Cougar or kitty
Frank
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Frank
Jim and Phyllis
didn't go over and hold something up to offer a comparison...after the
cat had gone by.
Jim
Steve Calvin
a track (if any were left) and take a pic of it.
It could have been a young cougar or.... tough to tell
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Big John
ever seen, at least not the ones in south Texas.
Dave
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> Stripes don't look like a cougar. Hard to guage the size. Too bad he
> didn't go over and hold something up to offer a comparison...after the
> cat had gone by.
>
> Jim
Looks like it's wearing a collar too. House cat.
Jim Smith
"Frank" <frankdo...@comcastperiodnet.tamu.edu> wrote in message
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D. Parker
wrote:
> Only a few miles from here. "Kitty" has been spotted in areas I hunt.
>
> http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805080353
>
> Frank
House tabby.
rjma...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> Only a few miles from here. "Kitty" has been spotted in areas I hunt.
>
> http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805080353
>
> Frank
I see "Kittys" quite frequently around our place.
Got up 1 morning a few months ago. Fresh snow on the ground and
"Kitty" prints within 30 ft of the house. Now that did not make me
happy at all.
Randy
Jim Smith
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Yep, a kitty for sure. Look at the grass. By comparing the grass to the
size of the cat, the grass would have to be 20-24 inches high for this to be
anything larger than a kitty. Not something you see this time of the year
in Eastern PA.
ratman12
Agreed Jim. Housecat for sure. Just look at the head. Like another poster said
just look at the collar.
Ron
Chris Barnes
> Only a few miles from here. "Kitty" has been spotted in areas I hunt.
>
> http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805080353
Definitely house cat.
Might be feral, might be domesticated. But definitely not a cougar or
even a bobcat (I have seen bobcats w/o spots, but those still have the
tufts on the ears).
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> From: "Jim Smith" <j_h_sm...@COMCAST.NET>
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> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Cougar or kitty
>
> >news:mOAVj.5633$%X1.4312@trnddc08...
> >> "Jim and Phyllis" <jimandphylli...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:159fd386-e96f-4737...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Stripes don't look like a cougar. Hard to guage the size. Too bad he
> >>> didn't go over and hold something up to offer a comparison...after the
> >>> cat had gone by.
>
> >>> Jim
>
> >> Looks like it's wearing a collar too. House cat.
>
> > Yep, a kitty for sure. Look at the grass. By comparing the grass to the
> > size of the cat, the grass would have to be 20-24 inches high for this to be
> > anything larger than a kitty. Not something you see this time of the year
> > in Eastern PA.
>
> Agreed Jim. Housecat for sure. Just look at the head. Like another poster said
> just look at the collar.
>
>
Latest article in paper, unfortunately I could not find on line, says
guy's neighbor has seen it and say's it's a cougar about 4 feet long.
Cougars have been spotted in park that I hunt just a couple of miles
away. I once asked a game warden if we could shoot them. He said
no. I said, supposed one attacks me and he said I better have it on
video or I would be in trouble.
J Buck
Sam A. Kersh
>Kitty. Duh.
How about calling it "Dead?"
Chris
Chris
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Bill Crowther
>
> - Show quoted text -
There's a great, really funny, Ed Zern short story that's a play on
Red Riding hood close to this. If you search for "How to Provoke a
Wolf Google, unfortunately, will give you the whole story in a link to
one of his books I've just been re-reading. It's amazing how he could
see a bunch of stuff coming and use it in a memorable way. I'm not
connected with Abebooks in any way, but they are great for finding
used/old books at reasonable rates, and the service is almost always
excellent.
Bill C
Steve Calvin
Well, I'm going against the grain here and saying cougar based on a few
things.
1) there's no collar on the animal that I can make out. I enlarged the
video and the neck looks bare to me
2) the man has spent extensive time in the outdoors and had prior
experience with a big cat in the area
3) he states the cat is "about knee-high, lamp-table height", ain't no
house cat I've ever seen even approaching that size.
4) general profile looks more like a cougar to little ol' me
5) Cougars defiantly can have patterns/rings, especially in adolescents
example: http://www.fotosearch.com/PSC020/000802_c159_0034_clhs/
I can attest personally that there are in fact cougar in PA, although
the one I saw was in the NW part of the state. Please don't give me the
standard "eh, it was probably a bob cat" routine. I've heard it hundreds
of times. NOT. I really don't see how someone with any kind of outdoor
experience could confuse this:
http://www.saviodsilva.net/z1/9/cougar/2.htm
and this:
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/bobcat.jpg
Just my two centavos and I could be all wet but that's my thinking on it.
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Jim and Phyllis
photo and acompare them to cougar and kitty proportions? I thought
cougar were longer than tabby.
Jim
Steve Calvin
Interesting read on 'em at: http://www.bigcatrescue.org/cougar.htm
"The cougar is the largest cat in the genus "felis", and is comparable
in size as the leopard. They vary in length from 59 – 108 inches with a
tail length of 21 – 36 inches, and height from 23 – 28 inches at the
shoulder. Weight can vary greatly, between 75 and 250 pounds. They have
a long body with a small head, short face, and a long neck and tail.
They are powerfully built, and the hind legs are larger than the front.
The ears are small, short and rounded."
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pair of mountain lions once in CO and they were not keen on being
around a human. Of course, as the article states, it could have been
someone's pet that was released, which would be more habituated to
people than a wild cat.
I also agree that the grass in the background would have to be really
tall in order for that to be a cougar.
My vote is a large house cat.
Elkaholic
Chris Barnes
> Well, I'm going against the grain here and saying cougar based on a few
> things.
>
> 1) there's no collar on the animal that I can make out. I enlarged the
> video and the neck looks bare to me
I have never put a collar on any cat I've owned....
> 2) the man has spent extensive time in the outdoors and had prior
> experience with a big cat in the area
Even experience people get fooled.
> 3) he states the cat is "about knee-high, lamp-table height", ain't no
> house cat I've ever seen even approaching that size.
I have not only seen house cats that big, I have owned several that big.
27lbs last time I actually took the time to weigh it. Even my current
cat (who I consider to be 'small') weighs 12 lbs.
Even people who saw it in person, in the house, would ask "is that a
mnt.lion/bobcat". I put them into the same category of people that
would ask if my 3 daughters were triplets (see http://www.txbarnes.com/
for pictures of them).
> 4) general profile looks more like a cougar to little ol' me
Many house cats do look like them.
> 5) Cougars defiantly can have patterns/rings, especially in adolescents
> example: http://www.fotosearch.com/PSC020/000802_c159_0034_clhs/
No argument with this.
Doesn't make THIS picture a mnt. lion though...
> I can attest personally that there are in fact cougar in PA, although
> the one I saw was in the NW part of the state. Please don't give me the
> standard "eh, it was probably a bob cat" routine. I've heard it hundreds
> of times. NOT. I really don't see how someone with any kind of outdoor
> experience could confuse this:
> http://www.saviodsilva.net/z1/9/cougar/2.htm
> and this:
> http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/bobcat.jpg
This sounds like all the old geezers (I am one, so I can use that term)
in my area that SWEAR they have seen "black panthers". These are guys
that spend every single day living out doors (99% of them are cattle
ranchers). The stories of them are so pervasive, that common people
believe it.
Yet to this day, there has NEVER been any physical evidence of a wild,
larger than bobcat, black cat anywhere in the entire state (Texas).
EVER.
So you'll just have to forgive me if I take your personal sighting with
more than a grain of salt...
Steve Calvin
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>> Well, I'm going against the grain here and saying cougar based on a
>> few things.
>>
>> 1) there's no collar on the animal that I can make out. I enlarged the
>> video and the neck looks bare to me
>
> I have never put a collar on any cat I've owned....
Several people said that this cat had a collar - not.
>
>
>> 2) the man has spent extensive time in the outdoors and had prior
>> experience with a big cat in the area
>
> Even experience people get fooled.
That's true
>
>
>> 3) he states the cat is "about knee-high, lamp-table height", ain't no
>> house cat I've ever seen even approaching that size.
>
> I have not only seen house cats that big, I have owned several that big.
> 27lbs last time I actually took the time to weigh it. Even my current
> cat (who I consider to be 'small') weighs 12 lbs.
Even 27 pounds doesn't come close to cougar size.
>
> Even people who saw it in person, in the house, would ask "is that a
> mnt.lion/bobcat". I put them into the same category of people that
> would ask if my 3 daughters were triplets (see http://www.txbarnes.com/
> for pictures of them).
>
>
>
>> 4) general profile looks more like a cougar to little ol' me
>
> Many house cats do look like them.
except substantially smaller
>
>
>> 5) Cougars defiantly can have patterns/rings, especially in adolescents
>> example: http://www.fotosearch.com/PSC020/000802_c159_0034_clhs/
>
> No argument with this.
> Doesn't make THIS picture a mnt. lion though...
True
>
>
>> I can attest personally that there are in fact cougar in PA, although
>> the one I saw was in the NW part of the state. Please don't give me
>> the standard "eh, it was probably a bob cat" routine. I've heard it
>> hundreds of times. NOT. I really don't see how someone with any kind
>> of outdoor experience could confuse this:
>> http://www.saviodsilva.net/z1/9/cougar/2.htm
>> and this:
>> http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/bobcat.jpg
>>
>
> This sounds like all the old geezers (I am one, so I can use that term)
> in my area that SWEAR they have seen "black panthers". These are guys
> that spend every single day living out doors (99% of them are cattle
> ranchers). The stories of them are so pervasive, that common people
> believe it.
>
> Yet to this day, there has NEVER been any physical evidence of a wild,
> larger than bobcat, black cat anywhere in the entire state (Texas).
>
> EVER.
you mean that Fish and Game will admit to right?
>
>
> So you'll just have to forgive me if I take your personal sighting with
> more than a grain of salt...
You believe what you want to. I know what I saw on top of that boulder
looking down at me
Chris Barnes
>>> 3) he states the cat is "about knee-high, lamp-table height", ain't no
>>> house cat I've ever seen even approaching that size.
>> I have not only seen house cats that big, I have owned several that big.
>> 27lbs last time I actually took the time to weigh it. Even my current
>> cat (who I consider to be 'small') weighs 12 lbs.
>
> Even 27 pounds doesn't come close to cougar size.
And there is nothing to suggest that the cat in the picture is anything
over 10 lbs.
>> Yet to this day, there has NEVER been any physical evidence of a wild,
>> larger than bobcat, black cat anywhere in the entire state (Texas).
>>
>> EVER.
>
> you mean that Fish and Game will admit to right?
They have ZERO reason to lie about it.
And there have been $1000 rewards in the past for someone who could
produce such a cat - yet noone has put in a claim. I suspect that even
without a current bounty, producing one would still be worth ALOT of money.
Steve Calvin
I think we can just agree to disagree on this subject and let it rest.
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Seve