Average juggler salary
thatguy
time, professional juggler's salary.
Thank you,
thatguy
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Jon Solberg
> I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> time, professional juggler's salary.
Anything from nothing to quite a lot.
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Norbi
>
> On 2009-09-27, thatguy <ppol...@hotmail.com.nospam.com> wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> > time, professional juggler's salary.
>
> Anything from nothing to quite a lot.
>
Yeah, give or take.
Rootberry
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> time, professional juggler's salary.
> Thank you,
> thatguy
>
Along the lines with what Jon said, from almost nothing to Passing Zone.
But I would say average about $5 a year.
Dave Altman
>
> thatguy wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> > time, professional juggler's salary.
> > Thank you,
> > thatguy
> >
>
> Along the lines with what Jon said, from almost nothing to Passing Zone.
>
> But I would say average about $5 a year.
Is that gross or net? ;-) That estimate makes me feel a little better
about my year. It's dropped off for me since the beginning of last fall.
January picked up some, but then it got bad again.
Dave Altman
Steven Ragatz
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> time, professional juggler's salary.
> Thank you,
> thatguy
>
OK, so apart from the non-answers from the other guys, let�s assume for
discussions sake that you actually are trying to make an active decision
about earning money as a juggler.
Here are some very general US price guesses based on my personal
experience working in the Midwest:
Street performing: pennies - $750/wk. depending on how often you can work
and your pitch (weather permitting)
Birthday parties: $100-$300/event.
Summer theme parks: $350 - $750/wk. based on experience and the quality
of the park (seasonal)
Strip-o-grams: $75
Ren fairs: pennies - $1500/week-end (seasonal � greatly depends on the
festival)
School convocations: $300-$800 (per event - plus additional money for
workshops, teaching materials, etc.)
Cruise ships: $1000 - $2500/wk.
Circus: $500-$2500/wk. (tent show)
Half-time shows: $500-$2000 (professional team)
Corporate acts: $1000-$3500 (per event)
Local roving prices range from $50/hr. - $200/hr. to do walk around stuff.
Just remember, it doesn�t matter how much a gig pays if you can�t get it.
These are rough prices. I know folks who make much more than these, and
some that make less. But I would guess that this represents the bulk of
the jugglers that are out there in the US these days.
Does this help?
Steven Ragatz
Jay Linn
>
> I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> time, professional juggler's salary.
> Thank you,
> thatguy
You might as well ask the average colour of a car.
Some people work hard but are content to make only a pittance; a
very few others make six-figure incomes. Either way, there is no such
thing as an average professional juggler in this context, and most of
the professionals I know are self- and/or agency-employed and therefore
receive income when they work, on a job by job basis, but very
definitely not a regular salary.
Here in the UK Equity scale rates would hint at a minimum of
something very roughly like ￜ500 a week for full-time theatrical rates,
but in twenty years I've yet to meet anyone being paid scale.
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Jay Linn
Semper eadem.
Tim923
> OK, so apart from the non-answers from the other guys, let's assume for
> discussions sake that you actually are trying to make an active decision
> about earning money as a juggler.
>
> Here are some very general US price guesses based on my personal
> experience working in the Midwest:
Isn't it difficult to make a living juggling with good technical juggling
alone? Don't you need some gimmicks like riding a unicycle, perform some
magic tricks, tell some jokes, dress up as a clown. And hack juggling: eat
the apple, juggle knives, chainshaws, fire. In this case, this levels the
playing field between the extemely good technical juggles and the above
average ones. Unless you are near the best in the world. Let me know.
Steven Ragatz
Juggling ability and marketability are two different things. Performing
is an entertainment medium, so if you are entertaining, whether it be
because you are funny, beautiful, strong, daring, weird, skilled, etc.,
you work. If nobody wants to watch you, nobody will pay to do so, and
subsequently, you don't work (or you work for much less money).
As you probably imagine, just standing there throwing tricks won't get you
much outside of a juggling festival gym floor.
There is no such thing as 'hack juggling'. To make a living, you do what
works, and eliminate the rest. To me, the 'hack jugglers' are the ones
who are just doing the same thing as the next guy without any regard for
craftsmanship and then are incensed when the general public doesn't regard
them with respect. They are so into the 'juggling world' that they
disregard the 'real world'.
There's an adage in the circus about a guy who spent ten years to teach a
camel to walk backwards. After a decade of work, he finally presented the
stunt in the show and nobody clapped. The trouble was nobody knew that
camels don't walk backwards, and more importantly, even if they did,
nobody would have cared.
If it is a hobby for you, do what you want. But, if you want to make a
living with juggling, particularly performing juggling, then you have to
go way beyond just learning generic technique.
Dave Altman
> Isn't it difficult to make a living juggling with good technical juggling
> alone?
YES!!!!
> Don't you need some gimmicks like riding a unicycle, perform some
> magic tricks, tell some jokes, dress up as a clown. And hack juggling: eat
> the apple, juggle knives, chainshaws, fire. In this case, this levels the
> playing field between the extemely good technical juggles and the above
> average ones. Unless you are near the best in the world. Let me know.
NO!!!!!
Riding an unicycle, magic tricks, etc. are skills, not gimmicks. You don't
have to resort to "hack" juggling, either.
Designing and presenting an entertaining show are skills, Tim, and I'd say
they are the most important skills an entertainer does. This has been
argued for years, but most people, or it could be argued that no one can
rely on technical skill alone.
Successful juggler/entertainers are serious about their technical ability,
but they work on so much more than that.
Dave Altman
Bruce Sarafian
wrote:
I have probably practiced BALL juggling about 95% of everything I have
ever practiced. The remaining 5% would make up clubs, unicycle, fire,
blades, etc, etc. That 5% is what I do in shows though. There are
some 30 minute shows that I do where I do not even pick up one
ball........ Other shows I do a ball routine that might make up only 5
mins of the show...... Technical skill alone definitely does not make
a show. It is all in the presentation.
Bruce
ChaseMartin
> ever practiced. The remaining 5% would make up clubs, unicycle, fire,
> blades, etc, etc. That 5% is what I do in shows though. There are
> some 30 minute shows that I do where I do not even pick up one
> ball........ Other shows I do a ball routine that might make up only 5
> mins of the show...... Technical skill alone definitely does not make
> a show. It is all in the presentation.
>
> Bruce
>
>
After I show a muggler some 5 ball siteswaps:
"That was cool, but can you do the spinny things on fire?"
*sigh*
I've said it once and I'll say it again. When Michael Jordan does a sweet
dunk, nobody asks him if he can do it again with a watermelon that is on
fire. So why do we get that crap?
btw, I've been very inspired over the years by your ball juggling, Bruce.
It does not go unappreciated!!!
jacob
Tim923
difference between a 4 ball async fountain and 5 or 6 balls. They could
probably be more impressed with an easy trick. For example, 3 club chops
might look cool, but 3 clubs in 1 hand might not, etc. Not smiling could
throw the whole enjoyment off. This makes me think: Which tricks are easy
to do, but look difficult or look cool. Which tricks are difficult to do,
but are underappreciated?
Alan Morgan
ChaseMartin <cha...@email.unc.edu.nospam.com> wrote:
>After I show a muggler some 5 ball siteswaps:
>
>"That was cool, but can you do the spinny things on fire?"
>
>*sigh*
>
>I've said it once and I'll say it again. When Michael Jordan does a sweet
>dunk, nobody asks him if he can do it again with a watermelon that is on
>fire. So why do we get that crap?
Slam dunks are the equivalent of juggling fire for basketball players.
Flashy, crowd pleasers, but not indications of actual skill.
Alan
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popstar_dave
Exactly, Alan. I'm sure lots of people would watch Michael Jordan hit
1000 free throws in a row, then ask to see a flashy slam dunk.
That's the analogy.
Dave
Dave Altman
This makes me think:
> Which tricks are easy
> to do, but look difficult or look cool.
Balancing something long...
> Which tricks are difficult to do,
> but are underappreciated?
Balancing something short...
Dave Altman
Rootberry
>
> thatguy wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone has a rough approximation of the average, full
> > time, professional juggler's salary.
> > Thank you,
> > thatguy
> >
>
> Along the lines with what Jon said, from almost nothing to Passing Zone.
>
> But I would say average about $5 a year.
>
Okay, Ragatz is absolutely correct. Hack is a funny thing (yeah there's a
joke there, but it's too late to
explore it). Hack juggling tricks, such as juggling while eating an apple
are frequently considered hack
because they have been done by many jugglers, over the course of many
years. Thus they are not
original. But many people believe that it is considered hack because
eating and apple while juggling is
easy for most juggler, especially people who spend their time on technical
juggling. With that said. I
don't consider anything we (Bill Berry and I) do in our hour long show as
hack because we do it in our
own way, with our own brand of comedy. We ride a unicycle, but we do so
in a way that is totally
unique to us, besides that we are paid to entertain people not to juggle.
Name all the technical
juggling acts that do a show that is an hour or longer. I can't think of
any! But I can name dozens of
comedy jugglers, that I don't consider hacks who do an hour long show.
Also, as Ragatz alluded to, the real world and the juggling word are
completely different places. I
place zero value on how many 5 club tricks I can do, and nobody cares that
I got 13 catches of 10
bounce balls in the IJA numbers prelims and was the first to do so (2002).
But I do value the laugher I
get from a simple 3 ball routine that has some original, hopefully witty
comedy in it.
Finally, if you really are serious about being an entertainer, you should
watch the Ivan Pecel interview.
He's a very skilled juggler and he talks a bit about being an entertainer
and about being
entertaining....
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E3C6FD2827406492
elijah516
If it's really that easy though, why not give the audience what they want?
As a hobby, it's more rewarding to do very difficult things, but as a
performer, you should give the audience what they want.
And I disagree that people can't tell the difference between 4 and 5, 6, 7
etc...
It's just, crowd-pleasing tricks are either fairly easy(lots of 3 ball
tricks fit this category)
Or very very difficult(5 ball mills mess, high numbers of objects, 4 ball
rubenstein's)
Jon Solberg
> [...] This makes me think: Which tricks are easy to do, but look
> difficult or look cool.
Fire. At least to the general public. I usually think about all the
work to clean the torches afterwards.
> Which tricks are difficult to do, but are underappreciated?
Balancing multiple objects.
Sondre �verby
>
> Name all the technical
> juggling acts that do a show that is an hour or longer.
>
I think Jason Garfield does that.
Sondre
Dave Altman
>
> Rootberry wrote:
> >
> > Name all the technical
> > juggling acts that do a show that is an hour or longer.
> >
>
> I think Jason Garfield does that.
>
>
> Sondre
Really? He doesn't talk or do any kind of comedy at all? He just goes out
on stage and juggles for a full hour?
Dave Altman
David Cain
wrote:
Dave, of course you're right. There's no way to keep a non-juggling
audience entertained for an hour with just technical juggling. What
Sondre was probably trying to say is that Jason, along with people
like Mark Nizer, Passing Zone, myself, and others, can do an hour
stage show and include a fairly high level of technical juggling in
that show. Of course we have to include comedy. Comedy sells.
David Cain
Rootberry
>
> Rootberry wrote:
> >
> > Name all the technical
> > juggling acts that do a show that is an hour or longer.
> >
>
> I think Jason Garfield does that.
>
>
> Sondre
>
Glad you brought that up, see Jason is one of main reason a bunch of
jugglers are going around
thinking the pure technical juggling is the only manner of juggling that
is cool. Jason doesn't do an
hour of pure technical juggling, he uses comedy and a bunch of "gimmicks"
(as someone in this
thread called them). Jason has not always used his own material, he used
a bunch of stuff that Dan
Bennett wrote while he was working on cruise ships, Dan didn't write the
stuff for Jason, he wrote the
material for himself. In 2004 when he performed at WJF, he was the most
clown like character in the
entire show. Yep, the thing he claims to abhor.... By no means does he
do an hour of technical
juggling.
Ivan Pecel
Steve B
wrote:
Hahahaha. You made my day Ivan.
(btw, huge fan.)
ChaseMartin
Good point, Alan. My post was more a complaint about people never being
satisfied with my prop choice. Basketball does appear to have a similar
problem to ours though :)
kreso
> In 2004 when he performed at WJF, he was the most
> clown like character in the
> entire show. Yep, the thing he claims to abhor....
i remember that i saw a clip of jason juggling a show, dressed in some red
clothes, pretty much like "standard" comedy juggler. knowing story behind
all this, i presume he was joking about it. on the other hand, i think that
kind of presentation (comedy/clown juggler) really suits him! haha
i don't smoke, but he's the only juggler i'd share joint haha :D
Jon Solberg
The short version was that Jason got a penalty for not completing in
time the year before (hence the clock) and got rather miffed at the
judges (or at least that's what he wants us to think).
The long version is, well... longer.
TK
> On 2009-09-29, kreso <kresimir...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 28 Sep 2009 14:24:19 GMT, Rootberry wrote:
>>
>>> In 2004 when he performed at WJF, he was the most
>>> clown like character in the
>>> entire show. Yep, the thing he claims to abhor....
>> i remember that i saw a clip of jason juggling a show, dressed in some red
>> clothes, pretty much like "standard" comedy juggler. knowing story behind
>> all this, i presume he was joking about it. on the other hand, i think that
>> kind of presentation (comedy/clown juggler) really suits him! haha
>> i don't smoke, but he's the only juggler i'd share joint haha :D
>
> The short version was that Jason got a penalty for not completing in
> time the year before (hence the clock) and got rather miffed at the
> judges (or at least that's what he wants us to think).
He did not "just not complete in time" - he was almost double the
allowed time. Totally self destructive, no way entitled to be angry at
anyone but himself.
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bill coad
I think this is more about expectations. They expect Jordan to do a dunk
and he meets their expectations. Some may expect a juggler to do fire,
chainsaws, etc, and 5 ball siteswaps don't meet that expectation.
As a juggler, you're presenting the ability do to just about anything, and
a non-juggler has difficulty perceiving that 'just about anything' can be
technical tricks rather than difficult objects.
Eo Ipso
> Steven Ragatz wrote:
>>
>> Juggling ability and marketability are two different
>> things. Performing is an entertainment medium, so if
>> you are entertaining, whether it be because you are
>> funny, beautiful, strong, daring, weird, skilled,
>> etc., you work. If nobody wants to watch you, nobody
>> will pay to do so, and subsequently, you don't work
>> (or you work for much less money).
>> There is no such thing as 'hack juggling'. To make a
>> living, you do what works, and eliminate the rest. To
>> me, the 'hack jugglers' are the ones who are just
>> doing the same thing as the next guy without any
>> regard for craftsmanship and then are incensed when
>> the general public doesn't regard them with respect.
>> They are so into the 'juggling world' that they
>> disregard the 'real world'.
>> If it is a hobby for you, do what you want. But, if
>> you want to make a living with juggling, particularly
>> performing juggling, then you have to go way beyond
>> just learning generic technique.
>>
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