5 club 5 up 360 world record broken again by vova
AliTheJuggler
it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
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Spathever
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
My brains just went supernova.
Daniele Caselli
>it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
This time I agree with Gatto: what a waste of time...
Vova please try to break the 6-7-8 club WR, don't waste your time and
talent with such bullshit...
Daniele
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memento Gaudere semper.
rhalf
I think it isn't meaningless. It's a matter of honor.
bill coad
Only a waste of 1 minute:)
I heard that in the IJA numbers, Vova qualified 6 clubs and in the
remaining 6 club time slot he qualified 7 on his first and only attempt at
7.
I'm just wondering whether he's the first in these competitions to qualify
7 clubs without using any of the 7 club time slot.
Vasili
> This time I agree with Gatto: what a waste of time...
If Anthony thinks that's a waste of time, why did he break Vova's previous
record then?
Daniele Caselli
wrote:
>Daniele Caselli wrote:
>
>> This time I agree with Gatto: what a waste of time...
>
>If Anthony thinks that's a waste of time, why did he break Vova's previous
>record then?
Read his forum: he explained that... ;)
Fabio Pinna
wrote:
>tyhe title says it all
>it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
Mindblowing, to say the least.
To be very, very picky, first and the last ones should not count, former
finishing together with the timer starting, latter happening just while the
timer was stopping. I'm not going to be THAT picky, tho. [1]
Words fail me. From 21 to 29 it's a huge leap!
I wonder if Anthony is going to answer, this time around. He already stated
clearly that he thinks of this kind of record as a waste of time.
Fab.
[1] Going slo-motion just to check surely IS a waste of time.
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Spathever
>
> To be very, very picky, first and the last ones should not count, former
> finishing together with the timer starting, latter happening just while the
> timer was stopping. I'm not going to be THAT picky, tho. [1]
>
> [1] Going slo-motion just to check surely IS a waste of time.
The first was counted just like it says in the rules if I'm correct. And
the last one wasn't counted.
Chadd Hammer
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
> My brains just went supernova.
>
You mean supervova.
The Hammer
Spathever
> the last one wasn't counted.
>
No wait. It was. Well as you said Fabio, checking would be a waste of time.
Mats1
The 6-7-8 club world records are clearly unattainable for Vova right now.
His best taped run of 7 clubs is about 1 minute whereas the world record
stands at over 4 minutes and that's a massive difference.
The 6 club record is like 7 minutes or something stupid like this and
although I don't know figures I doubt Vova is near this... (someone got
numbers on his best runs).
8 clubs looked hard for Gatto and with Vova being significantly behind in
his numbers clubs right now I don't think he will be trying this one for a
while.
So for now Vova must be satisfied with this record. ^_^
Michael Karas
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
Haha, sissy set-up throws...Vova, stop being lazy and learn to 5 club 5-up
out of your left hand so you can get into the thirties.
I love that juggling has devolved into some sort of pointless comparison
of penis size.
~MK
Alan Thompson
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
Gatto is such an annoying prick. Vova has so much more integrity and
class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
Al Teal
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
Vova is much younger than Anthony. Anthony could possibly take this record
back, but it is almost certain, in my opinion, that Vova will take away
world records from more than one great juggler over the next twenty years.
For some comic relief, I would like to see the most 360s in a minute
without juggling or falling down but the spinner must stop between each
360 as if doing 1 up 360s. That would be more fun to watch at this point.
And some of you younger jugglers are crazy enough to do it. Please don't
hurt yourselves but I want videos, with outtakes.
Anonymous
Al Teal
the laws changed to allow a genetically-engineered Russian to be President
of the United States.
That was a joke everyone.
Spathever
>
> Spathever wrote:
> >
> > AliTheJuggler wrote:
> > >
> > > tyhe title says it all
> > > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> > >
> >
> > My brains just went supernova.
> >
>
> You mean supervova.
>
> The Hammer
>
You got me there :D
Spathever
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
>
> Haha, sissy set-up throws...Vova, stop being lazy and learn to 5 club 5-up
> out of your left hand so you can get into the thirties.
>
> I love that juggling has devolved into some sort of pointless comparison
> of penis size.
>
> ~MK
>
Well you know that the value of a juggler is directly related to the size
of his clubs... No wait...
Spathever
>
> For some comic relief, I would like to see the most 360s in a minute
> without juggling or falling down but the spinner must stop between each
> 360 as if doing 1 up 360s. That would be more fun to watch at this point.
> And some of you younger jugglers are crazy enough to do it. Please don't
> hurt yourselves but I want videos, with outtakes.
>
> Anonymous
>
That is hilarious :D
You're not going to post them on a certain imageboard I hope?
popstar_dave
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
That was damn impressive.
Just for the record, all the pirouettes (except for one) had only one
set-up throw. The other had five.
As has been discussed in other threads, I think improvement is capping out
around here, and future competitors will have to change strategy soon.
Whether it's asymetricising it and switching to no set-up throws, or
lowering the pirouette heights and perhaps trying them under doubles.
Cheers,
Dave
G.A.R
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
>
> Haha, sissy set-up throws...Vova, stop being lazy and learn to 5 club 5-up
> out of your left hand so you can get into the thirties.
>
> I love that juggling has devolved into some sort of pointless comparison
> of penis size.
>
> ~MK
>
Haha yeah. We have pointless record clashes ,competitive combat for money,
"battle for the presidency"... What is this, World Wrestling
Entertainment? Pretty soon gatto and vova will be coming up with their
own signature finisher moves.
Colin E.
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
> Gatto is such an annoying prick. Vova has so much more integrity and
> class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
>
Alan Thompson is a jerk. Adam Rowney is a true gent. Name calling is fun.
.. back to those playground years ... I feel another bout of nostalgia
coming on.
Colin E.
Sondre Øverby
What does that actually mean? All up, 360, collect, all up, 360, collect
etc?
Sondre Øverby
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
Yeah, I really didn't think any of them would go past 26 for some reason.
Wow.
Jaksi
idiot and see the big picture
Vasili
> To be very, very picky, first and the last ones should not count, former
> finishing together with the timer starting, latter happening just while the
> timer was stopping. I'm not going to be THAT picky, tho. [1]
Rules say that if the last 360 is started before the time is up, and all
clubs are caught after the 360, it counts. As for the first one the timer
was started right with Vova starting the 360.
Daniele Caselli
I don't really know! It's in contradiction with what he
said! :(
>Come on dont be such an idiot and see the big picture
It's quite difficult cause for me this kind of record is one of the
silliest thing you can do in juggling, just to brag that you hold a
world record, knowing that the real ones are too far from
you! And for real I mean these www.juggling.org/record
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memento Gaudere semper.
Daniele Caselli
>Rules say that
Who set the rules? I'm not sarcastic, I don't really know!
--
memento Gaudere semper.
Matthew Tiffany
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
> Gatto is such an annoying prick. Vova has so much more integrity and
> class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
>
at bjc/wjf hibrid notts 2007 vova and garfield both did exactly what gatto
has done, they locked themselves and their talents away for the majority
of the convention and didnt get involved and when u did see them their
faces for the most part looked like thunder.
tiff
xx
Spathever
>
> Vasili wrote:
> >Rules say that
>
> Who set the rules? I'm not sarcastic, I don't really know!
The standard WJF rules for 360 competitions. I'm sure you could find them
on their website.
Spathever
>
> Haha yeah. We have pointless record clashes ,competitive combat for money,
> "battle for the presidency"... What is this, World Wrestling
> Entertainment? Pretty soon gatto and vova will be coming up with their
> own signature finisher moves.
>
Now that would be cool ;)
Adam Rowney
>
> Alan Thompson wrote:
> >
> > AliTheJuggler wrote:
> > >
> > > tyhe title says it all
> > > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> > >
> >
> > Gatto is such an annoying prick. Vova has so much more integrity and
> > class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
> >
>
> Alan Thompson is a jerk. Adam Rowney is a true gent. Name calling is fun.
Thankyou :)
Tea and cucumber sandwiches at mine ;)
Fabio Pinna
>Rules say that if the last 360 is started before the time is up, and all
>clubs are caught after the 360, it counts. As for the first one the timer
>was started right with Vova starting the 360.
Don't get me wrong, Vasili, I was not bashing on Vova or saying that it's 27
instead or 29.
My comment was to mean that EVEN if one were to nitpick and brag about
counting more spins that were due, it's mindblowing anyway. 27 or 29 doesn't
change the incredible achievement that Vova got there. Glad to hear that it IS
indeed 29, and that there was no miscounting - but I wasn't suggesting
otherwise.
However, I must say that the general attitute around these episodes, makes me
agree with Michael Karas.
Fab.
Reading again my previous post, I realize I could have been clearer...
Happens a lot, lately.
Fabio Pinna
(Sondre Řverby) wrote:
>What does that actually mean? All up, 360, collect, all up, 360, collect
>etc?
It actually means nothing up, 360, stop, nothing up, 360, stop, etc.
IveGotBalls
>
> >What does that actually mean? All up, 360, collect, all up, 360, collect
> >etc?
>
> It actually means nothing up, 360, stop, nothing up, 360, stop, etc.
>
>
after reading this, it made me think if the times in junior school...
..i can actually remeber doing this sometime ago...
ben
Spathever
>
> >What does that actually mean? All up, 360, collect, all up, 360, collect
> >etc?
>
> It actually means nothing up, 360, stop, nothing up, 360, stop, etc.
>
>
Nothing up 360? Whoa I gotta try that!
.. ;)
popstar_dave
>
> Fabio Pinna wrote:
> >
> > On 24 Jul 2008 07:42:53 GMT, sondre_...@sjonglering.com.nospam.com
> >
> > It actually means nothing up, 360, stop, nothing up, 360, stop, etc.
> >
> >
>
> Nothing up 360? Whoa I gotta try that!
> .. ;)
>
It's pretty tough... you've gotta really concentrate on getting that
'nothing' nice and high.
Dave
zhorik
>
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
> >
> > Vasili wrote:
> > >Rules say that
> >
> > Who set the rules? I'm not sarcastic, I don't really know!
>
> The standard WJF rules for 360 competitions. I'm sure you could find them
> on their website.
>
intellectual property of the WJF. By competing for the record without the
aegis of the WJF, Anthony is engaging in no less than intellectual
property theft and I suspect is seriously risking being banned from WJF
competitions for at least a year.
Vasili
>
> On 24 Jul 2008 08:29:33 GMT, galtc...@mail.ru.nospam.com (Vasili) wrote:
>
> >Rules say that if the last 360 is started before the time is up, and all
> >clubs are caught after the 360, it counts. As for the first one the timer
> >was started right with Vova starting the 360.
>
I think I didn't get you wrong, I just explained.
ManiacDrew
> It's quite difficult cause for me this kind of record is one of the
> silliest thing you can do in juggling, just to brag that you hold a
> world record
Shut up and break the record *yourself*.
How about getting half the number yourself?
As one who is currently struggling to learn
five based patterns, I respect those that
have the ability to set records like this one.
There are two+ types of critics here:
1. Those that have the ability
2. Those that don't
What irks me is people like you who "can't do" bashing records like this.
As for me, I will continue to try to beat Vova's 60 catches of 5 cane
singles
and when I finally do, I will be very happy with beating such a "silly"
record.
MD
Vasili
> Who set the rules?
Yes, Spathever is right. These are the WJF rules for 360 competition. So I
guess Jason Garfield set them.
Vasili
> The problem here is that the rules and this competition are the
> intellectual property of the WJF. By competing for the record without the
> aegis of the WJF, Anthony is engaging in no less than intellectual
> property theft and I suspect is seriously risking being banned from WJF
> competitions for at least a year.
Yeah, or even for two years... Wait, wait, it looks like Vova is risking
being banned from WJF competitions as well. Oh my god! Thomas will be an
overall champion again.
charliejuggler
I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
C
Little Paul
>
> That was a joke everyone.
I'm glad you pointed out that it was a joke. Could you now explain
which bit of it is supposed to be triggering gales of unstoppable
laughter? Cheers luv.
-Paul
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Jason Perry
>
> I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
Are they any more pointless than any other juggling
trick/pattern/combination?
Maybe we should come up with a ranking system for pointless juggling
tricks, starting at pointless, and finishing at absolutely, utterly,
stupidly, ridiculously, totally pointless?
Pointless: 3 ball cascade
charliejuggler
C
AliTheJuggler
oh and by the way i dont think the 3 ball cascade is pointless as it is
the basis from which i learned every other pattern i know
also it eventually leads up to things like 11 ball flashes etc which i
dont find pointless
Doyen Dean
5 up pirouette = crowd pleaser = moneymaker = not pointless. At least for
some people. The same argument against pointlessness can be made for most
tricks, but not in my case, unfortunately.
bill coad
'under the leg' can also be a crowd pleaser, is there a record or WJF
category for that?
Spathever
>
> 'under the leg' can also be a crowd pleaser, is there a record or WJF
> category for that?
>
I believe you can, or atleast could score extra points for this.
Vince
It's a way for them to improve in an area to closest point of perfection
they can reach.
Competition or no, good motivation to improve.
I'm impressed. I've only ever managed a 5c 3 up 360 on a good good day. So
let them have their fun.
Fabio Pinna
wrote:
>oh and by the way i dont think the 3 ball cascade is pointless as it is
>the basis from which i learned every other pattern i know
>also it eventually leads up to things like 11 ball flashes etc which i
>dont find pointless
I think Luke may have something to say on the subject.
http://www.jugglingdb.com/compendium/startjuggling/jugglingispointless.html
Fab.
ManiacDrew
> I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
>
> C
1. You keep using this term "pirouettes".
I don't think it means what you think it means.
2. All "goals" in juggling are "pointless" by your logic.
I guess my problem is with the people without skill
(like yourself) bashing an achievement in juggling.
THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL JUGGLING ACHIEVEMENTS.
Spins, number of catches, backflips, number of objects, duration are
all "rules" that govern achievements in juggling. Why hate any of it?
ALSO SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfuiSJ0mBUM
mini mansell
>
> charliejuggler wrote:
>
> > I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> > pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
> >
> > C
>
> 1. You keep using this term "pirouettes".
> I don't think it means what you think it means.
>
the term Pirouette has been around and used as a reference in juggling
for a long long time.
a few years ago there was the start of a small movement to replace the
word with 360's it was a small movement. still is. the term Pirouette
still exists and as charlie proved by using it, its still in fairly common
usage. i use it probably daily.
> 2. All "goals" in juggling are "pointless" by your logic.
>
>
> I guess my problem is with the people without skill
> (like yourself) bashing an achievement in juggling.
>
that was a personal attack. Charlie has many skills, juggling just one
of them.
> THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL JUGGLING ACHIEVEMENTS.
>
> Spins, number of catches, backflips, number of objects, duration are
> all "rules" that govern achievements in juggling. Why hate any of it?
>
> ALSO SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfuiSJ0mBUM
>
> MD
>
nice video. but was it juggling?
krista
Pirouette used to be the only term in use to describe 360s in juggling.
I think it means exactly what he thinks it means.
Maybe his level of skill isn't up to 29 5-up pirouettes in a minute (and
I'm assuming yours isn't either)
but that is not to say he has no skill, and does not entitle you to say he
doesn't. Relax, and cut the
name-calling. He can have his opinion, and you can disagree, but there's
no need to insult him. You're
an adult.
Also, I haven't seen any juggling competitions specific to backflips, but
maybe I'm the only one who
missed the backflip competition...
Jason Quinn
> I'm impressed. I've only ever managed a 5c 3 up 360 on a good good day. So
> let them have their fun.
I couldn't even break Vova's old number of spins with 3-club 3-ups in a
minute like alone this. It's really remarkable how talented people like
Vova and Gatto are. Their 5-club 360s are so easy that you almost forget
that the trick itself is hard as hell. Maybe it's genetics. Maybe it's
practice style. Or perhaps I'm just a product of the pre-Youtube era when
5-club 360 were considered hard. Did that point-of-view influence my
juggling? If you grow up thinking 5-club was a "very hard trick" will it
be self-fulfilling? Probably. The one common thread among the world's
absolute best jugglers seems to be that they started very young. For those
of us who don't start until the teenager years, I think those 10 years or
so missed are very difficult to make up. Sure there are exceptions and
extra practice can narrow the gap. Garfield didn't start until he was like
15'ish, if memory serves. The trend remains though.
Jason
bill coad
> I think it means exactly what he thinks it means.
popular.
> Also, I haven't seen any juggling competitions specific to backflips, but
> maybe I'm the only one who
> missed the backflip competition...
2007 RIT 'best trick of the fest' was won by Brandon doing a 3 high back
flip. That's one way these competitions get started.
ManiacDrew
I meant to REPEAT THE THEME:
"There are two+ types of critics here:
1. Those that have the ability
2. Those that don't
What irks me is people like you who "can't do" bashing records like this."
Not to stay "charliejuggler" is devoid of all skill.
"nice video. but was it juggling?"
I'm defending SPINS being a valid goal (like other goals).
krista: "Relax, and cut the name-calling. "
What name did I call him?
krista :"Also, I haven't seen any juggling competitions specific to
backflips, but maybe I'm the only one who missed the backflip
competition..."
That was a hypothetical "goal" to illustrate my point.
I feel that there is room for many different achievements in juggling.
The "spins are pointless crowd" is taking the position that the spin
achievement is excessive (as though there isn't enough room to track it.
My "resting point" here is that if there is any "insult" here it is the
people bashing Vova's achievement; ESPECIALLY the people who cannot do
the same thing (as opposed to Gatto who can). I believe the name for
that would be "hater", but I will not resort to namecalling, OK?
Aside from diabolo,* it's all good!
MD
*
1. A parady on the hatred towards diabolo wins at 2007 IJA
2. A parady of myself taking jabs at diabolo "users" at 2008 IJA
Erik Jernqvist
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
> Yeah, I really didn't think any of them would go past 26 for some reason.
Told ya.
> Wow.
Indeed.
GLF00
>
>
> It's quite difficult cause for me this kind of record is one of the
> silliest thing you can do in juggling, just to brag that you hold a
> you! And for real I mean these www.juggling.org/record
Why exactly are those "real" records? Because Gatto said so? Because
those are the type of records that have been worked on before the WJF came
into being? Granted, I see the point in records like that being
considered the "standard" records, if you will, because almost anything
could be claimed as a record. BUT: It irks me that certain people think
they have the right to claim that only some records are valid, because
those are the type of record their idol holds.
People, come out of your comfort zones for a minute. The juggling world
is changing, like it or not. Several years ago, the type of juggler that
everyone wanted to be was the one who wore a shiny vest, performed a
circus-esque routine in front of a Las Vegas audience, etc. That has
changed. You still get people wanting to do that, sure. But things have
broadened out.
It used to be that hobbyists thought "Oh, I could never juggle seven
clubs. That's only for the special entertainers". But now we've got
hobbyists doing things most performers can't, and yet the hobbyists don't
care to perform! It used to be that all juggling acts were created with a
non-juggling audience in mind. That's no longer true!!!
So move with the times. It seems that a lot of "old school" jugglers are
resenting the direction that juggling is taking. Well, that's too bad,
because they really can't stop it. They can claim that us hobbyists
aren't "real" jugglers, they can claim that the WJF will die out, they can
call the really creative jugglers "weirdos", they can basically throw a
childish temper tantrum. But you know what? All it's going to do is show
what big babies they are, and maybe influence a few people who look up to
them like they are gods.
krista
>
> ManiacDrew wrote:
>
> I meant to REPEAT THE THEME:
>
> "There are two+ types of critics here:
> 1. Those that have the ability
> 2. Those that don't
>
> What irks me is people like you who "can't do" bashing records like this."
>
>
> Not to stay "charliejuggler" is devoid of all skill.
>
>
I am going to assume you meant "say," not "stay." Also, you said "I guess
my problem is with the
people without skill
(like yourself) bashing an achievement in juggling." Therefore saying he
is devoid of skill.
>
>
> "nice video. but was it juggling?"
>
> I'm defending SPINS being a valid goal (like other goals).
>
>
>
>
> krista: "Relax, and cut the name-calling. "
>
> What name did I call him?
>
>
>
> krista :"Also, I haven't seen any juggling competitions specific to
> backflips, but maybe I'm the only one who missed the backflip
> competition..."
>
> That was a hypothetical "goal" to illustrate my point.
Actually, I believe you called it a "rule that governs achievements in
juggling." Again, just me reading
things too literally.
>
> I feel that there is room for many different achievements in juggling.
> The "spins are pointless crowd" is taking the position that the spin
> achievement is excessive (as though there isn't enough room to track it.
>
>
>
>
> My "resting point" here is that if there is any "insult" here it is the
> people bashing Vova's achievement; ESPECIALLY the people who cannot do
> the same thing (as opposed to Gatto who can). I believe the name for
> that would be "hater", but I will not resort to namecalling, OK?
You misunderstand me. I am in no way defending the thought that Vova's
achievement is silly and/or
pointless. I myself was quite impressed with it, and I do think it's
wonderful to push limits and break
records, so I'm with you on that one. But being a "hater" (sorry if I used
an incorrect term in my
previous post, I'm really not up on the lingo of today's youth) is not the
way to go about it. That's how
times when we should be in awe of the results of hard work and dedication
become times where we
resort to being petty and "hating" on each other. Come on guys, where's
the love?
ManiacDrew
> Also, you said "I guess
> my problem is with the
> people without skill
> (like yourself) bashing an achievement in juggling." Therefore saying he
> is devoid of skill.
Yes. I mispoke in the second post (assuming people knew what I really
meant).
I do NOT think charliejuggler is "devoid of skill"
1. I don't know him at all.
2. I assume with a name like charlieJUGGLER, he has *some* skill.
> Actually, I believe you called it a "rule that governs achievements in
> juggling." Again, just me reading things too literally.
I use "rule" the same way it is used in creative discovery.
NOT "rule" the way it is used in WJF competitions or law.
> > My "resting point" here is that if there is any "insult" here it is the
> > people bashing Vova's achievement; ESPECIALLY the people who cannot do
> > the same thing (as opposed to Gatto who can).
> You misunderstand me. I am in no way defending the thought that Vova's
> achievement is silly and/or pointless.
I didn't say YOU did.
The statement applied to those who typed "silly"
or agreed with the "silly" position.
> That's how times when we should be in awe of the results of hard work and
> dedication become times where we resort to being petty and "hating" on each
> other. Come on guys, where's the love?
THIS.
(Personally, I *assume* that it comes from Gatto fanboys, imitating Gatto's
position and bashing Vova (in this case). Ironically, Gatto continues with
the "silly" competition which, inturn, hangs his fanboys out there.)
I think Vova (and Gatto's) competition is great in and of itself. I loved
watching Vova compete with Doug Sayers in 2007 on "number of catches with
5 canes in singles".
COMPETition is great.
InCOMPETent people bashing COMPETitive people who achieve aren't great.
MD
P.S. Thanks to Vova's inspiration, I will be very glad the day that I get
a SINGLE 5 up 360 (with 5 canes in singles). If someone hates on that, they
will probably get 5 ultra light canes gently tossed into their grill with
haste, followed by the words . . . "Try it."
bill coad
>
> Daniele Caselli wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's quite difficult cause for me this kind of record is one of the
> > silliest thing you can do in juggling, just to brag that you hold a
> > world record, knowing that the real ones are too far from
> > you! And for real I mean these www.juggling.org/record
>
> Why exactly are those "real" records? Because Gatto said so? Because
> those are the type of records that have been worked on before the WJF came
> into being?
joggling, juggling while inverted, Kremo's 1440 with cigar boxes, and the
ever popular "am I the youngest to qualify 7"
The link 'real' Daniele gave doesn't include bounce records, which I
assume he would also categorize as real.
IMO, there are silly records such as being the tallest person that don't
require skill.
Records such as just set by Vova are worthy since there are multiple
competitors at the top of their field that are chasing the same record.
It doesn't get much better than that.
Good job Vova, and go for it Anthony!
ultimatewannabe
I think you are very right about the correlation between age and skill.
Has there every been someone who started juggling after age 15 who got
anywhere near as good as those who started before age 10? Vova, Gatto,
Wes and Deitz are simply in a world of their own. I definitely think age
is a factor but obviously not the only one. Unfortunately I probably
started to late to ever land something really really cool on video (7 club
7 up 360, 5 club 5 up all in backcrosses, 100 catches of 9 objects, 7 ring
half shower, multiple 7 ball 7 up 360s in one run, or any of those totally
nuts things I really want to do).
Mike
GLF00
>
>
> I think you are very right about the correlation between age and skill.
> Has there every been someone who started juggling after age 15 who got
> anywhere near as good as those who started before age 10?
>
Matt Hall started a lot later than most people, and he's awesome! And if
I remember correctly, Cate Flaherty didn't start until 17 or so, and she's
great too.
But then again, those probably aren't exactly the examples you were
looking for, because both Matt and Cate focus on different styles of
juggling than Vova and Gatto.
ultimatewannabe
I'm certainly not saying people can't do amazing things unless they start
young. That's obviously not true but I do think that the upper limits of
technical juggling are higher for those who began at a very early age.
Matt and Cate do awesome things but in purely technical juggling, their
skill is many orders of magnitude below Gatto and Vova.
Jason Quinn
> I definitely think age is a factor but obviously not the only one.
The other factors are being unusually dedicated and focused for a child.
And having parents that encourage and support your juggling is a big plus.
It also helps to know about and be a part of the juggling community. I
languished for about 8 years not really seeing or even talking to other
jugglers.
The shear amount of practices the top tier puts into juggling is crazy.
Deitz practices "8 hours a day". Let's be more conservative and say that
on average he has practiced roughly 4 hours a day since he was a child of
6'ish or so. At 4 hours a day, that's 28 hours a week or roughly 3 times
the amount that I practice a week. And he's been doing it for about about
1.5 times as long as I have. So roughly he has practiced four and half
times as much as I have assuming all the numbers are decent ballpark
estimates. And he got those important young years in. That's a lot of
practice!
Jason
charliejuggler
>
> charliejuggler wrote:
>
> > I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> > pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
> >
> > C
>
> 1. You keep using this term "pirouettes".
> I don't think it means what you think it means.
I think it does. "spinning around about a vertical axis". er. that's it.
You say tomato....
>
> 2. All "goals" in juggling are "pointless" by your logic.
Yep. Most goals in juggling are pointless. That doesn't mean they're not
worth doing for oneself.
>
>
> I guess my problem is with the people without skill
> (like yourself) bashing an achievement in juggling.
I have skill in many things, not all of which you'd recognise, old chap. I
can juggle and teach the basics with all juggling props you'd care to
mention, and unicycle, globe, rola bola, static trapeze...I don't care
about numbers, or silly records, or making myself look bigger than my
5foot9andabitinches. I can also grow vegetables and cook a mean dinner,
and I'm working on the rest of Heinlein's list
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects (16 so far).
Oh, and I'm not bashing the achievement (well done Vova, glad to see he's
moved on from the 7-club 3-count I taught him at BJC in Wales many moons
ago), just the value people put on this kind of valueless box checking
approach to a beautiful art. Or sport. Or thing. While failing to
recognise that this is all just showboating for muggles.
>
> THERE IS ROOM FOR ALL JUGGLING ACHIEVEMENTS.
You're really shouting now. Have you considered less coffee?
>
> Spins, number of catches, backflips, number of objects, duration are
> all "rules" that govern achievements in juggling. Why hate any of it?
I don't hate anything. See above.
>
> ALSO SEE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfuiSJ0mBUM
>
You're shouting again. I've seen the pretty girl do lotsa pirouettes, and
still think her costume would be improved by a wimple (and I'm still
annoyed by the TV coverage).
> MD
>
CJ
JugglerPeter
I started juggling at about 7 years old (maybe younger, I can't remeber),
but all the tricks you mentioned are far beyond my abilities or even
daydreams. The important thing isn't so much how early you start, but how
you train at that early age. I learned to juggle, learned clubs not too
long after that, but then never really trained hard with a brief exception
in high school, until recently.
I had no coach requiring me to do an hour or two a day of serious
practice, and then helping make sure that I was improving with that
practice. I think that early coaching, more so even than age starting is
the the key piece that people like vova, anthony wes peden, albert lucas,
etc. all had - not just an early start, but excellent training from that
early start, so that whether or not they had a desire to get to the level
they eventually attained, they were practicing seriously and continually
pushing to get better from a young age. This meant that when they finally
matured and started to develop a personal style, they already had an
excellent foundation to work from.
Fabio Pinna
wrote:
>This meant that when they finally
>matured and started to develop a personal style, they already had an
>excellent foundation to work from.
Don't forget the most important thing: they all ultimately have an hell of a
good time working on those foundation.
Practice may be hard, but you can't simply get past a certain point without
being madly in love with what you do.
And I know many jugglers that work very hard, but totally do not enjoy
themselves while juggling. I wonder where's the point in that.
Fab.
Enjoying pushups.
JugglerPeter
Well, remember that when Vova broke it no one had ever heard of the record
before. Maybe some of the WJF competitors could have told you what the
record was, but I bet that Vova and/or Jason had to look it up before they
pitched it to Celebrity Circus as a record that Vova could break.
THAT is why it's a silly record. Not because it's not an achievement,
it's a very impressive achievement. It's silly because no one knew it
existed until Vova broke it. Does anyone know what the 5 ball 360s in one
minute or 5 ring 360s in one minute is? Is there any way to even find it
out without comparing the results of all the wjf competitions and looking
for the largest number?
G.A.R
G.A.R
>
> charliejuggler wrote:
> >
> > I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> > pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
>
> Are they any more pointless than any other juggling
> trick/pattern/combination?
>
> Maybe we should come up with a ranking system for pointless juggling
> tricks, starting at pointless, and finishing at absolutely, utterly,
> stupidly, ridiculously, totally pointless?
>
> Pointless: 3 ball cascade
>
>
I can't believe how much people are arguing over this. If this were just
some unknown juggler posting to show how many times he could spin, things
would be different. Because this is a well known juggler we're dealing
with, everyone seems to want to criticize whether he's spending his time
correctly in trying to do it. Why can't people just leave a couple "good
job vova" comments, *END OF THREAD*.
Doyen Dean
>
> Jason Perry wrote:
> >
> > charliejuggler wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> > > pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
> >
> > Are they any more pointless than any other juggling
> > trick/pattern/combination?
> >
> > Maybe we should come up with a ranking system for pointless juggling
> > tricks, starting at pointless, and finishing at absolutely, utterly,
> > stupidly, ridiculously, totally pointless?
> >
>
leave a couple "good
> job vova" comments, *END OF THREAD*.
>
Because it's totally more fun and time consuming this way (jugglers have
to do SOMEthing when they aren't juggling.) I have to say I usually enjoy
arguments where neither side can be wrong or right, but only state their
opinions in a passionate manner. It's fun to follow ;-)
ManiacDrew
>
1. You're late.
2. Apparently, you didn't read earlier clarifications.
3. The "shouting" was for needed emphasis (see #2)
and was not meant to imply energy but bold text.
4. The "I'm not hating Vova while hating Vova's behavior"
position is weak. IF someone wants to have goals like
spins, then that should be fine ESPECIALLY considering
the exclusitivity of the achievement.
That's all.
MD
ManiacDrew
> And I know many jugglers that work very hard, but totally do not enjoy
> themselves while juggling. I wonder where's the point in that.
>
> Fab.
I am in that catagory.
I continue to practice because I want to reach the goal.
I have no "natural talent" and would rather pay someone
$3,000 then put in the practice, however, I know that is
not possible and I am willing to continue to practice so
that I can eventually run the pattern. I expect the "fun"
to come in when I can access the pattern in a freestyle.
MD
Guy G
>
> charliejuggler wrote:
>
> > I can't do it, nor am I likely to. I've never seen the point of
> > pirouettes in the first place. I agree with Daniele that it's silly.
> >
> > C
>
> 1. You keep using this term "pirouettes".
> I don't think it means what you think it means.
Of course he knows what it means. The very idea that he's misusing it, or
doesn't know what it means is inconceivable.
Guy
--
Who also thinks it's silly
ultimatewannabe
>
> And I know many jugglers that work very hard, but totally do not enjoy
> themselves while juggling. I wonder where's the point in that.
>
> Fab.
> Enjoying pushups.
>
>
Do you never do things that you dislike or feel indifferent towards
because you really desired the end results of those activities? Are you
absolutely in love with your job? Do you love eating healthy food? Do
you love paying taxes? Did you love homework as a child?
We all do things which we don't like simply to achieve an end result.
Some people juggle because juggling is relaxing or fun or whatever
enjoyable thing it is for them. Some people juggle solely to improve.
Whatever the reason, we all do enjoy the end results. Is there anyone who
can't stand watching a good juggler? And by good I mean good at whatever
qualities you choose to value in juggling.
I really like lists and check marks. It's not for everyone and I
understand why some people don't like it but if I really enjoy making
lists of things to achieve and checking them off. I do this with all
kinds of skills and it's extremely fun for me. I also have a unique
fondness for well designed backpacks and duffle bags. It's also not for
everyone but they do make me extremely happy. There are too many things
that people enjoy for you to possibly understand all of them.
Mike
charliejuggler
C
charliejuggler
> charliejuggler wrote:
>
> 1. You're late.
Sorry, the beer at the pub was particularly nice and I had to stay and
drink some of it, otherwise it would have gone off. Kind of a public
service.
> 2. Apparently, you didn't read earlier clarifications.
Yes, I did.
> 3. The "shouting" was for needed emphasis (see #2)
> and was not meant to imply energy but bold text.
Hmm. OK then, but it's usually regarded as SHOUTING.
> 4. The "I'm not hating Vova while hating Vova's behavior"
> position is weak. IF someone wants to have goals like
> spins, then that should be fine ESPECIALLY considering
> the exclusitivity of the achievement.
What's with the 'hating' stuff? I said I thought records like this were
silly, I didn't say I hated anyone. I'm sure Vova is a nice chap. I'm
happy for anyone to juggle however it pleases them.
I'm just bemused by why you've taken one comment about something being
silly and decided that it implies a) I have no skill and b) hate random
people.
C
>
> That's all.
>
> MD
>
ManiacDrew
> I'm just bemused by why you've taken one comment about something being
> silly and decided that it implies a) I have no skill and b) hate random
> people.
>
> C
There must be some sort of cultural difference, or perhaps you are just
pretending you don't understand so that I explain my position over and
over.
Let's try the dictionary:
1. When it comes to breaking Vova's record you are "incompetent".
i.e. "not competent; lacking qualification or ability" (to break Vova's
record). Therefore, you do NOT have the skill to do the task. You may have
other skills, however I am not discussing those in this thread. For the
last time, I did not word it correctly when I mentioned you had "no skill".
I assume by your handle that you can juggle, and even lacing shoes takes
"skill". Thus, in the context of this thread I am merely saying you cannot
get 29 5 up 360s like Vova.
2. What is a "Hater"?
"A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So
rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."
. . .
"Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater
doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater
wants to knock somelse down a notch."
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hater
FACT: Vova set a 5 up 360 record.
FACT: You said "I agree with Daniele that it's silly."
FACT: By saying Vova's record setting is "silly" you
are attempting to "take Vova (and those who set such
records) down a notch.
It does NOT mean that you actually dislike Vova.
It merely means that like a heckler, you are one
who not only lacks the ability we are discussing,
but have also taken the time to call it "silly"
at Vova's expense.
That clearly fits the definition of. . . "hater."
Here's your que to backpeddle, again.
If you no longer feel that Vova's spin
record setting is silly, just say so.
Somehow, I get the feeling that you'll
stick to the idea that you think I am
saying you are devoid of all skill and
greatly dislike Vova. I guess the caps
didn't help afterall. <shrugs>
MD
P.S.
Read carefully: Note that I did not actually call you a hater
above (or in this thread) even though the definition fits so
that I cannot be said that I resorted to "namecalling" even
though I am an adult? Just covering my booty for those that
may overlook the substance of my position and go for the
"don't call people names" mantra.
P.S.
I "yelled" my initials "MD" 11 lines up from here.
I "yelled" "NOT" 30 lines up from here.
What I wrote before was not yelled, I was simply adding emphasis.
Thanks.
Jaksi
He has been the ultimate best for 20 years with no challenge what so ever.
I think he enjoys this little challenge (easy feat for him, but surely
something he cannot do with his eyes closed and headbounce). Of course
meanwhile he has to protect his "art good sport bad" position by calling
this whole thing silly etc (while still breaking the records) since
breaking records is very much in the sport side.
As for the rest of you, dunno what your problem is. Even if any of you had
the smallest chance at poking this record, every hobby/sport/even art has
its records. Why not juggling?
I have said this before, but ill say it again: I love that these two
greats are being competetive. I myself enjoy this situation immensely.
First the 7club 5ups and now these.
charliejuggler
> charliejuggler wrote:
>> I'm just bemused by why you've taken one comment about something being
>> silly and decided that it implies a) I have no skill and b) hate random
>> people.
>>
>> C
>
>
> There must be some sort of cultural difference, or perhaps you are just
> pretending you don't understand so that I explain my position over and
> over.
>
>
> Let's try the dictionary:
OK, in an attempt to kill this thread:
- I agree I can't do the trick Vova was doing (nor actually many more he
can do), nor am I ever likely to have the patience to be able to
- If you think I fit the definitions of a word from some random internet
dictionary, then fair enough: I was going on the original meaning of
'hate' which seemed a bit strong
- I still think the record (like most of the Guinness ones) is silly,
and I'm not backpedalling on that.
C
Guy G
> 2. What is a "Hater"?
> "A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So
> rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person."
> . . .
> "Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater
> doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater
> wants to knock somelse down a notch."
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hater
Nice. That really made me chuckle. And for a moment I thought you were
being serious. ManiacDrew, I salute your satirical skills.
Guy
Little Paul
>
> I have no "natural talent" and would rather pay someone
> $3,000 then put in the practice
Contact me off list and I'll give you my paypal address and
you can pay me $3K and then put in the practice.
-Paul
Or did you mean "than"?
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Fabio Pinna
(ultimatewannabe) wrote:
>Do you never do things that you dislike or feel indifferent towards
>because you really desired the end results of those activities?
I got exactly the reactions that I was expecting with my original post.
>Are you absolutely in love with your job?
I used to be a programmer, and then an IT technician for an insurance company,
I quitted to go to circus school. No, I didn't love my job, but I surely love
what I do right now. I guess that I _do_ love my job as of now, actually ;)
>Do you love eating healthy food?
Totally. It's not true that healthy = unpleasant. If it's well cooked,
anything is tasty. I love eating well-cooked food. And I love well-cooked
healthy food more than well-cooked junk food (especially because there's not
such thing).
>Do you love paying taxes?
Hmm. You may have got me on this :)
>Did you love homework as a child?
I managed to go through high school without doing most of the homework I was
assigned. My parents could testify that, I guess :)
>We all do things which we don't like simply to achieve an end result.
>Some people juggle because juggling is relaxing or fun or whatever
>enjoyable thing it is for them. Some people juggle solely to improve.
I think you're mistaking "fun and relaxing" with "enjoyable". It's not the
same thing.
>Whatever the reason, we all do enjoy the end results.
I know some people that practices hard, very hard, expecting to have
exceptional results. Then they don't enjoy their practice (and remember,
"enjoying" and "having fun" may be two completely different things).
Then they feel that the achievements they get do not make up for all the time
spent suffering through practicing. End results: completely disappointed.
You all missed my point. I wasn't talking about me, you, or your average
neighbour, in my original post. I was talking about poeple that is commonly
renowed as the best in what they do.
You can't be the best at something without being madly, deeply in love with
that. Period. You need to have that urge that makes you get out of bed early
in the morning, just to do something. The same urge that makes you go to sleep
late at night for the same reasons. The same urge that relieves the stress out
of hard practice, and makes that hard practice second nature.
I don't know ANY passionate juggler (or skater, or acrobat, or painter) that
finds hard practice (or working to buy colors) a burden. It's second nature,
it's part of the process.
Rodney Mullen my explain himself better than I'm doing right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekzjzFFE_pY
My whole point can be summed up in his sentence: "I can't wait to wake up in
the morning... to try something new. I can't sleep because I can't wait to try
something new."
I got to knew many people, young and old, who found practice a burden. But
practice is a burden only if you don't enjoy the results, or if you're not in
love with what practice is about. In those cases, practice is hard, but is not
a burden. When Anthony Gatto found that juggling was a burden to him, he went
gardening. Then he came back, and I bet he's enjoying juggling right now, or
he wouldn't be making videos just for the sake of it, or spending time after a
record he doesn't really care about (like he stated originally). We can always
ask him. "Hey AG, do you like juggling?" I wonder how he would answer that.
Of all the names mentioned in this thread, I only got to know Thomas Dietz
personally, at a couple of conventions. There are few people that enjoy
juggling like he does, and you can absolutely tell by looking at him when he's
practicing, when he's performing, when he's playing around, heck, even when
he's trying to learn a neck catch. He is having fun. Like a small child
playing. Except that a small child cannot do 7up pirouettes.
Olympic athletes. Do you really think that one can go to the Olympics without
being madly passionate about his skill? I know a lot of gymnasts. They all
start at age 5, or 6, or 7 at most, and can do things that most of us could
only dream of. And even tho, most of them, even some extremely talented
people, drop out of gymnastics around 18, 19, 20, you name it. Some go on
training other gymnasts, some go stuntman, some go circus. Why?
Because they don't have that urge to go, and practice. Some DO have that urge,
and end up doing world-wide competitions, inventing new moves, new techniques,
pushing their limits beyond and beyond and beyond.
I'm not talking about me and you now, neither I was in my original post.
I was talking about people that undoubtely way above average. There's not many
people like Anthony Gatto, Vova, Thomas Dietz, or Stefan Sing. Stefan is
completely unbelievable, I've seen him practice for whole days and night at
conventions, without ever stopping. He can do incredible things, and
ultimately loves every moment of doing them. Vova, I met Vova at the 2007 BJC.
I didn't talk to him much, but he spent some time passing clubs with a friend
of mine, and I was looking at him. I also was looking at him when he was
practicing in the gym, as I was looking at Garfield. Their face was not of
somebody who was "urgh, this is hard, I would rather not do it, but I need to
get better, so I have to do it". Their face said, nonetheless, something like
"No, I don't want to be anywhere else in this moment." You may or may not like
Garfield, bot as a person and as a juggler, but you have to admit that he also
has got some impressive achievements, even if not in pure juggling skills.
There's a thing that "great names" of every discpline have in common: they
have the urge to do what they do. For different reasons maybe, a painter
doesn't get the same feelings of a lawyer, but they can be passionate at the
same level.
Everybody's urge is different, everybody has a different push, but the feeling
is the same.
You can't stay without that. You can't even IMAGINE waking up in the morning
and not having that as a part of your day.
That's what makes a great success.
I could go on for much longer, and will if provoked :), but I feel that
there's not really much else to say.
Fab.
Whoa, this post is surely long.
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popstar_dave
> I'm working on the rest of Heinlein's list
> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects (16 so far).
Ooh... Thanks for reminding me of that, Charlie. When I last checked, I
was at 12. Now I'm up to 15. There's still two there that I feel lucky
not to have had the opportunity to perform (oh, I guess I'm lucky not to
have had to pitch manure, too!) - and I might have to wait 'til I have
kids for the first one.
Cheers,
Dave
BartHoving
>
> >then why did he say that he will beat it again?
>
> I don't really know! It's in contradiction with what he
> said! :(
>
> >Come on dont be such an idiot and see the big picture
>
> It's quite difficult cause for me this kind of record is one of the
> silliest thing you can do in juggling, just to brag that you hold a
> world record, knowing that the real ones are too far from
> you! And for real I mean these www.juggling.org/record
That's numbers juggling! Vova is not a numbers juggler... Maybe he does 8
and 9 balls now and then, but I guess that's to have a greater chance of
winning the overall championship. What Vova does is mainly technical and I
think that's heavily underrated, because there's no such thing as a record
database for technical stuff. All records now are about the amount of
balls, rings or clubs, and the amount of catches... That's as silly as
doing as many 360's as you can, it's an endurance thing just like the
amount of catches.
popstar_dave
>
> Fabio Pinna wrote:
> >
> > And I know many jugglers that work very hard, but totally do not enjoy
> > themselves while juggling. I wonder where's the point in that.
>
> because you really desired the end results of those activities? Are you
> absolutely in love with your job? Do you love eating healthy food? Do
> you love paying taxes? Did you love homework as a child?
Mike,
Let's take a look at what happens if you choose not to do whatever it is
that "you dislike or feel indifferent towards"...
Don't go to work: Lose your income, fail to pay your mortgage/rent, lose
your house, lose the ability to buy food, die.
Don't eat healthy food: Get fat/become unhealthy, get sick, maybe die.
Don't pay your taxes: Get arrested, go to jail, maybe get nefr-encrq ol n
Zrkvpna tnat-onatre in the shower.
Don't do your homework as a child: Get into trouble at school, get into
trouble from your parents, have your parents withdraw their support of you
taking part in activities you enjoy (grounding you, restricting
pocket-money, etc), failing at school, struggling to find an adequate job
to support yourself/your family.
Now let's try the same thing for you (and ManiacDrew) not enjoying
practising juggling if you don't enjoy it: Your juggling skills diminish,
you never manage to get a 7-up 360 with clubs on video (or a long run of
55550 in singles with canes), be sad for a little while.
I'm seeing a fairly hefty discrepancy between the outcomes of not doing
something you don't enjoy, or are indifferent to, here. I'll do things
that I don't enjoy only if I'm avoiding a pretty hefty negative outcome by
doing them. If I wasn't enjoying my juggling, I'd stop. That is, unless
there was someone saying that they'd poison my loved ones unless I had a
run of 100 catches of 5 clubs. If that was the case, I'd practice my arse
off even if I wasn't enjoying it.
I know we've established that we differ with regard to a lot of attitudes
towards juggling and life, but these are just my thoughts.
Cheers,
Dave
Little Paul
> charliejuggler wrote:
>> I'm working on the rest of Heinlein's list
>> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?SpecializationIsForInsects (16 so far).
>
> Ooh... Thanks for reminding me of that, Charlie. When I last checked, I
> was at 12. Now I'm up to 15.
I'm at 13 currently. Which surprised me. I was expecting to do much
worse than that. I might bump it to 13 and a half if visiting a dying
relative regularly counts even though I missed the last 2 days of her
life.
> There's still two there that I feel lucky not to have had the
> opportunity to perform
I feel the same about writing sonnets.
-Paul
n8rae
>
> tyhe title says it all
> it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
>
Yay! Go Vova!
So i was wrong before (on the last post) when i said that VG still had a
way to go to catch up AG in this area. I was very impressed by the lack
of mistakes compared to the live tv attempt.
Just a couple of comments:
1, Why count it in seconds per 360? seems a bit obvious to me (just
divide the amount by the time) so what about a counter which says throws
per 360. That way we can see where the excess throws are and how many can
be shaved off.
B. What's with the set up throws in the first place? The amount of throws
should eventualy come in at 5 per 360 as the so 35 360s in a min would be
only (umm, 35 x 360, no that's not it, 360 x 5, no that's not right
either. Oh i see the problem there...) 175. Only then will we start to
get close to the limit. After that it will all be about throw hight and
spin speed.
So come on Anthony! How about it?
Nahant Rae
Check out my blog at www.nathanrae.co.uk or else.
Daniele Caselli
(BartHoving) wrote:
>That's numbers juggling! Vova is not a numbers juggler...
>Maybe he does 8 and 9 balls now and then,
You are forgetting Vova's 6 and 7 club videos: they are exactly
numbers juggling exhibitions! Vova *is* a numers juggler:
still not as all accomplished as Gatto, anyway still a numbers
juggler!
>All records now are about the amount of balls, rings or clubs, and the
>amount of catches... That's as silly as doing as many 360's as you can,
>it's an endurance thing just like the amount of catches.
Not as silly because, to me, there's no reason to record *trick*
records (except basic patterns!), mostly because it will lead to an
infinite amount of useless records...
Daniele
--
memento Gaudere semper.
Peter Bone
>
> AliTheJuggler wrote:
> >
> > tyhe title says it all
> > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> >
>
> Yay! Go Vova!
>
> So i was wrong before (on the last post) when i said that VG still had a
> way to go to catch up AG in this area. I was very impressed by the lack
> of mistakes compared to the live tv attempt.
>
> Just a couple of comments:
> 1, Why count it in seconds per 360? seems a bit obvious to me (just
> divide the amount by the time) so what about a counter which says throws
> per 360. That way we can see where the excess throws are and how many can
> be shaved off.
> B. What's with the set up throws in the first place? The amount of throws
> should eventualy come in at 5 per 360 as the so 35 360s in a min would be
> only (umm, 35 x 360, no that's not it, 360 x 5, no that's not right
> either. Oh i see the problem there...) 175. Only then will we start to
> get close to the limit. After that it will all be about throw hight and
> spin speed.
>
The set up throws make it possible to start the 5 up from the same hand
each time. Doing the 5 up starting on the other side is harder - although
this is how Vova does his most 3 club 3 up 360's in a minute attempts. It
also gives time for some error correction.
I think the next stage would be to do maybe 3 5 ups in a row without set
ups followed by 1 with a set up, or perhaps doing everything with one less
club spin.
Pete
Jason Quinn
> So i was wrong before (on the last post) when i said that VG still had a
> way to go to catch up AG in this area. I was very impressed by the lack
> of mistakes compared to the live tv attempt.
I think this gets back to my point about practice attempts vs. live
audience attempts. The playing field wasn't level when Anthony broke the
record. People have said elsewhere that Vova is nervous when performing
(although it's hard to tell). This video seems to show that pressure does
affect him at least a little. I don't know about Anthony but my guess
would be that he does not get nervous before a performance in the bad
stage-fright sense but only in the good "excited jitters" sense.
Jason
Alan Thompson
>
> Alan Thompson wrote:
> >
> > AliTheJuggler wrote:
> > >
> > > tyhe title says it all
> > > it seems vova has regained his title with an amazing 29 5 up 360s
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9csBR4AcSAQ
> > >
> >
> > class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
> >
>
> Alan Thompson is a jerk. Adam Rowney is a true gent. Name calling is fun.
>
> .. back to those playground years ... I feel another bout of nostalgia
> coming on.
>
> Colin E.
>
>
This reply makes me so bored.
Daniele Caselli
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfUCabPvqK8
and now?
--
memento Gaudere semper.
Daniele Caselli
>Gatto is such an annoying prick. Vova has so much more integrity and
>class. This will be true no matter how many spins they can do.
I don't think Gatto has something to learn from Vova about class: look
at his last reply on his forum...
--
memento Gaudere semper.
Daniele Caselli
http://anthonygatto.forumco.com/topic~TOPIC_ID~5854.asp
--
memento Gaudere semper.
bill coad
>
> Gatto did 30 pirouettes...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfUCabPvqK8
>
> and now?
Not only impressive, but if you look closely Gatto's timer starts when the
first 5 up throws begin while Vova's timer doesn't start until his first
spin begins. So Vova needs to catch up by at least 1 spin plus a split
second.
Tim from Leeds
>
> anthony wes peden
>
I would love to see him juggle!
Tim