Sound of a hit
Kevin R. Frazier
in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
Thanks in advance.
Kevin F.
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JPhelps
less than 200yds away, you will probably hear the "whack" of the bullet
hitting. I doubt that many other hunters will hear the noise.
Jonis
>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
>that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
>full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
>to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
>the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
It's a fact. Not when you're doing the shooting, but when you hear
someone else shooting at a deer for example, at reasonably close
distance (under 2 km) you should not only be able to hear if it's a
hit, but also where the bullet hit.
When you hear the shot, there's a real "whack" first, and a more
"thundering" noise afterwards. If he is shooting towards you, the
first sound you hear is the hit in the animal. It's the opposite if he
is shooting away from you. The range he is shooting at is vital, as
close range shots will mix the two sounds.
When it's a good shot (lung-heart region) , the hit will sound like a
"whack". When it's a poor one (gut shot), the hit will sound like
"katch'onk". This may be misleading, as the gutshot sound can resemble
the sound a bullet make as it hits soft clay - e.g it's not very
reliable, but surely better than a good guess.
Some of the guys I hunt norw. moose with, are experts at this (people
that have been hunting for some years, of course) and can hear the
difference of a shot hitting the shoulderblade, and one hitting behind
it...
And no, I'm not "full of s_ _ _."... ; )
> Thanks in advance.
> Kevin F.
Jonis
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Jonathan M. Spencer
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>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
>that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
>full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?.
Yes, you can often hear the bullet's impact. I have heard and seen the
impact of high velocity bullets on foxes and deer at distances of 100 to
150 yards. But it is exceptional.
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mel sorg
best if whoever is shooting is within a mile or so, or if the air is
calm and heavy, but that just makes it easier to hear.
You can even tell the difference in if the shot hit something like a
deer, and to a certain extent where it was hit.
A shot that doesn't hit anything just goes pow....or bang...or however
you want to describe it, but it will be a single sound. If the shot hits
something there will be a secondary echo....pow-whap. The closer the
animal is to the shooter, the harder it will be to tell the original
shot from it being hit, but it STILL sounds different from a shot that
doesn't hit anything at all. If the shooter is far enough away from
what he's shooting at, he can hear it too, though I find that its easier
to hear someone elses shot hit.
That second sound you here will also vary depending on what is hit, or
where an animal is hit. It will be higher pitched it the shooter hits
something like a tree. It will be a hollow sounding "ker-whop" if a
deer is hit in the chest cavity. The sound will be lower pitched and
deadened a bit if the hit is back in the guts.
but don't take my word for it.
madpoet
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As for hearing the hit of others shooting it seems somewhat situational
depending on distance and terrain.
Garry
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JPhelps [SMTP:jph...@jlc.net]
>
> If you are doing the shooting (i.e. have a clear view to the target)
> and are
> less than 200yds away, you will probably hear the "whack" of the
> bullet
> hitting. I doubt that many other hunters will hear the noise.
>
> >Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your
> sitting
> >in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
> >sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
> >miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer
> hunters
>
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Mark W
slight thud sound after the shot. The sound is actually pretty hare to
explain on the internet, but I personally think that some people can tell
when a deer is hit. I also think it takes years of hunting to beable to hear
the sound.
Kevin R. Frazier <ten...@gwi.net> wrote:
>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
>that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
>full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
>to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
>the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
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thom...@planet.eon.net
always tell if it is a hit by the sound, with some hits there is a
very distinct "kerthuk" sound. It usually results from a very solid
body hit.
BiPolaBear
>"whack".
you mean like the sound it would make if it hit a dry hard branch?
>When it's a poor one (gut shot), the hit will sound like
>"katch'onk".
are you sure you spelled that right? i always thought it was spelled
"katch'oink ...i could be wrong
anyway the only way that i try to make an educated guess is to time the shots
if you hear 1 shot then after about a min another shot from the same gun it may
indicate that the second shot was the" mercy kill" shot.
also many hunters will stay put and wait to see if the animal gets up again,
often when they do in just a couple a moments .....BANG again
you know the shot that says STAY DOWN
again it will sound like the same gun (as they all have a unique sound (loads,
barrel lengths, ect...)
just a guess no matter how you look at it
peace
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kirk
>JPhelps <jph...@jlc.net> wrote:
>>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>>miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
>>that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
>>full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
>>to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
>>the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
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MtBranden
Imagine three points A,B,C A=you, B=gunfire, C=impact area
If B is between A and C, you will hear the gunfire first. If C is between A
and B, you will hear the impact first. If A=c, you are in trouble
DPROFFIT
>
>>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>>miss?
Kevin, I believe you CAN hear a bullet hit. It does take some experience to
LEARN the sound. You probably don't notice the sound of the shots you take
because you are using your eyes to determine if you made a hit. There are
several factorsthat will affect your ability to hear a hit. Distance the
shooter is from you, a hit is not as loud as a shot. Distance shooter is from
target, a close range shot may not seperate the too sounds enough to
distinguish. Landscape, you may be able to hear a shot through thick woods, or
in the mountains, but not hear the hit. One time I was antelope hunting in MT &
I was belly crawling up to a buck I had spotted laying down, in a field of knee
high grass. When I got to about 200 yards from him he stood up. From the prone
position I took the shot. I swear I not only heard the bullet hit the buck, I
heard it whistle through the grass. One shot from my .270, one 140 gr. bullet,
one antelope buck (not huge, about 14") Thats the way to do it, don't you agree
Dave Proffit <DPRO...@AOL.COM>
pointer
something. If you hit a deer you can hear a "Thwock" sound. However, it is
tough to hear this noise over the sound of the rifle. Since sound travels
at a certain speed at close ranges the sound of the gun is likely to drown
out the sound of a hit, but at longer ranges the sound of the gun
"dissipates" enough that the hit can be heard. At very long ranges the
sound of the hit might not be loud enough to bet back to you.
Michael Brady
than to the hunter making the shot.
Kevin R. Frazier wrote:
>
> If your sitting
> in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
> sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
> miss?
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mel sorg
original question, which was, can someone else, not the shooter,
hear the sound of a hit? Its been rare when I've heard my own
shot, most being fairly close in, but this last year I heard the
shots that hit all four deer that were taken within a half mile of my
stand, and the ones that missed.
madpoet
pointer wrote:
>
> A bullet has a lot of energy and it does make a sound when it hits
> something. If you hit a deer you can hear a "Thwock" sound. However, it is
> tough to hear this noise over the sound of the rifle. Since sound travels
> at a certain speed at close ranges the sound of the gun is likely to drown
> out the sound of a hit, but at longer ranges the sound of the gun
> "dissipates" enough that the hit can be heard. At very long ranges the
> sound of the hit might not be loud enough to bet back to you.
>
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other muzzleloader hunters to take shots at 75 yards or less.
Having said this, I once shot at a nice buck at 155 long paces (I am
6"1') and killed him in one. I shot a home made, conical bullet with a
pretty hefty charge behind it. I heard the "boom" and a split second
later I heard the sound of the slug hitting the deer.
The sound might be likened to that of a baseball bat hitting a huge,
plastic water bag.
Remember, my proectile was traveling slowly and the deer was
especially far away.
Tom Buckley
>If you are doing the shooting (i.e. have a clear view to the target) and are
>less than 200yds away, you will probably hear the "whack" of the bullet
>hitting. I doubt that many other hunters will hear the noise.
I doubt it also, in fact i would say you cannot if the hunter if far away
and in woods.
If anybody asks me to describe a hit on a deer here is how i describe it:
Hit in the hams or gut the bullet goes "fump" a sound you hope you don't
hear.
In the ribs: "FICK"
In the shoulders: "PHUCK".
;>)
Tom Buckley
1-506-832-4929
buckley(AT)nbnet.nb.ca
ArrahCee
>deer is hit in the chest cavity.
I've experienced this a few times, other times I haven't heard any-
thing after the shot. Maybe it has to do with striking velocity and
what bones are hit (or not hit). For example, I've heard it twice
with my 165 gr .308 handloads-- one of those times -very- loud
and that shot was 115 yds. I've shot a few deer with 240 gr .44 mag
loads under 50 yds and have not heard the bullet hit. Also
played guide yesterday morning to my 11 year old step son as
he shot a spike at about 35 yards with my SKS. The first two shots
missed and he finally connected with the third-- no difference in
the sound of the shots.
No genius explanations I'm afraid, that's just what I've seen and
heard for myself.
Rick Cunningham
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"Rec.hunting discussion list" <REC-H...@BIGFOOT.COM> wrote:
> Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
> in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
> sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
> that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
> full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
> to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
> the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
>
> Kevin F.
>
>yes. Mind you, there are many variables. When your bullet hits a critter,
there can be a definite sound. If you are a bystander, and someone nearby
hits a critter with a bullet, you may be able to hear a definite giveaway
sound. I've been present many a time when a critter was hit by a bullet;
sometimes there is a definite associated sound. Not always; sometimes. The
sound of a bullet hitting a shoulder is definitely different than the sound
of a "gut" shot. Generally, I can't tell if someone makes a hit when I hear
a shot. Sometimes, when I am sneaking around in the forest, and hear a shot,
I am almost sure there was a hit, because of the nature of the sound.
Sorry, but i am sincerely yours,
ron
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Budd Aiken Jr
animals when someone a reasonable distance from me shoots but i can
never hear my own bullet hit all i ever hear is my ears ringing.
7mm mag 14" barrel encore makes the ears ring!!!
BrianD.
far away, more than 100 yards. With my 22-250 on groundhogs, it is very
easy to hear the "THWOP" of bullet impact at ranges out to 400 yards. If
the target is close, the muzzle blast just drowns out the noise.
Mike Brown
100 yds or more. Any closer I would say I have not heard the hit.
mel sorg wrote in message <3650A0...@wcta.net>...
Odd, I keep reading these, and harly anyone addresses the
original question, which was, can someone else, not the shooter,
hear the sound of a hit? Its been rare when I've heard my own
shot, most being fairly close in, but this last year I heard the
shots that hit all four deer that were taken within a half mile of my
stand, and the ones that missed.
madpoet
pointer wrote:
>
> A bullet has a lot of energy and it does make a sound when it hits
> something. If you hit a deer you can hear a "Thwock" sound. However, it
is
> tough to hear this noise over the sound of the rifle. Since sound travels
> at a certain speed at close ranges the sound of the gun is likely to drown
> out the sound of a hit, but at longer ranges the sound of the gun
> "dissipates" enough that the hit can be heard. At very long ranges the
> sound of the hit might not be loud enough to bet back to you.
>
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>I've experienced this a few times, other times I haven't heard any-
>thing after the shot. Maybe it has to do with striking velocity>>
The one time that sticks in my mind is when I dropped a jackrabbit with a 10-22
at 110 paces,
held on the tip of it's ears, sounded like thumping a watermellon.
KM
If you ain't gonna cook, stay away from the stove!
mayor
>
> On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:11:11 +0000, in rec.hunting you wrote:
>
> >If you are doing the shooting (i.e. have a clear view to the target) and are
> >less than 200yds away, you will probably hear the "whack" of the bullet
> >hitting. I doubt that many other hunters will hear the noise.
>
> I doubt it also, in fact i would say you cannot if the hunter if far away
> and in woods.
>
> If anybody asks me to describe a hit on a deer here is how i describe it:
>
> Hit in the hams or gut the bullet goes "fump" a sound you hope you don't
> hear.
>
> In the ribs: "FICK"
> In the shoulders: "PHUCK".
> ;>)
> Tom Buckley
> 1-506-832-4929
> buckley(AT)nbnet.nb.ca
>
> Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:
> http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
I share the opinion that you can sometimes hear the hit if you are some
distance away. Sort of a double sound like boom-whap. This is if the
shooter is between you and the game. The boom is the muzzle blast and
the whap is hitting the target. If the shot is toward you it will
reverse. You will hear whap-boom cause the bullet outruns the muzzle
blast and you hear the impact with the game first.
Got to be far enough away so the muzzle blast doesn't mask the whole
sequence.
More common is when you pick a guy up off the stand and hear the sound
of a miss: @#$$$#$%$#@@#$ :-)
Ben R. Ogletree, jr.
Vince Yakamavich, Raleigh NC
wrote:
>Hello all, I have a Question to throw out to everyone. If your sitting
>in the woods deer hunting and you hear a shot, can you tell by the
>sound, or lack of sound from the gun and or bullet if it was a hit or
>miss? Now this is a highly debatable subject amongest the deer hunters
>that I work with. One says he can tell, and the rest of us think hes
>full of s_ _ _. opinions please. fact or fiction?. If its true I need
>to know what book or magazine. if not, don't laugh too hard. I'm just
>the messenger. We need to put this subject to rest at work :-)
Hmmm. Guess there are a lot of variables. Distance to the hit, wind,
the relative excitement of the shooter, etc.
I do know that on smaller game (prarie dogs / jack rabbits), I hear a
distinctive, wet sounding, "thwap" when the bullet hits.
My guess would be yes, it's possible. But again, due to the large
number of variables, I wouldn't count on it all the time.
v
Brad & Heather Goodwin
> >I've experienced this a few times, other times I haven't heard any-
> >thing after the shot. Maybe it has to do with striking velocity>>
>
> The one time that sticks in my mind is when I dropped a jackrabbit with a 10-22
> at 110 paces,
> held on the tip of it's ears, sounded like thumping a watermellon.
The best way to decribe it is the sound of hitting a fat woman in the
butt with a shovel.
John Alban
bullet hit. If the point of impact is far enough away to be distinct from
the muzzle blast, impact can be clearly heard. I've got the sound of a
bullet hitting on a hunting video my wife took while I hunted.
MtBranden
shovels have a flatter sound than the spade type that come to a point.
TJB
the animal. I can not believe you can hear any fire arm hit. See maybe not
hear.
TB
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I had ocassion to hear a hit on a deer a friend shot about 1/4 mile away.We
were in the woods but it wasn't real thick. I've heard hits before but I've
never heard one of my hits.
Tom E. Greer Sr.
the deer.
Last year the range was a little over 200 yds and this year closer to
400yds. I am using 250 grain
Grand Slams in a .338 win mag. "IF" you understand what you are hearing -
it CAN ,at times, be very easy to hear.
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TJB <dsl...@navix.net> wrote in article
<000201be1cde$5dc101c0$306860cc@tt>...
> The only thing I have ever been able to hear is the sound of a arrow
hitting
> the animal. I can not believe you can hear any fire arm hit. See maybe
not
> hear.
>
> TB
>
>
Alan Balson
<000201be1cde$5dc101c0$306860cc@tt>...
> The only thing I have ever been able to hear is the sound of a arrow
hitting
> the animal. I can not believe you can hear any fire arm hit. See maybe
not
> hear.
You can hear the sound of bullets hitting game. My dad used to do a lot of
cropping of game in the Tanzania Game Dept, and as kids we used to sit in
the back of the Landy and could tell almost every time by listening if the
animal was hit. He used .22 Hornet for the close shots and 30-06 for longer
shots. He used to crop 10 Zebra a day and about 10 wildebeste a day. In
another area he used to shoot Topi instead of wildebeste. All the meat was
made into biltong and sold. This was a necessary thing as there were too
many of these animals in a given area.
Alan Balson
Murphy
plywood of the target holder. Also, when squirrel hunting out my back
window with CB .22 cartriges, you could always hear the smack of the
bullet when it hit the squirrel. Of course if you missed that the dead
squirrel dropping out of the tree usually gave you a pretty good idea of
where your shot went as well. --Murphy
In article <01be1fd5$20a60980$379142d8@ast>, "Rec.hunting discussion list"
<REC-H...@BIGFOOT.COM> wrote:
> TJB <dsl...@navix.net> wrote in article
> <000201be1cde$5dc101c0$306860cc@tt>...
> > The only thing I have ever been able to hear is the sound of a arrow
> hitting
> > the animal. I can not believe you can hear any fire arm hit. See maybe
> not
> > hear.
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