FIELD: Pigeon egg mortality
Covey Ridge
Stu West wrote:
#
# We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another 3,000.
# Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and supplement
# with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with ivomec to
# cover all insects.
#
# The bewst source of knowledge I've found is Clair Hetlands book: "Pigeons for
# Fun and Profit" $6 at 612-537-4242. Couldn't get along without it. Get their
# catalog also./ One stop shopping for pigeons stuff. And feed their grit
# additive on top of oyster shells.
#
# I do get a viral disease in the winter that Clair tells me I could vaccinate
# for, but I'm raising shooters not racers...
Thanks Stu:
I contacted Clair. He though that I should try a product called
emtryl(sp). Not available in the USA but available here. I thought that
I had eliminated Kanker or Canker (sp) because I saw no flem in the
throat, but he says that there is a type that settles in the innards. I
ordered his books as well.
A local pigeon fancier suggested that I try tetracycline. He suggested
that I might have a problem caused by excessive floor dust and mouse
droppings. If young birds respiratory system becomes infected, mom and
dad will just stop feeding them?
ED
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Ed--
glad Clair could help. I use him at every turn. He's been more accurate than my
avian vet!!
Stu
Covey Ridge wrote:
# Stu West wrote:
# >
# > We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another 3,000.
# > Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and supplement
# > with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with ivomec to
# > cover all insects.
# >
# > The bewst source of knowledge I've found is Clair Hetlands book: "Pigeons for
# > Fun and Profit" $6 at 612-537-4242. Couldn't get along without it. Get their
# > catalog also./ One stop shopping for pigeons stuff. And feed their grit
# > additive on top of oyster shells.
# >
# > I do get a viral disease in the winter that Clair tells me I could vaccinate
# > for, but I'm raising shooters not racers...
#
# Thanks Stu:
#
# I contacted Clair. He though that I should try a product called
# emtryl(sp). Not available in the USA but available here. I thought that
# I had eliminated Kanker or Canker (sp) because I saw no flem in the
# throat, but he says that there is a type that settles in the innards. I
# ordered his books as well.
#
# A local pigeon fancier suggested that I try tetracycline. He suggested
# that I might have a problem caused by excessive floor dust and mouse
# droppings. If young birds respiratory system becomes infected, mom and
# dad will just stop feeding them?
# ED
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Alma Bottom Pointing Labradors
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Elmwood, WI, USA
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The Canter family
Allen:
I just read thru the thread for your posting. Lots of good ideas and
advice. I would suggest that you switch to some real pigeon feed while
you attempt to raise youngsters. Lots of good mixes available. I would
go for a "B" mix with whole corn. You can mix that 50-50 with whole
barley in the non-breeding season to save $. Make them finish what is
in their feeder before adding new. I've been raising (and racing)
pigeons a long time and have never had one starve while there was feed
in the bowl. Make sure that a good quality pigeon grit is available
free choice at all times separate from their feed.
Make sure the nesting birds have access to a shallow bath pan every four
or five days. This is especially important in low humidity areas. If
you just have one pair, there is a good chance that one of your birds
are infertile. You can check 7 day eggs by holding them up to the sun.
A freshly layed egg will kind of glow. A fertile egg will turn "dark"
and not pass any light. Good eggs will hatch 18 days after the second
one is layed. If there are some pigeon guys around your area you could
just get a couple of freshly lain eggs and switch them under your birds
if you think fertility is the problem. Try and get eggs that are within
three or four days age of the ones you are tossing. Another thing you
could do is ask around for some young (30 day old) "late hatches". This
time of year a lot of the racers have raised all the young birds they
want for this season and are willing to give away some extras that they
will just have to eliminate anyway. They feel better about it if they
know you're not getting into the racing business and will be in
competition with them next year. These birds will settle into your loft
as if they were born there and work quite nicely for training.
Good Luck,
Steve and Ayla Alya is a 2 year old CBR who doesn't really care THAT
much for pigeons but....they're something to do until OCT.
Stu West
Steve--
Thanks for all the good advice!!
I'll put it to use inmyloft starting today!!
Stu
The Canter family wrote:
# Allen:
# I just read thru the thread for your posting. Lots of good ideas and
# advice. I would suggest that you switch to some real pigeon feed while
# you attempt to raise youngsters. Lots of good mixes available. I would
# go for a "B" mix with whole corn. You can mix that 50-50 with whole
# barley in the non-breeding season to save $. Make them finish what is
# in their feeder before adding new. I've been raising (and racing)
# pigeons a long time and have never had one starve while there was feed
# in the bowl. Make sure that a good quality pigeon grit is available
# free choice at all times separate from their feed.
#
# Make sure the nesting birds have access to a shallow bath pan every four
# or five days. This is especially important in low humidity areas. If
# you just have one pair, there is a good chance that one of your birds
# are infertile. You can check 7 day eggs by holding them up to the sun.
# A freshly layed egg will kind of glow. A fertile egg will turn "dark"
# and not pass any light. Good eggs will hatch 18 days after the second
# one is layed. If there are some pigeon guys around your area you could
# just get a couple of freshly lain eggs and switch them under your birds
# if you think fertility is the problem. Try and get eggs that are within
# three or four days age of the ones you are tossing. Another thing you
# could do is ask around for some young (30 day old) "late hatches". This
# time of year a lot of the racers have raised all the young birds they
# want for this season and are willing to give away some extras that they
# will just have to eliminate anyway. They feel better about it if they
# know you're not getting into the racing business and will be in
# competition with them next year. These birds will settle into your loft
# as if they were born there and work quite nicely for training.
#
# Good Luck,
#
# Steve and Ayla Alya is a 2 year old CBR who doesn't really care THAT
# much for pigeons but....they're something to do until OCT.
#
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Alma Bottom Pointing Labradors
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Elmwood, WI, USA
(715) 639-3900
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Will Bilozir
# Stu West wrote:
# >
# > We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another
3,000.
# > Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and
supplement
# > with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with
ivomec to
# > cover all insects.
Stu, does the ivomec eliminate lice and internal parasites in pigeons? I
have used piprozine 52 in the water but I have never tried ivomec.
Do you use the injectable? How frequently? How much per gallon?
Thanks
Shannon
Shannon Ford and Will Bilozir
Griffonpoint - Dedicated to the Wire-Haired Pointing Griffon
Box 22 Site 11 RR#1
DeWinton, Alberta Phone/Fax: 403-938-6066
Canada T0L 0X0 mailto:bilo...@cadvision.com
http://www.cadvision.com/highwoods/griffonpoint-main.htm
Stu West
The ivomec is a little bit broader an insecticide and has a higher safety
margin (although BOTH are very safe) I use the injectable admiistered orally
thru the water fountain. I don't tfhave the dilution handy but the ivomec
sheep drench (.08% solution) was 20T/5 gal h2o. Remembe rto keep the collies
away from it!!
stu
Will Bilozir wrote:
# > Stu West wrote:
# > >
# > > We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another
# 3,000.
# > > Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and
# supplement
# > > with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with
# ivomec to
# > > cover all insects.
#
# Stu, does the ivomec eliminate lice and internal parasites in pigeons? I
# have used piprozine 52 in the water but I have never tried ivomec.
#
# Do you use the injectable? How frequently? How much per gallon?
#
# Thanks
#
# Shannon
#
# Shannon Ford and Will Bilozir
# Griffonpoint - Dedicated to the Wire-Haired Pointing Griffon
# Box 22 Site 11 RR#1
# DeWinton, Alberta Phone/Fax: 403-938-6066
# Canada T0L 0X0 mailto:bilo...@cadvision.com
# http://www.cadvision.com/highwoods/griffonpoint-main.htm
#
# --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Alma Bottom Pointing Labradors
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Elmwood, WI, USA
(715) 639-3900
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MailTo:SW...@AlmaBottom.com
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Stu West
Ed--
glad Clair could help. I use him at every turn. He's been more accurate than
my
avian vet!!
Stu
Covey Ridge wrote:
# Stu West wrote:
# >
# > We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another 3,000.
# > Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and
supplement
# > with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with ivomec
to
# > cover all insects.
# >
# > The bewst source of knowledge I've found is Clair Hetlands book: "Pigeons
for
# > Fun and Profit" $6 at 612-537-4242. Couldn't get along without it. Get
their
# > catalog also./ One stop shopping for pigeons stuff. And feed their grit
# > additive on top of oyster shells.
# >
# > I do get a viral disease in the winter that Clair tells me I could
vaccinate
# > for, but I'm raising shooters not racers...
#
# Thanks Stu:
#
# I contacted Clair. He though that I should try a product called
# emtryl(sp). Not available in the USA but available here. I thought that
# I had eliminated Kanker or Canker (sp) because I saw no flem in the
# throat, but he says that there is a type that settles in the innards. I
# ordered his books as well.
#
# A local pigeon fancier suggested that I try tetracycline. He suggested
# that I might have a problem caused by excessive floor dust and mouse
# droppings. If young birds respiratory system becomes infected, mom and
# dad will just stop feeding them?
# ED
Stu West
The ivomec is a little bit broader an insecticide and has a higher safety
margin (although BOTH are very safe) I use the injectable admiistered orally
thru the water fountain. I don't tfhave the dilution handy but the ivomec
sheep drench (.08% solution) was 20T/5 gal h2o. Remembe rto keep the collies
away from it!!
stu
Will Bilozir wrote:
# > Stu West wrote:
# > >
# > > We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another
# 3,000.
# > > Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and
# supplement
# > > with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with
# ivomec to
# > > cover all insects.
#
# Stu, does the ivomec eliminate lice and internal parasites in pigeons? I
# have used piprozine 52 in the water but I have never tried ivomec.
#
# Do you use the injectable? How frequently? How much per gallon?
#
# Thanks
#
# Shannon
#
# Shannon Ford and Will Bilozir
# Griffonpoint - Dedicated to the Wire-Haired Pointing Griffon
# Box 22 Site 11 RR#1
# DeWinton, Alberta Phone/Fax: 403-938-6066
# Canada T0L 0X0 mailto:bilo...@cadvision.com
# http://www.cadvision.com/highwoods/griffonpoint-main.htm
Stu West
We raise about 2-3,000 pigeons here per season and trap/keep another 3,000.
Simpler is better. We feed whole corn (not cracked) as our base and supplement
with an albon-medicated started-bird feed. We treat the water with ivomec to
cover all insects.
The bewst source of knowledge I've found is Clair Hetlands book: "Pigeons for
Fun and Profit" $6 at 612-537-4242. Couldn't get along without it. Get their
catalog also./ One stop shopping for pigeons stuff. And feed their grit
additive on top of oyster shells.
I do get a viral disease in the winter that Clair tells me I could vaccinate
for, but I'm raising shooters not racers...
jmurr wrote:
# Allen and Ed wrote:
#
# >>I am attempting to start some homers for use in dog training. My parent
# homers have laid two rounds of eggs since early April. In both cases,
# the birds set on the eggs for about 3 weeks, then roll them out of the
# nest and reject them. I am feeding them a wild gamebird pelleted feed.
# It is fairly low in fat, and I am thinking that perhaps the low fat
# content is a contributor to the mortaliy. Anyone with suggestions on
# other possible causes please post. Thanks!
#
# Allen Fazenbaker
# deene...@hotmail.com
#
# I have six pairs of homers and 2 pairs of wild pigeons. I have had no
# problem with the wild birds, but recently I have started to notice that
# some young homers are not doing as well. They appear to do well up until
# about three to four weeks of age and then some seem to just stop gaining
# body weight and seem to get weak. They progress to where they have
# difficulty walking up right and when I check there is very little food
# in their crop. When examined I notice a clicking sound when they breath,
# so I think that it may be respiratory. I have never seen one bounce back
# and recover, so I usually euthanize when the condition sets in. Any
# thoughts would be appreciated.
# ED
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# Ed and Sonya Stang
# High River, Alberta
# Canada<<<
#
# I never had the trouble Allen mentions, but wouldn't be surprised if a
# change of food helps. Pigeons like corn - whole popcorn is good. A
# commercial pigeon feed is probably the most cost effective.
#
# As for Ed's problem - I had the identical problem summer before last (last
# summer the birds didn't even lay the first egg). I believe it was caused
# by one of the diseases indemic to pigeons carried by the parents but not
# debilitating to them. I started medicating the water with Albon, but by
# then it was too late in the season. The next summer new, non homer, birds
# were introduced to the flock; but no breeding took place at all. A friend,
# who had once raised homers suggested my loft was not exposed to enough sun
# and was too wet. Weasels solved my problems this past winter by killing
# all the birds. I do not plan to reuse the loft for any bird of any kind
# until I can clean it and fumigate it.
#
# I am away from home now, when I return I will try and get some references
# together for you unless someone beats me to it. There are a couple of
# people sometimes on the list with extensive pigeon experience.
#
# Jere Murray
#
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