Hunting rules in Germany?
Rod LaHaise
>A German hunter I met told me that when a hunter shoots a deer in
>Germany, the tradition is that he puts a tree leaf in the deer's mouth as
>a last offering to the deer and that, after gutting the deer, he places a
>stick at the wound.
>This hunter also told me of several rules for sounding a horn to signal
>to fellow hunters.
>Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
>in a dead deer's mouth? And how about the stick on the wound? Is this
>normal procedure?
>Frank Warner
I never hunted while living in Germany but I spoke to quite a few hunters
at the local range and it seems that a large part of the German hunters
exam is tradition as well as biology, you need to know diseases that affect
the animals as well as the related symptoms.
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Leon K
From: waki...@ptd.net
Subject: Hunting rules in Germany?
A German hunter I met told me that when a hunter shoots a deer in
Germany, the tradition is that he puts a tree leaf in the deer's mouth
as
a last offering to the deer and that, after gutting the deer, he places
a
stick at the wound.
This hunter also told me of several rules for sounding a horn to signal
to fellow hunters.
Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
in a dead deer's mouth? And how about the stick on the wound? Is this
normal procedure?
Frank Warner>>
Frank,
I never actually hunted in Germany, but I lived on the Netherlands-Germany
border and knew a few local/German
hunters. I don't know how many German hunters you have reading this board,
so I'll try to answer.
What you described is definitely not a law, it's a tradition. Blowing a horn
is used since old good times to coordinate hunters and whoever might be
assisting on a
group hunt. E.g. hunters walking or riding horses to the line of shooting
and pushers are getting into position.
When they all ready they signal each other with horn and
jagermeister (kind of liquor ;-) gives a signal to start.
Re leafes - German hunters put an oak or conifer brunch in
animal's mouth, don't know about the wound. Oh,Actually they smear some
animal blood with second branch on hunters
forehead ;-) and might also give him a kick in the butt
with a fallen log - I'm not kidding. It probably all depends on given
hunters group creativity and amount of
Jagermeister consumed while waiting on shooting position.
I like they way they hunt in Europe, it differrent from NA.
Leon
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Per Hammer
none of these are official roules, but it is tradition to do so.
The point is to show your respect to the fine animal you have killed.
Per Hammer
Denmark
<waki...@ptd.net> wrote in message news:8p5sie$sml$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> A German hunter I met told me that when a hunter shoots a deer in
> Germany, the tradition is that he puts a tree leaf in the deer's mouth as
> a last offering to the deer and that, after gutting the deer, he places a
> stick at the wound.
>
> This hunter also told me of several rules for sounding a horn to signal
> to fellow hunters.
>
> Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
> in a dead deer's mouth? And how about the stick on the wound? Is this
> normal procedure?
>
> Frank Warner
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Helmut Mischo
That are difficult questions. Well, I try to give you an answer, and I hope
you can read this in spite of my bad english. To explain hunting in Germany, I
have to tell you somethimg about it.
In Germany, the "offical" hunting rules are made by the government. Over all
there is a federal law, the "Bundesjagdgesetz". In this law, the hunting game,
the hunting seasons, the role of the game wardens, the need for a working dog
in every little hunting area*, an so on, is described. For the different
states there are regional laws (Landesjagdgesetze), based on the federal law.
In this Landesjagdgesetz the typical game for this region of Germany is
described, and the seasons and the rules can change a little bit from federal
law, according to the typically situation in this state. This law is made by
the state government. To supervise and control the hunting in the different
areas of a state, there are regional departments, the "Untere Jagdbehörde".
These departments have to take care of fair and correct hunting in this areas.
For example: To ensure, that there will enough game left for the following
years but not to much game to eat all the forests, they give a plan to the
hunter, who "owns" a hunting area (Revierpächter) with the number of deers he
has to shot. Not only the number of deers, but also the sex and the age. This
number has to be shot in that year, not more or less. If you kill more deers,
you will be punished to pay a lot of money to the government, if you shot not
enough deers, the department will sent professional hunters, and you have to
pay for them.
* German hunters know to types of hunting areas: 1. Large forests, owned by
the state, and controled by the forest departments. To hunt in this areas you
can buy a license from the department (In my area it will costs about $55 for
14 days), and you have to pay for every game you have shot (from $ 50 for a
little female roe deer up to several thousands $ for an old male deer). Or you
can join one of the great guest hunts taking place one or two times a year
(and paying a lot of money, too).
The other type of a hunting area is privat owned land (privat persons, little
villages, farmland), and the hunting rights on this land are leased to a
hunter (Revierpächter) for 9 or 14 years. He will pay a lot of money every
year to the owner of the land. If you are a young hunter and/or you dont have
enough money to lease a hunting area, you can join a group of hunters to help
the Revierpächter with his work and to have the chance to hunt on his hunting
area.
To get a hunting license in Germany, you have to pass an examination. To be
able to pass this examinaton you have to join a hunter education course for
about one year. During this year, you will hear from hunting methods, hunting
dogs, game management, ecology, forest economie, game deseases, fair
hunting(Waidgerechtigkeit), hunting traditions an so on. (Finshed my studies
in mining engineering I have to say, the hunting examination was the most
difficult examination I have ever passed). This examination is an official
examination, supervised by the department. The teaching will be held by the
german hunters association, the "Deutscher Jagdschutz-Verband" DJV.
And now we came to the answers of your questions:
During your education, you will hear a lot about tradition. To give a last
offering to the deer by putting a tree leaf in his mouth is part of this
tradition. And practically it prevents from flys in the mouth of the deer.
To give an horn signal is part of the tradition, too. In the old times (I mean
the times without Walky Talkys) the hunters horn was the only way to manage a
large number of hunters in the fields and forests. Today, after finishing the
hunting day, all game will be presented in a special manner (lying on the
right side, with a branch in the mouth and another branch on the hit point,
lying in several lines beginning with the biggest game and then down to the
smaller game). And then, to honour the game there will be given a typical horn
signal for every kind of game. (By stalking you will give the signal for every
single deer).
These things are tradition, not law. But almost every hunter I know will do it
this way.
To put an stick in the woung has another reason. By law you have to take care
of bringing the meat of the game in the best conditions possible to the
consumer. To avoid perishing of meat, it is necessary to cool the whole body
down to 7 degree Celsius as sone as possible. And the first step to cool it
down is to open the carcass by putting a stick in it. If you have a large stag
or a big wild boar, you have to open the body even on more points.
I hope I could give you some answers.
Helmut Mischo
waki...@ptd.net schrieb:
Dick Fuehrer
>
> A German hunter I met told me that when a hunter shoots a deer in
> Germany, the tradition is that he puts a tree leaf in the deer's mouth as
> a last offering to the deer and that, after gutting the deer, he places a
> stick at the wound.
>
> This hunter also told me of several rules for sounding a horn to signal
> to fellow hunters.
>
> Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
> in a dead deer's mouth? And how about the stick on the wound? Is this
> normal procedure?
>
> Frank Warner
>
I don't think they are legalities, but traditions are strong and Europe
has many clubs with very traditional rules. Breaking them can get you
tossed.
Dick F.
Joakim Baeckstroem
> Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
> in a dead deer's mouth?
I don't know about Germany, but I guess it's the same tradition as
we have in Sweden. We give the deer a "last supper", by putting a
straw of grass or something similar in the deer's mouth once it's
killed. It's a way of showing your respect to the killed animal.
However, it's of course nothing we are required to do by law. It's
just a tradition, and it looks rather nice too.
/Joakim
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Bob
hunter on the land how many deer had been harvested for the day. They only
allow X number to be harvested...I believe it requires that exact number, no
more, no less...so we could keep track of the quaota between each other.
The game, at the end of the day, were all lined up in a row and each had a
stick in entrance hole of the bullet. I was puzzeld by this and was told it
was tradition. I stuck a stick in the bullet hole and asked no more
questions.
A friend stuck some grass in my deer's mouth and murmured something in
Deutsch that I did not understand. I looked at him funny and laughed...he
had no expression.
Ahh...this brings back some memories I have long forgotten. I think I'm
going to have to go back soon.
B
<waki...@ptd.net> wrote in message news:8p5sie$sml$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> A German hunter I met told me that when a hunter shoots a deer in
> Germany, the tradition is that he puts a tree leaf in the deer's mouth as
> a last offering to the deer and that, after gutting the deer, he places a
> stick at the wound.
>
> This hunter also told me of several rules for sounding a horn to signal
> to fellow hunters.
>
> Are these official rules in Germany? Are hunters required to put a leaf
> in a dead deer's mouth? And how about the stick on the wound? Is this
> normal procedure?
>
> Frank Warner
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
waki...@ptd.net
That's the most complete answer I ever received to a question. Thanks so
much. That is exactly what I wanted to know!
Frank
In article <39B8E9F7...@tu-clausthal.de>,
"Rec.hunting discussion list" <HUN...@LISTSERV.TAMU.EDU> wrote:
> To get a hunting license in Germany, you have to pass an examination. To be able to pass this examinaton you have to join a hunter education course for about one year. During this year, you will hear from hunting methods, hunting dogs, game management, ecology, forest economie, game deseases, fair hunting(Waidgerechtigkeit), hunting traditions an so on. (Finshed my studies in mining engineering I have to say, the hunting examination was the most difficult examination I have ever passed). This examination is an official examination, supervised by the department. The teaching will be held by the German hunters association, the "Deutscher Jagdschutz-Verband" DJV.
>
> And now we came to the answers of your questions:
>
> During your education, you will hear a lot about tradition. To give a last
> offering to the deer by putting a tree leaf in his mouth is part of this tradition. And practically it prevents from flys in the mouth of the deer. To give an horn signal is part of the tradition, too. In the old times (I mean the times without Walky Talkys) the hunters horn was the only way to manage a large number of hunters in the fields and forests. Today, after finishing the hunting day, all game will be presented in a special manner (lying on the right side, with a branch in the mouth and another branch on the hit point, lying in several lines beginning with the biggest game and then down to the smaller game). And then, to honour the game there will be given a typical horn signal for every kind of game. (By stalking you will give the signal for every single deer).
> These things are tradition, not law. But almost every hunter I know will do it this way.
>
> To put an stick in the woung has another reason. By law you have to take care of bringing the meat of the game in the best conditions possible to the consumer. To avoid perishing of meat, it is necessary to cool the whole body down to 7 degree Celsius as sone as possible. And the first step to cool it down is to open the carcass by putting a stick in it. If you have a large stag or a big wild boar, you have to open the body even on more points.
>
> I hope I could give you some answers.
>
> Helmut Mischo
altj...@webtv.net
Thank you for an excellent explanation of the German hunting system.
I lived and hunted in Germany for 6 years while in the military and was
a certified instructor. As you know our training as instructors was
only 40 hours and not nearly as intensive as what every German hunter
goes through.
I would like to go more in detail on three branches used and welcome any
correction or further explanation you feel necessary.
Letzer Bissen (last bite) is the branch placed in
the mouth as a symbolic last meal.
Inbesitznahmebruch (ownership branch) is the branch placed on the left
side (usually over the bullet hole) of an animal after it is lain on its
right side. In the case of a male the broken end of the branch is
pointed to the head. On a female it is pointed to the rear.
Schuetzenbruch (hunters branch) is usually dipped in the blood of the
animal and placed on a knife blade or hat by the guide or host and
presented to the hunter who wears it in the right side of his hat. If a
dog was used to help track a wounded animal the hunter in turn breaks a
piece of the branch of and presents it to the dog handler. The hander
in turn breaks of a piece and places it in the dogs collar.
Only trees that are native to Germany are used. These are usually
Oak/Eiche, alder/Erle, pine/Kiefer, fir/Tanne or spruce/Fichte.
Everything done is to add a touch of formality, respect to the game and
honor the German hunting heritage. Sometimes I think we would do well
to adopt some of those traditions.
Paul