My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
possible solutions I have thought of are...
1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?
2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have any
effect on recoil?
3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
charge to target practice with?
I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
Thanks for any help,
Phillip
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absolutely, take the gun to a local gunsmith, they can hook you up with a
nice recoil pad.
> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?
I wouldn't advise this, loads with less charge will not have the same
trajectory as your hunting rounds, therefore your siting/scope will be off.
>
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
a few tips: make sure the gun is butted up to your shoulder solidly, if it
is not up to your shoulder solidly, it will kick more. also for days at the
range, try a shooting vest with a built in shoulder pad, they make some
pretty nice ones now. My buddy has a remington shooting vest, that has a
removeable shoulder pad, that is filled with some type of gel, that works
great to lessen the felt recoil.
Matt in MI
I think that lighter bullets definitely make a difference on recoil, but I
could be imagining this. You need to consider that if you are hunting with
this rifle, you need to practice with the EXACT ammo you will hunt with.
Different ammo will shoot very differently, i.e. high and right or maybe low
and left or any combination really. By the way, the first time you shoot
your new magnum guns is always the worst, chances are you will never hurt
like you do now. Just curious, how much does the rifle weigh? I have been
eyeing a Weatherby Ultralight in 300 Win Mag at 6.75 lbs, that worries me a
little.
Thanks,
--Dan
Phillip T. Murphy <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester Magnum to deer hunt with
> (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location). The gun is VERY
> accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil is stronger than any
> gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not this much.
>
> My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects of the recoil? Some
> possible solutions I have thought of are...
>
> 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the butt of the gun?
> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load yet) that have less
> charge to target practice with?
>
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip
>
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I have a .300 Win Mag with a muzzle brake. This rifle recoils less than my
son's 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser!! However, the muzzle blast is fairly nasty. I
wear ear plugs AND earmuffs when bench shooting. When hunting, I don't
shoot more than once so the sound isn't too bad for one shot.
My rifle was muzzlebraked my the VanHorn brothers in Gilbert Arizona. If
you are interested, contact me and I'll get you their e-mail address.
--
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Thanks for the reply and the good suggestions.
First, looked up the weight of the Savage 111GC in 300 win mag and it also
weighs 6.75 lbs.
I will give the 150 grain a try and see if I can tell a difference. Also, I
will take your comment that I will never hurt this bad shooting this gun
again to heart. I think I was so shocked at the level of recoil compared to
a .308, .303, or 30-06 that part of it probably was a bit psychological
(especially since I am not near as sore the next day as I thought I would
be).
Now a couple of quick questions, being fairly new to hunting rifles.
1. How do you attach a muzzle break to a rifle that was not made to "screw"
one on?
2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
that?
Thanks for your help,
Phillip
"Dan Gustafson" <dan...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> All of your solutions are good ones, especially the muzzle brake. Have a
> look at a Brownells catalog or www.brownells.com They sell several muzzle
> brakes that will REALLY make a big difference. Some tests (I cant cite
> them, but I have read results from them somewhere on the web) have shown
> felt recoil reductions of up to 50% with the addition of a muzzle brake
> (depending on caliber of course). The gun will seem twice as loud though,
> wear good hearing protection. While you are looking at brownells, you
> should look into a good pad also, they make a big difference.
>
> I think that lighter bullets definitely make a difference on recoil, but I
> could be imagining this. You need to consider that if you are hunting
with
> this rifle, you need to practice with the EXACT ammo you will hunt with.
> Different ammo will shoot very differently, i.e. high and right or maybe
low
> and left or any combination really. By the way, the first time you shoot
> your new magnum guns is always the worst, chances are you will never hurt
> like you do now. Just curious, how much does the rifle weigh? I have
been
> eyeing a Weatherby Ultralight in 300 Win Mag at 6.75 lbs, that worries me
a
> little.
>
> Thanks,
> --Dan
>
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Sure. Put a thicker pad on it, perhaps a softer one if the factory one is
pretty stiff. Or, do like I did on my girlfriend's shotgun, and put one of
the "slip-on" pads on top of the factory pad. That does add length to the
stock, and change where your face sits, but that doesn't necessarily mean
that it will be a bad thing.
> 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as opposed to my 180g) have
any
> effect on recoil?
You betcha. Don't expect huge, drastic drops in recoil, but it should be
noticeable.
> 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
Sure. Your gunsmith would be happy to do it for you. : )
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
You might look into a scope with a longer eye relief. Circular cuts
around your eye aren't very appealing, and don't count as trophies of any
sorts. : )
steve
Thats if from my point of view.
It is 4 rows with 5 holes per column. Usually if you are adding a
muzzle break the barrrel is shortened ~ 3 - 3.5 in then .5 in is turned
down and threaded to accept the break. You loose the barrel lenth
because the barrel would just get too long otherwise. The gun is the
blued to match.
Since mine was stainless(too hard to match color) my smith recommended
a different way. He had a reamer that cut the crown back 2.5 in into
the barrel and the port holes drilled right into the barrel. I has
worked great and the recoil is greatly reduced.
Though as with all porting the precieved blast is greater. You should
have seen the reaction the first time I touched off in a semi enclosed
firing line the guy beside me must have felt the warm breeze go by.
I have not seen any reduced factory loads but the 150's should have
less recoil but I am not sure how much. By the time I am rifle hunting
it is generaly cold so I wear my extra recoil pad(2 or 3 layers of it)
The one other draw back of a muzzle break is either you have a too long
barrel effecting handling or you loose barrel length a some velosity.
To compebsat for this I use lighter bullets 210 nosler and faster
powders so I don't loose as much speed.
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Before you buy.
However, I am glad to hear that now like your 300 Mag and that the 150 grain
bullet has less recoil. I will give it a shot.
Thanks,
Phillip
"Roy Blair" <blai...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I got my Remingtin 300 win mag last year and started
> with the 180gr. I soon switch to the 150gr at the
> advice of a friend and the recoil seemed to be reduced
> considerably. I have to admit that I am just getting
> into the sport, but I do like my 300. As for the
> scope, I found out about that the hard way....
>
>
> --- "Phillip T. Murphy" <yoptmu...@2mindspring.com>
> wrote:
> > This year I purchased a Savage 111GC Winchester
> > Magnum to deer hunt with
> > (need quite a bit of range for my hunting location).
> > The gun is VERY
> > accurate! However, it is a hand cannon! The recoil
> > is stronger than any
> > gun I have ever shot, which I was expecting, but not
> > this much.
> >
> > My question is, is there a way to reduce the effects
> > of the recoil? Some
> > possible solutions I have thought of are...
> >
> > 1) Is there a different type of pad I can put on the
> > butt of the gun?
> > 2) Does shooting a lighter bullet (say 150g as
> > opposed to my 180g) have any
> > effect on recoil?
> > 3) Can a muzzle brake be put on after the fact?
> > 4) Do they make loads (commercially, I don't re-load
> > yet) that have less
> > charge to target practice with?
> >
> > I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have
> > a sore shoulder after
> > sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad,
> > but shooting 40 rounds
> > through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a
> > problem. I had to be
> > pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black
> > my eye.
> >
> > Thanks for any help,
> > Phillip
> >
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> 2. As far as a new pad, can I put that on or will a gunsmith need to do
> that?
You can definitely put a new pad on yourself. Check out how your existing
pad comes off, it probably used two screws. I think Pachmyer makes some
good pads.
--Dan
The good thing is that hunting doesn't require 40
rounds. If you are happy with the way it shoots...then
leave it alone. Get a pad for your
shoulder. When you are hunting game....you won't even
feel that recoil.
Cheers...
Phillip,
You need a gunsmith to attach the muzzle brake. A company in Texas, Vais (not
sure about spelling, see Brownells') offers a muzzle brake that pushes the
sound forward and not back onto your ears.
Instillation of a recoil pad usually requires a gunsmith's help to look good.
If there's any fitting to be done where you would need to sand the pad, then
don't experiment on your new rifle. The Pacchmyer Deccelarator pad is soft and
has a good rep for reducing recoil.
Bill Kenner
Nashville, TN
Depends. If it's the very first time a gun has been sighted (after bore
sighting), it often takes me more than a box to get it to where I want it.
On the other hand, I shot my .270 last night to "sight it in" (after using
it last year). The first shot was dead center of the bullseye, so I put it
back in the case.
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Well, there were two of us practicing with it and both wanted to shoot a
group (3) from several diffract distances.
Plus, we were doing it for fun. However, the recoil sort of doused the fun
a bit.
Phillip
Dick F.
Bill
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Try a PAST Recoil Pad. It slips on over your shoulder, and it really takes
the edge off of the kick. I think they're around $30 - well worth it.
Hope this helps,
Chris Ebert
You will have to have a gunsmith install a muzzlebrake.
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when sighting in your scope or target practicing, put a small pillow between
the gun and your arm..........when you are shooting at game you won't feel
the recoil
I have always wondered about these types of muzzle brakes (if I am thinking
of the same one you are). The brakes I am thinking of when I read your
description are the type that have no holes around the cirsumference of the
brake, but have several holes around the muzzle hole, aiming the same
direction as the bore. What does this accomplish? Instead of directing the
gasses from the sides of the barrel like a regular brake, the gasses are
expelled from the same direction as the muzzle. The theory just doesnt seem
good, in my opinion. I am guessing that I MUST be wrong, or why would they
even make this type of brake? But then again, that wouldnt be the first
pointless product to hit the market. Any info is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
--Dan
Speaking of recoil, I recall a fellow at a local range that had jsut
bought himself a new 12-gauge autoloader, and was sighting it in with slugs.
While I was shooting, I heard "BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM!" - the guy had just
pulled the trigger as fast as he could to dump all five rounds. By the time
I spun around to see what he as doing, he was already 10 or 15 feet behind
where he had been, and was still hopping, trying to catch his balance. : )
steve
Recoil seems much worse off the bench than from standing siting of
kneeling.
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So whose smart ideA was it to put the
CAPSLOCK kEy rIGHT nExT TO tHE sHiFt kEy
(Seek not to confound me as I am dim witted and slow of study)
Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
~Wedge
> I like how the gun shoots, but geeze, I really have a sore shoulder after
> sighting it in yesterday. A few shots is not bad, but shooting 40 rounds
> through it one day to sight my scope was a bit of a problem. I had to be
> pretty careful to hang on so the scope didn't black my eye.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Phillip
One suggestion regarding taking a beating at the range:
I have a small sandbag that I use between the butt of the rifle and my
shoulder. I have also used a rolled up jacket or folded guncase in a
pinch. Your dont want to get too carried away or you will using an
unnattural shooting position, but this has cured the problem for me. The
last thing you want to do is let your rifle hurt you. You will develop an
flinch reflex. One finger on the forearm should keep the muzzle jump in
check if you have the rifle properly bedded in your sand bags. I believe
you will find that you will not notice the recoil when shooting at game in
the field.
One possible reason is that once you site it in at a particular yardage,
you *just might* want to see how it will then perform at different yardages,
since game usually doesn't listen to requests to "come toward me about
thirty paces."
steve
Bill
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Bills right on that last part. I noticed that when I got my first buck last
month. Not that a 30-30 has much of a kick, but I didn't even realize I
fired one off until I saw the smoke. I certainly hope that holds true when
I move up to a 300.
ken
juneau, ak