Remember the .300 Savage?
Olympic Games
the worst big game wounding, and big game
wasting cartridge of all time.
My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
expired and was devoured by coyotes.
I just want everyone in the group to know that when someone
re-invents the .300 Savage
and I call them a stupid idiot, they are a .300
Savage kind of a stupid idiot.
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deer.
Everyone I knew that had one (a 300 Savage) and could shoot well, shot one
shot, field dressed their deer and waited for the season the next year!
LouisB
>The .300 Savage had a reputation as being
>the worst big game wounding, and big game
>wasting cartridge of all time.
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heavy, Traded it for my bow. Sounds like your Brother in Law better go to
the range.....
> My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
> hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
> shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
> tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
> expired and was devoured by coyotes.
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> The .300 Savage had a reputation as being
> the worst big game wounding, and big game
> wasting cartridge of all time.
> My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
> hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
> shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
> tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
> expired and was devoured by coyotes.
Says who? Anyone who has to track a game animal wounded with a .300 Savage
several miles didn't hit it anywhere near the right spot.
Sam Gaylord
: Olympic Games wrote:
: > The .300 Savage had a reputation as being
: > the worst big game wounding, and big game
: > wasting cartridge of all time.
: > My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
: > hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
: > shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
: > tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
: > expired and was devoured by coyotes.
: Says who? Anyone who has to track a game animal wounded with a .300 Savage
: several miles didn't hit it anywhere near the right spot.
I'll second that. If you have to track anything hit with a .30 cal round
for a couple of days, it's not the rounds fault. I don't see anything
mentioned in the original post, about finding the deer and telling us
where the wound really was. It's funny how someone can be-little a
cartridge, and it's never the shooter's fault.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
WVanhou237
<Olym...@webtv.net> writes:
> My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
>hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
>shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
>tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
>expired and was devoured by coyotes.
>
Did you happen to find out just where your brother in law hit this
particular deer ? Maybe through the gut, behind the ribs ? I'd say
he probably needs a bit more time on the rifle range.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
Dk99358
> My brother-in-law is one of those stupid idiots who insists on
>hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
>shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
>tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
>expired and was devoured by coyotes.
I remember the years at camp when there were more 300's in the gun rack than
all the other cartridges combined. (it's currently tied with the '06)
The farthest I remember any deer going after being shot with a 300 is 400
yards.
I remember the age of the guys who use those 300's. If the 300 didn't work,
they would have sold theirs 50 years ago!
I remember that the 300 is almost as fast as the 308 Win.
I remember that it is a common failing of hunters to blame the cartridge or gun
for their own screw-ups and lack of skill.
Dale
A political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a
divided majority--Will Durant
s4T...@webtv.net
and a 308 rem, firing the same 150 or 130 gr bullet is about 150fps
across most powder ranges
I'm not sure how long it takes to bleed off 150fps, but why not just get
a little closer
I bought a used 99 ( i think a G model) from a old guy who grew up in
Utah .he claimed a lot of deer with it and it still shoots ok
Sam Gaylord
<snip>
: Did you happen to find out just where your brother in law hit this
: particular deer ? Maybe through the gut, behind the ribs ? I'd say
: he probably needs a bit more time on the rifle range.
: Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Maybe not... there are some people that can hit a dime at 200 yards at
the range, but when buck fever hits, they can't hit a barn as 50 paces.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
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on that poor shot- 300 sav. is a big fat round with a good hard bite
Ron
I love my .300 savage. It's an old one. Ser # 360438. I've been using it for about
ten years. I think it's a great rifle. I did gut shoot a deer a few years ago, but
that was my fault. I've never had to track one more than 100 yds. I shoot 150 g
hp. I would probably switch to a longer shooting rifle if I lived somewhere
besides West Texas, but for me it's perfect. I own about 10 rifles and the only
other one I hunt deer with is my AK 47.
Ron
Jim Moyseenko
several in our deer camp for years and liked it a lot. I agree with
others that there is much information lacking from that wounded deer
story.
Jim Moyseenko
ref
>: > the worst big game wounding, and big game
>: > wasting cartridge of all time.
>: > hunting with a .300 Savage, (having been explicitly warned about the
>: > shortcomings of that round) and I personally spent a couple days
>: > tracking one of his wounded deer for miles to the place where it finally
>: > expired and was devoured by coyotes.
>
>: several miles didn't hit it anywhere near the right spot.
>
>I'll second that. If you have to track anything hit with a .30 cal round
>for a couple of days, it's not the rounds fault. I don't see anything
>mentioned in the original post, about finding the deer and telling us
>where the wound really was. It's funny how someone can be-little a
>cartridge, and it's never the shooter's fault.
We bowhunters have a rip-roaring good time reading stuff like
this. We put a little stick into a deer and it drops dead within
50 feet, and then we read about these guys debating whether it's best
to hunt whitetails with an '06 or a 270. Hooboy.
Ron M.
Sam Gaylord
<snip>
: We bowhunters have a rip-roaring good time reading stuff like
: this. We put a little stick into a deer and it drops dead within
: 50 feet, and then we read about these guys debating whether it's best
: to hunt whitetails with an '06 or a 270. Hooboy.
: Ron M.
One of the reasons that the deer with the stick in him only goes 50' is
that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
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WVanhou237
writes:
>
>Maybe not... there are some people that can hit a dime at 200 yards at
>the range, but when buck fever hits, they can't hit a barn as 50 paces.
>
Got to admit that you may have a point there. Even when I was a young'un
I never had that problem myself though. Guess I had waited out a good
head shot on enough squirrels and rabbits to develop patience. But on his
first hunt my grandson sprayed dirt under the belly of a nice little eight
point
at a whole 125 yards. Of the next three deer all were standing heart or neck
shots. Later he told me that he could hear me telling him, "Put the crosshair
where you want it and keep it there untill the rifle goes off" Just like on the
rifle range.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
"No matter how hard you try, you can't throw a potato chip very far."
"Linus"
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rifle (already have a Lee-Enfield No.4) and was wavering between
the Savage 110FCM Scout and the Mini-14, since they cost about
the same and both do a decent job as a patrol carbine if I need
it for that, though the Savage is a good hunting rifle. SHot one
and loved that smooth bolt-action. Anyone know if they'll make a
detachable 10-shot mag instead of the normal 5?
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Seeker of Wisdom
>One of the reasons that the deer with the stick in him only goes 50' is
>that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
>OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
>very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
>
>samg
>
I disagree. I seriously doubt that a deer hit with any bullet feels
any initial pain. The pain is likely even more blocked by the
instantanious shock delivered by a bullet.
I do agree that the loud bang it hears is usually ther reason for a
deer to spook whether it is hit or not. I also agree that normally
the arrow doesn't give any initial pain either unless of course it is
sticking in somewhere like shoulder so that a slower poking and
cutting sensation would be experienced. Usually however, if a deer
is hit with an arrow where they are supose to be, the arrow will pass
through the deer and stick into a tree or the ground.
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> that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
> OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
> very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
>
> samg
A vital shot is a vital shot, the deer hit with a high powered round should
drop alot faster
than a deer hit in the same spot with an arrow, I have taken deer with both
my bow and rifle,
the deer with my bow have run on the average of 100 yards, save one that
dropped 10 feet
from my stand, the deer taken with my rifle have run about 30 yards.
My point is deer are going to feel pain when they are hit, bow or rifle, but
being a avid
bow hunter has tought me the skill of precise shot placement, and patience,
these have carried
over to rifle hunting. Bottom Line is if the rifle hunters are losing deer,
its becouse of a poor shot,
and they should have waited for a better shot, or passed on this one
completely.
Richard Fuehrer
news:38cb12a0...@news.spacestar.net...
> >that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
> >OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
> >very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
> >
> >samg
> >
>
> any initial pain. The pain is likely even more blocked by the
> instantanious shock delivered by a bullet.
>
> I do agree that the loud bang it hears is usually ther reason for a
> deer to spook whether it is hit or not. I also agree that normally
> the arrow doesn't give any initial pain either unless of course it is
> sticking in somewhere like shoulder so that a slower poking and
> cutting sensation would be experienced. Usually however, if a deer
> is hit with an arrow where they are supose to be, the arrow will pass
> through the deer and stick into a tree or the ground.
>
>
has been shot? Did you feel great pain when hit?
My brother spend a few years on a search and rescue team. He said that
people who were mortally hurt often didn't experience nearly as much pain as
people who were much less injured, probably because of shock. He once
talked with a man in a car wreck who was obviously going to be dead in 10 or
15 min. (he was). The man felt no pain at all and had no idea of the extent
of his injuries.
I disagree about the arrow passing clear through all well-shot deer. This
is true with a broadside lung shot and a high energy arrow that doesn't hit
ribs on both sides. But, there are a lot of good hits that don't hit this
way. A very good shot, for example, is quartering away. With this shot,
the arrow will often go through the chest and stick in the far shoulder. I
shot a spike elk in the ribs last fall with a 70lb bow using full length
arrows with a leading edge head. It hit a rib going in and penetrated to
the center of the chest. A killing shot for sure, but a long way from a
pass-through.
Dick F.
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some times right away sometimes a hundred yds away. we drive thick
hardwood forest and cedar swamps so quick shooting at a moving Deer is
normal. i think the .300 savage falls somewhere between the 30-30 and
the .308 win. if you do your part the bullet will do its job. a .308
cal. bullet in the lungs will kill a deer within 150 yds, i dont think
it matters if its from a 30-30 win or a .300 Win mag.
http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/BILLNY/index.html
Sam Gaylord
: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:32:33 GMT, Sam Gaylord <sa...@col.hp.com> wrote:
: >One of the reasons that the deer with the stick in him only goes 50' is
: >that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
: >OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
: >very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
: >
: >samg
: >
: I disagree. I seriously doubt that a deer hit with any bullet feels
: any initial pain. The pain is likely even more blocked by the
: instantanious shock delivered by a bullet.
: I do agree that the loud bang it hears is usually ther reason for a
: deer to spook whether it is hit or not. I also agree that normally
: the arrow doesn't give any initial pain either unless of course it is
: sticking in somewhere like shoulder so that a slower poking and
: cutting sensation would be experienced. Usually however, if a deer
: is hit with an arrow where they are supose to be, the arrow will pass
: through the deer and stick into a tree or the ground.
I can't really say whether a deer feels a gun shot or not, but from the
reports I've heard from human beings, there is a terrible pain involved.
As for the arrow, I would think that a deer couldn't really tell if it
was stuck, or just slapped with a branch it was passing, or maybe even
bit by a horse fly.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
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Mike Gray
rifle season
for bow season anytime... A hunter who can't get within 30 yards of a
whitetail is doing it
wrong.
> We bowhunters have a rip-roaring good time reading stuff like
> this. We put a little stick into a deer and it drops dead within
> 50 feet, and then we read about these guys debating whether it's best
> to hunt whitetails with an '06 or a 270. Hooboy.
>
> Ron M.
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250 Savage cartridge may get a complex and start failing me. So far it
has only yielded one shot kills w/the deer going 10 to 40 yards.
Paul :-))
Lief Erickson
7-08, and a .260 Reminton to shake a stick at, At least the old savage
had a ninty year record of success until you chose to sound off. Your
privilege, but gut shot deer are gut shot deer and a 375 H&H won't kill
with a bad hit.
Seeker of Wisdom
<rl...@cyberhighway.net> wrote:
>Seeker of Wisdom <rcain....@spacestar.net> wrote in message
>news:38cb12a0...@news.spacestar.net...
>> On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:32:33 GMT, Sam Gaylord <sa...@col.hp.com> wrote:
>>
>> Usually however, if a deer
>> is hit with an arrow where they are supose to be, the arrow will pass
>> through the deer and stick into a tree or the ground.
>>
>>
(snip)
>
>I disagree about the arrow passing clear through all well-shot deer. This
>is true with a broadside lung shot and a high energy arrow that doesn't hit
>ribs on both sides. But, there are a lot of good hits that don't hit this
>way. A very good shot, for example, is quartering away.
(snip)
>
>Dick F.
>
I did say "usually" and not "all" which is basically a true statement.
I should have clarified that I was referring to a broad side shot.
One must be careful on quartering away shots because of the roughly
conical shape of the rib cage of a whitetail deer and the paunch
getting in the way on an animal quartering too much.. A mild
quartering shot is as you said a fine shot to take. I have taken deer
with draw weights of 55-80# and any of those will often send an arrow
thru and out the other side of a whitetail deer if hit in the boiler
room ribs or not. The shoulder or leg bone or spine are obviously
arrow stoppers. An elk is of course is a different deal and I didn't
mean for anyone to assume all of the deer family be included in my
reference.
The subject I was commenting on was what? Oh yeh, the concept of
pain in a fatally shot deer with bullet versus arrow. That was why I
made the exception for the arrow possibly _not_ pasing thru compared
to when it does. Nuf said for now.
Rod C
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wrote:
;>>with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
;>> very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
;>>
;>> samg
>
(snip)
>My point is deer are going to feel pain when they are hit, bow or rifle, but
(snip)
> Bottom Line is if the rifle hunters are losing deer,
>its becouse of a poor shot,
>and they should have waited for a better shot, or passed on this one
>completely.
>
You made some fine points about making your shot a good one, but your
thinking that deer will always feel pain is rediculous. I've had some
injuries (most not life threatening) and I can tell you when an injury
is fast and not anticipated there is no initial pain. The type of
injury will make a differance in how long it takes for the pain to
begin. Those who think that any injury begets instant pain must have
lived a very sheltered life.
Richard Fuehrer
> On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:47:49 -0500, Mike Gray <rad...@together.net>
> wrote:
>
> ;>>with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
> ;>> very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
> You made some fine points about making your shot a good one, but your
> thinking that deer will always feel pain is rediculous. I've had some
> injuries (most not life threatening) and I can tell you when an injury
> is fast and not anticipated there is no initial pain. The type of
> injury will make a differance in how long it takes for the pain to
> begin. Those who think that any injury begets instant pain must have
> lived a very sheltered life.
>
> ........................................................
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> knows this.
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During to an amazing round of stupidity, some years ago I chopped up a
couple fingers in a table saw (luckily, no permanent damage). I didn't feel
anything until the next day when I was trying to wash my hands and bumped
one of the fingers against the faucet. Then I almost went to my knees it
hurt so bad. It seems that pain is inconsistant.
Dick F.
Seeker of Wisdom
>Seeker of Wisdom (rcain....@spacestar.net) wrote:
>: On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 16:32:33 GMT, Sam Gaylord <sa...@col.hp.com> wrote:
>
>: >One of the reasons that the deer with the stick in him only goes 50' is
>: >that there isn't much pain, and no noise. There's nothing to scare him.
>: >OTOH, with a bullet, there's terrific pain followed immediately with a
>: >very loud scary noise, so they run like hell.
>: >
>: >samg
>: >
>
>: I disagree. I seriously doubt that a deer hit with any bullet feels
>: any initial pain.
(snip)
>: I also agree that normally
>: the arrow doesn't give any initial pain either unless of course it is
>: sticking in somewhere like shoulder so that a slower poking and
>: cutting sensation would be experienced.
(snip)
>
>I can't really say whether a deer feels a gun shot or not, but from the
>reports I've heard from human beings, there is a terrible pain involved.
How many people do you know who have experienced gun shot wounds and
of those, how long did it take for the pain to begin? I tend to
disagree with what you've heard but do not volunteer for any
experiments.
>As for the arrow, I would think that a deer couldn't really tell if it
>was stuck, or just slapped with a branch it was passing, or maybe even
>bit by a horse fly.
>
>samg
This of course would be the case sometimes. The exception would be as
I described above in a previous post.
Rod C
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Seeker of Wisdom
>My experience is that a running Deer will stop after a shot if missed.
I've seen this too but not more then 50% of the time. Of course if
the deer isn't already moving they are most likely to begin moving
very very quickly.
Sam Gaylord
: >My experience is that a running Deer will stop after a shot if missed.
: I've seen this too but not more then 50% of the time. Of course if
: the deer isn't already moving they are most likely to begin moving
: very very quickly.
About 15 years ago, on a VERY foggy day, I shot at a dow with my
muzzleloader. She was only about 25 yards away, and I hit a 3"
sapling between me and her. Because of the fog, the sound was
very muffled, and because of the muzzleloader, I just stood still
because I knew I wasn't going to get a second shot off. She didn't
know where the shot came from, but she calmly stopped, slowly turned
around and WALKED back the way she came from. She didn't know where
the "danger" was, but she apparently figured where she came from was
safe, because nothing attacked her when she came thru.
samg
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Sam Gaylord
: How many people do you know who have experienced gun shot wounds and
: of those, how long did it take for the pain to begin? I tend to
: disagree with what you've heard but do not volunteer for any
: experiments.
Only a couple people from Nam who were shot. Pain really depends on what
and where. It is very inconsistant from case to case. I would not tend
to indicate what would happen in any particular case.
Sam Gaylord
: You made some fine points about making your shot a good one, but your
: thinking that deer will always feel pain is rediculous. I've had some
: injuries (most not life threatening) and I can tell you when an injury
: is fast and not anticipated there is no initial pain. The type of
: injury will make a differance in how long it takes for the pain to
: begin. Those who think that any injury begets instant pain must have
: lived a very sheltered life.
It really depends on the trauma associated with the pain. Admittedly,
if you cut yourself shaving, you usually don't feel it right away.
On the other hand, have you ever hit your thumb with a hammer? If not,
take my word for it, it don't take long to realize you've done something
bad.
Seeker of Wisdom
>. Pain really depends on what
>and where. It is very inconsistant from case to case. I would not tend
>to indicate what would happen in any particular case.
>
>samg
>
>a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
I think we can agree that there are a lot of different variables that
can make a difference. I have mentioned some of them that I'm aware
of and I'm quite sure there are others. For hunting's sake it is
important that we educate people that think pain is instant when it is
often nothing close to instant, specifically when an animal is shot
with a projectile. The anti's would like nothing more than to have
people think that the myth of instant pain was true.
Rod C
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;>Seeker of Wisdom (rcain....@spacestar.net) wrote:
;>
;>
;>: You made some fine points about making your shot a good one, but
;> your thinking that deer will always feel pain is rediculous. I've
;> had some injuries (most not life threatening) and I can tell you
;> when an injury is fast and not anticipated there is no initial
;> pain. The type of injury will make a differance in how long it
;> takes for the pain to begin.
>
>It really depends on the trauma associated with the pain. Admittedly,
>if you cut yourself shaving, you usually don't feel it right away.
>On the other hand, have you ever hit your thumb with a hammer? If not,
>take my word for it, it don't take long to realize you've done something
>bad.
>
>samg
>
>a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
>
>
Of course what you said agrees with my my comment "the type of
injury,,,,,,,,". An impact that causes internal hemoraging(sp) in a
place such as a finger or toe is going to be painfull much faster as
the pressure build up that occurs is much slower and the pain
receptors can pick up on this sort of thing as it is happening. This
of course would be analogous if we were talking about bludgening a
deer to death with out knocking it out first.
Bad Company
The lousy performance of the 300 Savage
popularized the 250/3000, 257 Roberts, and
the 7mm Mauser, all of which proved more capable rounds for deer. The
300 Savage was not even an improvement over the .30-30 Winchester.
Thomas Fournier
> Seems to be the gun of choice for the misinformed.
> The lousy performance of the 300 Savage
> popularized the 250/3000, 257 Roberts, and
> the 7mm Mauser, all of which proved more capable rounds for deer. The
> 300 Savage was not even an improvement over the .30-30 Winchester.
According to Frank C. Barnes's "Cartridges of the World," 6th edition:
30-30 150 grains @ 2415 fps (factory load)
300 Savage 150 grains @ 2670 fps (factory load)
308 Win 150 grains @ 2860 fps (factory load)
The 300 Savage bridges more than half the velocity gap between the 30-30 and
the 308, so it clearly is an improvement over the 30-30. The jump in velocity
is only part of the story, howeer, because 300 Savage rifles are amenable to
the use of spire point bullets and most 30-30 rifles are not. The 300 Savage
is, therefore, both faster and sleeker than the 30-30. That means that the
300 Savage's effective range is about 100 yards greater than the 30-30's.
As always, the details of the load (pressure, bullet shape etc.) make huge
differences, so if you want you can fiddle these figures quite a bit. In the
end, however, any reasonable analysis will show that the 300 Savage's
performance is distinctly superior to the 30-30's.
Keep your stick on the ice,
Thos.
TN65X57
the Hornady loading manual.
Yep, doubt that could ever match the 250 Savage or 257 Roberts.
Heck, probably would just wound a deer.
LouisB
Olympic Games
termed as criminal.
Worst cartridge of all time.
CMorgan731
>Date: 03/23/2000 3:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <12769-38...@storefull-222.iap.bryant.webtv.ne
>>> Seems to be the gun of choice for the misinformed. The lousy performance
of the 300 Savage popularized the 250/3000, 257 Roberts, and the 7mm Mauser,
all of which proved more capable rounds for deer. The
300 Savage was not even an improvement over the .30-30 Winchester.<<<
Seems your the one who's misinformed.
In it's day the 300 Savage came close to duplicating the .30-06's ballistic's
from a compact levergun. This round is only slightly less powerful than the
.308 Winchester which it is the parent of. Take the time to read the history
of the round before eating shoe leather.
BIL...@webtv.net
the mags..if you cant kill a deer with a 300 savage it tells me more
about your shooting skills than anything else.
Hillary Clinton
ha, ha!
Is it true that the man who invented the
300 savage committed suicide, and it took
two shots?
Olympic Games
and you may not have
as many wounded deer escape and die days
later.
Why pay money for a deer tag and then go out and wound every deer
in the woods with a 300 Savage?
wedgew
>
> Actually, the deer wounding performance of the 300 Savage should be
> termed as criminal.
> Worst cartridge of all time.
>
> Visit the rec.hunting and rec.hunting.dogs FAQ Home Page at:
> http://sportsmansweb.com/hunting/
.. I grew up in Wyoming where deer and antelope hunting was almost a
religion. The .300 Savage was very popular among the more seasoned. My
old hunting partner thought it was the ultimate for deer and antelope.
From Federal's 1999 catalog
.30-.30 federal 150 grain HiShok Soft point 2390 fps mv 24" bbl
.300 savage 150 grain " " " 2630 fps mv 24" bbl
>From page 55 of Barnes , Frank C., "Cartridges of the world" 1993, DBI
books "the .300 Savage...... It is a better choice than the .30-.30 for
deer under any conditions"
Thus, I suspect that if there's a problem with a .300 Savage, it isn't
the cartridge.
(only hits count)
OK!
So whose smart ideA was it to put the
CAPSLOCK kEy rIGHT nExT TO tHE sHiFt kEy
(Seek not to confound me as I am dim witted and slow of study)
Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
~Wedge
Bad Company
the aerodynamic design of the 300 Savage,
you'd think it was an improvement over the
30-30 Winchester. Go figure!