375 H&H - stop a lion?
Keith Benoit
stop a lion during a charge at close range? Peter Capstick, in his
book LAST HORIZONS says about his 375 H&H: "I found it phenomenal on
lions, particularly at close range." John Taylor, in his famous book
"African Rifles and Cartridges," also claims the 375 H&H was a good lion
stopper. I was just thinking, Capstick's 375 H&H held five cartridges
plus one up the "spout"; John Taylor, from what I have read about him,
exaggerated a bitt about some of the things he had done. If Capstick
felt the need to have a 375 H&H that held FIVE cartridges, maybe the 375
isn't so tuff after all. So, can this cartridge stop a charge from a
lion? Maybe a heavier bullet, like a 416 Riby, would be better?
Later
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Alan Balson
Safari with Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. PB stopped a lion charge
with a single shot from a .45 handgun, sounds bizarre but true. This was in
Tanzania in the late 60's. A .375 is adequate to stop a lion if the round
is placed well.His advice to me on how to stop a charging lion was to get
down to lion level, unless you were in very tall grass. A 12 gauge shot gun
works well with a slug. He always preferred, when out with a client, to use
a weapon with at least 5 shots, though he did have a .470 double, he liked
the .458 with a magazine. When he hunted alone he only used his double.
Alan Balson
TG
enough to stop a lion in charge as long as your shot is well placed.
Lutz Möller
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> Will a 375 H&H Magnum turn a lion during a charge?
Well it depends where You hit. Shot placement is the key. See hunt
bullet selection on my homepage for details.
Lutz
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George Samaras
A .375H&H will terminate a charge IF the bullet is placed properly. The key
is staying cool while a 400+lb. lion determined to kill you is coming at you.
A well-placed shot from a .375 is better than a poorly-placed shot from a
.416.
If you think Taylor exaggerated, then you ought to know that Capstick was a
great story-teller; the only difference is that Capstick was relating OTHER
people's stories as if HE was the protagonist. He collected stories from PH's
and other safari veterans, and re-packaged them as his own. Entertaining, but
plagiarized.
As for five in the magazine and one "up the spout", that is the design of
his rifle (Griffin & Howe, Brno, and Darcy Echols make their .375s this way).
It's wise to carry lots of ammunition with you when hunting dangerous game;
buffalo, lions, elephants, etc., don't read ballistics tables or hunting rags,
so they don't know that a bullet from a .416 should kill them deader than one
SVanDis390
all depends on where you hit it.
The 375 will do the job but we have lots of clients who use 500/465 NE or 470
NE as well. although those are in double rifles.
Steven T. Van Dis
New York City, NY
Tgarth
acceleration is such that the difference between a 3, 4 or 5-shot
magazine repeater is totally academic! Lots of lions have been shot
with 7mm Mausers and 6.5 Mannlichers. A lot have also failed to be
turned by a badly placed .577 or .600 bullet. Hit it right first time
and it's an ex-pussycat.
NIC (THE SHOOTIST)
news:379202A4...@erols.com...
If you think Taylor exaggerated, then you ought to know that Capstick
was a
great story-teller; the only difference is that Capstick was relating OTHER
people's stories as if HE was the protagonist. He collected stories from
PH's
and other safari veterans, and re-packaged them as his own. Entertaining,
but
plagiarized.
And you base this statement on what FACTUAL information???
Soren LaForce
> Will a 375 H&H Magnum turn a lion during a charge? Can the 375 H&H
> stop a lion during a charge at close range? Peter Capstick, in his
> book LAST HORIZONS says about his 375 H&H: "I found it phenomenal on
> lions, particularly at close range." John Taylor, in his famous book
> "African Rifles and Cartridges," also claims the 375 H&H was a good lion
> stopper. I was just thinking, Capstick's 375 H&H held five cartridges
> plus one up the "spout"; John Taylor, from what I have read about him,
> exaggerated a bitt about some of the things he had done. If Capstick
> felt the need to have a 375 H&H that held FIVE cartridges, maybe the 375
> isn't so tuff after all. So, can this cartridge stop a charge from a
> lion? Maybe a heavier bullet, like a 416 Riby, would be better?
>
Perhaps Capstick just didn't have that many rifles.
The main advantage of a double rifle is two complete
and redundant sytems. I kind of doubt you could
get five aimed shots off against a charging lion anyway,
but if that's the rifle you have in .375, that the one
you shoot.
IIRC, he also used that rifle (Win mod 70, yes?) for
culling elephant. Nothing amiss with a few extra rounds
there. I also thought it was 5 *including* the chambered
round, but it's been a while since I read any of his books.
--Soren
Lutz Möller
>
> stopping a lion is like real estate...... location, location, location.......
> all depends on where you hit it.
I love the way You said: Shot placement is key to success!
Lutz
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