Re.44 Mag. (rifle) vs. 7.62 x 39mm Russian for Deer
Kevin Volz
>
> Which one would be better for hunting (whitetail) deer? Would it be the
> 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47)
> round?
>
> Andrew T. Still
It sort of depends on what the distances you'll be hunting at. If
your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go
with the .44 mag. If your hunting at longer than 150 yards, I
would go with the 7.62X39. The 7.62X39 has a better trajectory,
especially a longer ranges. Energy wise they are very close with
the big difference being the .44 mag being a big slow load and
the 7.62X39 being a lighter faster load, having a very slight
edge energy wise. The main reason I give the .44 mag a nod at
closer distances is, given the choice, I'll take a larger
diameter bullet over a smaller one with everything else being
almost equal.
Kevin Volz
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> > From: Putnam City North High School <pc...@webtv.net>
> >
> > Which one would be better for hunting (whitetail) deer? Would it be the
> > 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47)
> > round?
> >
> > Andrew T. Still
>
> It sort of depends on what the distances you'll be hunting at. If
> your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go
> with the .44 mag. If your hunting at longer than 150 yards, I
> would go with the 7.62X39. The 7.62X39 has a better trajectory,
> especially a longer ranges. Energy wise they are very close with
> the big difference being the .44 mag being a big slow load and
> the 7.62X39 being a lighter faster load, having a very slight
> edge energy wise. The main reason I give the .44 mag a nod at
> closer distances is, given the choice, I'll take a larger
> diameter bullet over a smaller one with everything else being
> almost equal.
>
> Kevin Volz
I disagree. I have a .44 mag and I also have a 7.62x39 Russian. Both are
equally bad for deer but if I had the choice of one I would alsways go for
the 7.62x39. It is a miconception that the .44mag is a good round for deer.
If you are hunting at less than 50 yds maybe but the energy and ballistics
drop off mighty fast over greater distances.
I hunt whitetail and wild boar. I recenty killed a boar with my .44 but it
was at 15yds. I stick with the .270, 06 or my 7mmRem Mag. Leave the
handgunning to the Thompson Contenders or Encores. Chuck
Kevin Volz
> > > 44 Rem. Mag. (in rifles only), or the Russian 7.62 x 39 mm (AK-47)
> > > round?
> > It sort of depends on what the distances you'll be hunting at. If
> > your hunting at distances with a max. of 150 yards, I would go
> > with the .44 mag.
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> I disagree. I have a .44 mag and I also have a 7.62x39 Russian. Both are
> equally bad for deer but if I had the choice of one I would alsways go for
> the 7.62x39. It is a miconception that the .44mag is a good round for deer.
> If you are hunting at less than 50 yds maybe but the energy and ballistics
> drop off mighty fast over greater distances.
>
> I hunt whitetail and wild boar. I recenty killed a boar with my .44 but it
> was at 15yds. I stick with the .270, 06 or my 7mmRem Mag. Leave the
> handgunning to the Thompson Contenders or Encores. Chuck
I think you missed one important point about this thread and that
being we are talking a .44 Mag round fired out of a rifle, not a
handgun. The longer barrel of a rifle does make a difference in
the performance of the round. I agree that over longer distances
I would go with the 7.62X39 being that's what I already said.
Ballisticly there isn't that much difference between the two out
to 100 yards but at 200 yards there is. That is why I limited the
.44 mag to 150 yards.
Yes, there are better rounds than these two for taking deer but
if the truth be known, a great many whitetails have been taken
with the .22 long rifle. Am I recommending it? No but it has been
done (still is by some) and both these rounds are much better
than the .22. Many areas are limited to using shotguns to take
deer and both these rounds are better than the conventional slug
for taking deer. The thing with any round is knowing the
limitations of the round and staying within that. Fact is most
hunters need to learn to stay within their own limitations. Going
with a more powerful round will never compensate poor shooting
skills.
As for your statement "Leave the handgunning to the Thompson
Contenders or Encores", go back and read my previous sentence. If
you stay within your limitations and that of the firearm your
using, there is nothing wrong with using a handgun other than a
Thompson Contender like revolvers in .44 mag or even .357 mag. I
have a buddy that has taken a couple of deer using a 9mm by
staying within the limitations he knows he can place a killing
shot.
Kevin Volz
James D. Rogers
The .44 Mag makes a great deer rifle for 100 yards and under. Dad gave me
one a few years ago and it hasn't disappointed me yet. Watch your bullet
choice, though. Most .44's are designed for pistol velocities. You'll get
about 400fps more from a carbine, so pick a heavily constructed bullet, not
a hollowpoint. I use Speer 240 grain soft points.
James D. Rogers
The .44 Mag makes a great deer rifle for 100 yards and under. Dad gave me
one a few years ago and it hasn't disappointed me yet. Watch your bullet
choice, though. Most .44's are designed for pistol velocities. You'll get
about 400fps more from a carbine, so pick a heavily constructed bullet, not
a hollowpoint. I use Speer 240 grain soft points.
James D. Rogers
2207 Meadowgreen Circle
Franktown, CO 80116
jim...@msn.com
303-688-0480
303-885-7410 Cell (Working hours and when coyote huntin'!)
Maui-...@webtv.net
30/30 too), and non of these guns are 150 yard guns, i'm talkin
experiance , not paper ballstics. Couple of my buddies also use 30/30,
and 7.62 x 39s, we hunt boar, big boar over 250 lbs. up to 400. I have
never in 24 years ever had to shoot a pig more than once using my Marlin
94 in 44 mag, or track a wounded pig, they all have dropped with one
shot. My buddies, who are at least as experianced as I in hunting boar,
have on several ocassions had to track and shot again pigs shot with
these other 2 rounds, even when shot placement was good. I feel the
Taylor knock down formula more acurately reflects true cartridge
perfornce than the run of the mill ballistics table. The TKO of the
44mag is much superior to both the 30/30 and the 7.62x39. Go with the
44 mag, it has never let me down.
coop
From: <Maui-...@webtv.net>
Newsgroups: rec.hunting
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Re.44 Mag. (rifle) vs. 7.62 x 39mm Russian for Deer
> I've owned and hunted with all 3 for over 24 years (if you include a
> 30/30 too), and non of these guns are 150 yard guns, i'm talkin
> experiance , not paper ballstics. Couple of my buddies also use 30/30,
> and 7.62 x 39s, we hunt boar, big boar over 250 lbs. up to 400. I have
> never in 24 years ever had to shoot a pig more than once using my Marlin
> 94 in 44 mag, or track a wounded pig, they all have dropped with one
> shot. My buddies, who are at least as experianced as I in hunting boar,
> have on several ocassions had to track and shot again pigs shot with
> these other 2 rounds, even when shot placement was good. I feel the
> Taylor knock down formula more acurately reflects true cartridge
> perfornce than the run of the mill ballistics table. The TKO of the
> 44mag is much superior to both the 30/30 and the 7.62x39. Go with the
> 44 mag, it has never let me down.
Where can one find the Taylor info?
coop
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