coyote/bobcat question
rjma...@yahoo.com
Do coyotes and bobcats look up in trees while out prowling ?
I know most animals including people don't.
So would I be better off up in a tree stand or on the ground while
waiting
for them ?
This is very rugged terrain and there is tons of coyotes and bobcats
around us.
Randy
Pete the Pilot
Try a wounded rabitt call. You won't have to wait long.
Burlap on a half circle of hog wire is my hide spot.
No experience with Bobcats.
Haven't tried to sit in a tree and call 'em in.
Any carnivore will spot movement, even up in a tree I'd say, so some
type of screen or camo to hide your movements as you set up for the
kill shot would help a lot.
Pete
rjma...@yahoo.com
Thanks Pete. I believe we found the perfect setup for a good hunt.
High up in some boulders overlooking an open valley surrounded by
woods and a stream. Lots of coyotes and bobcats there and are
causing problems for the farmer. He was more then happy to point
out good vantage points for us.
Randy
Briang
Randy,
You wanna share this prime spot with others? At least give us a hint
to the state and region that you have this abundance of cats and
coytes?
Thanks,
Brian
rjma...@yahoo.com
>
> Randy,
>
> You wanna share this prime spot with others? At least give us a hint
> to the state and region that you have this abundance of cats and
> coytes?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian
Southern Missouri.
Was chatting with a few more farmers the other day and they think
bounties should be put on coyotes again. They're pretty thick here.
We've been waiting for nicer weather and I think we might get it the
next few days.
Randy
Jim and Phyllis
are many fewer, but here.
Jim
Larry Caldwell
@v5g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, bgora...@GMAIL.COM (Briang) says...
> On Dec 24, 7:22=A0am, rjmac...@YAHOO.COM wrote:> > > Try a wounded rabitt call. =A0You won't have to wait long.
> > > Burlap on a half circle of hog wire is my hide spot.
> > > No experience with Bobcats.
> > > Haven't tried to sit in a tree and call 'em in.
> > > Any carnivore will spot movement, even up in a tree I'd say, so some
> > > type of screen or camo to hide your movements as you set up for the
> > > kill shot would help a lot.
> > > Pete
> >
> > High up in some boulders overlooking an open valley surrounded by
> > causing problems for the farmer. =A0He was more then happy to point
> > out good vantage points for us.
> >
> > Randy
>
>
> You wanna share this prime spot with others? At least give us a hint
> to the state and region that you have this abundance of cats and
> coytes?
Anyone who wants to hunt coyotes on my property in Southern Oregon is
welcome. The neighbors feel the same. One neighbor has a predator
call, and has had some luck, but just doesn't understand eradication
hunting. Last summer he found a den, so what did he do? He wanted to
get the bitch, so he didn't kill the pups. The next day they were all
gone. There are a few bobcats, some cougar depending on the season, and
I see bear sign from time to time. The stupid voters implemented a
hound ban for cougar and bear, so of course you can't find a decent
hound hunter for coyote either.
Coyote is not protected in Oregon. There is a no limit open season 365
days a year. I think you may have to carry a hunting license. There is
a season for bear and cougar, and you have to have tags. Tags are ten
bucks.
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Almost got myself surrounded in the process.
I shut off the varmit call and retreated back towards the house.
Randy
Larry Caldwell
@u14g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, rjma...@YAHOO.COM (rjma...@YAHOO.COM)
says...
> I managed to call in 3 packs of wild dogs the other day.
> Almost got myself surrounded in the process.
> I shut off the varmit call and retreated back towards the house.
Sweet. I may have to get one of those predator calls. If I pull the
plug out of my shotgun, I can load 6+1 2-3/4" shells. I picked up a
case of PMC #4 buck at a gun show a while back, and have spent a lot of
time shooting trap and sporting clays in the last few years. I would
love to have that many coyotes in short range.
A hippie brought her parvo infected dog to a Rainbow gathering a few
years ago and started a plague that killed most of the coyotes within
100 miles, but 5 years later you would never know it happened. I bet
the coyotes outnumber the people, livestock and domestic dogs added
together in my area. This used to be a big sheep raising area, but all
the flocks are gone. The coyotes took every lamb from the last sheep
rancher's herd for two years running, so he gave up.
They say the wolves used to keep the coyotes out, but after the wolves
were exterminated the coyotes moved in. 100 years ago, there weren't
any coyotes around here. They say the wolves are moving into the Blue
Mountains over by Idaho. If wolves can make a living in the Blues, they
can make a living in the Siskiyous. Who knows? Maybe the wolves will
be less of a problem for livestock than the coyotes are.
SaPeIsMa
news:MPG.23c167c17...@news.peaksky.com...
> ... This used to be a big sheep raising area, but all
> the flocks are gone. The coyotes took every lamb from the last sheep
> rancher's herd for two years running, so he gave up.
>
Those ranchers need to get themselves a couple of Kommondorok
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komondor
rjma...@yahoo.com
>
> Those ranchers need to get themselves a couple of Kommondorok
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komondor
We run 4 great pyreneese with our goats, llamas and poultry and
haven't
had a loss since we started doing that. Well, unless the chickens or
ducks
were dumb enough to go outside the fence. In that case they were
history.
I try to keep 2 dogs in each pasture.
Prior to the dogs we had bad losses.
But now the wild dogs are back we can't always depend on the great
pyrs as
the wild dogs attack in packs and are so damned tricky. Tough to hunt
also
as they hunt you while you're hunting them and they're better hunters
then I am.
Randy
SaPeIsMa_On_the_Road
news:9925d48a-f7b6-47c8...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...##
## Those ranchers need to get themselves a couple of Kommondorok
## http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komondor
##
# Those work well but that hair has got to be a pain to deal with.
#
nl
Why do you need to "deal with the hair" ?
The coat is what protects them from weather AND attack
An attacking creature can only get a mouthfull of hair, and the Kom just
turns around in his coat and takes a piece out of the attacker
And contrary to the article, unless the hair has been washed to take out the
natural oils, the really bad part of a wet Kom is the musky smell of wet dog
multiplied by a factor of 10 or more
#
# We run 4 great pyreneese with our goats, llamas and poultry and
# haven't had a loss since we started doing that.
...
# Prior to the dogs we had bad losses.
#
# But now the wild dogs are back we can't always depend on
# the Great Pyrs as the wild dogs attack in packs
# and are so damned tricky. Tough to hunt also
# as they hunt you while you're hunting them
# and they're better hunters then I am.
You just have to out-think not out-hunt them
Invite the wild dogs into a trap.
rjma...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> <rjmac...@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
>
> news:9925d48a-f7b6-47c8...@x38g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 30, 6:26 am, SaPeIsMa <SaPeI...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
> ##
> ## Those ranchers need to get themselves a couple of Kommondorok
> ##
> # Those work well but that hair has got to be a pain to deal with.
> #
> nl
> Why do you need to "deal with the hair" ?
> The coat is what protects them from weather AND attack
> An attacking creature can only get a mouthfull of hair, and the Kom just
> turns around in his coat and takes a piece out of the attacker
>
> And contrary to the article, unless the hair has been washed to take out the
> natural oils, the really bad part of a wet Kom is the musky smell of wet dog
> multiplied by a factor of 10 or more
>
> #
> # We run 4 great pyreneese with our goats, llamas and poultry and
> # haven't had a loss since we started doing that.
> ...
> # Prior to the dogs we had bad losses.
> #
> # But now the wild dogs are back we can't always depend on
> # the Great Pyrs as the wild dogs attack in packs
> # and are so damned tricky. Tough to hunt also
> # as they hunt you while you're hunting them
> # and they're better hunters then I am.
>
> You just have to out-think not out-hunt them
> Invite the wild dogs into a trap.
I was thinking along the lines of trying to find a small tick on them
thru all that hair. or trying to clean out sticks, twigs and other
such
"stuff" that gets caught up in it.
I've tried out-thinking the wild dogs but I guess they are smarter
then
me. Things like snares, traps and ambushes never work more then
twice before they catch on. The damned dogs will test the electric
fence several times a week to see if it's still hot. The found a
gate that
wasn't hot and started climbing up and over it. They were smart on
that
but the llamas stomped them as soon as they hit the ground.
They also found they could distract our great pyreneese by a bunch of
them raising hell at 1 end of the pasture. Then a bunch more would
come
from the other end of the pasture and grab chickens.
The smartest and worst was a bunch of them raided the back pasture
during the night. I could hear hell breaking loose back there and I
grabbed
a shotgun and went out the front door. As I came out the front door
here
was a bunch of them just waiting there. It was like a trap for me.
I ran out
of shells real fast and had to retreat back to the house for more.
Randy