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Phillip T. Murphy

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This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
(need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.

My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
possible solutions I have thought of are...

1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?
2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have any
effect on recoil?
3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
charge to target practice with?

I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.

Thanks for any help,
Phillip

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"Phillip T. Murphy" <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?

absolutely, take the gun to a local gunsmith, they can hook you up with a
nice recoil pad.

> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?

I wouldn't advise this, loads with less charge will not have the same
trajectory as your hunting rounds, therefore your siting/scope will be off.

>
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.

a few tips: make sure the gun is butted up to your shoulder solidly, if it
is not up to your shoulder solidly, it will kick more. also for days at the
range, try a shooting vest with a built in shoulder pad, they make some
pretty nice ones now. My buddy has a remington shooting vest, that has a
removeable shoulder pad, that is filled with some type of gel, that works
great to lessen the felt recoil.
Matt in MI

Matt & Robin Woodward

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I shoot a Ruger M77 Mark II stainless in .300 win mag. It had a thin
composite stock and kicked like a mule when shot. I bought a Hogue
overmolded replacement stock for it and it doesn't kick anymore. I can
shoot it almost all day. Of course if you're running 200 grain rounds
through it the mother still hurts after a while. I use 150 grain for deer
up here in Alaska. They shoot extremely flat. They really reach out and
touch what you want to hit. I used 200 grain for the goat and that wasn't
bad either. So yes, downsizing the bullet does make a difference but the
pad was the big help.

Dan Gustafson

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All of your solutions are good ones, especially the muzzle brake. Have a
look at a Brownells catalog or www.brownells.com They sell several muzzle
brakes that will REALLY make a big difference. Some tests (I cant cite
them, but I have read results from them somewhere on the web) have shown
felt recoil reductions of up to 50% with the addition of a muzzle brake
(depending on caliber of course). The gun will seem twice as loud though,
wear good hearing protection. While you are looking at brownells, you
should look into a good pad also, they make a big difference.

I think that lighter bullets definitely make a difference on recoil, but I
could be imagining this. You need to consider that if you are hunting with
this rifle, you need to practice with the EXACT ammo you will hunt with.
Different ammo will shoot very differently, i.e. high and right or maybe low
and left or any combination really. By the way, the first time you shoot
your new magnum guns is always the worst, chances are you will never hurt
like you do now. Just curious, how much does the rifle weigh? I have been
eyeing a Weatherby Ultralight in 300 Win Mag at 6.75 lbs, that worries me a
little.

Thanks,
--Dan

Phillip T. Murphy <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?

> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?
>

> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>

> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip
>

Roy Blair

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I got my Remingtin 300 win mag last year and started
with the 180gr. I soon switch to the 150gr at the
advice of a friend and the recoil seemed to be reduced
considerably. I have to admit that I am just getting
into the sport, but I do like my 300. As for the
scope, I found out about that the hard way....


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Hi Phil,

I have a .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake. This rifle recoils less than my
son's 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser!! However, the muzzle blast is fairly nasty. I
wear ear plugs AND earmuffs when bench shooting. When hunting, I don't
shoot more than once so the sound isn't too bad for one shot.

My rifle was muzzlebraked my the VanHorn brothers in Gilbert Arizona. If
you are interested, contact me and I'll get you their e-mail address.
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Phillip T. Murphy

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Dan,

Thanks for the reply and the good suggestions.

First, looked up the weight of the Savage 111GC in 300 win mag and it also
weighs 6.75 lbs.

I will give the 150 grain a try and see if I can tell a difference. Also, I
will take your comment that I will never hurt this bad shooting this gun
again to heart. I think I was so shocked at the level of recoil compared to
a .308, .303, or 30-06 that part of it probably was a bit psychological
(especially since I am not near as sore the next day as I thought I would
be).

Now a couple of quick questions, being fairly new to hunting rifles.

1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to "screw"
one on?

2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
that?

Thanks for your help,

Phillip

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> All of your solutions are good ones, especially the muzzle brake. Have a
> look at a Brownells catalog or www.brownells.com They sell several muzzle
> brakes that will REALLY make a big difference. Some tests (I cant cite
> them, but I have read results from them somewhere on the web) have shown
> felt recoil reductions of up to 50% with the addition of a muzzle brake
> (depending on caliber of course). The gun will seem twice as loud though,
> wear good hearing protection. While you are looking at brownells, you
> should look into a good pad also, they make a big difference.
>
> I think that lighter bullets definitely make a difference on recoil, but I
> could be imagining this. You need to consider that if you are hunting
with
> this rifle, you need to practice with the EXACT ammo you will hunt with.
> Different ammo will shoot very differently, i.e. high and right or maybe
low
> and left or any combination really. By the way, the first time you shoot
> your new magnum guns is always the worst, chances are you will never hurt
> like you do now. Just curious, how much does the rifle weigh? I have
been
> eyeing a Weatherby Ultralight in 300 Win Mag at 6.75 lbs, that worries me
a
> little.
>
> Thanks,
> --Dan
>

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Steve Wolfe

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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?

Sure. Put a thicker pad on it, perhaps a softer one if the factory one is
pretty stiff. Or, do like I did on my girlfriend's shotgun, and put one of
the "slip-on" pads on top of the factory pad. That does add length to the
stock, and change where your face sits, but that doesn't necessarily mean
that it will be a bad thing.

> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?

You betcha. Don't expect huge, drastic drops in recoil, but it should be
noticeable.

> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?

Sure. Your gunsmith would be happy to do it for you. : )

> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.

You might look into a scope with a longer eye relief. Circular cuts
around your eye aren't very appealing, and don't count as trophies of any
sorts. : )

steve

Guns4570

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Phil, you have most of those ways to reduce recoil. The best proven ones are a
muzzle break of appropriate design. Go for the ones that have the hundred tiny
holes as the muzzle blast from those are less dangerous on your ears than the
ones from the others except for the Boss System from Browning. The lighter
bullet weight will be a way to go also as that will reduce the effect of
Newtons 3rd law of motion on your shouder. The old opposite reaction bit.
Reloading is the best way with lighter bullets in my mind for a hunting rifle.
Other ways are to wear a Past shoulder Magnum level pad when shooting that
rifle off the bench and it won't matter on the hunt. Look at all of them and
see which ones you want to try. The Past pad is a great fix for the bench
though to control the recoil. And it doesn't change the rifle. I would look
into reloading and maybe the past pad. One other thing you can put a recoil
pad on the rifle as you stated but you can put a recoil reducer in the stock
also like the trap shooters use. Usually a mercury filled object that takes
out recoil, I have a buddy in AK that has on in his 375 HH Mag.

Thats if from my point of view.

aul...@my-deja.com

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I had the same problem with my Ruger 77 stainless synthetic in 338 Win
mag. I had my ported and it made the word of difference. My smith did
my gun differently than any other gun I have run into.

It is 4 rows with 5 holes per column. Usually if you are adding a
muzzle break the barrrel is shortened ~ 3 - 3.5 in then .5 in is turned
down and threaded to accept the break. You loose the barrel lenth
because the barrel would just get too long otherwise. The gun is the
blued to match.

Since mine was stainless(too hard to match color) my smith recommended
a different way. He had a reamer that cut the crown back 2.5 in into
the barrel and the port holes drilled right into the barrel. I has
worked great and the recoil is greatly reduced.

Though as with all porting the precieved blast is greater. You should
have seen the reaction the first time I touched off in a semi enclosed
firing line the guy beside me must have felt the warm breeze go by.

I have not seen any reduced factory loads but the 150's should have
less recoil but I am not sure how much. By the time I am rifle hunting
it is generaly cold so I wear my extra recoil pad(2 or 3 layers of it)

The one other draw back of a muzzle break is either you have a too long
barrel effecting handling or you loose barrel length a some velosity.
To compebsat for this I use lighter bullets 210 nosler and faster
powders so I don't loose as much speed.


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Phillip T. Murphy

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Sorry to hear you had to learn about the scope the hard way. I know that
can be painful.

However, I am glad to hear that now like your 300 Mag and that the 150 grain
bullet has less recoil. I will give it a shot.

Thanks,

Phillip

"Roy Blair" <blai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I got my Remingtin 300 win mag last year and started
> with the 180gr. I soon switch to the 150gr at the
> advice of a friend and the recoil seemed to be reduced
> considerably. I have to admit that I am just getting
> into the sport, but I do like my 300. As for the
> scope, I found out about that the hard way....
>
>
> --- "Phillip T. Murphy" <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com>
> wrote:

> > This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester
> > Magnum to deer hunt with
> > (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location).
> > The gun is VERY
> > accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil
> > is stronger than any
> > gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not
> > this much.
> >
> > My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects
> > of the recoil? Some
> > possible solutions I have thought of are...
> >
> > 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the
> > butt of the gun?

> > 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as
> > opposed to my 180g) have any
> > effect on recoil?

> > 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?

> > 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load
> > yet) that have less
> > charge to target practice with?
> >

> > I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have
> > a sore shoulder after
> > sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad,
> > but shooting 40 rounds
> > through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a
> > problem. I had to be
> > pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black
> > my eye.
> >

> > Thanks for any help,
> > Phillip
> >
> >

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Phillip T. Murphy <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> 1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to
"screw"
> one on?
You will have to find a gunsmith that can do that for you. Usually, the
muzzle brakes come threaded so you need to have your barrel threaded.

> 2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
> that?

You can definitely put a new pad on yourself. Check out how your existing
pad comes off, it probably used two screws. I think Pachmyer makes some
good pads.

--Dan

Paul Collie

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"Phillip T. Murphy" wrote:
>
> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?
> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?
>
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip
>
>


The good thing is that hunting doesn't require 40
rounds. If you are happy with the way it shoots...then
leave it alone. Get a pad for your
shoulder. When you are hunting game....you won't even
feel that recoil.

Cheers...

Bill Kenner

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>
> 1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to "screw"
> one on?
>
> 2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
> that?
>

Phillip,

You need a gunsmith to attach the muzzle brake. A company in Texas, Vais (not
sure about spelling, see Brownells') offers a muzzle brake that pushes the
sound forward and not back onto your ears.

Instillation of a recoil pad usually requires a gunsmith's help to look good.
If there's any fitting to be done where you would need to sand the pad, then
don't experiment on your new rifle. The Pacchmyer Deccelarator pad is soft and
has a good rep for reducing recoil.

Bill Kenner
Nashville, TN

jfb

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Why do you need 40 rounds to sight in a scope? I just finished sighting in
my 8mm Rem. Mag. and used 5 rounds to do the job. I don't think I've ever
used more than 10 rounds in any rifle I have ever sighted in, unless I just
wanted to shoot it for fun.
JFB

Chris Barnes

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"jfb" <j...@uidaho.edu> wrote in message

> Why do you need 40 rounds to sight in a scope? I just finished sighting
in
> my 8mm Rem. Mag. and used 5 rounds to do the job. I don't think I've ever
> used more than 10 rounds in any rifle I have ever sighted in, unless I
just
> wanted to shoot it for fun.


Depends. If it's the very first time a gun has been sighted (after bore
sighting), it often takes me more than a box to get it to where I want it.
On the other hand, I shot my .270 last night to "sight it in" (after using
it last year). The first shot was dead center of the bullseye, so I put it
back in the case.

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Bob Boardman

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In article <39E5B5B9...@telalink.net>, Bill Kenner <fre...@telalink.net> writes:
>>
>> 1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to "screw"
>> one on?
>>
>> 2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
>> that?
>>
>
>Phillip,
>
>You need a gunsmith to attach the muzzle brake. A company in Texas, Vais (not
>sure about spelling, see Brownells') offers a muzzle brake that pushes the
>sound forward and not back onto your ears.
>
According to this month's _Precision Shooting_ magazine, George Vais has
retired. He has sold his business to another gunsmith, Ron Bartlett, who is
continuing production of the unique Vais muzzle brake. I convinced a friend
to put one on his .340 Weatherby, and it truly is remarkable. Those interested
in a Vais brake should contact:

Vais Arms, Inc.
Ron Bartlett, Owner
13707 Wood Point
San Antonio, Texas 78231
Phone/Fax (210) 479-2803

-Bob

(note: I have no connection with this company - I've just been very impressed
with the performance of this brake compared to the "standard design" brakes
I've shot)

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Phillip T. Murphy

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> Why do you need 40 rounds to sight in a scope? I just finished sighting
in
> my 8mm Rem. Mag. and used 5 rounds to do the job. I don't think I've ever
> used more than 10 rounds in any rifle I have ever sighted in, unless I
just
> wanted to shoot it for fun.
> JFB

Well, there were two of us practicing with it and both wanted to shoot a
group (3) from several diffract distances.

Plus, we were doing it for fun. However, the recoil sort of doused the fun
a bit.

Phillip

Dick Fuehrer

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"Phillip T. Murphy" wrote:
>
> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?
> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?
>
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip
>
I almost hate to suggest it, but why not trade it for a caliber that
reaches just as far but with less recoil? What kind of range are you
needing, anyway? Guns like the 270 or 7MM Mag will get you well over 300
yards and won't tear your arm off. If you aren't hunting anything
bigger than deer, the 300 is much bigger than you need anyway.

Dick F.

BIL...@webtv.net

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please do yourself a favor and don't put a muzzle brake on your
gun...add a decelarator pad if you need it....you will get way to much
muzzle blast with the brake....if shooting of the bench was a problem
don't wory ... you will never feel the recoil when you shoot at an
animal.

Bill


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Chris Ebert

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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>

Try a PAST Recoil Pad. It slips on over your shoulder, and it really takes
the edge off of the kick. I think they're around $30 - well worth it.

Hope this helps,
Chris Ebert

pasc...@earthlink.net

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The other great benefit of the muzzle break is that after about two shots, both
benches on your left and right sides will be empty and you can use their sand
bags! I know on my M70 .300 WM, the muzzle break makes the recoil almost
exactly the same as my Ruger 25-06. And I also use a gel-filled recoil pad. Use
them both, they work!

Steve Huber

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Phillip T. Murphy wrote in message <8s39hf$949$1...@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>...
<SNIP>1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to
"screw"
>one on?


You will have to have a gunsmith install a muzzlebrake.


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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...


when sighting in your scope or target practicing, put a small pillow between
the gun and your arm..........when you are shooting at game you won't feel
the recoil

dgust...@dnco.org

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Oct 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/13/00
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Bill Kenner <fre...@telalink.net> wrote in message
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> You need a gunsmith to attach the muzzle brake. A company in Texas, Vais
(not
> sure about spelling, see Brownells') offers a muzzle brake that pushes the
> sound forward and not back onto your ears.

I have always wondered about these types of muzzle brakes (if I am thinking
of the same one you are). The brakes I am thinking of when I read your
description are the type that have no holes around the cirsumference of the
brake, but have several holes around the muzzle hole, aiming the same
direction as the bore. What does this accomplish? Instead of directing the
gasses from the sides of the barrel like a regular brake, the gasses are
expelled from the same direction as the muzzle. The theory just doesnt seem
good, in my opinion. I am guessing that I MUST be wrong, or why would they
even make this type of brake? But then again, that wouldnt be the first
pointless product to hit the market. Any info is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
--Dan

Steve Wolfe

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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> Plus, we were doing it for fun. However, the recoil sort of doused the
fun
> a bit.

Speaking of recoil, I recall a fellow at a local range that had jsut
bought himself a new 12-gauge autoloader, and was sighting it in with slugs.
While I was shooting, I heard "BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM!" - the guy had just
pulled the trigger as fast as he could to dump all five rounds. By the time
I spun around to see what he as doing, he was already 10 or 15 feet behind
where he had been, and was still hopping, trying to catch his balance. : )

steve

wedgew

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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Recoil can be a bit of a problem. Last week I shot 40+ rounds of .375
H&H at 50 100 and 200 yds.. I do use a past recoil sissypad ( also 15
rounds of 12 gauge 3" rifle slugs) that recoil pads helps a lot
I swear to gosh the recoil from the shotgun is worse.
I scarcely ever remember the report or the recoil after a shot at a game
animal.

Recoil seems much worse off the bench than from standing siting of
kneeling.


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--
OK!
So whose smart ideA was it to put the
CAPSLOCK kEy rIGHT nExT TO tHE sHiFt kEy


(Seek not to confound me as I am dim witted and slow of study)

Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.

~Wedge

Sam Sperry

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
....

> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip

One suggestion regarding taking a beating at the range:

I have a small sandbag that I use between the butt of the rifle and my
shoulder. I have also used a rolled up jacket or folded guncase in a
pinch. Your dont want to get too carried away or you will using an
unnattural shooting position, but this has cured the problem for me. The
last thing you want to do is let your rifle hurt you. You will develop an
flinch reflex. One finger on the forearm should keep the muzzle jump in
check if you have the rifle properly bedded in your sand bags. I believe
you will find that you will not notice the recoil when shooting at game in
the field.

Mr. Moto

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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I used to hockey tape a bag with about 5 pounds of shot against the off side
of the stock if I was going to shoot a heavy recoiling rifle quite a bit
from a bench. A .375 tames down quite a bit.

Jason Taylor

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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i used to have a ruger number 1 in 300 mag that would like a mule and
to solve this problem i first tryed a but cover that was abot two inches
thick it was the kind that slips on over the factory recoil pad and
tied on similar to shoe laces that worked for a little while but i
still felt the recoil second thing i tryed was a paded shooting vest
along with the recoi pad but that still wasnt working for me a
friend told me about a company that ported barrels you send the rifle
or pistol in to them and they would port it and have it back to you in a
week i tryed that and it worked i can not think of the name of the
company but i found them in the back of a huntng magizine if i can
rember rightly i think it cost me around 100 dollars the only draw
back is porting makes the rifle twice as loud but it is a good trade
off

Steve Wolfe

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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> Why do you need 40 rounds to sight in a scope? I just finished sighting
in
> my 8mm Rem. Mag. and used 5 rounds to do the job. I don't think I've ever
> used more than 10 rounds in any rifle I have ever sighted in, unless I
just
> wanted to shoot it for fun.

One possible reason is that once you site it in at a particular yardage,
you *just might* want to see how it will then perform at different yardages,
since game usually doesn't listen to requests to "come toward me about
thirty paces."

steve

junobug

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Dec 11, 2000, 4:55:17 PM12/11/00
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BIL...@webtv.net wrote in message
<21214-39...@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

please do yourself a favor and don't put a muzzle brake on your
gun...add a decelarator pad if you need it....you will get way to much
muzzle blast with the brake....if shooting of the bench was a problem
don't wory ... you will never feel the recoil when you shoot at an
animal.

Bill


http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/BILLNY/index.html

Bills right on that last part. I noticed that when I got my first buck last
month. Not that a 30-30 has much of a kick, but I didn't even realize I
fired one off until I saw the smoke. I certainly hope that holds true when
I move up to a 300.

ken
juneau, ak

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