The BEST Hunting Cartridge?
"monte_rhoads_(by_way_of_alex_vitek_<alexvit@ix.netcom.com>)"
I'm solicting inputs on the best all around single cartridge for both
Elk and Deer hunting. I've looked at the ballastics for:
.270
.280
7mm
.30-.06
.308
Why wouldn't the .30-.06 be the cartridge of choice (assuming you're not
a reloader) since it's available in such a wide range of bullet weights
(5 for .30-.06 vs 3 for the .270/.308 vs 2 for the .280 at least from
Winchester)?
My other concern is recoil. I shoot from a wheelchair, and would rather
be left in the upright position after pulling the trigger! Because of
this I'm leaning (no pun intended) towards the .308
Any inputs?
PS.
We don't need to get into the .260 thread :)
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JLiebetrau
If you are not are reloader then the 30-06 is a good choice because of the
variety of bullet selection. As far as recoil is concerned, having a
muzzle
break on the gun will significantly reduce the recoil by approx. 40%.I
have
a 338-300 cal. with a brake on it and the recoil is similiar to a 30-06.
This
gun does not knock me around.
Cheryl Most
I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore. Other than
nostalgia, it is ballistically identical to the .308, is a longer
action, thus more clumsy, is not a "modern" cartridge, generally more
expensive to buy. Sure, there are more choices with the '06, but who
cares, you can get whatever you need for hunting deer and elk via the
.308. In addition, for recreational shooting, cheap 7.62x51 NATO (i.e.
.308) ammo is readily available on the surplus market for your plinking
pleasure. And you won't wind up on your back while shooting it.
Have fun.
"william_f._reeder_(by_way_of_alex_vitek
I did a lot of research on this too when I was purchasing my first gun
about one year ago. I settled on the .308 and really enjoy the gun. It
does however, have a pretty good punch. Because of that, I think you
should consider a 7mm-08. It has a lot less recoil, and is slightly more
accurate out around the 250 yard mark. From what I can tell, it is still
large enough for normal sized elk- in fact I have seen numerous photo's
of hunters with their trophies in magazines. The 7mm-08 is a favorite of
women hunters (because of recoil) and a favorite of siloutte shooters
(because of accuracy). I intend to get one myself one day. I do love
my Browning Eurobolt .308 and I have gotten less than one inch groups at
200 yards by loading my own. Let me know what you decide. willie
"hank_wessel_(by_way_of_alex_vitek_<alexvit@ix.netcom.com>)"
Cheryl Most wrote:
> I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore. Other than
> nostalgia, it is ballistically identical to the .308...
Not quite so. The .30-06 has a significant edge when it comes to
heavier bullets in the 180 - 220 gr range. Not relevant for all, but
important to those who want a whitetail gun they might occasionally
stretch for larger game. It's this edge in the upper range that leads
many to consider the .30-06 a better "all-around" choice than the .308.
JimDodd
Cheryl Most writes:
"I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore. Other than
action, thus more clumsy, is not a "modern" cartridge, generally more
expensive to buy."
The .308 is OK with bullets up to 180 grains, but the .30-'06 is far
superior with 180, 200 or 220 grain bullets. I would use the .308 for
target work, unless it was 1,000 yards. I used to shoot a .308 M-1 across
the hipower course, but liked my .30-06 match M-1 at 1,000 with the 190
grain bullet.
For deer hunting, the .308 is an excellent cartridge, especially with the
165 grain bullet. For the bigger critters, the old not modern '06 is the
way to go Either cartridge can be made into a light, handy rifle...jim
dodd
San Diego
ste...@universe.digex.net
>Cheryl Most <cm...@centuryinter.net> wrote:
>I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore. Other than
>nostalgia, it is ballistically identical to the .308, is a longer
>action, thus more clumsy, is not a "modern" cartridge, generally more
>cares, you can get whatever you need for hunting deer and elk via the
>.308. In addition, for recreational shooting, cheap 7.62x51 NATO (i.e.
>.308) ammo is readily available on the surplus market for your plinking
>pleasure. And you won't wind up on your back while shooting it.
Steve responds:
If you reload, I'm surprised that you cannot answer your own question!
If you do not reload, then you have no way of knowing the potential of the
advantages of the 30-06 over the .308Win. The .308Win is a fine cartridge,
within it's limitations. The 30-06, having a greater volume available for
the amount of powder that it can contain, is capable of much
higher energy/penetration at longer ranges. When one moves up to gunning
Moose, Elk, or great bears, this becomes critical. The .308Win. is a
marginal cartridge for the larger animals. I will concede that many such
animals have been taken with the .308Win., but given my druthers, I'd opt
for the additional penetration every time. I do not see any appreciable
difference in recoil, until I load heavy. Even the max loads in 30-06 are
far below the .300Win. Mag. in recoil potential.
Bottom line:Shoot whatever does it for you!
Steve Ashe
/E00680/cstevens/Carl Stevens
Cheryl Most (cm...@centuryinter.net) wrote:
A troll?
snip
: nostalgia, it is ballistically identical to the .308,
Not quite. Standard military load may be the same, but what the
.308 can do the '06, in most cases, can do just a bit better.
: is a longer action, thus more clumsy,
X squeze me, baking soda? I don't know where you learned to shoot
but the '06's action isn't any more clumsy in the hands of a competent
shooter than the .308, the .243, or even a .22 LR. (Ah, I think
I see the problem.)
:is not a "modern" cartridge,
It does have staying power, doesn't it.
snip
: .308) ammo is readily available on the surplus market for your plinking
: pleasure. And you won't wind up on your back while shooting it.
You can't find cheap surplys '06 ammo on the market? Look a little
harder it's there. Wind up on your back? I thought you said they
were balistically identical. Besides, if you are winding up on
your back.... Well, I'm not going to go there.
--
Carl Stevens "Nearly all men can stand adversity,
cste...@ladc.lockheed.com but if you want to test a man's character,
give him power." Abraham Loncoln (1809-1865)
mel sorg
JimDodd wrote:
>
> Cheryl Most writes:
> "I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore. Other than
> nostalgia, it is ballistically identical to the .308, is a longer
> action, thus more clumsy, is not a "modern" cartridge, generally more
> expensive to buy."
>
> superior with 180, 200 or 220 grain bullets. I would use the .308 for
> target work, unless it was 1,000 yards. I used to shoot a .308 M-1 across
> the hipower course, but liked my .30-06 match M-1 at 1,000 with the 190
> grain bullet.
>
> For deer hunting, the .308 is an excellent cartridge, especially with the
> 165 grain bullet. For the bigger critters, the old not modern '06 is the
> way to go Either cartridge can be made into a light, handy rifle...jim
> dodd
> San Diego
In addition, you're probably wrong when it comes to the .308 being a
cheaper cartridge than the .30-06. That may be true if you handload,
since you can get similar, but not identical ballistics with less
powder.
In this part of the country the two cartridges that you can count on
finding at the lowest cost around hunting season are the .30-30, and the
.30-06. Federal Classic ammo in 24 round hunter boxes go for .$7.99 to
$9.99, less than what they charge for 20 round boxes of .308, and other
brands follow the same pattern.
Part of this may be due to the fact that the shops around here sell
far more .30-30, .30-06 and .270 than any other cartridge around, much
of the .30-06 for Remington semi-autos and pump guns, and Browning
semi-autos, and a ton of old sporterized springfields, enfields, and
newer bolt actions. I don't think that the guys shooting them worry
much about being "modern", and it hasn't bothered me whenever I've
picked up my Ruger No. 1 single shot .30-06 either :)
madpoet
JimDodd
Willie wrote (in part):
" I do love my Browning Eurobolt .308 and I have gotten less than one inch
groups at 200 yards by loading my own."
I get groups under 1" at 200 yards with all of my rifles, but I have to
shoot one shot groups to do it...jim dodd
San Diego
Glockist
Monte Rhoads (by way of Alex Vitek <ale...@ix.netcom.com>)
<monte_...@ccm2.hf.intel.com> wrote in article
<3.0.32.19970116...@popd.ix.netcom.com>...
> I'm solicting inputs on the best all around single cartridge for both
> Elk and Deer hunting. I've looked at the ballastics for:
>
> .270
> .280
> 7mm
> .30-.06
> .308
>
Browning BAR with a BOSS. Less recoil than an 8 lb. .270 and verrrry
accurate.
>
"mike_w_knifong_(by_way_of_alex_vitek_<alexvit@ix.netcom.com>)"
Rec.hunting,
Here we go again.....
There is no BEST all round cartridge for deer/elk.
Each cartridge excells in a little differant area.
The .308 and 7mm-08 in short actions are lighter and handier.
They also require less powder per FPS as their big brothers.
They recoil less, due in part because they are moving slower.
These are short action cartridges and don't require long barrels to
reach full speed and as a result don't weigh as much either.
Great med.(200yrd) range cartridges for deer but lack the energy for
reliable kills on elk at anything but the closest ranges.
Because of weight and recoil characteristics these make good youth/
beginner cartridges.
The .270 and .280 are almost twins. With the ballistic edge going to the
140gr .270win. Although the .280 throws the 150-160gr bullets faster.
I also like the .284win for this catagory especially in short action guise.
All three are capable of 300yrd Maximum Point Blank Range sightings.
I consider these long range (300yrd) deer and med. range elk cartridges.
These will also give reliable kills on elk out to a couple hundred yards
but to vitals only.
The .30-06 is the standard. Ammo is cheap. Used guns plentiful.
Hits harder than all those mentioned so far. But it recoils a little
more and isn't quite as flat shooting as the .270/.280.
I consider this a med. range deer and elk cartridge due to ballistics.
Shot placement on elk is not as critical, shoulder shots are ok
with the 180-200gr bullets.
The 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag will throw bullets 300yrds with
plenty of energy to spare. But they kick harder and ammo costs more.
These guns require long actions and longer barrels and as a result
are heavier. These are what I consider long range elk cartridges but
I wouldn't recommend trying to bust a shoulder at 300yrds.
These are NOT good beginner cartridges, as they can develop bad
flinching habits.
Pick your application, then pick your cartridge.
None are BETTER than the others, just differant.
Mike in Oregon
Mike.W....@tek.com
g4...@aol.com
In article <3.0.32.19970129...@popd.ix.netcom.com>, "Mike W
Knifong (by way of Alex Vitek <ale...@ix.netcom.com>)" writes:
>Here we go again.....
The one that hits you quarry exactly where its meant to and did the job
exactly as it was meant to. :-)
Ben Spencer
J.Kevin Earp
Cheryl Most wrote:
>
> I can't see why anyone would want the .30-06 anymore.
Maybe for the same reason I use a .30-.30. It's what I happen to
own. Plus, I just happen to like it.
> pleasure. And you won't wind up on your back while shooting it.
>
> Have fun.
??? This brings up something I was wondering about. I'm actually
more familiar with handguns, but I do like my Marlin .30-.30 lever
action. It kicks a bit but nothing serious. Is a .30-.06 really
that much more of a shoulder cruncher?
-Kevin Earp
Texas4x4
i happen to own a 1903a3 springfield in 30-06...i use this rifle every
year..it consistantly shoots 1" groups a 100 yards... i have no problem
with recoil
James