7.62 vs. .308...by now I'm confused.
Dennis Stevenson
Stalker in 7mm-08 w/BOSS. But I've been reading as much as I can about the
..308 vs. 7.62 FMJ ammo and am confused. It's the same...it's not the
same... What's the bottom line? If I buy a .308, can I use 7.62 FMJ ammo?
Also, what the second number in 7.62 x "51" stand for? I've seen several
different 7.62's.
TIA,
Dennis.
Dick F.
7.62 is the diameter of the bullet in mm. Several different rounds use
it, like the 7.62x39 which is the one used by the cheap Chinese SKS.
7.62 FMJ is simply a full metal jacketed bullet which can be used in any
30 cal cartridge. It doesn't refer to a specific caliber.
.308 caliber (aka 30 cal) is the bullet diameter in inches. The American
system is irratic, to say the least. For instance, a 222 and a 223 both
shoot the same bullet which is .224 caliber.
The 51 is the length of the case in mm.
7.62x51 is the European designation for the 308 and is much more
descriptive of the round's actual size.
7.62 Nato is the military version which is completely interchangable
with the .308 Win.
Dick
Frank Logullo
news:JkQvb.278853$Tr4.857205@attbi_s03...
length of 2 inches, complete US case would be .308 x .5. The 08 cartridge
you bought is .308 necked down to 7 mm - now there's a mix of metric and US
designations! There are Russian 7.62 x 39 and x 44. You can shoot the Nato
7.62 x 51 in US .308 with the caveat that the case may be heavier and cannot
be reloaded with as much powder as .308 since case capacity is less.
Frank
Oliver Bauer
the 7.62 x 51 means diameter of the bullet (7.62 mm) and the second numer
means the
lenght of the brass (51 mm in length). This is "European" for the .308
Winchester.
As far as I know you can shoot 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a .308 Win. rifle and
308 Win ammo in a 7.62x51 NATO rifle. Over here in Europe we do this
thousend times a day... :-)
..just my 2 cents...
Greetings from Austria,
Oliver
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Dennis Stevenson
tasting venison on the face of the earth.
Dennis.
"Oliver Bauer" <gams...@everyday.com> wrote in message
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> Dennis,
> the 7.62 x 51 means diameter of the bullet (7.62 mm) and the second numer
> means the
> lenght of the brass (51 mm in length). This is "European" for the .308
> Winchester.
> As far as I know you can shoot 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a .308 Win. rifle and
> 308 Win ammo in a 7.62x51 NATO rifle. Over here in Europe we do this
> thousend times a day... :-)
>
> ..just my 2 cents...
>
> Greetings from Austria,
> Oliver
>
>
> "Dennis Stevenson" <dennis.s...@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:JkQvb.278853$Tr4.857205@attbi_s03...
Oliver Bauer
best
> tasting venison on the face of the earth.
>
> Dennis.
Dennis,
you're absolutely right! And now...imagine....I just shot 2 "Rothirsch"
calves : -)
This is venison!! :-)
Messer
> Not that it really matters anymore...I just picked up a new A-Bolt Stainless
> Stalker in 7mm-08 w/BOSS. But I've been reading as much as I can about the
> ..308 vs. 7.62 FMJ ammo and am confused.
OK - first off, you do realize the 7mm-08 is NOT the same as the
7.62x51/308 Win. - right? 7mm bullets have a diameter of .284" and 7.62mm
are .308" - you should not be able to chamber a 308 Win. in a 7mm-08 (and
if you can - DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!)
The 7mm-08 is the 308 Win. case necked down to use the smaller bullet -
both are fine hunting rounds.
Take care,
Bob
~~~~~~~~~~
And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and
stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than
rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Groucho Marx
Alt Jaeger
to hunt. We have them here also only we call them elk or wapiti. They
are the same species, only different subspecies.
Dennis Stevenson
Dennis.
"Alt Jaeger" <altj...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Kevin D. Snodgrass
> Dennis,
> the 7.62 x 51 means diameter of the bullet (7.62 mm) and the second numer
> means the
> lenght of the brass (51 mm in length). This is "European" for the .308
> Winchester.
> As far as I know you can shoot 7.62x51 NATO ammo in a .308 Win. rifle and
> 308 Win ammo in a 7.62x51 NATO rifle. Over here in Europe we do this
> thousend times a day... :-)
Not true! Read this:
http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html
Oliver Bauer
> http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html
You're right - but:
you can shoot both rounds
in a .308 and in a 7.62x51 rifle.
Even the mililtary over here uses .308 Win ammo
(in shooting competitions, rifles are stamped with 7.62 NATO)
...just my 2 cents...
Later,
Oliver
Dennis Stevenson
original preference for the .308 largely because of the cheap ammo
situation. When I found this A-Bolt Stainless Stalker 7mm-08 with BOSS, I
bought it because of the BOSS. I haven't shot it yet, but I bet it's going
to be a pretty accurate rifle.
Thanks,
Dennis.
"Messer" <rj...@Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.32.031125...@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Dennis Stevenson wrote:
>
> > Not that it really matters anymore...I just picked up a new A-Bolt
Stainless
> > Stalker in 7mm-08 w/BOSS. But I've been reading as much as I can about
the
> > ..308 vs. 7.62 FMJ ammo and am confused.
>
Messer
> Yes, I know the difference. I was looking for a .308 or a 7mm-08, with the
> original preference for the .308 largely because of the cheap ammo
> situation. When I found this A-Bolt Stainless Stalker 7mm-08 with BOSS, I
> bought it because of the BOSS. I haven't shot it yet, but I bet it's going
> to be a pretty accurate rifle.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis.
OK - good deal, sorry for my confusion. I've heard good things about the
BOSS system regarding accuracy - but I always worry about to noise. It's
not a problem at the range, but out in the woods... I had a 7-30 Waters
Contender barrel with a brake - one shot at a deer and my ears rang for a
couple of days. Went to one without a brake (7-30W) and have no problems
with it. Your hearing may vary ;^>
Let us know how it works for you.
David Heinsohn
Then first time I shot a deer, the ringing lasted a long time. About 6
months after that, I now have nearly constant ear ringing. Browning makes a
straight tube to remove the brake, but keep the BOSS. You may want to check
into it. I have been shooting firearms for many years. Only two times have
gun blast been really bad. I told you the last time. The other time was when
I shot a deer with a .357 Mag 25 years ago. That was loud too.
The 7mm-08 doesn't have much recoil. My Browning is a .270 I also have 7mm
mag and others. Due to noise, I detest the muzzle brakes. The recoil from
most catridges is no problem with no brakes.
David Heinsohn
Longview, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Stevenson" <dennis.s...@comcast.net>
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: 7.62 vs. .308...by now I'm confused.
> Yes, I know the difference. I was looking for a .308 or a 7mm-08, with the
> original preference for the .308 largely because of the cheap ammo
> situation. When I found this A-Bolt Stainless Stalker 7mm-08 with BOSS, I
> bought it because of the BOSS. I haven't shot it yet, but I bet it's
going
> to be a pretty accurate rifle.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis.
>
> "Messer" <rj...@Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
> news:Pine.A41.4.32.031125...@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> > On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Dennis Stevenson wrote:
> >
> > > Not that it really matters anymore...I just picked up a new A-Bolt
> Stainless
> > > Stalker in 7mm-08 w/BOSS. But I've been reading as much as I can
about
> the
> > > ..308 vs. 7.62 FMJ ammo and am confused.
> >
> > OK - first off, you do realize the 7mm-08 is NOT the same as the
> > 7.62x51/308 Win. - right? 7mm bullets have a diameter of .284" and
7.62mm
> > are .308" - you should not be able to chamber a 308 Win. in a 7mm-08
(and
> > if you can - DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER!)
> >
> > The 7mm-08 is the 308 Win. case necked down to use the smaller bullet -
> > both are fine hunting rounds.
> >
Dennis Stevenson
for conventional recoil BOSS. My buddy warned me about the standard
BOSS..because of muzzle blast. So, off to the range I went....Ah, what a
treat! With the BOSS/CR dialed into the factory recommended "2", it shot
..75" groups/100yards as soon as I had finished sighting it in. I was also
using Remington CoreLockts 140's. Cheap, good hunting ammo, but certainly
not the cream of the crop for accuracy.
I'm happy!
Dennis.
"Messer" <rj...@Virginia.EDU> wrote in message
news:Pine.A41.4.32.031126...@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU...
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Dennis Stevenson wrote:
>
> > Yes, I know the difference. I was looking for a .308 or a 7mm-08, with
the
> > original preference for the .308 largely because of the cheap ammo
> > situation. When I found this A-Bolt Stainless Stalker 7mm-08 with BOSS,
I
> > bought it because of the BOSS. I haven't shot it yet, but I bet it's
going
> > to be a pretty accurate rifle.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dennis.
>
> OK - good deal, sorry for my confusion. I've heard good things about the
> BOSS system regarding accuracy - but I always worry about to noise. It's
> not a problem at the range, but out in the woods... I had a 7-30 Waters
> Contender barrel with a brake - one shot at a deer and my ears rang for a
> couple of days. Went to one without a brake (7-30W) and have no problems
> with it. Your hearing may vary ;^>
>
> Let us know how it works for you.
>
mikey
them. I know he knows them because I ask him some of the same.
I do know that you can not use 7.62 ammo in a 308. Actually a 7.62 is more
simular to a 30-06 round. I do my own reloading for my 30-06 and you learn
alot. I will find out for sure what the
51 stands for I think I know but don't want to say until I know for sure.
Until then, Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Stevenson" <dennis.s...@comcast.net>
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Bill VH
<mik...@cccusa.net> writes:
>I do know that you can not use 7.62 ammo in a 308. Actually a 7.62 is more
>simular to a 30-06 round. I do my own reloading for my 30-06 and you learn
>alot. I will find out for sure what the
>51 stands for I think I know but don't want to say until I know for sure.
>Until then, Mike
The 7.62mm is bullet diameter. 7.62 = .308" 51mm is the length of .308
Winchester brass. IIRC 7.62x57 = 30-06 round.
The conflict between .308 Win. and 7.62x51 NATO has more to do with the
way military and commercial chambers are cut.
Bill Van Houten (USA Ret)
Thermopylae had it's messenger of defeat, COME AND GET THEM !
The Alamo had none.
Alt Jaeger
The 51 is the length of the case in MM. The 7.62 is essentially the
308 and bears little resemblance to the 30-06. It is more closely
family to the .300 Savage which is the first case that the military used
in their search that led to development of the 7.62 NATO (Also known as
the .308 Winchester).
Alt Jaeger
I think you will find the 30-06 is 7.62x63. Either that or USAREUR PAM
28-148 and I have been confused for years. I know my 30-06 cases are
longer than my 7x57 cases.
Bill VH
Jaeger <altj...@webtv.net> writes:
Next time I'll look at the book rather than try to remember. But as Goldie
Hawn said, " I used to know that stuff."
Larry Caldwell
> Seen your questions you have/had. I am going to ask a friend on some of
> them. I know he knows them because I ask him some of the same.
> simular to a 30-06 round. I do my own reloading for my 30-06 and you learn
> alot. I will find out for sure what the
> 51 stands for I think I know but don't want to say until I know for sure.
> Until then, Mike
Other way around. The .308 is loaded to a higher pressure than the 7.62
NATO. In practice, I haven't seen a military action that wouldn't handle
the .308 just fine. Many millions of rounds of mil surp 7.62 ammo have
been run through .308 rifles with no ill effects. For reloading,
internal case dimensions are a bit different, which can cause problems
for the unwary.
Steven M. Sherman
Bill is correct. This difference is a technical headspace/chamber
cut issue. Also, the 7.62x51 NATO is spec'ed at a very slightly
higher chamber pressure.
Steve
Larry Caldwell
> Also, the 7.62x51 NATO is spec'ed at a very slightly
> higher chamber pressure.
The .308 is loaded to a substantially higher chamber pressure than the
7.62 NATO round, about 20% higher IIRC.
--
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Handywired
simular to a 30-06 round. >>
Whaaaat? Not true at all. you can shoot 7.62x51mm (AKA 7.62 NATO) in a .308
rifle. I used to do it all the time.
There ARE potential differences but they are rather subtle things, not at all
anything like "...7.62 is like a 30-06 round"...
I think the Fulton Armory websight has a good dissertation on the differences.
-jeff
Kevin D. Snodgrass
> << I do know that you can not use 7.62 ammo in a 308. Actually a 7.62 is more
> simular to a 30-06 round. >>
>
>
> rifle. I used to do it all the time.
>
> There ARE potential differences but they are rather subtle things, not at all
> anything like "...7.62 is like a 30-06 round"...
>
> I think the Fulton Armory websight has a good dissertation on the differences.
>
> -jeff
http://www.fulton-armory.com/308.htm
http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html