gore-tex vs omni-tech
JArgo76554
Hi
Im hunting in Tennessee and with our weather i need warmth and dry built
in the hunting clothing i want to purchase. While talking to a local duck
hunter we discussed pros and cons of gore-tex. It apperantly leaks after a
while. Have you had a problem with your goretex leaking?
He Introduced me to omni-tech from columbia. He swears it wont leak.
I would like any information on omni tech and any thing you dont like
about goretex. Price wise there close.
wanting to stay dry should i go with goretex or omni tech?
btw my partner killed a 150 non typical 10 pointer this year that i had
shot at and missed :( would have made record book of shot with bow or
muzzleloader. damn what luck.
Jason Beary
JArgo76554 wrote:
>
> we discussed pros and cons of gore-tex.
> about goretex. Price wise there close.
>
> wanting to stay dry should i go with goretex or omni tech?
W.L. Gore does a tremendous amount of product testing, both of its
membrane and the clothing it is put into. They have had Gore-Tex use in
clothing technology well in hand for 10 years now. It is by far the
best on the market. There is a lot of different factors which can get
you wet, (exersion, etc.), so I'll not make any other recommendations
beyond that.
JB
Tim Calvin
Jason Beary <jp...@Lehigh.EDU> wrote:
>JArgo76554 wrote:
>> wanting to stay dry should i go with goretex or omni tech?
>W.L. Gore does a tremendous amount of product testing, both of its
>membrane and the clothing it is put into. They have had Gore-Tex use in
>clothing technology well in hand for 10 years now. It is by far the
>best on the market. There is a lot of different factors which can get
>you wet, (exersion, etc.), so I'll not make any other recommendations
>beyond that.
The construction of the garment is the key and not the membrane used. Seams
must be sealed by taping, and any openings, such as zippers will leak to
some extent. I've been using one of Cabela's Gore-Tex rain parkas for more
than ten tough seasons and it still doesn't leak. Amazing to me.
Tim Calvin <timh...@quiknet.com> NRA Life Member
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Joseph L Lunenschloss
JArgo76554 <jargo...@aol.com> wrote:
>Hi
>Im hunting in Tennessee and with our weather i need warmth and dry built
>in the hunting clothing i want to purchase. While talking to a local duck
>hunter we discussed pros and cons of gore-tex. It apperantly leaks after a
>while.
Not in my experience.
>Have you had a problem with your goretex leaking?
No, I have one garment (waterfowl parka, and insulated pants made by
10-X), that are now 12 years old, have been on many waterfowl hunts
and one 7 day Barren Ground Caribou hunt where the parka was worn
everyday, all day in the bush. That particular garment has yet to leak
or to wear out in any way.
>He Introduced me to omni-tech from columbia. He swears it wont leak.
>I would like any information on omni tech and any thing you dont like
>about goretex. Price wise there close.
>wanting to stay dry should i go with goretex or omni tech?
I can't really say which is better because I have never tried Omni
Tech. I have had no reason to ever switch from Gore Tex, we now have 5
diferent coats/jackets that are Gore Tex with no problem from any of
them.
At one time I looked into Omni Tech, and cannot exactly remember why I
thought it was probably not as good. It has either fewer pores per sq.
in. or larger pores than Gore Tex. And of course, it is a "me too"
product, Gore Tex is the original.
Maybe Omni Tech is better-----but I wouldn't buy it based on the idea
that Gore Tex will soon leak. That isn't a problem in my experience.
IMHO
joe
Fournier Thomas A.J.
Many people have reported that their GoreTex garments have been
commendably durable. I have one GoreTex jacket that I do not use often
and it has lasted several years. I have not had such luck with other
GoreTex jackets. One failed within one year. Maybe the bug dope did it
in. Maybe it was burrs, thorns, and abrasion. Apparently GoreTex waders
do not appreciate exposure to thorns and thistles.
--
Keep your stick on the ice.
Thos. Gloucester, Ontario (ao...@freenet.carleton.ca)
Wayne P. Hresko
I've used several Gore-Tex coats and pants. The design and quality of
manufacturing seems to be the basis for leakage. North Face and Sequel
are both great after even long exposure to rain etc. By contrast, L.L.
Bean and Eddie Bauer were about useless. My current go anywhere is the
Sequel system. The design, plus the taping of the seams and position of
the seems is great.
Wayne P. Hresko
hre...@unt.edu
Tim Mickelson
I've used a lot of Gore-tex products and they seem to work quite well for
awhile. I can usually get about a year or two out of Gore-tex hunting gear,
and longer than that for non hunting gear. It seems to me that if you use
the stuff a lot, (Which I do, hunting in Oregon) then the stuff wears out
faster. If you are out all day in a hard rain, it seems to leak a little.
Also, if you lean against anything or sit down with it on, it will leak
then. I have no problem with the product though.
I am trying out the Omni-tech product this year in a Columbia Widgeon parka.
So far, using it during duck hunting this year, it has seemed to work great,
but I haven't been out all day in a hard rain yet. I'll post any results if
I get a good hard rain day and I'm out in it all day.
Tim M/OR
Jim Brabston
Tim Mickelson <tim...@open.org> wrote in article
<1996122015...@opengovt.open.org>...
> I can usually get about a year or two out of Gore-tex hunting gear,
> and longer than that for non hunting gear.
> Also, if you lean against anything or sit down with it on, it will leak
> then.
>
parka.
I have two sets of Goretex Rain Gear. They keep me pretty dry, but are
noisy. There are times when you will get wet wearing Goretex, however. It
does seem to leak when water sits on it for a long time. Additionally, the
storm flaps, zippers, buttons and such are a source of leaking if not
properly secured. For instance, if your jacket has a hood and you don't
wear it, your neck and shoulders will eventually get wet.
You might try out Browning's Hydro Fleece. This stuff is great; extremely
quiet, warm and absolutely water proof. No leaks with this product.
BRABSTON
ims...@usit.net
Tim Mickelson <tim...@open.org> wrote:
>I've used a lot of Gore-tex products and they seem to work quite well for
>awhile. I can usually get about a year or two out of Gore-tex hunting gear,
>and longer than that for non hunting gear. It seems to me that if you use
>the stuff a lot, (Which I do, hunting in Oregon) then the stuff wears out
>faster. If you are out all day in a hard rain, it seems to leak a little.
>Also, if you lean against anything or sit down with it on, it will leak
>then. I have no problem with the product though.
I'm not so sure that it's the Gore-Tex membrane itself that develops
leaks -- the seams on my nine year old jacket developed leaks at the
six year point, and had to be re-sealed. No problems since. Like any
other piece of gear, even the mighty Gore-Tex requires maintenance now
and then.
--Ian
Bob Hanna
Jim Brabston wrote:
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[snip]
>
> I have two sets of Goretex Rain Gear. They keep me pretty dry, but are
> noisy. There are times when you will get wet wearing Goretex, however. It
> does seem to leak when water sits on it for a long time. Additionally, the
> storm flaps, zippers, buttons and such are a source of leaking if not
> properly secured. For instance, if your jacket has a hood and you don't
> wear it, your neck and shoulders will eventually get wet.
>
> You might try out Browning's Hydro Fleece. This stuff is great; extremely
> quiet, warm and absolutely water proof. No leaks with this product.
>
It isn't the Gore-Tex that's noisy...it's the material it's bonded
with. Gore-Tex is simply a membrane and MUST be "sandwiched" between
two layers of other fabric.
The Hydro-Fleece product you mention DOES have a Gore-Tex
membrane...which proves point that when bonded with a soft, quiet outer
layer, Gore-Tex isn't noisy.
And it is true that when people complain that their Gore-Tex clothing
leaks, it's usually the seams. Also, don't ever, EVER dry-clean it!
Powdered laundry detergent in warm water only.
RJ
> I'm not so sure that it's the Gore-Tex membrane itself that develops
> leaks --
Gore-Tex is NOT water proof! Ask anyone in Alaska who has ever used it.
Lean you elbow, knee, or whatever on the wet groun, and in no time flat
you will be wet. It is an excellent barrier if you are not in TOO wet
of an area. Ir rains and rains, when it is not snowing, in many areas
here. Many folks use Gore-Tex, but most learn of its limitations within
a season.
Nothing beats a good set of rain gear. If you can affort $500, for a
basic bottom and top, you can't go very wrong with an excellent product
like Browning's HydroFleece. If your budget is more limited, look into
Helly Hansen's Impertec line...even sold by folks like Cabela's. It may
be even less noisy than Gore-Tex. The single worst product I have ever
tried is 10X Shikari cloth, billed as the "new" hydrofleece that does
not take on burrs...I had 100% failure in three days with this product,
it came completely apart, and takes on 10 times it wieght in rain water,
I guess that is how come it is from 10X! ;-)
RJ
Jack LaFond
Jason Beary <jp...@Lehigh.EDU> wrote:
>JArgo76554 wrote:
>>
>> we discussed pros and cons of gore-tex.
>> I would like any information on omni tech and any thing you dont like
>> about goretex. Price wise there close.
>>
>> wanting to stay dry should i go with goretex or omni tech?
>W.L. Gore does a tremendous amount of product testing, both of its
>membrane and the clothing it is put into. They have had Gore-Tex use in
>clothing technology well in hand for 10 years now. It is by far the
>best on the market. There is a lot of different factors which can get
>you wet, (exersion, etc.), so I'll not make any other recommendations
>beyond that.
>JB
I have used the Columbia Sportswear Quad Parka and bib overalls for a
couple of years now, and it was one of the best investments I have
ever made! I think either material is equally good and you just need
to decide what style best fits your needs.
JL
Magnanr
MY own personal experiences with Goretex:
Have Cabela's jacket and pants. Pants are great with polarfleece or wool
underneath in a heavy storm. Jacket is OK, but picks up some condensation
when exerting myself. Have sat, leaned, etc. with no real accumulation
of water, though.
I also have a GI issue goretex parka, with free hanging mesh liner,
armpit vents, etc. This is a GREAT jacket--apparently the ability to
vent perspiration and avoid compressing the water barrier membrane is what
does it.
That's logical if you think about how Goretex works--its a teflon membrane
with millions of microscopic holes that let perspiration vapor (gaseous
water molecules) out, but don't let massive water drops in. If you have
perspiration accumulating on the inside surface and in the fabric's pores,
and then compress the moisture under an elbow, knee, or butt, don't you
create a capillary action? Further, wouldn't that capillary action work to
draw water IN, since the moisture content would try to equalize on each
side of the barrier, and there's more water outside as liquid rain than
there is inside as sweat?
Wittster1
On the subject of gore-tex vs omni-tech: My previous military expeirence
with the GI issue jacket and pants has been great. There had been many
cold and wet mornings where I was very thankful that I had it. In my
opinion, gore-tex is the best by far due to my expeiernce. If you have
any info on omni-tech please send me some at Witt...@aol.com. Thanks,
Mike