth rounded top and inside).
Diameter: 60cm/2ft - stick length: 30cm/1ft
http://www.precisiondrum.com/html/maple_hoops.html
BASS DRUM HOOPS
NOTE: 16" diameter hoops are 10 ply, all other diameters are 12 ply
[to 28"]
http://www.pertlowell.com/wood/wood_prices.html - probably not: 24"
sailboat mast hoop is $103.50
and, there is maybe more sorts, but it was fun to find out there are
that many. Not that I need any....
-
Olivier
(agedest, I don't understand what was your point about jugglingdb, it's
not the first time i post here, and yes i'm a juggler to answer your
questions)
Thanks The void ! The first link is exactly what I'm looking for !
Little Paul you were right, freepatents that was.
Thanks also to you two Paul and agedest, you were really a lot of help.
And I swear I looked on google before asking :) . My main interest in them
is to learn how to roll them on the floor like children did and also learn
how to roll them on the floor around me like old jugglers did.
Cheers
Oli
Little Paul
> Dear jugglingdb members
>
> (agedest, I don't understand what was your point about jugglingdb, it's
> not the first time i post here, and yes i'm a juggler to answer your
> questions)
I think that agedest was attempting to point out that you addressed your
post to "jugglingdb members" - but not everyone who reads/posts here is
a jugglingdb member. (rec.juggling is not jugglingdb and vice versa)
> Little Paul you were right, freepatents that was.
Is freepatents working for you? I just get a blank page. I'm intrigued
by the notion of a cigar holder - could you provide a link to the patent?
> My main interest in them
> is to learn how to roll them on the floor like children did
This is pretty straight forward, and any of the wooden hoops you've been
pointed at should work for this.
> and also learn
> how to roll them on the floor around me like old jugglers did.
This is less straight forward. I've thought about trying this several
times and have asked around for advice, and I've had mixed responses.
Some say the profile of the hoop matters, some say it doesn't. (Although
everyone says you need a lot of space and that shaker cups are less
irritating for everyone else in the gym at clubs/conventions ;-)
Hoop rollers traditionally used wooden bicycle rims, which have a groove
in the outside edge. I'm not sure how necessary that groove is, but it
seems to me that at least a flat outer edge may be important. The
hoops I pointed you at were suitably cheap that you could probably buy
one and take a router to the outside edge of it and experiment.
I'd love to know how you get on though, please keep us up to date with
your progress - if you find something that works at a sensible price
I may even be tempted to dabble myself!
While I'm here - does anyone have any tips for catching a pipe in your
mouth? The usual cigarette trick of sticking your tongue out, catching
it on the tongue and pulling it into the mouth isn't working. Presumably
because the mouthpiece of the pipe is plastic and too slick to stick
to my tongue.
Olivier
rec.juggling works. I find it quite difficult to read accessing through
jugglindb, maybe you have a suggestion on what for software I should use.
I'm not working for freepatents, neither the oposite.
Here's a link :
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4711254.html
It doesn't provide new information though.
I'll try the hoops you guys found for me. Thanks
And I've now idea how to help you with the pipe.
Olivier
Terry
> On 2008-04-22, Olivier <olivier....@gmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
>> My main interest in them
>> is to learn how to roll them on the floor like children did
>
> This is pretty straight forward, and any of the wooden hoops you've been
> pointed at should work for this.
>
>> and also learn
>> how to roll them on the floor around me like old jugglers did.
>
> This is less straight forward. I've thought about trying this several
> times and have asked around for advice, and I've had mixed responses.
>
> Some say the profile of the hoop matters, some say it doesn't. (Although
> everyone says you need a lot of space and that shaker cups are less
> irritating for everyone else in the gym at clubs/conventions ;-)
>
> Hoop rollers traditionally used wooden bicycle rims, which have a groove
> in the outside edge. I'm not sure how necessary that groove is, but it
> seems to me that at least a flat outer edge may be important. The
> hoops I pointed you at were suitably cheap that you could probably buy
> one and take a router to the outside edge of it and experiment.
After observing Bob Bransom's hoop rolling routine, I think the cupped
edge is essential to the giant number nine figure he traces on the
floor. He sat up a corral, rolled a hoop to the right of the corral
with backspin. It switched edges, reversed directions, turned left, and
rolled all the way around the corral before entering through a seemingly
impossibly small gate.
I think his hoops were made of fiberglass.
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agedest
thought Greg Kennedy had worked with that, but am not seeing it in a
quick look, nor anything for Bob Bransom (or Branson) that is
juggling.
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> Terry, is there a YouTube you know of? I know I've seen it and
> thought Greg Kennedy had worked with that, but am not seeing it in a
> quick look, nor anything for Bob Bransom (or Branson) that is
> juggling.
I think you'll find its Bob Bramson.
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=bramson&search=Search has some
hits.
HTH.
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E pur si muove.
Jason Perry
>
> While I'm here - does anyone have any tips for catching a pipe in your
> mouth? The usual cigarette trick of sticking your tongue out, catching
> it on the tongue and pulling it into the mouth isn't working. Presumably
> because the mouthpiece of the pipe is plastic and too slick to stick
> to my tongue.
http://www.mpdhookandloop.com/shop/Catalogue.asp?func=product&id=35
HTH.
Jason.
Little Paul
>
> http://www.mpdhookandloop.com/shop/Catalogue.asp?func=product&id=35
>
> HTH.
Thankyou, I now keep getting my tongue stuck on my jumper. Any tips
for that?
Jason Perry
>
> On 2008-04-23, Jason Perry <jason...@juggler.net.nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.mpdhookandloop.com/shop/Catalogue.asp?func=product&id=35
> >
> > HTH.
>
> Thankyou, I now keep getting my tongue stuck on my jumper. Any tips
> for that?
Stop licking your jumper?
Little Paul
I find your reply off colour. Yes. With a u.
That's just how strongly I feel about it.
Jason Perry
>
> On 2008-04-23, Jason Perry <jason...@juggler.net.nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > Stop licking your jumper?
>
> I find your reply off colour. Yes. With a u.
>
> That's just how strongly I feel about it.
In which case, I question your suitability to be a parent.
Little Paul
>
> In which case, I question your suitability to be a parent.
That's just what the judge said as well.
Terry
names is highly unreliable at best. Sorry!
Robin
> I think his hoops were made of fiberglass.
I've held one of Bob Bramson's smaller hoops and it was definately made of
wood.
Robin
Luke Wilson
>
> Terry wrote:
>
> > I think his hoops were made of fiberglass.
>
> I've held one of Bob Bramson's smaller hoops and it was definately made of
> wood.
That's pretty cool!
(The Real (Wooden)) Luke
Robin
>
> Robin wrote:
> >
> > Terry wrote:
> >
> > > I think his hoops were made of fiberglass.
> >
> > I've held one of Bob Bramson's smaller hoops and it was definately made of
> > wood.
>
> That's pretty cool!
>
> (The Real (Wooden)) Luke
>
>
Haha! I honestly expected you to have corrected this before me ;o) Do you
remember I was too scared to
try throwing and catching it?
Luke Wilson
>
> Luke Wilson wrote:
> >
> > Robin wrote:
> > >
> > > Terry wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think his hoops were made of fiberglass.
> > >
> > > I've held one of Bob Bramson's smaller hoops and it was definately made
of
> > > wood.
> >
> > That's pretty cool!
> >
> > (The Real (Wooden)) Luke
> >
> >
>
> Haha! I honestly expected you to have corrected this before me ;o) Do you
> remember I was too scared to
> try throwing and catching it?
Well, I didn't want to brag ;-)
But I do remember the look on your face, and the way you stopped dead in a
sentence as you realised
what was hanging on my kitchen wall...
(The Real (Lucky)) Luke
aaron gregg
>
> Little Paul wrote:
> >
> > On 2008-04-23, Jason Perry <jason...@juggler.net.nospam.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stop licking your jumper?
> >
> > I find your reply off colour. Yes. With a u.
> >
> > That's just how strongly I feel about it.
>
> In which case, I question your suitability to be a parent.
>
Excellent call-back Mr. Perry.
Just thought that you deserve some acknowledgment for your efforts in
making this newsgroup amusing to read.
-Aaron
Jason Perry
>
> Jason Perry wrote:
> >
> > Little Paul wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2008-04-23, Jason Perry <jason...@juggler.net.nospam.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stop licking your jumper?
> > >
> > > I find your reply off colour. Yes. With a u.
> > >
> > > That's just how strongly I feel about it.
> >
> > In which case, I question your suitability to be a parent.
> >
>
> Excellent call-back Mr. Perry.
>
> Just thought that you deserve some acknowledgment for your efforts in
> making this newsgroup amusing to read.
Aww, stop it, you're making me blush!
Thanks for the nice comment - made me feel happy on a Monday morning,
which is no mean feat.
Jason.
Olivier
> http://www.simplycigars.co.uk/cigar-holder-p-675.html?
> WSid=1665a971ef14b7495a2944ebaf39dd4d
I'm really interested in this cigar holder. The problem is that shipping
would cost me 20£. Would you be kind enough to order two for me and send
them to France ? Does it bother you ?
I'm still looking for an other solution.
Kindly.
Olivier
The Void
> Hep the void !
> > http://www.simplycigars.co.uk/cigar-holder-p-675.html?
> > WSid=1665a971ef14b7495a2944ebaf39dd4d
>
> I'm really interested in this cigar holder. The problem is that shipping
> would cost me 20£. Would you be kind enough to order two for me and send
> them to France ? Does it bother you ?
> I'm still looking for an other solution.
> Kindly.
> Olivier
Hi Olivier,
As far as I can make out, I have to create an account on that site just to
find out what the postage to
me would be. I assume you have already signed up to get the £20 figure. If
you can find out what the
shipping cost to the UK will be, and you think that that plus [the cost of
me sending the parcel to
France by some kind of registered post(1)] will still be less than £20,
then.... maybe. Also how would
you get the money to me? I can take a Paypal payment, but that would cost
me ~4% of the total, so
that would be another cost to you.
Unless you know someone who's going to be at Bungay(2), this is starting
to look like a convoluted
method of getting them to you, which might just be worth £20 to
avoid(3)....
The Void
.................
Glow plug fug
(1) You'll need to find this out too.
(2) All threads lead to Bungay
(3) But not this one.
Olivier
Thanks for your imagination. Indeed, it may be easier just to pay the £20.
I'll do that
salut !
Oli