Website question
Dreamjuggler
I`m going to create my own website. Please answer my few questions:
- is it a good idea to have a base line that contains the copyright and
the website designers?
- is it a good idea to made a guestbook with public mail adresses?
- what`s your favorite link on a jugglers site?
Languages: I want to share my international experiences...therefore, the
site will be in english and german. Jugalot offered help to correct my
english texts ;-) thanks!
If anyone wants to translate into french, you`re welcome.
Thanks
Reto (Switzerland)
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DaveOldBloke
juu...@hotmail.com.nospam says...
> Hi all
>
> I`m going to create my own website. Please answer my few questions:
>
> - is it a good idea to have a base line that contains the copyright and
> the website designers?
You'll never make the copyright stick
A mailto: for the designer is nice but if you put a plaintext email
address on a webpage you'll get spammed to hell and back.
>
> - is it a good idea to made a guestbook with public mail adresses?
Only if you're going to do something with it. And the same thing about
email addresses applies - your visitors won't thank you for leaving
their addresses where spammers can pick them up.
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NiallKelly
It is a good idea to have a copyright on the base line - if not anyone can
copy all of your work. If you're the website designer, there's no harm in
giving yourself some credit too.
You should give the user an option to entner their email address, and ask
if they'd like to keep it hidden from public.
I created my own juggling website a couple of months ago -
www.millsmess.com
Best of luck with your site!
OgO
> It is a good idea to have a copyright on the base line - if
> not anyone can copy all of your work. If you're the
> website designer, there's no harm in giving yourself some
> credit too.
Actually copyright exists regarless of whether you spell it out
for your visitors, people cannot (legally) just copy all your
work. Practically, If you do a good job of it, people will copy
all your work regardless of what copyright notices you put on
it...
Not that that should put you off in any way, I just wanted to
point out that just putting a notice on the page doesn't mean
that people won't ignore it, just as not putting one there
doesn't take away from your intellectual property rights.
Regards
OgO
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DaveOldBloke
quen...@qjc.cjbGlasses.net says...
> In rec.juggling, on 06 Oct 2003, NiallKelly announced:
>
> > It is a good idea to have a copyright on the base line - if
> > not anyone can copy all of your work. If you're the
> > website designer, there's no harm in giving yourself some
> > credit too.
>
> Actually copyright exists regarless of whether you spell it out
> for your visitors, people cannot (legally) just copy all your
> work. Practically, If you do a good job of it, people will copy
> all your work regardless of what copyright notices you put on
> it...
>
> Not that that should put you off in any way, I just wanted to
> point out that just putting a notice on the page doesn't mean
> that people won't ignore it, just as not putting one there
> doesn't take away from your intellectual property rights.
>
> Regards
>
> OgO
>
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Little Paul
> - is it a good idea to have a base line that contains the copyright
If you like, but it's not going to stop anyone stealing stuff from you.
> and the website designers?
Ask the designer if he wants to take credit for the design, and then
consider linking to the designers own site. This is slightly more
sociable than the mailto: link approach. (The designer then retains
control over how spammers get his email address)
> - is it a good idea to made a guestbook with public mail adresses?
No.
Certainly not unless you ask the users if they want their email
address to be visible to spammers.
> - what`s your favorite link on a jugglers site?
www.b3ta.com/board is linked to from a few jugglers sites that I can
think of, and it's almost certainly one of my favourite links... It's
got fuck all to do with juggling though so I'll go with
www.trickswithhats.org because I'm a link hungry whore.
-Paul
JAG
article <MPG.19eb30fdf...@news.xenopsyche.net> dated Mon, 6 Oct
2003 08:58:25 +0100
>In article <3f810c0f$0$15129$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>,
>juu...@hotmail.com.nospam says...
>> - is it a good idea to made a guestbook with public mail adresses?
>
>Only if you're going to do something with it. And the same thing about
>email addresses applies - your visitors won't thank you for leaving
>their addresses where spammers can pick them up.
This reminds me, I made a few posts on www.passingdb.com and within a week
I was getting spam from those posts. (I used a unique address to post
there) Someone should clue them in. Maybe I'll just bcc: this message to
them...
...JAG
J Jugglers Against Gravity
A http://www.bogleg.com/jag/
G jag(at)bogleg(dot)com
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"Dreamjuggler" <juu...@hotmail.com.nospam> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Hi all
>
> I`m going to create my own website. Please answer my few questions:
>
> - is it a good idea to have a base line that contains the copyright and
> the website designers?
>
wenn page, logos und tricks wirklich alle von dir sind, dann ist es echt
besser. man will schließlich auch wissen, wer das jetzt verstusst hat, bzw.
wer sich da so viel mühe gegeben hat.
> - is it a good idea to make a guestbook with public mail adresses?
>
ich schätze das ist nicht so toll wegen der spamgefahr
> - what`s your favorite link on a jugglers site?
>
sehr unterschiedlich. aber man merkt schon, wo sich der seitengestalter mühe
gegeben hat und wo er schlampig oder lustlos war. aber gute tips zum
jonglieren lernen, bzw. neue tricks kommen immer gut an.
> Languages: I want to share my international experiences...therefore, the
> site will be in english and german. Jugalot offered help to correct my
> english texts ;-) thanks!
>
das ist ne echt gute idee, erhöht die chancen auf internationale besucher.
Liam
juu...@hotmail.com.nospam (Dreamjuggler) wrote:
> If anyone wants to translate into french, you`re welcome.
One thing to remember is not to use standard mailto links. Instead, use
this script:
<script language="javascript">
FirstName = "yourname";
LastName = "yourhost.co.uk";
document.write("<a href=mailto:" + FirstName + "@" + LastName+ ">Email
me</a>");
</script>
This way, harvesters and spiders will not get your address and start
spamming it.
A trick to protect your images - set the image as the background of its
own cell, then make a completely transparent image and put it in that
cell. It's not 100% sure, but it stops people copying and pasting the
image. There are still ways to get the images.
Good luck with the site.
Liam
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...JAG
> One thing to remember is not to use standard mailto links. Instead, use
> this script:
Yeah, that's a nice one, but here's an improved (imho) version:
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
<!--
var name = "yourname"
var domain = "yourdomain.com"
document.write("<a href='mailto:" + name + "@" + domain + "'>")
document.write(name + "@" + domain)
document.write("</a>")
-->
</script>
It's nice to actually see the email address on the page. Especially when
your email client doesn't behave properly with mailto: links.
> A trick to protect your images - set the image as the background of its
> own cell, then make a completely transparent image and put it in that
> cell. It's not 100% sure, but it stops people copying and pasting the
> image. There are still ways to get the images.
Yes, so why bother? Making things difficult for copy-pasters is just lame.
If I want your image I will get it regardless of what crappy code you
write.
The only thing you can do to protect your images is not post them to
a public medium. The method you describe is a needless waste of energy.
(Unless your only goal is to piss people off)
A couple simple solutions for anyone who wants to grab an image off a
website and finds themselves foiled by lame code:
1. go to http://www.admuncher.com/ and download their excellent software
(foils all kinds of lame code on the fly, with no proxy!)
2. use the [PrintScrn] button on your keyboard - this will copy everything
on your screen to the clipboard, which you can then paste into your
favorite
image editor, such as Photoshop. (also holding the [alt] key while
pressing
[PrintScrn] will copy just the current window)
If you want to create a website that people enjoy, rather than one they get
pissed off at, make it easy for people to access the information you are
providing. (and only provide information which you want them to have)
For more website advice (and an OBJuggle):
UK/LA Juggler Chunky Kibbles has a website with some valuable tips on
web design. (even though his own site is rather ugly)
http://www.icculus.org/~chunky/writing/webdesign/
..JAG
Little Paul
> Liam wrote:
>
>>One thing to remember is not to use standard mailto links. Instead, use
>>this script:
>
> Yeah, that's a nice one, but here's an improved (imho) version:
Actually, research (http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml)
has shown that if you just obscure the email addresses with character
encoding then everything is hunkydory.
See http://home.earthlink.net/~quelrat/character-ref.html for a
javascript utility which will do the obscuring for you.
>>A trick to protect your images - set the image as the background of its
>>own cell, then make a completely transparent image and put it in that
>>cell. It's not 100% sure, but it stops people copying and pasting the
>>image. There are still ways to get the images.
>
> Yes, so why bother? Making things difficult for copy-pasters is just lame.
Yup. Although, if you have images that you don't want people to use
without credit, why not just watermark them?
> If I want your image I will get it regardless of what crappy code you
> write.
Yup. This too is very true. And even watermarking them won't help
if you're half way decent with photoshop... (Unless the watermark
is large, in which case it's probably introusive anyway ;-)
-Paul
Liam
j...@bogleg.com.nospam (...JAG) wrote:
> Liam wrote:
> > One thing to remember is not to use standard mailto links. Instead,
> > use this script:
>
> Yeah, that's a nice one, but here's an improved (imho) version:
>
> <script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
> <!--
> var name = "yourname"
> var domain = "yourdomain.com"
> document.write("<a href='mailto:" + name + "@" + domain + "'>")
> document.write(name + "@" + domain)
> document.write("</a>")
> -->
> </script>
Hmmm...just seems a more complicated version of mine.
>
> It's nice to actually see the email address on the page.
You can do that with my script.
> Yes, so why bother? Making things difficult for copy-pasters is just
> lame.
> If I want your image I will get it regardless of what crappy code you
> write.
Thanks! My way just slows down the process of people trying to nick your
stuff. Some people won't be bothered to look up the html and type the
image url into their address bar.
Liam
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