8mm vs 30.06 or .308
Munner
good rifle for moose and deer. I was always of the under standing that a
30.06 or .308 would be the best. while talking to this booth attendant he
tells me he has a nice 8mm for sale. ($300.00 Canadian dollars). he tells me
It would be a perfect Rifle. I looked at it and it was in really good shape.
My question is, is the 8mm to much gun for deer?? or is it possible to
change grain of bullet to make it less powerful?? by the way, the cheapest
30.06 or .308 we could find was $550. canadian.. makes the 8mm pretty
attractive price in comparison to the others. take care.. happy
hunting!!
MTNMANN
However you will not find the wide variety of ammo for the 8mm as you would for
the 308/30-06.
The 8mm is plenty adequate for deer.
mtnmann
Garry
ballistics and make your decision
"Munner" <mun...@bbs42.net> wrote in message
news:3e88...@news.sentex.net...
Larry Caldwell
I assume you are talking about the 8mm Mauser, not the 8mm Remington
Magnum or the 8x60R Kropatschek. Caliber is only one part of a
cartridge. The 8mm Mauser, or 8x57JS, was the German WWII military
round. It is pretty comparable to .30-06, and was the round that forced
the USA to develop the .30-06. Check for ammo availability in your area.
If local stores carry a good assortment of ammunition, it could be a
satisfactory choice. Your selection of bullets will not be as wide as
for the .308 (same as the .30-06), but you should find something that
will get the job done for deer. American factory Mauser loads tend to be
a bit anemic compared to the .30-06, so you will have to buy European
loads. If you reload, and have a sound Model 98, the problem disappears.
Check http://www.chuckhawks.com/8mm.htm for a good article.
Check the gun carefully. If it is a sporterized surplus Mauser,
which I assume from the price, examine the bolt handle with the bolt
open. The bolt handle may not clear a scope, even if the handle is bent
style. Also, check head space, which is how tightly the shoulder of the
cartridge fits the chamber. Take a factory round, add three layers of
scotch tape to the shoulder of the cartridge and try to chamber it. If
the cartridge will chamber without forcing, the head space needs
adjusted. If the serial numbers on the receiver and bolt don't match,
you are almost guaranteed a headspace problem, unless it has already been
repaired.
If this is a sporterized Mauser 98, the rifle itself is an excellent
design. The value of the gun pretty much depends on the quality and
thoroughness of the gunsmithing. What sights were mounted? Was it
drilled and tapped for scope rings? Does it have a lot of trigger creep?
Judging the value is up to you, since you didn't even say what kind of
rifle it was.
Clark Magnuson
[30-06] rifles.
I hand load. That makes the 30-06 slightly more powerful than 8mm for
light bullets, and both slightly more powerful than the .308 with all
weight bullets.
Still, there is not enough difference between any of them in
performance, noise, or recoil to notice.
For elk at extreme ranges, the next step up that matters is the 300 Win
mag. It noticeably does shoot further, make more noise, and kick harder.
But for factory ammo, there are some real wimpy 8mm loads being sold in
the US. If I didn't handload, I would avoid the 8mm in favor of the .308
or 30-06.
Frank Johnson
The 8mm mauser is basically identical to the .30-06. I have a 1940
turkish mauser in 8mm that's built like a tank, fun to shoot, and as
accurate as a rifle with open sights can be. Most factory ammo for
the 8mm mauser, however, is pretty peewee. Instead of blasting a
175gr spitzer bullet at 2700fps like its capable of, factory stuff is
a 170gr round nose at about 2300fps. You may be able to find some
European hunting ammo, or load your own. I load 150gr Hornady's at
2600fps and 175gr Sierra's at 2700fps in my Turk, and its just fun fun
fun to target shoot or to use to hunt wild hogs.
As for the 8mm magnum, its in between a .300 magnum and a .338 magnum,
and ammunition is extremely hard to find.
Greg McKinley
Assuming it is an 8x57 mm (ie Mauser) it is straining to reach the power
level of the 06. Factory loads WILL NOT get it there. Handloads or the newer
"magnum" loads for std calibers will. Judging by the question, I'm assuming
you will be buying factory loads as you aren't "into" rifles enough to be
handloading at this time. The 8x57 has very few choices in factory loads,
they will work though. With moose in the picture, just get an 06.
brockett
CLayton
jay
<HUN...@listserv.tamu.edu> wrote:
I have a savage 30.06 w/a 8X32 scope and case for 350 USD :-). If that
helps, ) I do not know about the xchange rate today).
J
Robert Grizzard
> 8mm seems a bit big for deer, I much prefer 308
The difference is a whopping 0.015" -- 0.308" vs 0.323". Power, if
we're talking Mauser vs 308, is within a frog's hair of being the same
with a reasonable load.
--
The appearance of my E-mail address in any venue does not in and of itself
constitute a solicitation of bulk or commercial E-mail.
I don't want unsolicited commercial E-mail.
Kerry Kingsbury
> good rifle for moose and deer. I was always of the under standing that a
> 30.06 or .308 would be the best. while talking to this booth attendant he
> tells me he has a nice 8mm for sale. ($300.00 Canadian dollars). he tells me
> It would be a perfect Rifle. I looked at it and it was in really good shape.
> My question is, is the 8mm to much gun for deer?? or is it possible to
> change grain of bullet to make it less powerful?? by the way, the cheapest
> 30.06 or .308 we could find was $550. canadian.. makes the 8mm pretty
> attractive price in comparison to the others. take care.. happy
> hunting!!
As others have mentioned, the 8 X 57 is plenty for deer and moose. Very close in capabilities to the .30-06 however factory loads are kept low due to many variations and conditions of the surplus weapons. Let's remember that Weatherby based all of his first high power rifles on the M98 action. If the one you are looking at is a M98 in good shape it is likely plenty strong for some fairly heavy loads.
Jared Bollman
what you need a 30-06 or a 7 mag will take down just about anything North
America can serve up and both have the years of accuracy studies to back
that up. I personally hunt White tail with a .308 and know that with
heavier loads it would be effective on moose. If you are looking for a good
deal on 308 look for some that are no longer manufactured. as long as they
are in good condition and shoot well they'll do the job for years to come.
I personally hunt with a Remington 788 it hasn't been made in 20 years I
bought it last season for 300 USD. and have been offered 600 for it. It's
an extremely accurate gun that can be picked up for very little money if you
look specifically for it
"Kerry Kingsbury" <kerry.ki...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:006301c2fb90$893f88e0$8800a8c0@kerry...