Opinions on 22-250 for deer hunting
J Gardner
year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
or should i stick with the 270
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fragment on impact and would not give you the proper penetration for a clean
kill. I am not saying that there are not other tips, higher grain bullets,
etc, or that you could not kill the deer with a good shot, but why take the
chance of wounding the animal from using the wrong gun? Especially since
you have a perfectly good deer gun in the 270. Proper shot placement is key
but I would strongly recommend you also stick with the proper caliber as
with the 270. ED
Sam Gaylord
: I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail last
: year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
: in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
: or should i stick with the 270
My advice (from some who owns 2 .22-250s) stick with the 270. It'll allow
more room for error.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
FRED SCHNITZIUS
it.....i say use the .270........
Flyfis4fun
year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
or should i stick with the 270
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J Gardner
jgg3n...@dana.ucc.na >>
Stick with the .270. The .22-250 is a little light and you don't want a
wounded deer running around.
Walks-in-Circles
most states, including my own (Colorado) the .22-250 is NOT a legal caliber
for deer hunting. In addition, you are probably hunting mulies, which are
much larger than their whitetail cousins, and should be treated with a
respectful caliber.
Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
WIC
J Gardner wrote in message <7sud8p$lk3$1...@usenet.nau.edu>...
>I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail last
>year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
>in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
>or should i stick with the 270
>
>--
>J Gardner
TimeR...@lvcm.com
<walksin...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
>Don't use the 22-250. And check with your local hunting regulations-- in
>most states, including my own (Colorado) the .22-250 is NOT a legal caliber
>for deer hunting. In addition, you are probably hunting mulies, which are
>much larger than their whitetail cousins, and should be treated with a
>respectful caliber.
>
>Good Luck and Happy Hunting!
>
>WIC
The question of size differential is strictly a local one. Where I
used to hunt in Montana, the only difference in size was in their
ears. It was not uncommon to see a white tail doe that would easily
outsize a mulie buck. The mule deer in that area were also much
dumber than the white tails. The mulies would literally stand there
and watch you shoot them, whereas the white tails would be heading for
the next time zone.
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Mitch Richard
for error is Zero. Stick with the 270, and practice, practice, practice.
Thomas Fournier
> : I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail last
> : year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
> : in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
> : or should i stick with the 270
Sectional density is a good indicator of a bullet's ability to
penetrate. This
is important because you want a bullet that will penetrate well, cause
lots of
damage, and produce a nice big exit wound and an obvious blood trail.
The standard 270 whitetail bullet is 130 grains. Some people prefer
bullets up
to 150, but lets stick with 130 just for argument's sake. To get the
same
sectional density out of a 22 calibre bullet you would have to go all
the way up
to 85 grains. The conclusion I draw from these numbers is that there
are not
many 22 bullets and fewer 22 rifles that will produce the kind of
reliable
lethality you can expect from a 270.
This conclusion is based on number crunching, so I could very well be
wrong.
However, the numbers are enough to convince me that both you and the
deer would
be better off if you used the 270.
The 270 has proven itself by providing 74 years of exemplary service.
Why would
you want to use anything else?
Keep your stick on the ice,
Thos.
David M LeGrande
I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail
last
year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the
Kiabab
in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down
deer
or should i stick with the 270
In my humble opinion, stick with the .270. It's just got to be a much
more humane way to take a deer. I personally can't believe what I have
recently been reading in this news group over the alleged excellence of
the .223 for deer hunting. The 22-250 is considerably more powerful than
the .223. I hunted for several years with a guy who (illegally here in
Va. and probably most other states too) hunted deer with a 22-250. I
will have to admit that I didn't see him loose any and most were one-shot
kills. However, this guy was varmint hunter turned deer hunter and was
an absolutely expert marksman who very carefully picked his shots. There
have been documented cases of elephants having been killed with the lowly
.22 Long Rifle, but I think most people would concede that it is hardly
the ideal tool for the job. However, if you must use your 22-250, I
would suggest two things: (1) check with the AZ fish & game dept. to
insure that it is legal and, if so, (2) use the heaviest, most solidly
constructed bullet you can get.
Dave LeGrande
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Rodney
> J. Gardner asks:
> I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail
> last
> year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the
> Kiabab
> in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down
> deer
> or should i stick with the 270
> --------------------------------------
> In my humble opinion, stick with the .270. It's just got to be a much
> more humane way to take a deer. I personally can't believe what I have
> recently been reading in this news group over the alleged excellence of
> the .223 for deer hunting.
Not Alleged,, people wake up,, the 223 is a real killer with a good controlled
expanding bullet.
Now I have seen a deer that would have been lost when it was hit in the
shoulder with a 22/250, luckily another hunter killed it within 30 seconds of
it being shot.
The problem was the bullet,, pushed at 3700 FPS the 50 grain exploded on the
shoulder blade and never went through the ribs, the same bullet going 2700 fps
would have went though and done the job.
> The 22-250 is considerably more powerful than
> the .223. I hunted for several years with a guy who (illegally here in
> Va. and probably most other states too) hunted deer with a 22-250. I
> will have to admit that I didn't see him loose any and most were one-shot
> kills. However, this guy was varmint hunter turned deer hunter and was
> an absolutely expert marksman who very carefully picked his shots. There
> have been documented cases of elephants having been killed with the lowly
> .22 Long Rifle, but I think most people would concede that it is hardly
> the ideal tool for the job. However, if you must use your 22-250, I
> would suggest two things: (1) check with the AZ fish & game dept. to
> insure that it is legal and, if so, (2) use the heaviest, most solidly
> constructed bullet you can get.
When using the 22/250 stick with the Winchester factory 64 grain Power Point,
this bullet was designed for hunting white tail with the 22/250. It has a
double thick jacket. and controlled expansion
Since this hunter is a new hunter, I don't want him blaming a lost deer to his
caliber he used, instead of his poor shooting skills , if you lose one when
hit with the 270 you can't blame the cartridge, you have to blame yourself,,
the same thing hold true for the 22/250, but many people will tell you it had
to be the caliber
TimeR...@lvcm.com
wrote:
>J Gardner (dead...@HOTMAIL.COM) wrote:
>> : I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail last
>> : year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the Kiabab
>> : in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
>> : or should i stick with the 270
>
>Sectional density is a good indicator of a bullet's ability to
>penetrate. This
>is important because you want a bullet that will penetrate well, cause
>lots of
>damage, and produce a nice big exit wound and an obvious blood trail.
<snip>
The only problem with this, is that if the bullet exits, energy is
lost. Ideally, the "target" should absorb all of the energy. This is
usually accomplished by bullet deformation (mushrooming). The bullet
"shrooms", slows, and creates more destruction, while the "target"
absorbs all of the energy that the bullet has to give.
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> Yes it does, but no I would not. The 22-250 is marginal at best, the
margin
> for error is Zero. Stick with the 270, and practice, practice, practice.
Nobody mentioned it, I don't think, but the 270 is just about the best all
'round caliber for both varmints AND deer, IF you had to own only one rifle.
Absolutely super caliber!
Ed Kitchin
Stephen Coltrin
However, I used a 70 gr speer semi spitzer loaded to about 3250 fps. This
bullet is designed for penetration on medium game like antelope and deer
because of its thicker jacket. I would not recommend using 55 gr or
smaller bullets. Some guns will not stabilize the bigger bullets. You'll
have to try some in your gun to see if they group well. Mine grouped to
about .75" at 100 yards. I dropped 5 deer with that load before moving to
Utah. Since then, I've bowhunted only. Good luck.
J Gardner <dead...@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote in article
<7sud8p$lk3$1...@usenet.nau.edu>...
> I have a .270 and a .22-250 both rem 700's. I took my first whitetail
last
> year with the .270. I have a deer hunt coming up this oct 29 on the
Kiabab
> in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down
deer
> or should i stick with the 270
>
> --
> J Gardner
> jgg3n...@dana.ucc.nau.edu
Jason Taylor
extent caliber for deer sized game ,but on a hunt like your going on it
would be wise to take the 270 as a backup rifle just in case something
happens to your primary gun. if your not sure of a calibers strength
just aim for the hip almost any deer will fall and stay down long
enoughs for you to get to it. I've even seen a 22short take a deer at 75
yards and drop it dead with a head shot thats my opinion jt
Thomas Fournier
> On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:56:58 -0400, Thomas Fournier <drt...@istar.ca>
> wrote:
> SNIP
> >Sectional density is a good indicator of a bullet's ability to
> >penetrate. This
> >is important because you want a bullet that will penetrate well, cause
> >lots of
> >damage, and produce a nice big exit wound and an obvious blood trail.
> <snip>
> The only problem with this, is that if the bullet exits, energy is
> lost. Ideally, the "target" should absorb all of the energy. This is
> usually accomplished by bullet deformation (mushrooming). The bullet
> "shrooms", slows, and creates more destruction, while the "target"
> absorbs all of the energy that the bullet has to give.
I have never understood why it is good for a bullet to peter out before exiting.
One reason why I have trouble with this is that if the bullet fails to exit, then
you obviously fail to get an exit wound. Even if the deer only runs 50-200 yards
before piling up, a generous blood trail produced by a pair of entrance and exit
wounds is a huge bonus.
The second reason is that I do not believe that a bullet that exits necessarily
expends less energy inside the carcass. Imagine a 130 grain 30 calibre bullet that
expands to 60 calibre and then stops halfway through the carcass. Now imagine a 150
grain bullet that produces an identical 60 calibre mushroom, penetrates halfway, and
then penetrates another quarter of the way (for a total of three quarters) before
stopping. The 150 grain bullet's sectional density allowed it to do everything the
130 grain did plus a little bit more. Now imagine a 165 grain bullet that produces
the same initial effect as the 130 grain by mushrooming to 60 calibre, and only
stops when it gets to the hide opposite the entrance wound. Clearly, it is doing
more damage than either the 130 or the 165 grain bullet. Finally, imagine a 180
grain bullet that enters like the 130, mushrooms to 60 calibre, ploughs all the way
through like the 165, and then still has enough energy to exit.
In brief, the 180 grain bullet did everything the 130 grain bullet did, but the 180
did it twice over. It produced an entrance wound and tissue destruction halfway
through the carcass, then it continued to destroy tissue through the second half of
the body, then it produced an exit wound that essentially mirrored the entrance
wound.
When you compare the 165 to the 180, then you can see that the 180 did everything
the 165 did, and it gave us the bonus of an exit wound. IOW, just because some of
the 180's energy was expended in the backstop does not necessarily mean that it
expended less in the carcass.
N.B.: the thought experiment above assumed that all the bullets produced similar 60
calibre mushrooms. If we had compared a 130 grain soft point to a 180 grain FMJ,
then the comparison would have broken down because the FMJ might have whistled all
the way through without causing as much damage as the lighter soft point. In other
words, it might have produced a wound track or a volume of devastation that was
twice as long but half as wide. If you compare a soft nosed 130 grainer to an
equally soft nosed 180 grainer, then it is reasonable to assume that the diameter of
the wounds produced will be similar.
Another N.B.: In the discussion above, it was assumed that the speed of the bullet
has no bearing on the diameter of the wound track. This is unrealistic. A bullet
that is still supersonic will produce a wound that is more devastating than a bullet
that is almost stopped. The wound produced by one of the lighter bullets,
therefore, would be conical because the diameter of destruction would shrink as the
bullet slowed to a halt. The 180 grain bullet, on the other hand, would travel
quickly all the way through the carcass. Its wound track, therefore, would be
roughly cylindrical and the total volume of the wound would be much larger than that
produced by any of the lighter bullets.
My conclusion, therefore, is that if you want to expend the greatest possible energy
inside the carcass, then use a bullet that is both heavy enough and soft enough to
do two things: mushroom (thus maximizing the diameter of the zone of destruction),
and punch all the way through (thus maximizing the length of the zone of
destruction).
Keep your stick on the ice,
Thos.
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Rodney
>
>
> I have never understood why it is good for a bullet to peter out before exiting.
> One reason why I have trouble with this is that if the bullet fails to exit, then
> you obviously fail to get an exit wound. Even if the deer only runs 50-200 yards
> before piling up, a generous blood trail produced by a pair of entrance and exit
> wounds is a huge bonus.
>
>
For the most part I have to agree with you,, I like two holes, it seams to just get the
job done better, another reason for this is allowing air to come into the chest from two
sides collapsing the lungs quicker.
The number cruncher's love the bullet under the skin theory,, as all of their "number"
energy is expend on the animal, I believe energy does not kill,, putting a hole though
does
Now, My son, back in his youth, loved to hunt deer with varmit bullets in his 270. He
used the 100 grain speer with a huge hollow point in it's nose. The bullets would go in
and blow up,, did a number in the chest cavity, destroying everything, He never lost a
deer to one of those grenades, but now he uses the 140 grain BT
Sam Gaylord
: The number cruncher's love the bullet under the skin theory,, as all of their "number"
: energy is expend on the animal, I believe energy does not kill,, putting a hole though
: does
The energy doesn't kill, per se, but it does put the animal into shock
which will limit how far he goes. If the bullet stays inside the animal
then it's delivered all it's energy to the victim. However when a bullet
passes all the way thru, if it had enough energy to begin with, it could
deliver more energy than the one that stopped, and still leave two holes.
I don't know if two holes are better than one, but I do know that the
2" ragged exit would will collaps a lung faster than the neat .3" entry
wound.
samg
a.k.a Sam Gaylord (sa...@cs.itc.hp.com)
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Travis Rushton
"#%IT HAPPENS"
I think the question is not whether the 22/250 can kill a deer. We all know
that deer can be killed with a rock if you drop it just right... :-) I
think the question here is which is better.
My quote from above comes from the fact that none of us are perfect. There
are occasions when that phrase comes into play. At 200 yards can you see
that stupid little branch sticking out there? In most cases, probably, but
what about in that last case... Would you rather have a 140gr go end over
end for that last 40 yards hitting the deer or a 64gr (only 24 grains
heavier than a .22LR BTW) tumbling end over end to hit the deer. My choice
is obvious.
There's enough margin for error that I think it justifies the larger caliber
rifle. The debate might be a bit more heated if the shooter OWNED only the
22/250.
Just my $.02 and remember, IT HAPPENS! :-)
TR
> > in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down
> > deer
> > or should i stick with the 270
> > --------------------------------------
Very true -tr
> The problem was the bullet,, pushed at 3700 FPS the 50 grain exploded on
the
> shoulder blade and never went through the ribs, the same bullet going 2700
fps
> would have went though and done the job.
>
Excellent advice - tr
> > The 22-250 is considerably more powerful than
> > the .223. I hunted for several years with a guy who (illegally here in
> > Va. and probably most other states too) hunted deer with a 22-250. I
> > will have to admit that I didn't see him loose any and most were
one-shot
> > kills. However, this guy was varmint hunter turned deer hunter and was
> > an absolutely expert marksman who very carefully picked his shots.
There
> > have been documented cases of elephants having been killed with the
lowly
> > .22 Long Rifle, but I think most people would concede that it is hardly
> > the ideal tool for the job. However, if you must use your 22-250, I
> > would suggest two things: (1) check with the AZ fish & game dept. to
> > insure that it is legal and, if so, (2) use the heaviest, most solidly
> > constructed bullet you can get.
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TimeR...@lvcm.com
wrote:
>with a well placed shot to the head or a good heart shot the 22-250 is a
>extent caliber for deer sized game ,but on a hunt like your going on it
>would be wise to take the 270 as a backup rifle just in case something
>happens to your primary gun. if your not sure of a calibers strength
>just aim for the hip almost any deer will fall and stay down long
>enoughs for you to get to it. I've even seen a 22short take a deer at 75
>yards and drop it dead with a head shot thats my opinion jt
A hip shot? You will never hunt with me, or on any land that I ever
own or have control of. If the shot taken does not have a better than
reasonable chance of killing the animal outright, the shot should
never take place. A person who intentionally takes a hip shot at a
deer severely degrades our sport and has no right to call themselves a
hunter.
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range and with a clean, unobstructed shot.
If you own both rifles, stick to the .270. It's a great deer caliber, shoots
flat, and has considerably more knockdown power than the .22-250 (I own both
calibers). The .270 is simply good insurance against inadvertant brush, shot
misplacement, and good ol' buck fever.
Tripp Holmgrain
James D. Rogers
ILLEGAL and can result in big fines.
James D. Rogers
caliber of .243.
Stick with good hunting bullets in .270 and keep the .22-250 for varmints.
lu...@my-deja.com
Jason Taylor <jtsh...@webtv.net> wrote:
>if your not sure of a calibers strength
> just aim for the hip almost any deer will fall and stay down long
> enoughs for you to get to it. I've even seen a 22short take a deer at
>75 yards and drop it dead with a head shot thats my opinion jt
Aim for the hip???
If you actually "hunt" that way (to cripple), you are a jackass...
Luke
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all 'round caliber for both varmints AND deer, IF you had to own only
one rifle. Absolutely super caliber!
Ed Kitchin
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looking for you. I told'em you went that away --->
Not a flame...just my sense of humor,
Mike
"Trying is the first step toward failure"
"Just because I don't care, does'nt mean I don't understand"
--Homer Simpson
Charlie Martin
with the .22-250. If it hadn't been for the excellent shot placement...I think
the deer would have been lost. The .22-250 just doesn't have the penetration
required...I feel...to be a good choice for whitetail. I've since bought him a
7mm-08 to use this year. The .22-250 will work, but be sure to get use a
heavier grain partition tip...to aide in penetration. Make sure that you place
the shot well...or you'll just be devastating a bunch of muscle mass on the
poor animal.
>
> in AZ. I was wondering if the .22-250 has enough power to knock down deer
> or should i stick with the 270
>
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>enoughs for you to get to it.
Just aim for the hip!????
I hope you don't have the gall to call yourself a HUNTER or a SPORTSMAN! It's
people like you that give hunters a bad image, I'd be ashamed to ever be
associated with someone with your ethics!
A hip shot would be UNETHICAL WITH ANY CALIBER!!
Truck
prefer something that goes in only about halfway.
Rodney
> The problem with a big exit wound, though, is that much less meat. I'd
> prefer something that goes in only about halfway.
>
> -
The problem I have found with this approach, is where the deer is hit to start
with,, a bullet hitting the ribs and then stops in the lungs, would not
penetrate the leg bone and then the ribs,, it would blow up on the leg.
Having seen deer killed, dead as dead can get, instantly, using varmit bullets
in 308, 270, 243, 25/06, but also seeing two hit in the front legs with these
bullets and both requiring second shots to bring them down, because the
bullets exploded on the leg bone, and never interred the chest cavity, I like
a bullet that will cut through that leg, and to get that , I will have a
bullet that will go in, and out of just a lung shot
If you can make sure every shot will hit the ribs and not the shoulder blades,
or legs. Try a varmit bullet in one of the above, for the instant dropping
of deer, and forget about any exit wounds. ( one warning though, the field
dressing job, will be messy as hell, it is like a bomb went off in there)
I personally don't care if my deer runs 60 yds,, and I like the hole in, hole
out, and try to miss the off shoulder, so you don't get that meat loss
WVanhou237
writes:
>
>Nobody mentioned it, I don't think, but the 270 is just about the best
>all 'round caliber for both varmints AND deer, ---------------
>Ed Kitchin
>------------------------
>There are some ticked off .243, 257 Roberts and a few 25-06 rifles out
>looking for you. I told'em you went that away --->
>
A host of .243s just joined the posse --------
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Nothing that is politicaly Right can be Moraly wrong.------ Th. Jefferson
Omegaman
Never deer hunt with anything smaller than a .243, and I wouldn't even hunt
with a rifle that small.
If you are worried about damaging meat then hunting with a varmit rifle will
not help. With a varmit rifle you end up wasting the entire deer because it
rots in the woods after running away and dying later. It is unethical to
hunt deer with a 22-250. That gun is for praire dogs and chipmonks.
omegaman
Rodney
> My 2 cents:
>
> Never deer hunt with anything smaller than a .243, and I wouldn't even hunt
> with a rifle that small.
> If you are worried about damaging meat then hunting with a varmit rifle will
> not help. With a varmit rifle you end up wasting the entire deer because it
> rots in the woods after running away and dying later. It is unethical to
> hunt deer with a 22-250. That gun is for praire dogs and chipmonks.
>
Not worth the two cents, because it is bios, based on no facts, judgmental, and
comes from hear say testimony, about like our gun control nuts who base their
knowledge on what they have read, and what has been drummed into them.
I will tell you, like I tell them, if you wouldn't do it, don't ,, but don't
tell me how or what to use, don't put your standards of ethics that are not
derived from facts, on me or anyone else.
How many deer have you lost to hunting them with a varmit rifle?
How many have you found ,that where hit in the vitals that got away, and rotted
in the woods?
The answers to both of these questions is none.
I'd bet I've killed more deer with a 223 than you have in your life,, and I
never lost one shot,
It seams we have a dilemma here, I speak from experience , and you speak from
what you have heard or read, and now you even take it one step further and say
that the 243 is not enough gun.
Another thing have you ever seen a prairie dog or chipmunk shot with the 22-250,
it does not just kill them , it explodes them. Both of these animals can be
cleanly killed with a 22 rim fire CB Cap, if you can hit them, the only reason
the varmit center fire rifles are used is because of the ranges they are shot
at, not because that much destructiveness is needed for a clean kill. Talk
about over kill, try to eat a squirrel or any other small game shot with a 223,
or a 22-250, you can't unless it was a head shot.
If you based killing power of a 22/250 on a prairie dog as a model, of the size
needed for a particular game, then you had better hunt deer with a 20 mm cannon
to get the same results.
All of this is just for not making others follow your holyer than thou rules
chas
high velocity, small caliber cartridges on game size animals. He sounds
like one of those who believe only punishing magnums of .30 or greater
can make swift, one-shot kills. As with ANY caliber, if you use an
incorrectly designed bullet for the specific purpose and/or have poor
shot placement, the results will be less than ideal. I have used a
..22-250 on numerous hunts for deer and boar, with Nosler, or better yet,
Barnes bullets, with fine results. Yes, there will often be a larger
portion of meat waste due to the tissue shock from a high velocity wound
channel, but it will not be from disintegrating bullet fragments with
the above bullets.
In closing, I would not buy a .22-250 as a deer gun, but is can be very
effective. I do indeed prefer to use my 7-08 on such hunts, but this is
due to the better wind-bucking and downrange energy of the heavier
projectile.
Regards...
Omegaman wrote in message <9GrN3.43454$Ev4....@news3.mia>...
:My 2 cents:
:
:Never deer hunt with anything smaller than a .243, and I wouldn't even
hunt
:with a rifle that small.
:If you are worried about damaging meat then hunting with a varmit rifle
will
:not help. With a varmit rifle you end up wasting the entire deer
because it
:rots in the woods after running away and dying later. It is unethical
to
:hunt deer with a 22-250. That gun is for praire dogs and chipmonks.
:
:omegaman
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Rodney
> In closing, I would not buy a .22-250 as a deer gun, but is can be very
> effective. I do indeed prefer to use my 7-08 on such hunts, but this is
> due to the better wind-bucking and downrange energy of the heavier
> projectile.
>
Guess what? I too use the 7-08 as my primary deer rifle, due to the same
reasons.
I have it in a Remington BDL, full barrel length , to get the most from the
round. I get 3000 FPS out of the 139 grain Hornady
But the 22-250 will still bring home the venison.
Stephen Coltrin
thick jackets to be used on Antelope and Deer. I shoot them about 3300 fps
and group them into about 0.5 inches at 100 yards. I have a real hard time
believing that a .243 caliber 100 gr bullet going slower than my 70
grainer would be that much better.
If you are shooting 55 gr explosive bullets, then you're right. They are
not appropriate for deer. I've used my .30-06, 7mmMag and 7x57, and not of
them kill any better or give better penetration on broadside hits than the
little .22-250 with the 70 grain bullets.
Omegaman <omeg...@justicemail.com> wrote in article
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> My 2 cents:
>
> Never deer hunt with anything smaller than a .243, and I wouldn't even
hunt
> with a rifle that small.
> If you are worried about damaging meat then hunting with a varmit rifle
will
> not help. With a varmit rifle you end up wasting the entire deer because
it
> rots in the woods after running away and dying later. It is unethical
to
> hunt deer with a 22-250. That gun is for praire dogs and chipmonks.
>
> omegaman
>
>
GRMCRACKER
<scol...@slkc.uswest.net> writes:
>I've loaded my .22-250 with speer 70 grain semi spitzers designed with
>thick jackets to be used on Antelope and Deer. I shoot them about 3300 fps
>and group them into about 0.5 inches at 100 yards. I have a real hard time
>believing that a .243 caliber 100 gr bullet going slower than my 70
>grainer would be that much better.
Where I hunt antelope (Wyoming) it's illeagle to hunt with a caliber of less
than .23. They did that specifically to prevent hunting with hi-power .22's.
The .243 and 6 mm is a deadly killer with a 100 gr. Hornaday spire point going
2900 fps out of Remington model 700 BDL. Antelope and several mule deer agree!
GRMCRACKER
>
>>I've loaded my .22-250 with speer 70 grain semi spitzers designed with
>>thick jackets to be used on Antelope and Deer. I shoot them about 3300 fps
>>and group them into about 0.5 inches at 100 yards. I have a real hard time
>>believing that a .243 caliber 100 gr bullet going slower than my 70
>>grainer would be that much better.
>
I'm not saying it is or that it isn't. I do know that I'm not getting into the
trap of assuming it isn't. That's because most people that haven't hunted with
the .243 say it's not enough gun. Then again, some guys claim to kill elk with
it at 50 yds.!! Not me.
Anyway, I'm much more interested in terminal bullet performance than in speed.
Once I get in the 2900 to 3000 fps range I'm very satisfied. I use bullet speed
to calculate point blank range, along with the other factors of course. The
perfect mushroom I get from Hornaday 100 gr. spire points kills instantly.
All I'm saying is that Wyoming doesn't allow any calibers less than .23. There
are no .23 calibers that I know of. I wonder why they do that. Is it because
most people don't shoot well enough to kill an antelope with a hi power .22? Or
because they don't think it's enough gun for some reason. If you say it's a
deadly killer, I believe you. I've never hunted with one. Where is it legal for
me to do that, so I can try it out?
BTW my poor old .243 shoots 3/8" groups at 100 yds. with my handloads. But
who's counting. Anything in that range is great. I once shot an antelope that
was moving at a slow trot in the throat at 175 yds. from an offhand position.
Killed it deader than a doornail, instantly. It went down so fast, I thought it
had jumped down a slope and run away!
Rick