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Peter Bone

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Jun 9, 2002, 1:11:38 PM6/9/02
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probably been done before but i found 6 valid siteswaps that are longer
than 'teakettle'.

10 letters:

chilliness
hindersome
myelocoele ???
stubbiness

11 letters:

tachhydrite : A hydrous chloride calcium magnesium
endosteally : relating to the layer of vascular tissue lining the cavities
of bone

interesting huh.

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Scott Kurland

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Jun 9, 2002, 7:02:21 PM6/9/02
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> endosteally : relating to the layer of vascular tissue lining the cavities
> of bone
>
> interesting huh.

Especially that one, monsieur Bone.


Peter Bone

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Jun 10, 2002, 6:45:32 AM6/10/02
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> I found 'dog-harness' also (with the -).

Aidan

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Jun 10, 2002, 8:35:21 AM6/10/02
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I was trying to find siteswaps that sre valid siteswaps. The best I could
do was 'four' and 'ten'. The Latin for 6 is a valid siteswap too!

Aidan.

Peter Bone

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Jun 10, 2002, 11:33:51 AM6/10/02
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here are a few more valid words.

a
aa
aam
abbess
abele
able
ably
Abo
above
Abram
Absalom
Abu
abu
acana
acardiac
accend
acher
achor
Acis
acold
acrid
Ada
adamsite
add
address
adducent
adead
Adinida
adust
ady
ae
aer
afret
aga
Agag
Agao
agio
agoge
agrah
agy
ahaaina
aho
ahu
ai
aint
airfoil
airmail
airt
ak
ako
aku
akule
alamoth
albitic
aleak
aliptic
alogy
am
ama
ambier
Amia
Amma
amma
ammer
Ammi
ammu
amulla
Amy
amy
anda
Ande
Andi
Andy
anger
angor
ani
anjan
Anous
anserous
Anta
anta
ante
Anti
anti
Antisi
Antu
antu
Anzac
Ao
apa
apple
apply
Aprilis
apyrene
aqua
ardu
areek
areolar
armer
armor
arris
arrow
arsheen
arty
arusa
As
as
Asa
asak
Asaph
asinego
askar
asp
ass
assise
assizes
assuade
assume
astray
Ati
atlatl
Aucan
aunt
ava
aw
awag
awakable
aweek
awheel
awl
Ay
ay
Azha
azo
B
b
beanie
bebop
Bee
bee
beekeeper
begash
bemad
bemail
beman
bemaul
bemud
Ben
ben
benben
bender
Bennet
bennet
beret
Beroe
beshow
besides
besnow
bestow
bet
betrunk
bewet
bewitch
bhara
Bhili
Bianca
bid
bidder
bidet
big
Bikram
Bim
bis
blae
blay
blee
blibe
blizz
blolly
blossomy
blue
bluffy
Blumea
blurry
boa
boar
bocoy
bod
Boer
bog
bom
bomb
Bombus
bood
bool
boot
bop
Boran
borax
boree
borty
Bos
bosh
bouchette
bouge
boule
boun
bowet
bowl
boy
boyish
bra
braca
brack
braise
brassy
breaden
brief
brills
brolly
buccula
bud
budder
bug
bum
burbush
bus
buy
C
c
ca
cab
Caca
cache
cadge
cadgy
cadua
cage
cake
caky
can
cancan
candys
cantus
canvas
capman
carr
Carry
carry
case
cassine
Cassius
Cat
cat
catpipe
caught
Causus
caw
ce
Celia
Centrotus
Centuple
cern
certie
check
Chera
Chilcat
Chilina
chilliness
china
Chink
chink
choca
chock
chomp
Chora
chowk
cinquain
cise
civil
clumpy
cobia
cock
coco
coeline
col
colline
Collins
collins
column
comical
coo
cook
cookable
cooly
Coos
copr
Coptic
cor
corah
coram
corcir
cordy
Cornus
corny
corse
coss
cotquean
cotrine
cox
coyly
coypu
creatress
crimpy
crink
crisp
crispy
cro
crock
crotchety
croupe
cruels
cruive
crumpy
cuff
cuke
cultus
cumal
Cunza
cur
curb
curn
curr
curry
curtail
cyke
cymar
cytost
D
d
dad
dadder
daddock
daer
dag
dain
dam
damn
dampish
danli
danta
dap
dapper
das
dash
Dasya
daub
Daur
day
deaf
dean
dear
deer
deific
delver
demean
deota
dewer
dhak
dhaw
dhu
Dian
dian
dich
didym
dieb
dier
Dieri
diner
diol
dish
disject
disleaf
disseat
dochmiac
domer
dooja
dooli
doornail
doorsill
Doris
dough
dovecot
dower
drow
duct
duer
dumb
duryl
dush
dust
dwarfish
dyer
Dyssodia
E
e
ea
earl
ebb
ecdemic
ectental
Ecthesis
ectoglia
eeler
eke
eld
elect
elide
elm
els
Em
em
embosser
Emim
Emma
emma
endosteally
enlock
ennoic
epact
equalist
equitist
era
erd
erg
Ermani
errand
ers
es
Esth
esthesis
etude
eu
evert
every
ewder
Ewe
ewe
extend
ey
eyey
eyoty
F
f
facet
facks
facty
fae
Fan
fan
fantod
farad
fat
fatten
fault
fauve
Fiber
fiber
fifie
fikie
filer
Filix
filleul
filth
finisher
fir
fistic
fitty
fiver
fix
flam
flay
flea
flee
Flem
fley
flimflam
Flo
flu
flue
Fokker
folder
foo
food
fool
foot
For
for
forbid
forbidder
fosh
fou
foughten
foun
four
fowl
fowlfoot
fox
foyaitic
fraik
Frank
frank
Freya
fro
froe
from
froufrou
fucus
Fultz
fumet
funicle
Fur
fur
furan
furdel
furfur
Furlan
Furud
fustic
G
g
Ga
ga
Gad
gad
gadbee
gadger
gaff
gag
gage
gaj
galleyman
gallicola
gam
gap
garb
garn
garvanzo
garvock
gas
gashly
gawm
gay
Ge
ge
gel
gemot
geo
ger
gerb
Gi
gibel
giffgaff
girn
girr
gizz
gliff
gnathal
gnu
go
goave
Gogo
gogo
golf
Golgi
gook
goran
Gothism
gouge
gourdy
gowan
gowk
Grallae
grama
gramp
grief
grump
guaiac
guff
gugu
gunj
gunnung
Gunz
gurr
gym
gyp
gyrus
H
h
haab
haaf
hache
haily
hain
hair
hallmoot
halma
Hamal
hamal
hammy
hange
harpula
harry
hash
hasp
hayz
heaf
hear
Hecatic
hech
heer
heir
hen
hepialid
herne
herse
Hesiodic
hest
het
hew
hewt
hia
hiatus
hiccup
hidalgo
high
hilch
him
hindersome
hinny
hip
his
hish
hist
hithe
hod
hodder
hodful
hog
holia
Homam
homish
hooly
hoove
hoovey
hop
hopper
horde
horny
horse
horst
horsy
hotly
howdy
howso
hoy
hoyle
hucho
hud
huer
hug
Hugh
hum
humbug
humhum
Humist
humourful
hup
hurry
hush
hymn
I
i
ide
idiom
ie
Ikhwan
iliahi
ill
illume
imagistic
imam
immi
impair
inarm
incubous
inde
indices
indy
Ineri
inhabit
inkbush
inly
inner
inro
integrant
introrsal
Io
io
irenics
is
ischialgic
Isis
Isoloma
ist
ither
iwis
izle
J
j
jadder
jag
Jam
jam
Jambos
Jamnia
Janet
Janus
Jap
jap
jasey
jay
jetty
jheel
jhool
Joan
joch
join
josh
jotty
joust
jowl
Judas
junto
Justine
justo
K
k
ka
kabiet
kagu
kaka
kaki
kamas
kappa
kasa
kasm
kawaka
Kazak
keb
ken
kerf
kern
kerrie
ket
Khasa
Khmer
Khoja
khoja
kieye
kikar
kike
kiki
kiku
kileh
Kim
kim
kinkhab
kip
kirn
Kitan
Kitty
kitty
kiver
kiwi
kiwikiwi
kiyas
knead
knezi
Ko
ko
koa
Koko
koko
kop
kos
Koschei
Koso
Kra
kra
Kua
kuge
Kuki
kuku
Kuman
Kurukh
kurus
kurvey
kusa
kuskos
kuskus
L
l
lab
lablab
Lacertid
lain
lair
Lak
lak
lamb
lambie
lan
lander
lash
last
lat
lathen
latten
laun
laur
law
lawyer
layman
Laz
leaf
lean
Lear
lear
leave
leavy
lech
leer
legoa
leman
lerot
lest
lewd
liar
libel
lich
lief
lien
lier
Lif
liin
limb
limbic
Limean
limn
Linet
linje
links
linty
Linus
lish
lisp
list
Llew
loave
locket
lockup
locus
lof
lohan
loo
loran
Lou
lowan
lox
lucken
Luo
lupulin
Lur
lush
lust
lux
Lycus
lye
M
m
Ma
ma
maam
macco
macro
mad
Madge
madly
mag
magma
Maia
maidlike
maim
malease
Malurus
Mam
mammy
mand
mange
mango
mangy
manly
mant
mantes
Manuel
Manx
map
maral
marco
marl
marry
Mart
mart
mas
Matatua
mathes
matrass
matross
May
may
Maya
maya
mazeful
me
mel
Melia
Melilotus
mend
Ment
Meo
Mer
merger
merit
merl
merse
Meum
mho
mi
middy
midst
mijl
milch
mima
Mime
mime
Mimi
mimiambic
minar
mind
minny
mint
minx
mird
misdo
missy
mitre
mneme
Mnium
Mo
mo
mohar
mohur
moio
mold
Moll
molt
momo
moph
morne
morph
Morse
morse
mossful
moth
mott
mowie
mowse
moyle
moyo
mu
mucro
mulier
mummy
mund
munge
mungo
mungofa
mungy
munt
mural
Muriel
murre
my
Mya
myalgic
myelocoele
Mymar
Myristica
myristica
N
n
Nantz
Natchez
naumk
neb
nee
neeger
neeld
Net
net
netful
netop
new
nid
nidor
nig
nim
nimbus
ninth
Nip
nip
nipper
noa
nod
nodder
nog
nohow
noir
noop
north
notchel
Notidanus
noun
nowt
noy
nth
nummi
nunhood
O
o
oak
oaky
oaritis
oat
obscene
octyl
ode
Odz
oe
off
offal
Ofo
Og
oii
oil
oilcan
Ok
olla
Olneya
olpe
om
omnist
ope
opt
orach
Orang
orang
orc
order
orf
ornis
oroide
Ortol
Os
os
ose
ouf
ouphe
our
overt
overwoman
ovine
ovist
ow
owner
owser
Ozias
P
p
paar
pact
pad
padder
pain
pair
palea
palli
Palta
pam
pampas
pap
parto
party
partyist
Parus
pash
past
Paulus
pawl
pay
payday
paynim
paysagist
peakiness
pean
pear
pech
pecket
peen
peer
Pelides
per
perten
peskiness
pest
Phalaenae
phalangal
phew
phi
pho
phu
pian
piano
Piast
Pict
pict
pien
pier
piety
piler
pilin
pillager
pious
pipit
pish
pist
pittance
plaidie
plainish
plak
plebe
plew
plouk
plug
plus
prabhu
prana
prank
preview
proavian
prochein
Procris
prog
proo
proof
prow
psoas
psocid
Psychidae
puan
puggi
pugh
pulli
pulpify
puree
push
pya
pyin
pyuria
Q
q
qoph
qua
Quaequae
quay
queasom
quei
quey
R
r
Rab
rab
rabbet
rache
raggil
ragman
rah
ramal
rammy
Ran
ran
rander
range
rangy
rastik
rat
ratten
raw
reabsorb
rebia
recur
reeve
refasten
regia
reglair
regrasp
relicense
remimic
remit
renascent
resistable
restack
restock
resweep
Rhea
rhea
rhema
Rhina
Rinde
rindy
rinse
Rio
rio
rix
riyal
roan
roar
roc
rocket
roer
roi
rollix
rompish
rood
rool
root
roove
rosebud
rotge
roub
roun
rowdy
rox
ruche
rudge
rumal
rummager
rummy
runby
rural
rustic
rux
rye
S
s
sa
saa
sad
Safawid
sag
saga
sage
sagy
sairly
saj
Saka
sake
Sakha
saki
salsify
salveline
Sam
sam
samel
Samsam
Santa
sap
sasa
Saura
savarin
say
scog
scow
scrimp
scrump
scurdy
scurvy
se
sec
seismic
sematic
semese
semis
Senlac
sepia
ser
Serb
sereh
Serer
serf
serger
serin
serow
seugh
sewer
sex
shi
shikken
shikra
shindig
Shlu
sho
shrill
shroff
shruff
Shu
si
sice
sider
sidth
Sika
sika
sike
sinew
sirenic
sise
sisi
sixer
sixth
sizz
ski
skoo
skull
sleck
slink
slock
slorp
sluglike
sma
smurry
snail
snoove
so
socii
sock
soco
Sollya
solvable
sook
sorcer
soso
soss
sough
sower
spa
spack
spall
spark
spitz
spy
staia
stank
Statice
statics
steamily
steek
steep
stoep
stoof
stook
stoop
strass
strew
striae
strid
Strix
strix
stroll
strom
strome
strow
stubbiness
stulm
stumplike
stumpy
stunk
subtilty
succi
suff
sugi
Suku
sunn
sunrise
surf
susi
Susu
susu
suwe
swow
syce
T
t
taar
Tabloid
tabloid
tabog
tach
tachhydrite
tact
taen
tain
Taipi
takt
taleful
talloel
tanan
taplash
tapul
tash
taste
tasty
taun
taur
Taxus
Td
teakettle
teaman
tean
tear
tease
teasy
tebbet
Tech
tech
tee
teemer
teen
teer
teety
ten
tender
tentillum
test
Tetrix
tew
tez
th
tharm
thaw
the
thecae
theorem
thew
thig
thight
thio
this
thisn
thorn
thug
thung
thurm
thus
tiar
tid
tien
tier
tig
tignum
Tim
timish
timist
tip
tipful
tipper
tiptop
toa
toady
toast
toatoa
Tod
tod
todder
toecap
tog
Tom
tomboy
tomcat
tomish
top
Tophet
topper
Topsy
totty
touse
tousy
toy
toyish
tra
trail
trews
trier
trior
trismic
trog
trolly
trow
truantism
try
tua
tuan
tuart
tug
tum
Tumboa
tumtum
tungsten
tunicle
tup
Tuscan
Tush
tush
twang
tweeg
tweel
U
u
uckia
ug
ugh
ulcery
ull
ultimo
ulu
um
ume
unbid
unbow
unde
undy
uneye
unfar
unfit
unfought
unfur
uniquity
unitism
unlid
untax
Unungun
unuse
updeck
upfly
uplick
uplift
uplock
uplook
uprun
Upupa
upwax
urde
Urdu
urf
Uro
Uru
Urukuena
urushi
us
use
ush
ust
Uzbek
V
v
vag
vanisher
varices
vas
vealy
vei
verbid
vervel
veuve
vex
vexful
video
vintager
visto
vlei
voar
Volapuk
Volta
vouge
W
w
Wa
wa
wace
wadset
waff
wage
waily
waive
waka
wake
waky
wanle
wanly
warf
warn
wase
wasplike
wawa
we
web
wee
Wega
weka
weki
wen
werf
wese
wet
wetly
Wezn
wheely
wheeze
whisk
whisp
wi
wice
wid
widdy
wieldy
wig
wim
windy
wirr
wis
wise
wisent
Wishram
wisplike
wisse
withe
withy
wo
wod
wog
wokowi
wolf
wop
wordy
worse
worst
woy
wreck
wry
Wu
wud
wudge
wup
wurrus
wy
wyke
wynn
X
x
xoana
xurel
xyrid
Xyris
xyst
Y
y
ya
yad
yam
Yanan
yap
yard
yarl
yas
yaya
ye
yeast
yelmer
yeo
yer
yerd
yex
yird
ym
yo
yodh
yogin
yojan
youse
yuft
Yuma
yurt
Z
z
zaman
zeburro
zee
Zen
zig
zip
Zipper
zipper
Zmudz
Zoa
zoa
zoolith

Dave Lewis

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Jun 12, 2002, 10:58:08 PM6/12/02
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How about the following...

television
Pittsburgh

and

SITESWAP

pete...@hotmail.com.nospam (Peter Bone) wrote in message news:<3d04c6df$0$23005$bed6...@news.gradwell.net>...

Peter Bone

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Jun 13, 2002, 10:08:38 AM6/13/02
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Dave Lewis wrote:
> How about the following...
>
> television
> Pittsburgh
>
> and
>
> SITESWAP
>

No they're not valid siteswaps. Do you know what the chance of a 10 letter
word being a valid siteswap is? 1 in n! = 1 in 3628800 i think (correct me
if i'm wrong).
Peter

Jay Linn

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Jun 13, 2002, 1:37:56 PM6/13/02
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"Peter Bone" <pete...@hotmail.com.nospam> wrote in message
news:3d08a765$0$22999$bed6...@news.gradwell.net...

> Dave Lewis wrote:
> > How about the following...
> >
> > television
> > Pittsburgh
> >
> > and
> >
> > SITESWAP
> >
>
> No they're not valid siteswaps. Do you know what the chance of a 10 letter
> word being a valid siteswap is? 1 in n! = 1 in 3628800 i think (correct me
> if i'm wrong).
> Peter

I beg to differ. 'television', 'pittsburgh', and indeed 'wanker' [1]
all appear to be valid siteswaps, for 22, 23, and 23 objects respectively
(I'm using all lower case because I can't remember if there is a special
meaning for upper case in site swap notation).

For those of you who remember a recent thread about an equally
rewarding use of one's spare time, 'googlewhacker' is also a valid site
swap.

Oh God, I've just noticed that 'masturbate' is valid *and* 10
letters long. I suspect there may be better uses of my time...

[1] ... and not forgetting 'twat' (25), 'pants' (23), 'melons' (22),
'arsewipe' (21) and many others too numerous and too humourous to mention.

--
Jay Linn

"Oh what bliss it was in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very heaven"


Alan Morgan

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Jun 13, 2002, 4:51:36 PM6/13/02
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In article <aeal9t$44g$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,

Jay Linn <Jay at jay dash linn dot co dot uk> wrote:
>"Peter Bone" <pete...@hotmail.com.nospam> wrote in message
>news:3d08a765$0$22999$bed6...@news.gradwell.net...
>> Dave Lewis wrote:
>> > How about the following...
>> >
>> > television
>> > Pittsburgh
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > SITESWAP
>> >
>>
>> No they're not valid siteswaps. Do you know what the chance of a 10 letter
>> word being a valid siteswap is? 1 in n! = 1 in 3628800 i think (correct me
>> if i'm wrong).
>> Peter
>
> I beg to differ. 'television', 'pittsburgh', and indeed 'wanker' [1]
>all appear to be valid siteswaps,

You are incorrect. None of them are valid siteswaps. The collisions are as
follows:

VV
television

VV
pittsburgh

V V
wanker

V V
siteswap

There may be other collisions, but just one is enough to elimiate a pattern
as a siteswap.

> For those of you who remember a recent thread about an equally
>rewarding use of one's spare time, 'googlewhacker' is also a valid site
>swap.

V V
Nope. googlewhacker

Alan
--
Defendit numerus

Peter Bone

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Jun 13, 2002, 5:40:36 PM6/13/02
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Alan Morgan wrote:
> In article <aeal9t$44g$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> Jay Linn <Jay at jay dash linn dot co dot uk> wrote:
> >"Peter Bone" <pete...@hotmail.com.nospam> wrote in message
> >news:3d08a765$0$22999$bed6...@news.gradwell.net...
> >> Dave Lewis wrote:
> >> > How about the following...
> >> >
> >> > television
> >> > Pittsburgh
> >> >
> >> > and
> >> >
> >> > SITESWAP
> >> >
> >>
> >> No they're not valid siteswaps. Do you know what the chance of a 10 letter
> >> word being a valid siteswap is? 1 in n! = 1 in 3628800 i think (correct me
> >> if i'm wrong).
> >> Peter
> >
> > I beg to differ. 'television', 'pittsburgh', and indeed 'wanker' [1]
> >all appear to be valid siteswaps,
>

What makes you think they are valid? Are you using the convention that 'a'
is 10 and 'b' is 11 etc? I was wrong before, the chance of a n period
siteswap being valid is n!/(n^n).

Jay Linn

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"Alan Morgan" <amo...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
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<snip>

> You are incorrect. None of them are valid siteswaps. The collisions are
as
> follows:
>
> VV
> television
>
> VV
> pittsburgh

<snipped the lesson in siteswap>

Oh dear. I had a vague feeling that I might be missing something,
and I was. Now I'll have to *really* try and find a satisfactorily puerile
example :-)

I still have a gut feeling that Peter's formulae for assessing the
probability of a siteswap being jugglable looks like it should yield an
unfeasibly low chance of success.

Sweavo

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Jun 14, 2002, 6:11:16 AM6/14/02
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"Jay Linn" <J...@feck.arse.gerrels> wrote in message
news:aec4da$uu9$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

> "Alan Morgan" <amo...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
> news:aeb0ko$hgv$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU...
>
> I still have a gut feeling that Peter's formulae for assessing the
> probability of a siteswap being jugglable looks like it should yield an
> unfeasibly low chance of success.

The function that determines the jugglability is a predicate and thus only
returns 100% or 0% proabability. This is in the universe where the hands
must alternate and are each full "half the time" IIRC.


Sweavo

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Jun 14, 2002, 9:08:36 AM6/14/02
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"Sweavo" <steveatjug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Note that proababilty is like probability but subtly different in very
clever
ways that only I can understand. Ahem.


Peter Bone

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Jun 14, 2002, 3:42:56 PM6/14/02
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Sweavo wrote:
> "Sweavo" <steveatjug...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:aecfh3$cpb$1...@pump1.york.ac.uk...
> > "Jay Linn" <J...@feck.arse.gerrels> wrote in message
> > news:aec4da$uu9$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > "Alan Morgan" <amo...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> wrote in message
> > > news:aeb0ko$hgv$1...@usenet.Stanford.EDU...
> > >
> > > I still have a gut feeling that Peter's formulae for assessing
> the
> > > probability of a siteswap being jugglable looks like it should yield an
> > > unfeasibly low chance of success.
> >

The chance must be at least this low because i searched through a list of
over a quarter of a million words and only found these hundred or so words

Uri Yurman

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Jun 14, 2002, 6:22:17 PM6/14/02
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it was odd to see that isaac (itsik, itzik) orr's both first and last name
are valid siteswaps :)

anyways, what I wanted to mention, for the hebrew speakers of you:

coos, koos, and kus are valid siteswaps.

non hebrew speakers - don't ask for translation :)

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