IJA eNewsletter - November 2009
IJA Marketing
This month's IJA eNewsletter is online! In it, you'll find information
about...
the 2010 IJA fest in Sparks, NV
Vendor Discounts for IJA members: THIS FRIDAY
Awards Committee seeks nominations
Fall Fundraiser progress
Donation Receipts Mailed
Get Involved: IJA volunteers needed
Legal Matters
Check it out!
http://juggle.org/business/newsletters/IJAnews-2009-11.pdf
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dave
> Legal Matters
I believe the statements in this newsletter regarding "legal matters" are
largely misleading and to some degree, out-right false. It is true that
there is no longer an active lawsuit. I think the way the lawsuit was
handled could easily be used as a "textbook case" about what is wrong with
the US's legal system. I may go into it someday, but short version is that
the IJA ran the legal costs up so high, I could not stay in the game. (I'd
guess over $50,000 in legal fees was spent by IJA.)
While I believe that the IJA lawyer has advised their side to remain
quiet, I think that is indicative of their guilty position more than any
legal principle (statute of limitations how now run out on the case).
Specifically I disagree that the by-laws require silence. In fact I
continue to believe that the board has a responsibility to explain why
they expelled a member. If not to the general membership, then at least to
me.
Sam Malcolm
TL;DR
For someone who doesn't care about the IJA you sure... care a lot about
the IJA.
dave
> TL;DR
>
> For someone who doesn't care about the IJA you sure... care a lot about
> the IJA.
Sam,
What is your point here? Forgive me, but it sounds like you are just
trying to be a jerk. So if you do have something to say, please clarify it
for me.
I don't think there are many people, if anyone, who thinks I do not care
about the IJA. I have given literally thousands of hours to the IJA. I
(with help) pulled the IJA out of financial problems as well as reversed
what was a VERY poor reputation. As such I think I have a right to be just
a little perturbed that the IJA has returned to policies that are known to
lead to major problems. I'm saddened that the IJA is embarking in what I
think are suicidal policies. I think you should be too.
charliejuggler
>
> Sam Malcolm wrote:
>
> > TL;DR
> >
> > For someone who doesn't care about the IJA you sure... care a lot about
> > the IJA.
>
> Sam,
>
> What is your point here? Forgive me, but it sounds like you are just
> trying to be a jerk. So if you do have something to say, please clarify it
> for me.
That's a bit of a kneejerk reaction (ooh, see what I did there?).
>
> I don't think there are many people, if anyone, who thinks I do not care
> about the IJA. I have given literally thousands of hours to the IJA. I
> (with help) pulled the IJA out of financial problems as well as reversed
> what was a VERY poor reputation. As such I think I have a right to be just
> a little perturbed that the IJA has returned to policies that are known to
> lead to major problems. I'm saddened that the IJA is embarking in what I
> think are suicidal policies. I think you should be too.
>
>
There's actually quite a lot of us who don't give a toss.
Er...at the risk of proving we *do* I'll try and clarify my last point.
I've been juggling for 17 years of so and I've been to most BJCs and a lot
of EJCs during that time. I've heard of the IJA, but I've always thought
of it as something invented in North America, but of little interest to
the rest of us. While the IJA has gone through what seems to be major
political changes, the rest of the juggling world has been throwing stuff
about and has found out ways of enjoying where it landed.
So, Dave (Davis, I assume. Don't you just hate it when someone assumes you
know who they are?). Please take your politics elsewhere, you're muddying
the fun water.
Charlie
..
BBU. With added on-site massage. www.juggler.net/bungayballsup
dave
> > I don't think there are many people, if anyone, who thinks I do not care
> > about the IJA. I have given literally thousands of hours to the IJA. I
> > (with help) pulled the IJA out of financial problems as well as reversed
> > what was a VERY poor reputation. As such I think I have a right to be just
> > a little perturbed that the IJA has returned to policies that are known to
> > lead to major problems. I'm saddened that the IJA is embarking in what I
> > think are suicidal policies. I think you should be too.
> >
> >
> There's actually quite a lot of us who don't give a toss.
>
> Er...at the risk of proving we *do* I'll try and clarify my last point.
> I've been juggling for 17 years of so and I've been to most BJCs and a lot
> of EJCs during that time. I've heard of the IJA, but I've always thought
> of it as something invented in North America, but of little interest to
> the rest of us. While the IJA has gone through what seems to be major
> political changes, the rest of the juggling world has been throwing stuff
> about and has found out ways of enjoying where it landed.
Charlie,
I agree with you. I am well aware that the IJA is largely irrelevant to
the juggling community outside of USA and Canada (Saying "North America"
was being generous). If fact, I know many people who feel the IJA is
largely irrelevant even within the USA. (I've heard it several times
lately on the West Coast after the most recent snubbings). I don't blame
you, or anyone, for being disinterested in IJA "politics".
But my message was a public response to a public message from Sam Malcolm
(and before that the IJA). Sam, if my information is correct, lives in
North America, and has entered a business deal with the IJA (The black
friday sale that triggered the "Brontosaurus balls dissatisfied customer"
thread). I stand by my statement that "I think he should care" about what
the IJA bosses are doing. At the least, I hope you agree that I should be
allowed to have an opinion.
More generally, while juggling politics (in IJA, EJA, and in smaller
groups) can get ugly, juggling groups/associations are IMHO nevertheless a
good thing. EJC probably wouldn't exist without the EJA. Sadly, money
issues (politics) often becomes a nasty, ugly topic and can bring out the
worst in people.
I won't apologize for my interest in or activities within the IJA. While
leading the IJA, I saved the association thousands of dollars. That worked
out to hundreds of dollars for each IJA juggler / IJA attendee. That in
turn worked out to more happiness from more people "throwing stuff about".
By contrast, it seems obvious to me that the recent decisions from IJA
bosses have resulted in fewer people getting together and throwing stuff
about. I think that is a shame, even if it only effects USA and Canada.